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Subject: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: GUEST,Honky Date: 01 May 01 - 09:34 AM 'Hello? Manchester Evening News Classifieds? Can I place an entry in the Deaths column, please?' 'Certainly, Madam. What would you like to say?' 'Lee Roy is dead' 'Just that, madam? Our minimum charge allows you six words...' 'Okay. Change it to read: Hymie is dead. Pimpmobile for sale.' |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: GUEST,Honky Date: 01 May 01 - 09:38 AM Lee Roy rushed in to speak to his father... 'Father, I have got Mavis into trouble, and her family want a £10,000 dowry...' 'Shit, Shit, Shit, I suppose it will have to be...' A week later, Rufus rushes in with a similar problem, but this time the figure is £12,000... 'Shit, Shit shit,' (etc.) A few days later, Jemima sidles up to Daddy: 'Bernard has got me in trouble, father...' At this news, her father's face brightens considerably: 'Here's where we make the profit!!'. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: GUEST,Honky Date: 01 May 01 - 09:41 AM A Black goes into a Chinese Takeaway. 'Hey, Ping Pong! Gimme some noodles!' 'Who are you calling Ping Pong? My name is Chai Lung - what is your name?' 'My name is Martin Luther King III, Ping Pong...' 'I told you I am Chai Lung, not Ping Pong' 'Ping Pong, Chai Lung, it's all the same to me...' 'Sorry, cannot serve you.' 'Why not?' 'You started the riots' 'Pardon?' 'Martin Luther King, Rodney King, all the same to me...' 'You responsible for the Los Angeles riots' |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: GUEST,Honky Date: 01 May 01 - 09:42 AM You can always tell when you're in a black neighbourhood - padlocks on the dustbins, and toilet paper hung out to dry... |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Peg Date: 01 May 01 - 10:03 AM non-irritating to whom?
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: CarolC Date: 01 May 01 - 10:10 AM Well, GUEST,Honky, you may have a valid point to make. I just wonder if the most effective way to make it is with the use of a cudgel. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 May 01 - 10:51 AM Doesn't realy make much sense I'm afraid, Honkey. The original jokes are mainly about stereotyping. Three of the ones you have chosen are about the alleged tight-fistedness of the Jewish race. I have never heard that accusation leveled at black people. The other one (Iceberg/Goldberg) is not stereotyping and not, I believe, particularly offensive to anyone, exept as a bad pun. (See puns thread for worse ones though!) Jokes about alleged ethnic traits should have at least one redeeming feature. They should be, however vaguely, witty. I am sorry but your re-workings fail on that count and therefore do not really do much to prove your point. Try again if you must but use an original joke that makes some sense to the point. And don't try it with Gnome jokes or you might get a visit from a little bloke with a sharp fising rod....;-) Cheers Dave the Gnome
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: mousethief Date: 01 May 01 - 10:59 AM Fising rod? Is that a typo or is there something about gnomes that you should tell us, Dave? |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 May 01 - 11:02 AM Ahhh - that'd be giving the game away. It's a secret known only to us Gnomes:-) DtG |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: CarolC Date: 01 May 01 - 11:07 AM Dave the Gnome, in England it might be possible to do what you have suggested... to come up with an original joke that stereotypes black people in a way that makes some sense, and is witty and to the point.
Here in the U.S., that sort of thing usually causes a lot of problems. I think the wounds are too recent, and too deep. We need more time to heal. Carol |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: GUEST Date: 01 May 01 - 11:08 AM To Dave the Gnome, So you're saying that these racist sterotypes are funny when they're applied to Jews but not when they're applied to Blacks. When you suggest that the Ping Pong/Iceberg joke is not even sterotyping, you are revealing yourself. It stereotypes, in completely racist fashion, both Chinese people and Jewish people. You should be ashamed of yourself. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: mousethief Date: 01 May 01 - 11:13 AM Saturday Night Live used to do "black jokes" that played gently upon stereotypes, yet weren't inherently offensive. I remember in particular a faux commercial for malt liquor. This is playing upon a stereotype (for those who don't know) because many malt liquor ads in the US are targeted at blacks, have black models/actors, etc. The commercial showed a bunch of black people at a party, and they were all dressed to the nines, which is another stereotype -- blacks in the US (at least where I've lived) tend to dress up more than their white neighbors for things like parties. Was this commercial offensive? I don't know for sure, not having a black person's sensibilities (since I'm not one). But it sure didn't seem mean-spirited to me. In another report on the ridiculosity of hyper-PC, I once read a blrb on Pushkin, Russia's bard extraordinnaire, which described him as an "African American." Apparently it had originally said "black" and someone going through to make it PC just knee-jerkingly changed it to "African American." I'm sure Pushkin knew he was black (he wrote a story about his black ancestor who was in Peter the Great's court), but would have been very surprised to be called American! Alex |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: CarolC Date: 01 May 01 - 11:21 AM Alex, I think there may be some contexts in which it can happen without causing problems. I just don't happen to think this is one of them. This isn't a scripted television show. It's an open forum. Lots more potential for problems in this context. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 May 01 - 11:27 AM So you're saying that these racist sterotypes are funny when they're applied to Jews but not when they're applied to Blacks. Not at all, Guest (Is it the original 'honkey' btw or another?). I do believe some ethnic humour can be funny but not all. I am pointing out that just applying a different race does not make sense in this case. When you suggest that the Ping Pong/Iceberg joke is not even sterotyping, you are revealing yourself. It stereotypes, in completely racist fashion, both Chinese people and Jewish people. I was completely unaware that the Jewish race were noted for being unable to understand Chinese names, or that Chinese waiters were usualy stereotyped as giving witty responses. I submit to your better judgement.... You should be ashamed of yourself. For what? I stand by my original posting. It is neither racist nor stereotyping. I try my best to not indulge in either. I was simply pointing out that the modification of the original stories served no useful purpose. What is more I will stand by it openly rather than hide behind an anonymous 'Guest' label. Come and see me any Monday at the White Lion, Swinton and we can discuss the issue over a pint. Cheers DtG
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: GUEST,Stereo Typer Date: 01 May 01 - 11:49 AM For Dave The Gonome who likes to laugh at stereotypes: The Jews are all rich and have computers. Some of them come to Mudcat Cafe. It was inevitable that they would find the Jewish joke thread and be offended. The Blacks are all poor and don't have computers. None come to Mucadt Cafe. They will not find this thread and be offended. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 May 01 - 11:59 AM Huh? |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: gnu Date: 01 May 01 - 12:06 PM The jokes are neither funny nor in good taste. I didn't even bother to access this thread (nor the Jewish "Jokes" thread - and still haven't) until I read the thread about being ashamed to recommend the Mudcat. I've always said **** 'em if they can't take a joke, but this type of humour really should be kept in the circles of the small minded. I will ignore these threads and repost this to the Shame thread because the only redeeming value I can see being generated here is that fact that most 'Cats will speak out against these threads. Should they be banned from the 'Cat ? Where do you stop ? Would you ban the recent "Coping with Women" thread ? Gosh.... it never ends, does it ? See you in "Shame". BTW. GUEST,Honkey.... you are an ***hole |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: CarolC Date: 01 May 01 - 12:08 PM Dave the Gnome, Would you be willing to consider the possibility that threads like this one and the other one cause more problems than they're worth? If we can agree on that, maybe we can then just let them die. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Clinton Hammond Date: 01 May 01 - 12:35 PM "I've always said **** 'em if they can't take a joke, but this type of humour really should be kept in the circles of the small minded." Isn't that what Mudcat is?? A haven for the small and close-minded??? So, some here find them offensive? So fecking what?!?!?! Ya don't like it, don't read it and DON'T POST TO IT!! D'UH!!!! I'm glad I live in a world where some things offend... it shows that we're still different in some respects... not all the fecking same white-bread-and-butter like the PC feckwits want us to be! Without differences, we cease to evolve... So keep offending! |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Les from Hull Date: 01 May 01 - 12:55 PM Black Joke (also Black Jake etc). A non-irritating Morris Tune. Perhaps dancers and musicians would care to share their opinions of this tune. And singers - there's words as well!
