MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: tiggerdooley
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 04:49 AM

I sometimes worry that I come across as a bit of a nutcase, then I remember that I am far more of a crazy, dippy cow than dots on a screen could EVER convey.

So my secret's safe....

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 03:42 AM

I met WyoWoman at Dave and Pam Swan's a year ago and again in her home state of Colorado last November. She is as funny, warm, intelligent and spirited as her posts. Riggy, radriano, BSeed, Melani, BillR, Rev, Dave and Pam Swan, Winters Wages, Elise - all catters who I think many of you would enjoy in a musical setting AND sitting around the kitchen table gabbing. Great folks, and they probably don't post enough to let aspects of their personalities shine through online (with the exception of Dave and Pam - who are very much like their wonderful posts).

I met Barry Finn and Peg at the Boston traditional singers club, and talked with Barry at Mystic. Barry comes through in 3D as in his posts. A great guy. Didn't get to talk with Peg much as I had to leave the club early, but she can SING and was friendly and as welcoming as her PM responses to my thread inquiring about Boston sessions.

-chanteyranger

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 11:45 PM

Thanks, Spaw....always said you were the evil twin of us.**BG** Uh-oh, does this mean I've been *gasp* saved?!!

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Peg
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 08:00 PM

Please Bill tell us what you think of people you have met!!! I am with Amergin, rescue this poor thread.

Okay, I will do a bit.

Kendall is very sweet and much less scary in real life than you would think...oh, and he's a wonderful performer.

Naemanson is a big lovable teddy bear type with a nice voice who knows some great songs.

Jeri (if she is the one I remember) sings with some real intensity...

Animaterra is a sweetie and sings like an angel and has a real "Libra" peacemaker feel about her, and pretty long, long hair!

Barry, well Barry must be heard to be believed: a rich, lusty tenor made for sea shanties. Let us all hope he recovers well!

Judy Predmore works tirelessly for the folk music community and is a Martun Wyndham Reade fanatic! She also has a lovely way with a song and really makes it her own.

The Woodchucks know some incredible songs, both funny and deep, and are real live Vermonters in every way imaginable...hair to shoes...

I met lots more Mudcatters at the NH gathering but can't recall their names now, sorry!

Also met Micca while in the UK, and he is a handful! A lovable, talkative, effervescent madman. Quite the photographer. Don't get him started on the UK pagan community...and also got to meet Liz and her SO and daughter, lovely people!

Peg

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 07:08 PM

Great idea.....Now, I'm still waiting to hear fron YOU all that crap you want from everybody else....name, e-mail....all that crap I posted.........I thought you wanted to put that on everyone's postings....Where is yours?

And stay off the other thread totally ..... Even that crack about dick or Sandy meeting more.....just stay off the thread and let it go....You want to keep this up, keep it up here........Now where is your info???

Spaw

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 07:01 PM

Bagpuss, Max hasn't got time to monitor all the posts. I don't wish that terrible job on anyone.

As for setting up my own site, that may just be possible.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 06:25 PM

Yeah, I'm sorry about that Bill......This one's a bit long anyway......Why not start a part 2 and post your stuff. I'll stay off the shinola about BO and I assume he may do the same.

Before I leave the subject, congrats kat on redeeming yourself.....LOL.................

Spaw

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Bagpuss
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 06:20 PM

Yeh, I want to know what you think of all of us!

Bagpuss

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Amergin
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 06:15 PM

Just go ahead and do so, Bill, bring this thread back.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: bill\sables
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 06:12 PM

After having met about 160 mudcatters in the USA, Canada and the UK I was going to post my views but as this thread has degenerated so much I don't think it is worth my time and effort.
Bill

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Bagpuss
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 06:11 PM

If the owner of this site wants it to be a site purely for the discussion of folk and blues music, then that is his right. And if he were to say so, then I would comply - and he could chuck out any members and delete any posts which were off topic.

None of this has happened, so I assume that he is happy for it to continue to be a big mish mash of what it is.

If you want just music threads, then there is the ever so difficult option of just reading those threads - its not hard to work out which they are.

You have a right to an opinion on how you think this site should be, but equally we have the right to think you are an arse for the way you go about expressing that wish.

If this site doesn't meet your high expectations, then go and set up your own site and play with yourself there.

