BS: War with Canada?

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:18 PM

Yeah, Ebbie, it's a two-bit, depressing little place a way down the road from Sudbury. Sudbury is a much larger, but similarly depressing place, although they've cleaned it up some...it used to look like the surface of the moon would after a major war (it's a mining town).

Shane (BDiBR) is one of Blind River's most articulate young fellas, and he surfs the Net between 6-packs. He is God's gift to stupid people everywhere...

Mind you, his patriotism is really quite touching, isn't it? I feel safer at night knowing that guys like Shane are out there holding the fort against all comers. :-)

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 07:58 PM

Whoa... Had I realized Blind River is in *Canada* I would've watched my tongue. I'm shakin' in zee boots.

Ebbie

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 01:52 PM

EBbie = Hey, dom't gtet sarcastic with us Canadidans, eh? We don't like have to like bend over and take your abouse eh! We run a tight ship up here and we don[t need no flippin sarcasm from readneck yanks neether! Your beer sucks majorly! Your hockey players are all from Timmins and Trois-Riveriere (or however the flip ya spell it). We got Don Cherry too, eh, and his dog, eh, and they can whup yer little ice right off the ice, eh? We got Tim Hortons donut shops on every corner, and you loosers just got lousy old Dunkin Donuts! We got Export and Canadian and you don't! We are the best!!!

You guys, you thibnk yu gotta have 2 hbillioin nucular bombs and B52's to be safe...ya know what we have in Canada? A couple truckloads of old rifles, 3 old destroyers and a squad of mounties. That's all we NEED to feel safe, man! Cos we kick butt. NOOOObody messes with Canada, flipface! You can flippin quote me on that, loser!!!

You wnat a war, just come to Blind River. Any time.

BDiBR

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 10:51 PM

A war with Mexico is more to my liking.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 12:40 AM

Aw, why does everyone want to ditch Duluth? I'd give them everything west of St.Cloud and south of downtown Mpls. And Wisconsin. All of it. But, dammit, I like Duluth! :o

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: SDShad
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 12:30 AM

Okay, Mousethief, they can have Duluth, but we keep the North Shore, dammit!

Shad

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 12:06 AM

TRADE WAR? WITH CANADA?

The United States recently increased a 19% tariff and penalties to 31.88% on imported Canadian softwood lumber. The U.S. wants to further increase this penalty. British Columbia residences propose retaliation by adding a 300% export tariff on Softwood lumber heading into the United States. Other proposals put forward to the Province of B.C. which controls B.C. Hydro is to limit or cut off Natural Gas and Hydroelectricity power to the U.S., which is expected to cause long term rolling blackouts down the entire west coast of the United States. Oil rich Alberta also affected by the softwood lumber penalties could join British Columbia to cease selling Oil to the U.S., as gasoline prices in U.S. would be expected to jump above $5.00 U.S. per gallon. Suffering U.S. airline industry would be expected to collapse, as jet fuel costs could double ticket prices. The domino effect on the U.S. economy would result in the worst economic collapse since the Depression.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 04:30 AM

The Canadian dollar is becoming worthless. No need for war they can buy the country, all except for Quebec which is best left to worthless froggs.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 07:03 AM

I'm a bit late coming into this thread, and from my more detached Australian viewpoint, I'd just like to clear up a small detail.

Wasn't the British-American war from 1776-1783 the American Revolution, and the war from 1812-1814 called the War of 1812 or the American War of Independence?

And if you really want some good stuff about the Canucks doing over the Yanks, look up the Stan Rogers website, and read the background for songs like "The Nancy," "McDonell on the Heights" and "Billy Green."

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 04:21 AM

Interesting to read the references to 1066 in the thread. The misconception that Britain has successfully defended against invasion since that date seems to be widely held. Britain has been invaded nine times since 1066, the last time being 1688.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 04:51 AM

Owlkat, I take a bit of exception to your all-encompassing rant. Among other things, you seem to be using a double standard of measurement. On the one hand, you present yourselves as the hapless, helpless victims of U.S. greed and aggression, and you ask us to stop. So, are you saying that you, as an individual, are unhappy with what we, as individuals, are doing? Or are we individuals somehow responsible for governmental policies? If U.S. citizens are responsible for what the U.S. is doing to Canada, why aren't Canadian citizens (subjects, citizens, whatever) responsible for what Canada is doing?

You say that the U.S. is competing unfairly with Canada because our products are privately owned and "the prices are jacked up." What?