Black, white, yellow and green And there was an HMS Black Joke in the Napoleonic Wars, a hired lugger I believe. I'll look up the details if anyone who is interested. And I would be interested to know why this family of tunes had this curious name. Les |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Les from Hull Date: 01 May 01 - 01:18 PM Ha ha - answered me own question - it's mucky in't it? In the earliest collections of songs there's a bawdy song where the Black Joke refers to, let me see, how to put this delicately - it's a lady's front bottom. Les |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Ian HP Date: 01 May 01 - 01:18 PM "Without differences, we cease to evolve... " So I suppose that justifies racism? Hmm. I wonder if any Jews or black people who've been turned down a job or assaulted because of bigotry, or had their families maimed or killed by racists have ever been asked, 'Can't you take a joke?' ALL things can be made a joke of - but it DOES depend on the joke and its intended target. |
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Subject: Yup... From: Clinton Hammond Date: 01 May 01 - 01:31 PM George Carlin does a bit about that... that all things can be made a joke... that rape, to him, is hillarious... he then asks the audience to picture Elmer Fudd raping Porky Pig! It's all in the exaggeration... I'm not trying to justify anything though, Ian HP... I'm just saying that people have the right to more or less do what they want in an uncontrolled environment... So why be surprised when they chose to rub shite on the walls??? Ever heard holocaust jokes told by jews? They are some of the best jokes I've ever heard! But I'm a big fan of black humour... Jokes about death and such... But "A great man once told me 'Death smiles at us all... The best a man can do is smile back'", sounds really good to me too... |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Pseudolus Date: 01 May 01 - 02:10 PM In the words of CarolC.... "Here in the U.S., that sort of thing usually causes a lot of problems. I think the wounds are too recent, and too deep. We need more time to heal." I agree, I think it's unfortunate, but I do agree. I think it's all in the intent. Is the intent of the joke (or the telling of the joke) to hurt? To substantiate the bigotry? Or is the intent simply to make one laugh at the absurdity of things that were commonplace to our parents or grandparents. When I was in high school, I was not allowed to double-date with a couple because the guy (who at the time was a good friend) was black. It hurt me, in fact I lost a friend over it because things were never the same after I told him the truth....my dad just said no. It's a sad thing. To be able to look back on those things and laugh or a least smile at the absurdity (imho) will be to say that we've gotten beyond it. It will be a sign that we have forgotten the hate but remembered what got us here. I'm 42 years old (43 in three weeks!) and I'm afraid I won't see it in my lifetime.....and that's even sadder..... Frank |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Skeptic Date: 01 May 01 - 08:17 PM :-( I repeat :-( Regards John |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: kendall Date: 01 May 01 - 10:50 PM Ethnic humor is dangerous. You are skating on thin ice. The main objection I have to it is, it tends to perpetuate the degradation of other races. Now, I realize that there are no Swedes in the Mafia, but, other than that, we are all brothers under the skin. As Jean Harris said in her book, STRANGER IN TWO WORLDS, Stereotypes afford us the luxury of not thinking. But, eventually, they extract the price of not thinking." |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Owlkat Date: 02 May 01 - 04:11 AM Hi, I'm sorry, but, you know, I mean, can't you do this somewhere else? I just had to give my head a shake when I saw this thread. You guys just don't know when to quit, do you? Sheesh. Owl. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Les from Hull Date: 02 May 01 - 05:29 AM Yes, stop it please - after my intentional thread creep failed miserably. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: kendall Date: 02 May 01 - 07:53 AM Isn't it awful what they did to Marie Antoinette? |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Bagpuss Date: 02 May 01 - 09:33 AM I'm just wondering how Ali G would go down in the US... Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: annamill Date: 02 May 01 - 11:44 AM "do do do do" (Twilite Zone music) I feel like I'm back in the freakin' 50's. Cheez! |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: GUEST Date: 02 May 01 - 04:00 PM A Chinese guy is sweeping the sidewalk in front of his cafe. A black guy comes up to him. Black guy: "Hey Cholly, what's the special today?" Chinese guy: "Flied lice." Black guy: "Flied lice, you must mean fried rice, ha ha ha." Same thing happens every day for a week until the Chinese guy decides he's had enough and goes to a speech therapist." The next day, the Chinese guy is sweeping the sidewalk in front of his cafe. The black guy comes up to him. Black guy: "Hey Cholly, what's the special today?" Chinese guy: "Fried rice, you brack plick."
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: GUEST,JTT Date: 02 May 01 - 04:29 PM These jokes are awfully dull. Hasn't anyone got any that don't sound like a little boy standing in a corner clutching his willy and staring over his shoulder? |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: radriano Date: 02 May 01 - 04:53 PM Folks, you can call it whatever you want to, but these are racist jokes. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: Mrs.Duck Date: 02 May 01 - 08:02 PM No, Kendall it was justifiable homicide! |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: kendall Date: 02 May 01 - 10:17 PM Thats my pet way of changing the subject. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: catspaw49 Date: 02 May 01 - 10:26 PM DAMMIT !!!!!!!! Every time I turn around this damn thing comes back to the top!!!! EVERYBODY HAS A MAJOR ATTACK GOING ON IN ANOTHER OF THE FREAKIN' MUDCAT SPASMS AND SOME OF YOU KEEP THIS DAMN THREAD ALIVE!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU MENTAL??????? LET THE DAMN THING DIE AND LET'S GET ON WITH IT!!!!
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!geeziz... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: mousethief Date: 02 May 01 - 11:12 PM You tell 'em, Spaw! Alex |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: GUEST Date: 02 May 01 - 11:25 PM Go on and prove Spaw's point, Alex. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: GUEST,Ole Bull Date: 03 May 01 - 12:55 PM Black Joke was a privateer out of Nova Scotia in the War of 1812. Cat; some get offended when you take the Lord's name in vain. There is a religious commandment that forbids it, but I realize that most disregard this today. |
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Subject: RE: NON-IRRITATING BLACK JOKES From: GUEST Date: 03 May 01 - 11:29 PM What the fuck is wrong with you people? |
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