Bagpuss

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,Idle Musings
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 05:53 PM

Well I guess this thread has degenerated to the point where my original question hardly matters. Silly me, I'd hoped it would stay friendly and funny. Still, with so many people here, I guess it's too much to ask of some that they keep their personal agendas to themselves or at least in another thread. To the rest. Thank you. Interesting stuff.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 05:45 PM

kat/katlauging, I once thought you were in the same league as catspaw49, but you've really redeemed yourself lately. As for photos, I don't care about clubs and cliques. I saw an announcement of a new Tradchat line on the web the other day on rec.music.folk, but it turned out to be just another general chatline with little to do with folk songs or music.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 05:35 PM

Key-riced, can't you even tell gender from a photo, BO?

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 05:28 PM

My oh my..........Getting very touchy aren't we? One thing for certain though, my posts are all under my name.......catspaw49. And it takes very little effort to find ALL the details of my life here on this forum. I think even my blood type is posted here. Putting in my e-mail stops nothing as I have not done anything to be ashamed of.....like posting under a pseudonym/anon Guest thing.........except for Cletus, Paw, and Cleigh O'Possum. Of course you know that, since you've been around so long and all.

Too pathetic to look the stuff up? No problem.......

Pat Patterson, [e-mail], Bremen, Ohio----Married, two kids (Tris and Mike), 51 years old, born Tuscarawas County, Ohio.............All that stuff has been posted continuously here and there on the forum............

NOW......YOUR TURN!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 05:14 PM

catspaw49 doesn't want any changes because it would seriously handicap his/her flaming, as can be seen in the above and many other posts. However, I tried to find out how long that had been going on, and a Forum search on 'catspaw49' grinds away for a while then gives the message 'Document contains no data', but I already knew that of his/her messages.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 04:40 PM

What are you saying Lepus? You mean like the #1 has halitosis or real nasty body odor or something? OK....we can play ol #1 like that I think. Now....What shall we call #1? I mean he stinks more like #2. Certainly cannot call him that so how about "Doggy Breath?" Or how about "Pit Stink" or something along those lines? How about "Body Odor" and then we can cut it back to save the typing and call him "BO" for short? Got any ideas there Lepus?

Spaw

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 04:31 PM

Oh, who cares? Why let this cocksmoker hijack an interesting thread? Whoever GUEST,#1 is, s/he's pathetic. We should just laugh at this kind of insecure attention masturbator. If we don't look at his/her actions as "flames," but instead as "retarded antics," s/he will at least have some sort of value to society (entertainment). Let's be kind to #1, eh? Haw-haw.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:56 PM

You can be very sure that Max (and a lot of others know who I am). ........"Guest#1"

Then why not use your normal name to post since you post as a Guest anyway? What's to lose?

Spaw

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:55 PM

I think you're just mad because with Cupid on guard, your wife and Mars are at it again. Has she ever slept in your bed?

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:50 PM

Not good at figures of speech, are we?

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:46 PM

Hi, Vulcan

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:30 PM

Guest, you mean I long ago figured out about irresponsible posting, that if you can't beat them, join them, and make it so bad that Max will have to face the problem and do something about it. ?

Yeah, just what Max needs, people like you making his job harder. It's sort of like people complaining about public radio who don't pledge during the fund drive: you're getting something for free, and yet you bellyache about it. Worse, you don't just bellyache, you actually make the problem worse.

If there's logic in there, I'm a Vulcan.

Alex

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:22 PM

I'd say any post by a guest other than a first-time visitor asking for information (e.g. song lyrics) is under a prima facie suspicion of being irresponsible. If people want to take regular part in the give-and-take discussions here, they should join. Not doing so indicates an unwillingness to be held responsible for one's words, which in turn suggests a desire to post irresponsibly.

Alex

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:18 PM

mousethief, Alex, you obviously didn't read my note very carefully.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:10 PM

A- This is not a News Group. It's not the usual MB either.

B- My e-mail addy is all over the place here as well as a lot of other people's............If it were included in my posts, so what?

C- Feel free to put your (real) addy in.

I think you're completely off your nut. E-mail addys aren't going to stop a thing. What other "causes" are you pushing? What are "irresponsible postings" anyway?

Spaw

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:05 PM

I want to see frivolous and irresponsible postings eliminated from the Mudcat Forum

This is too rich, coming from #1.

Alex

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: flattop
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 02:04 PM

I apologize. I'm sorry for thinking those thoughts when I read the phrase.