Incidentally, you say, BC Hydro has been piping electricity to California for months to help out with the power shortage and hasn't recieved a dime for it yet. If BC Hydro/Canada are worried about payment for the electricity, why in the world are they continuing to send it?

And don't forget that it is *Canada*, not the U.S. or Alaska, that wants to route the projected Alaska gasline (not oil, if we are thinking about the same event) across Canada. My guess is that Canada anticipates a bit of profit in that transaction.

I'm sure you are smart enough to know and accept that each country every where whines and grubs for advantage, that each of them consider themselves in danger of being harmed. The U.S. is no different from Canada in that.

"You people have no idea what it's like on this side of the line, watching successive governments posting FOR RENT signs on our foreheads, watching our culture (such as it is) being McDonaldized, watching our health care systems being privatized to follow the American model, seeing our publishing industry weakened to the point that our school textbooks are being printed in New Jersey, watching the processess of our national elections being pulled down in the American muckraking style of mudslinging, and even seeing the spelling of the language we use being altered to fit the American model." You poor, poor things.

Ebbie

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Lucius
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 12:12 AM

Canada invade the U.S.? Not all bad, I wouldn't mind some progressive gun laws on the books, and a little less jingoism. But with my luck, they'd invade New Hampshire and make us part of Quebec.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 11:17 PM

Interesting.... God spelled the continents with CAPITOL letters and chose to relegate "canada" to lower case letters.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: GUEST,Canada
Date: 05 Apr 02 - 11:29 PM

One time the Lord disappeared for seven days and seven nights,when he returned the angel michael asked him where he went.The Lord replied I was making a new planet called Earth,Imade a country called Africa for people with dark skin so they can stand the heat,then I made Asia for people with lighter skin,then I made Europe for white people.Then I made this Large beautiful country full of rivers and steams,and forests where people will be able to live in peace and prosperity for all time,I call it canada.The angel Michael asked why did these people deserve such a great place,to which the Lord replied just wait until they see the loud mouth braggards like that large lump of shit Matt R that I put to the south of them.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Beer
Date: 05 Apr 02 - 11:00 PM

I live in an area called "The Chateauguy Valley" which is located in Quebec,Canada. During the war of 1812 the Americans were pushed back and Quebec was saved by the the farmers and the help of the British. On my lawn I have a granet rock about 3 feet in diameter which has carved into it "U.S.A.". Quite often I look at it and wonder if my American friend ever made it home.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 02 - 05:41 PM

A top Canadian official said: The Kyoto agreement to fight global warming is not dead and Canada still intends to meet its environmental commitments, despite the withdrawal of White House support for the international accord. We're going to discuss with them what those reservations are, and we'll try to overcome them." Canada is now pumping out 13 percent more greenhouse gases than in 1990, but Fauteux iterated the nation's commitment to meeting its target of a 6 percent reduction below 1990. April 3rd, Prime Minister Jean Chretien called on the United States to stick with the Kyoto accord to combat global warming, and iterated Canada's intention to honor its commitment to cut greenhouse gases. Jean Chretien is worried by what he sees as a confrontational and isolationist tone by the new U.S. administration and is getting ready to adopt a harder line with Washington if necessary.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: bob schwarer
Date: 05 Apr 02 - 10:09 AM

Plus gators, skeeters, Palmetto bugs (roaches), fire ants,and coral snakes. Maybe I'll leave too. There's a song somewhere about damn Winnabagos from Michigan. Happy sight is a Michigan car heading North.

It's about that time so I guess I'll head for the interstate and cheer. Need to get there early and get a good seat.

Bob S.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Apr 02 - 12:59 AM

Look, Bob S....three quarters of the most annoying jerks in Canada go to Florida every winter, and leave the rest of us Canucks in relative peace here. Please do not suggest making them stay home! That's all we need.

With any luck, the snowbirds will like Florida so much that they will never come back...(hasn't worked yet, but I've got my fingers crossed...maybe if you put in more drive-in urinals or something).

Face it, Bob, anyone who likes Florida, with its astounding crime rate, its unhealthy humidity, and its tacky T-shirts and hanging chads has gotta be a couple short of a 6-pack anyway. Those snowbirds are nuts, and you can have 'em.

(*just joking, okay?)

- LH (in Ontario, Canada)

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 04 Apr 02 - 07:50 PM

Uh, holy crap, it's mousethief! Welcome back. :)

Oh, yeah: Duluth?! They can have Duluth, if they can pry it from my cold, dead, vacation!

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: bob schwarer
Date: 04 Apr 02 - 03:00 PM

Maybe Canada will keep their tourists at home. Oh joy.

