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Subject: Any Goths outthere? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Apr 01 - 06:40 AM Whitbty Goth weekend this weekend. Anyone there from the Mudcat? I'm not 'proper' Goth myself BTW and don't go to the concerts but after stumbling across this festival some years ago I have always enjoyed going. Probably because I like Whitby. Or is it because I like wearing make-up....? (But that's another story! :-)) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: manitas_at_work Date: 25 Apr 01 - 07:17 AM I'm an East Saxon. We were up in Whitby a few weeks ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Orac Date: 25 Apr 01 - 07:18 AM I'm going to Whitby (Moor and Coast Festival) too. I didn't know anything about Goths until I got there last year for the first time and saw all these strange bods wandering about. Unfortunately one of the poor sods fell off the cliff last year and was killed, so lets hope nothing happens like that again. Its a bit cool at this time of year for the camping but well worth it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Firecat Date: 25 Apr 01 - 07:47 AM ME!!! Well, I used to be. Im an ex Goth. I still wear black most of the time but I don't wear black lipstick and don't have black hair anymore. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Apr 01 - 07:55 AM I don't have black hair either. In fact I don't have much hair... Can I borrow your black lipstick though??? ;-) strange bods wandering about??? I thought they were the Morris Dancers! Cheers DtG
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: English Jon Date: 25 Apr 01 - 07:58 AM Might be... Why? English Jon (AKA Allan Sex Fiend) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Troll Date: 25 Apr 01 - 07:58 AM Ostra- or Visi-? Differences are crucial. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Orac Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:01 AM Yes there were some of those too.. I dont like to speak ill of the afflicted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: GUEST,Dita (at work) Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:02 AM More info please Troll, from Father of two Goths aged 14&12. love, john. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Firecat Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:05 AM No, Dave, you can't borrow my black lippy! I don't know where it is for a start! Anyway, my boyfriend complained when I wore black lippy, cos he ended up wearing more than me!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Nemesis Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:10 AM I was wondering when the Goth question would come up on Mudcat :) Not a Goth (although do have secret yen to drop pastels get into black leather - but that's probably a different site altogether :) gOTHS AND GARDENING ANYONE? Check out www.gothic.net/~malice - sorry - how does one do blue blicky things? Cheers |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Gervase Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:20 AM I suggest you talk to Morticia - she's spawned a very nice Goth who's a credit to her lunatic parents. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Troll Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:28 AM Dita,
The Ostragoths and Visigoths were two tribes who invaded parts of Europe after the fall of Rome. Actually, the helped some of it fall.. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: English Jon Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:32 AM Lack of couth my arse. English Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:44 AM I suppose I could combine the folky/goth thing. Hows about singing "The Sisters of Mercy, they are not at the concert tonight..." Dave the Gothic Gnome |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: English Jon Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:47 AM Why not? Andrew Eldritch does "Jolene". Possibly the funniest thing I've ever heard. English Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:58 AM Oh - and if you want further info on the weekend itself, Dita, try This Clicky (If I got it right! - If not it's www.whitby.darkwave.co.uk). The youngsters would love it. I took my twins - or rather they took me - when they were 14. Had a whale of time (Scuse the pun, those who know Whitby). Whitby is such a great place. Good cheap accom usualy available as well - except at this years Folk Festival which clashes with the Regatta! Bagdale Hall has some very reasonable family rooms (sleep 3/4/5) which we stopped in. Enjoy DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Bagpuss Date: 25 Apr 01 - 08:59 AM I was always told I should be a goth, cos I'm pretty pale, and I read Sandman comics. Could never get into the scary music tho, and I am rather too fond of nice pretty colours. Anyone remember a sketch in a comedy (Big Train perhaps?) in which goths had a rota for hanging around the cemeteries and looking scary? Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Louisa Date: 25 Apr 01 - 09:21 AM I'm not a goth (although I do wear black a lot) but my friend Ant is a folky and a goth and will be at Whitby this weekend! He has long blonde hair, and likes eating sweetcorn out of the tin. If you ever forget what kind of festival you're at, then Ant's your man - just look at his clothes - black for goth, green and purple tie-dye for folk!