Recently I've been too busy to read enough threads to have a feel for what's going on. Good to hear that MK is being positive and that GUEST,#1 is not offending everyone.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:59 PM

I want to see frivolous and irresponsible postings eliminated from the Mudcat Forum. The only way this ever seems to work well is to make (real) return email addresses of the poster made available. Every other newsgroup, single clicks in your News on your browser, to subscription newsgroups. I discovered that someone (unknown to me) even subscribed me to a subscription newsgroup, something I didn't know one could do.

The return email address puts the poster in position for anyone to copy the email address to use for flaming or spaming. How can one avoid that? I gave one suggestion above, but I don't know enough about software for servers to be sure that it is workable.

I long ago figured out about irresponsible posting, that if you can't beat them, join them, and make it so bad that Max will have to face the problem and do something about it. You can be very sure that Max (and a lot of others know who I am). You don't see everything regarding the posts in the dinky headings available on this Forum.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:49 PM

Yeah Max, I agree and we all know that it ain't MK or garg..............but how about someone explaining ANY benefit to having an e-mail post? #1 seems sety on that and as Jeri said, its an easy one to get around........so what's the point? And what else is it that #1 wants? I keep waiting but I don't seem to get an answer.................

Spaw

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:47 PM

Karma Guard -- is that a patented product? Where can one go to buy that?

Alex

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Max
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:44 PM

I can say with great certainty that #1 is not MK.

Many of us know who #1 is thanks to some handy detective work from our longtime members. And knowing where all these flame games go, I would guess that it eventually gets out. This Web site is protected by Karma Guard.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:39 PM

Even if return e-mail addresses could be added to posts and IF Max wanted to do it, I could fake my e-mail the same way as I can do in a newsgroup post or e-mail list. I could get a throw-away account with Yahoo or someone. Not only that, but you mention spammers harvesting addresses. What's to prevent them joining and getting everyone's e-mail? I'm fairly sure that if e-mail addresses started appearing here, more people would opt for "GUEST" status rather than the one who would join.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:26 PM

GUEST #1, my email address is [e-mail]. Drop me a line and tell me about yourself, and what the point of what you are doing is. I am sincere in the request. Maybe if I understood the point of what you are doing, it would help. That way we won't eat up Mudcat resources.

Mick

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Amergin
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:25 PM

Guset#0, I know you are having a tough time lately, with your dear Mary Ewe, cheating on you with your best friend, but that is no reason to take it out on the rest of us. It is time to move on.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:22 PM

Hey #1............What the hell is the point here? I'm basically stupid and just don't get it. What would be the point in an e-mail addy anyway? What's that going to do or NOT going to do? Really.........How about an explanation here huh?

Spaw

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:20 PM

That's mutual Big Mick.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:17 PM

Yes I did forget beautiful, and the talent was implied. Ask Fielding who told him you were very talented. And I think we must revive the trio from the first Getaway.

I agree with your assessment on #1 not being GG or MK. And I agree on your assessment of MK's actions recently. He is talented and seems bent on being helpful and an asset to our town. I am happy to see it. I don't really care who #1 is. I usually scan the post to see if it is worthwhile. Usually isn't, so I have come to just ignore the posts more and more.

Mick

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:12 PM

All is forgiven, Sorcha. Hope you don't get spams or flames.

I'm still trying to figure out how to make return email addresses available to Mudcat members for every post, but not to non-members. You have any ideas along that line? I might be amenable to joining that way, but for me, now, there are more disadvantages than advantages to joining.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:09 PM

You forgot "beautiful," Mick, and talented, and... oh well. The bold is OK with me. ;-) (I'll fix it anyway.) Mick is every bit as "larger than life" than he sounds. I mean his heart, although the rest of him's pretty big too. The kind of guy who was nicknamed "Tiny" when he was a kid.

I feel safe in saying #1 isn't MK or Gargoyle. MK has been being an informative friend to folks here, and #1 hasn't even come close to GG's nastiness. Just a guy who spent too much time bitching about BS to feel comfortable being seen enjoying it. I don't believe he's been truly nasty with anyone.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:58 PM

Ok, I apologize too. Got a little out of line, there. Sorry, all. I'm going to go tend the duck now.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:51 PM

Why Big Mick, I thought the bold emphasis suited your posting about Jeri. I figure Jeri's qualities should be placed in big bold print on a billboard style tribute.

Little Neo

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:41 PM

damn, forgot to turn off the bold.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,avoiding target status
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:39 PM

"G's phrasing sounds too much like old MK but I'd hate to accuse an innocent rat bastard of that".