Bob S in Florida. Ontario plates to the right of me. Ontario plates to the left of me. HELP

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: mousethief
Date: 04 Apr 02 - 09:59 AM

They can have Duluth, too.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Rolfyboy6
Date: 04 Apr 02 - 07:34 AM

Proof. Canadian Imperialism

Beware the bland bomb. It is clever that the US is reducing the ozone layer so that invading Canadian forces will be struck with skin cancer. Nevertheless, I think we should surrender now and give them North Dakota. So what if they rename it South Manitoba?

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Apr 02 - 05:40 AM

So start a new thread... this one is dead.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: GUEST,fe
Date: 04 Apr 02 - 05:38 AM

We have obviously become involved in trade war.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: JedMarum
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:49 PM

The War with Canada has already started, and Dallas won the first major battle last night; 2-1 in OT on a goal by Jamie Langenbrunner. Great battle for a Dallas fan - but the Oilers look strong.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: kendall
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 06:46 AM

Owlkat, some of us know exactly what you are talking about. We have an old saying here, "Money makes the mare go." Sad, but, true.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: RichM
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 03:36 AM

Best comment in this thread?

Art Thieme's:

"A man will die for an idea---providing that idea isn't quite clear to him."

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Owlkat
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:01 AM

Hi, War with Canada is hardly a question. We're already at war. PEI potatoes have been totally unfairly declared unfit for the US market, which is going a long way to destroying the economy of an entire province. This is nothing more than a malicious trade sanction. Our higher quality softwood lumber exports are being pummeled and penalized, because all yours are privately owned and the prices are jacked up. NAFTA has trashed our magazine and film industries. It also is being used as a lever to pave the way for guaranteed fresh water exports from Canada whether we want to or not. BC Hydro has been piping electricity to California for months to help out with the power shortage and hasn't recieved a dime for it yet. You want to drill out the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and destroy the calving grounds of the caribou herd that feeds and supports a good portion of the indigenous population of the Yukon Territory (Yes, it's in Canada) for a mere SIX MONTH supply of oil. There's an American oil pipeline being planned for the North West Territory that goes from Alaska under the ice in the Beaufort Sea to Inuvik. A blowout in this underwater pipe (they all have blowouts sooner or later) would wipe marine life for thousands of square kilometres.
Every time we try to defend our sovereignty in any way, some congressman stands up on his hind legs, and bellows in elephantine rage that we taking unfair advantage of trade with a country with ten times the population, and a history of nuclear bomb use. It is with no small amount of chagrin that I watch our Prime Minister kiss yankee butt and beg for a north american dollar, and yet more American imperialism, while we get kicked in the head. By the time the US has finished draining Canada of all its resources, there would be no point for a war since there'd be nothing left worth taking.
You people have no idea what it's like on this side of the line, watching successive governments posting FOR RENT signs on our foreheads, watching our culture (such as it is) being McDonaldized, watching our health care systems being privatized to follow the American model, seeing our publishing industry weakened to the point that our school textbooks are being printed in New Jersey, watching the processess of our national elections being pulled down in the American muckraking style of mudslinging, and even seeing the spelling of the language we use being altered to fit the American model.
You may talk about war with Canada as if it were some amusing little sidebar to the end of the 11:00 news. Well, some of us up here don't see it that way. There's a world out there that has a myriad of histories, languages, economies, and cultures that have nothing to do with the US. Canadians are part of that world. We don't want to be sucked up and spat out by anyone. If we are at war, and I think trade wars can be no more condoned than the ones where you drop napalm and agent orange on someone else's kids, then on my behalf and that of my family, I'd like to ask you to please stop. If there are those reading this who have no idea where I'm coming from, figure it out. Just like the whos in Dr. Suess's book(yes, I know it's American, but hey, it IS Dr.Suess), we are here, we are here, we are heeeeeeeeeeere...SPLAT. Fuming
Owl.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: ollaimh
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 09:47 PM

ya know we in canada did make an unusually large contribution to the second worls war effort.in fact one of five invasion beaches on d day was fully canadian--juno i think. for a nation of about ten million it was a major effort. we did make a lot of money off the war though--it wasn'tall altruism.

and although the prevailing sentiment among anglo canadians is tobe a bit anti american, the frencj scotts and irish--most of canada from the ottawa valley east is actuallu more often pro american.it may sound hookey,but for gaelic people who were ethnically cleanses from the celtic isles america has always been the land of liberty.we may not have benn first class all the time but people in america gave those of us whosurrived the crossing a fair shake.most gaelic eastern canadian have many american relatives as well and strong culturallinks with new england. now we franco/gaels are not well represented in the news media so that opinion doesn'talways get across.