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: wysiwyg Date: 25 Apr 01 - 09:25 AM Hey Goths, help me out. Is an adult Goth involvement kinda like a Ren Faire thing, in terms of time spent, it being a sort of second persona, etc.? That sounds interesting and largely fun and positive. Here in the US though, the very young preteen and teen Goths... are into general negativity, actively. It's not a separate reality for them as much as the main reality... Can you help me sort out the US and UK and/or age differences? Firecat, can you help me see this? PMs are welcome, if not here. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Fibula Mattock Date: 25 Apr 01 - 09:32 AM Hmm, I went through the wearing black phase (now I'm just into archaeological hippy-grunge scruff), but was more of an industrial goth (nine inch nails as opposed to nephilim). I have a friend who's still a goth at the ripe old age of 29. He hates other goths and calls them cliquey and snobbish. He refuses to be categorised as one, despite the fact that he gets up in the morning and decides on which shade of black to wear for the day. We went out to a Hallowe'en fancy dress night at a club a few years ago and all he did was stick on a wizard's hat. He has gorgeous waist-length black hair. Everyone thought it was attached to the hat, which didn't go down to well with him as they tried to pull it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Wavestar Date: 25 Apr 01 - 09:35 AM Sometimes I'm a Goth. Never hardcore. I'd look bad with balck hair. Got accused of it a lot in high school though - thanks, whitebread world. I like the music, I can appreciate some of the clothes, but the angst... no thanks, I'm done with angst. If you're Gothic and you know it dress in black... If you're Gothic and you know it dress in black... If you're Gothic and you know it then your clothes will surely show it If you're Gothic and you know it dress in black If you're Gothic and you know it be depressed If you're Gothic and you know it be depressed If you're Gothic and you know it and then your angst will surely show it If you're Gothic and you know it be depressed. If you're Gothic and you know it slit your wrists If you're Gothic and you know it slit your wrists If you're Gothic and you know it then your scars will surely show it If you're Gothic and you know it slit your wrists If you're Gothic and you know it, kill your friends If you're Gothic and you know it, kill your friends If you're Gothic and you know, then the body count will show it, If you're Gothic and you know it, kill your friends Now please, no one get offended... I alwsys thought this was really amusing when I was all Gothed up... my friends and I used to walk down the street singing it. -J
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: hesperis Date: 25 Apr 01 - 09:55 AM Challis - I love that site! I found it when I was looking for the meaning of hesperis. Here's your blue clicky to MAlice's Gothic Garden. I'm not a goth, but I've had friends who were. They said I would be perfect for it, probably because of the unhealthy colour of my skin, lol! But unfortunately, I never could see the benefits of giving up bright pink and orange. I love too many colours to be a real goth, though the music is cool. Also, I have a slight philosophical difference - I recognize that the darkness of life is rich and varied, but I like the bright side too. I go into the darkness to create, but I don't want to live there exclusively. I prefer to integrate the dark and the light, rather than choosing one over the other. Jessica - ROTFLMOLWSGJOTK!!! I am going to have to tell my friends about this! It's perfect! ~*hesperis*~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: English Jon Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:03 AM Hmmm... Obviously more goth in folk than I thought. Anyone ever do goth stuff in folk clubs? Hastily rushing off to learn "last exit for the lost" on the concertina... English Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: GUEST,Matt_R Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:26 AM Truth be told, Goths scare the Hell out of me! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: English Jon Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:27 AM HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Why? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Noreen Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:29 AM Hepsperis.... spraying green jello on the keyboard????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: GUEST,Matt_R Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:35 AM I don't know...they just do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: English Jon Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:37 AM Fair enough. Nothing to do with eating their own young then? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Caitrin Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:41 AM I did the Goth "I am a tortured artist" thing a bit in ninth grade--I just kinda got bored with being tortured. Now I still wear a lot of black, but it's mostly because half of the clothes I own are used for working crew in theatre. I did have a rather fun time at a Goth club I went to in Cambridge, MA, when I was visiting a friend up there. And Susan, a lot of the people in the Goth club scene here are only Goth on the weekends. They do it for fun or fashion or entertainment and then go back to their regular lives the rest of the time. There are also a lot of people who always live in their Goth persona--some of them are really cool interesting people who have chosen Goth as their way of life, and some of them are pretentious "tortured artists" who need to grow up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: English Jon Date: 25 Apr 01 - 10:59 AM Goth and theatre are of course strongly linked... Bauhaus etc. Like acting, music etc, the whole goth thing is essentially about showing off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: GUEST,Matt_R Date: 25 Apr 01 - 11:01 AM Now mind you, I DO like JJ72 and Placebo! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Apr 01 - 11:46 AM Like acting, music etc, the whole goth thing is essentially about showing off. Never thought of it that way, EJ, but I reckon you are onto something there. I am, basicaly, an exhibitionist at heart. Why else would I do the Pace-Egg play, get involved in Morris and, to a lesser extent, sing at the folk club even if I'm not that good at it? I don't think it is purely for the attention as I feel no need for attention or recognition in any other way. I think it is just the way I am. I also find that at folk festivals, the goth weekend, morris dance days and so on I feel comfortable. Is it because they are full of like minded people? Perhaps any of mudcats phsycologists would like to comment??? Before I get too serious though perhaps it is equaly because all these activities involve partaking in large quantities of the amber nectar??? I have never seen or heard of any trouble at any festivals of this type though. Perhaps the authorities have it wrong! Instead of banning drinking at football matches etc make all the fans wear make up, wooly jumpers and morris bells instead!!! Could be onto something here...;-) Werther de Goethe |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: GUEST,Rana Date: 25 Apr 01 - 11:46 AM Only group I've seen which had a fair number of goths (as well as folks who looked like pirates) in the audience was Dead Can Dance. They are still one of my favourite bands (seen them 3 times in Toronto - pity they seem to have broken up) and seem to have a very cross-over audience - certain tracks could be considered folky (to answer one point above) - they do The Wind that bends the Barley, for instance. Rana |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Fibula Mattock Date: 25 Apr 01 - 11:57 AM Oh, I love Dead Can Dance! ("Shakes" the barley, Rana, "shakes" it!)*G* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 25 Apr 01 - 12:40 PM The children of the night...what music they make! Mwahhh-ha-haaaaa! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Apr 01 - 06:02 PM Ah well - getting into the swing of things. I'm halfway down a bottle of something I can't pronounce (coz it's Scotish..;-)) and feeling decidedly gothic. Well, I've gone very pale with black under my eyes anyway.... Love and kisses all. Looking forward to Whitby. veaD het noGme |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Peg Date: 25 Apr 01 - 06:14 PM I go to goth shows in Boston fairly often; gotta have somewhere to wear my vintage Edwardian black clothing...I dress in sort of a romantic goth look (lace, some color in with the black, vintage, leather, not vinyl) I do have very goth hair I am told (no I do not dye it black) and am pale-skinned enough to pull it off... In my exotic dancer days I wore a lot of black lace... Goth is mostly about music and fashion, but there are some who live it as a lifestyle...some of them very interesting folks...some of them pretentious gits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: hesperis Date: 25 Apr 01 - 06:19 PM Noreen - you were close. Grape juice, actually. (I detest green jello.) I co-wrote a song with a goth friend once. She wrote the lyrics and I wrote the melody. It's a pretty cool song. Unfortunately, her boyfriend hated me... because we were going to start a band with one other person, and she told him that he would be the sound guy without telling the rest of the band, and he tried to take the thing over and I wouldn't let him. He was a goth, a pagan, and a druid, and he started going on about how he was more powerful than I was, and that he could kill me magically and it wouldn't even show... fun, eh? I told him that of course he could do that, and he dropped the issue. But it kinda broke up