That's rich coming from you flat top. If you mean former participant in last years flame wars Michael K, at least he had the class to apologize, unlike the instigator, and the rest of the little group. He's been a good Mudcat citizen for the last year, especially behind the scenes as a lot of us can attest. AND he knows music, and shares it.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:39 PM

Jeri........

Ohmagawd.......

I forgot Jeri, she will kill me.......shit!!!

Jeri is different than I imagined her, when I first met her. But with the passage of time, her posts have come to sound exactly like her. When first I started reading her posts I imagined her to be a bit gregarious, very outgoing and witty in an intellectual fashion. When I met her she was soooooooooooo quiet and in the background. But I could hear her voice and hear her instrument. And I found her to be a fascinating person. As you come to know her, you realize that her quietness is really because she is thoughtful, she is outgoing but in a very genuine way. No phoniness whatsoever. The witty in an intellectual way stands. And she is a calm voice in a sea of reactionaries. I appreciate this. More than once she has hauled me back by my ears and pointed out that I was reacting before I understood what was happening. Hard to beat a friend like that.

Mick

---

Font size back to normal. --Some gregarious, outgoing and witty (not to mention modest) JoeClone

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 10:35 AM

It's being re-aired on TV now, but's a little over half-way through. (just finished the part about the half on one's genes that aren't really yours, they just hitchhike through the DNA chain, and are good at reproducing themselves and not good for anything else)

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 10:13 AM

And I thought I'd have to have a different number of chromosomes to be a jellyfish...oh well.

In any case, I don't think genes have all that much to do with personality, which is what we're discussing. They undoubtedly have something to do with it, but have no effect on how we learn to treat other people, whether it's someone who's a friend, or someone we don't know and never will meet. This is probably learned behavior as opposed to personality, but it's the most evident thing when we first meet other people.

Me, I'm always apt to try to avoid "groupthink." I'm equally as apt to try to avoid rebelling just for the sake of rebelling. The former probably comes from my mom, who would come into the room when I was watching a big-scary-monster movie, and root for the monster. ("Oh, poor King Kong! He just wants to go home, and they're scaring him, and...") It's why I avoid the "get the guest" games. I don't want to be part of the angry mob of townspeople going after the monster with torches and farm implements.

As for the latter - the rebelling - I just hate feeling like I knee-jerk in any direction. We've all seen people who disagree with the predominant way of thinking simply because it IS the predominant way of thinking, and they seem to take great care in being seen to hold a different view. They're just as controlled by group mentality as the ones who conform.

I'm just as much a social animal as anyone else, but I try to figure out not if I agree or disagree, but what I think. This isn't something I was born with, and it's technically not an aspect of personality. It has nothing to do with genes, other than genes making it possible for me to learn. I do think that we learn to react certain ways from our parents, so it's something we inherit, although not biologically. Those who've learned to treat others like crap will continue to do so unless they learn another way. It's possible, but I don't think it happens very often.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Bagpuss
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 08:47 AM

Guest - firstly, are you sure about that figure of only 30 genes which differ amongst humans? I ask because I know of several single gene disorders, and scientists are always talking about different genes which affect our likelihood of having different diseases (such as breast cancer, schizophrenia, etc). And I'm sure I have heard of more than 30 different instances.

Anyway, even if it were true - 30 different genes add up to a hell of a lot of variation. Say on average there were only 2 alleles for each gene - that makes 2 to the power of 30 (which I make over 1000 million combinations). Also, genotype does not equal phenotype. Genes and environment interact to produce all our characteristics. So in short, every human is unique.

So next time you want to hijack the conversation, make sure you choose a subject you actually know something about.....

Bagpuss

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 03:15 AM

flattop, I can safely say it ain't MK

It is someone who should know better and has too much time on his hands, though.

Subject: RE: MC.Personalities. Cyber, & in the flesh.
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:40 AM

If you have no desire to communicate with me, why are you doing so? What I gave you is a valid e mail address.......my secondary. Aren't you smart enough to do that? Sure you are....

I don't check the hotmail addy very often, so spam and flames don't bug me there. Spam/flame away, my friend. No sweat off my back. That's the glory of hotmail etc, as opposed to a home ISP addy, which actually is available if you want to look for it, and know how.....

flattop, thanks for the compliment, but it is mostly due to Google or Copernic.......I really don't have all that stuff in my brain. I do have, however, a researcher brain, meaning the ability to re-phrase a question and the curiosity to keep looking.......