from my personal experience americans are musc nicer tostrangers than anglocanadians. several decades ago i was traveling broke across the us tolook for work out in alberta(we used to call foert mcmurry fort mcmoney back east), and we croke down in an ols van with seven obviously poor guys out in minnesota near the dakotas.

we rather glummly began walking as we had nomoney to fix the thing and at the first truck stop we had a coffey and contemplated what looked like a realbad month or two and we told a waitress oursob story and a few minutes later some stranger came upand asked us about the tale then another and another and in a few hours they towed our van to the local garage, repaired it and gave us enough money to finish the trip. now i've broken down in canada too and nothiing like that has ever happened tome unless it was in the maritimes. i've never forgatten what nice people they were. and we must have looked like death warmed over. we hadn't eaten a decent mealin weeks and we all had long hair and beard and a few guitars. so i like americans.

i just don'tunderstand why they vote for such wierd politicians--but what the hell it's their country .

as to why do english women like american men.well when i was over there they seemed rather fond of canadian men too.i have a theory.i found english women to be sweet as the day is long,but english men to be rather means and far too ften violent.american and canadian men are more well healed by our more aggressive women and when the two meet the english women love being pampered and the american and canadian men love the sweet temperment of so many english women--they always seem to want to do something nice for you.

that ought to get me into more trouble

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 04:59 PM

The earlier point (and a comon one) was that England and later Britain hasn't been SUCCESSFULLY invaded since 1066. 1066 was a war that England lost to the point that the government was over-thrown. after that (with the exception of civil war) England and Britain have never been taken over. - Yes there have been many battles - even successful ones on English soil, but the English have always been able to eventually win whatever war that was going on.

This can encompass the battles with the Scots, although it is usually the shores of Britain that are mentioned with invasion. And the Scots never over threw the government (although they did end up adding their blood-line to the English throne. But James the Vi (James I of England) wasn't much of a Scot, if you ask me (which you haven't)

For that matter the United States and Canada both have never been successfully invaded, though our histories are a bit shorter.

pax yall

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 10:10 PM

This all proves the following :

A man will die for an idea---providing that idea isn't quite clear to him.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Naemanson
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 09:57 AM

"...sneeking around with a box of matches..." LOL

I love the imagery!

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 09:54 AM

Naemanson - If sneeking around with a box of matches counts as an invasion (more or less what Wallace did in England), then the USA invaded England (or Whitehaven) in its War of Independence.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 09:12 AM

Don't let the politico's assinine statements fool anyone. Americans know they have no better friends in the world than Canadians. We sort of think of them as an extension of the US, which they don't like very well, but who else is more like US?

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Naemanson
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 07:29 AM

Speaking of invasions of England didn't William Wallace take York?

Of course, shortly thereafter he went all to pieces over a little failure....

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 06:09 AM

Hey TJ!

If you are so good then why did we have to save your ass during those last two scraps with German? ;-)

Or was it that you only picked sides when you could see which side which way it was going anyway...? :-0

And

But more importantly why do British women prefer American guys?

Because the American guys are richer, more gullible and easier to take money from? You didn't realy think it was anything to do with dress sense, manners or sense of humour did you??? *BG*

LOL

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 05:53 AM

We were even invaded by some French who landed at Fishguard in Wales and were frightened into surrender by some Welsh women.

German Kings and Dutch Kings have only 'invaded' by invitation. We've been invaded by Scottish 'Non-Kings' or 'Would-be-Kings' as well as real Kings, Dukes, Earls and so on down. If you read 'The Steel Bonnets' by George Macdonald Fraser you can find out all about Border Reivers. There are lots of old ballads which mention them, including Chevvy Chase (the ballad, not the actor). Many Americans and Canadians will be descended from these border families. They might be the ones who will start the next war for you! **bg**

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 01:24 AM

The British haven't been invaded since 1066? Haven't there been Scottish kings, German kings and at least one Dutch king since then?

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 08 Apr 01 - 11:43 PM

We like the Canadians who visit Florida each year. We like the British too - After a few years you can do a good job estimating how long they've been in Florida by how lobster-like their skin appears.