the band, as he didn't want her coming near me, because I saw right through him. It really sucks when those with magical power refuse to take responsibility for the proper use of it. It gives us all a bad name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Nemesis Date: 25 Apr 01 - 07:34 PM Re. Hesperis' post - did anyone see the BBC2 doc. last week about The Arcane Wizards who all seem to have met up at catering College - Top w***er was boasting how he had hexed people and made their life a misery. The funniest tho' were all the sly visual jokes the BBC had slipped in e.g. interviewing "Orpheus" on an Underground train; best was a very earnest discussion on the origins of modern hermetic magic in front of a fairground sign of Mickey Mouse (as the Sorcerer's Apprentice) Cheers ChaliceRaven |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Peg Date: 26 Apr 01 - 12:39 AM hesperis; I agree: penisheads like that DO give conscientious witches/pagans a bad name...but if he is a "real" practitioner I am sure he has suffered for this sort of behavior... Challis: that sounds hilarious! Wish I could see it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: SeanM Date: 26 Apr 01 - 12:50 AM Hi, my name's Sean. I'm a recovering Goth, punk, Industrial-head and pretty much every other major aberration in music to head down the pike. Did my time as a "black clad". Still got the long hair, though it's grown longer and now is no longer uniform Clairol Blue-Black (Number 93, if I remember correctly). Did my time as a 'skunkhawk', sides shaved up to the crown, rest grown and epoxyed up to fins. Did my time in fishnets, though for personal reasons much less than the above - I'm a firm believer that NOONE should be subjected to hairy guys in fishnets without a personal request first. Results? I'm now another 'renegade folkie', with no compunctions about blending the tune for 'The Bollweevil' into the tune for "Blister in the Sun" (Just lookin' for a hooooooome, he's just lookin' for a home, Lookin' for a hooooooome...) It's all different paths. Some of us follow them back to the basis for them, and others go the other way without ever looking back... Sean
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: English Jon Date: 26 Apr 01 - 05:23 AM Anybody out there like Hedningarna? Swedish folk music that sounds as if it was produced by Christian Death. Very interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: paddymac Date: 26 Apr 01 - 06:12 AM Jasus, DtG, be careful. That burnt whisky can do strange things to you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Caitrin Date: 26 Apr 01 - 12:33 PM Trad and Violent Femmes? *grins* Sounds cool, Sean. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: mousethief Date: 26 Apr 01 - 12:45 PM Am not a Goth, currently don't know any Goths, but have met and talked with some in the past -- they struck me as a hell of a lot like folks. The ones I talked to were really pretty nice, and not nearly as f***ed up as the media likes to portray them. Everybody wants to "fit in" -- the Goths, methinks, have just found a way to identify themselves that the "mainstream" culture is a little uncomfortable with. But they're human, with human wants, needs, desires, feelings, etc., for all that. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Fibula Mattock Date: 26 Apr 01 - 01:08 PM Yeah, but what about all the brat-kids who appear on afternoon talk shows with titles like "My Kid Worships Satan and Listens to Evil Music and Wears Black Lipstick and Has Piercings" (maybe more concise than that) who all try to dress like goths cos they want to be individual, but they try so hard not to fit in that they end up looking like everyone else. Sad really. And nowadays I am mocked for wearing stripey knee socks. The only time I looked fashionable was during the grunge phase, though mine was out of habit and necessity and not current trends. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: mousethief Date: 26 Apr 01 - 01:11 PM How many kids who "worship satan" are really serious about their "religion" and how many are just trying to shock their parents? Truly there is nothing new under the sun. The Goths I talked to were not satan-worshippers (actually they were Episcopalians!) and I would wager that very few people who think they are satan worshippers really are, and they are more in need of our pity than our scorn. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Fibula Mattock Date: 26 Apr 01 - 01:18 PM Oh, I totally agree that they're in a minority, but I don't see the need for pity OR scorn - it's just a choice of belief systems. And are satan worshippers not completely different from the stereotyped anti-Christian version anyway? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Any Goths outthere? From: Fibula Mattock Date: 26 Apr 01 - 01:21 PM (Love to stay and debate the issue, but dinner and a leaderless Girl Guide pack await!) |