I've got one word for yall - sunblock.

pax yall

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Naemanson
Date: 08 Apr 01 - 09:05 PM

You haven't lived till you've mingled with the Canadian Exploratory teams that invade Old Orchard Beach (Maine) every year.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Apr 01 - 07:30 PM

The Canadians send good-sized invasion forces to Hawai'i and Florida every winter, including me. The natives do a good job of resistance, cleaning us out before we go home.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Apr 01 - 07:14 PM

Good points there. I invaded the USA on several occasions too, with no apparent effect whatsoever...on them, that is. There are a lot of nice places to invade down there, as long as you avoid the inner cities.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: ollaimh
Date: 07 Apr 01 - 08:33 PM

well you'all sound consider that the western part of canada has more oil reserves than ever existed in the middle east--they are the most expensive oil reserves to extract but they are likely figured large in the pentagon's long range planning. and canada has between 20 and 40 percent of the world's fresh water--depending upon the estimate. with a population of 30 million we wouldn't be that hard to absorb.

i'm not advocating anything, but it has long been my suspicion that the reform party was funded by the cia in the beginning to facilitate just such a resources grab if quebec were to separate. the old leader of the reform--preston manning was an employee of a cia funded think tank of a decade.and he was the media darling with no obvious reason except the corporate interests were backing him.

i'd also like to say about chretien that he has his good qualities . he is the youngest of thirteen children born in poverty in rural quebec, and with a degenerative nervous disease that keeps him partiallt paralized on one side of his body, and he made it to the top with more strikes against him than any other politician i can think of. he's a genuie fighter. the other canadian leaders are a joke compared to him as far as their toughness. now toughness isn't the only quality but he's sure got it. that is the seceret to his appeal in three elections. he genuinely appeals to working class people as a hard working fighter, warts and all. that's something the right wing parties and the media consistently under estimate.

he is also the leader of the moderate to left wing of the liberal party so a lot of people who want martin as the new leader(the leader of the ringht wing of the liberals)forget that chretain has a lot of support within the party as there is presently no other left leaning leader who could beat martin in a leadership fight..

i persinally have invaded the united states many times but no one seemed to notice . i mat invade again this summer and go on a busking trip across the union. anybioy got any sugestions for good placces to claim for canada.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: kendall
Date: 07 Apr 01 - 03:18 PM

Thats probably the reason the Canadians dont annex us!

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Amergin
Date: 07 Apr 01 - 01:15 PM

Sometimes I wonder why we just don't go and annex Canada....then I remember who we would be forced to call countrymen....

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 01 - 12:44 PM

Yes, Bill, we miss you. Oh how we miss you! When does Hilary get to run again?

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Naemanson
Date: 07 Apr 01 - 09:58 AM

All of the above reminds me of a scene from the movie Hallelujah Trail:

Cavalry, dismounted, along a ridge, fighting Indians in a sandstorm. A round comes in from behind. The lieutenant calls, "Protect your rear!" The soldiers scramble over the ridge and fire back. Another round comes in from behind again. The lieutenant calls, "Protect your other rear!" The soldiers again scramble over the ridge and fire back. Yet another round comes in from behind. The lieutenant calls, "Protect both rears simultaneously!" Half the soldiers scramble over the ridge and come up to face each other!

It doesn't read well but it's one of the funniest scenes from comedy westerns.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: GUEST,TJ
Date: 07 Apr 01 - 09:53 AM

Sorry for the harassing, just a little good natured fun.

The truth is we have no interest in acquiring Canada, asides from being too damn cold up there, it would be too difficult for us to teach you all to think in terms of miles and inches, etc. Besides who could live with all those French Quebecians? Not me. ;-)

Good day all!

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Apr 01 - 09:48 AM

I agree.... just don't use the bugle to sound retreat.

Subject: RE: BS: War with Canada?
From: Willie-O
Date: 07 Apr 01 - 09:33 AM

The assertion that the UK hasn't lost a war since 1066 is entirely incorrect. Or did they actually win the American War of Independence and we were all misinformed?

And stretching definitions a bit, you could argue that Mahatma Gandhi declared (a pacifist) war on the UK, and won. The tactics were unconventional, but the result is not in doubt.

Fact is, though, that no one has been successful since 1066 at INVADING Great Britain. Nor, since 1763, has anyone successfully (as in, caused a change of recognized ownership) invaded what is now Canada, neither has anyone invaded the United States.

(Except the Beatles)

Now let's all strategically retreat with honour intact.

By the way ollaimh, you make a good point. I was speaking rather broadly. But fifteen seats helps the Liberals maintain a comfortable majority, doesn't win or lose the election for them.

I just wish the Liberals in power weren't so damn Conservative!

Willie-O