PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 12:55 AM

' Thanks. My guess is that they don't truly consider it "answered" unless you actually copy/paste the lyrics onto there or transcribe them yourself. '

Not quite. As an example, 'A Man Can't Grow Old' was requested first requested 30 Aug 00. The lyrics were located 13 Sep 12. It still shows in Unanswered Requests. People just don't have the time. [OK - Joe-]

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 02:35 AM

I guess I don't think of this Unanswered Requests database as often as I should. When I see somebody has posted to the PermaThread, I go to each song, make sure it's formatted and labeled correctly, and clear the database and this thread. But I've been working fulltime on the Rise Again songbook for the last year, so I got behind. And I don't just check the song off the database and forget it. I try to review and reformat every song before clearing it.

CND, it's very important for you to document your source for these lyrics. Did you find it in a book, transcribe it from a recording - which book, which recording? Did you find it on a Website?

Who's the songwriter?

Is there any background information?

It's not only important to gather lyrics in a hurry. It's also essential that we learn source information so we can ensure the accuracy of the lyrics.

Thanks.

-Joe-

Here's a guide for formatting lyrics you post, so that they're in the standard Mudcat format: http://mudcat.org/detail.cfm?messages__Message_ID=2691343

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The songs may or may not be added to the Digital Tradition Folk Song Database - that's up to Dick and Susan. I try to make sure that the songs have ADD and the song title in the title of the message where the lyrics are posted. I also have a distinctive way of formatting the title once I've proofed the lyrics and found the most credible lyrics postings on a song. If the message title is properly formatted, it's easy to find songs in the Old Advanced Forum Search, found in the QuickLinks dropdown menu on every Mudcat page.
If songs are posted and titled properly, they are immediately available in the Forum to anyone who searches for them with the Old Advanced Forum Search. It takes time for posts to be indexed for the main search engine, but they're immediately available in the old search.

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: cnd
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 12:28 PM

Sorry Joe; I'll try and do better in the future. Much of the time I don't have that information, though. Most of the time, I hand-transcribe them from Youtube videos or audio clips. I'll try and go back and fill in some of my holes. I have tried doing the title like you like before, but every time I try that, it ends up with a huge hole between the title line and artist info below it. Which HTML thing should I type to get it the right way?

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: cnd
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 05:00 PM

Lyr Req: Bar Room Crystal Ball (from Hot Tuna) answered
Lyr Req: Barbecue in Heaven answered
GUEST.Mike Fiddle's requeston on Lyr/Chords Req: Corries songs asking for the lyrics to "The Barge o' Gorrie Crovan" should be removed from the "Unanswered" section, as there is already a page on that song here: thread.cfm?threadid=31829
RE: Lyr Req: Barren Rocks of Aden may have been answered by Rumncoke back in 2013.

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: cnd
Date: 20 Aug 15 - 12:08 AM

Lyr Req: The Bear (Andy May) answered
Lyr Req: Another 'Swaledale' song was answered by Mick Pearce in 2012
Lyr Req: Songs about Beeching's Cuts has been both answered on its thread since 2010 and answered (a year prior) here
Lyr Req: Ben Kenobi Nobi (Les Barker parody) answered in 2014 by Long Firm Freddie
Lyr Req: The Berry Tree (Saul Chaplin) may have been answered in 2013.

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Aug 15 - 01:14 AM

I'd prefer to do the HTML on the title, cnd. That's my sign that the song has been reviewed. It does help, however, if you have ADD and the song title (in title case) in the message title box, and then the title in ALLCAPS above the lyrics, followed on the next line by the songwriter name in parentheses, then a blank line, then the lyrics, then any notes and source info.

If you transcribe a song, tell us that you did so and tell us what you transcribed from. If it's in a publication, give us the title. If from a Website, give the URL of the Website.

One early stage of the Rise Again songbook was the collection of lyrics after the committee had built a list of songs to be included in the book. One volunteer programmed a "bot" to roam the Internet and collect the lyrics. Then other volunteers added chords to the lyrics. When I got to the project, the lyrics and chords were reportedly finished. I looked at the lyrics, and found they were awful. That's the usual quality of lyrics on the Internet. That's why we like source-documented lyrics here at Mudcat. No use perpetuating mistakes if the source is crummy.

I promise I will get to work on clearing these, but I'd better get back to work on the Rise Again Songbook. I haven't seen a copy yet, but I understand it's out or almost out (scheduled for Sept 1). I'm working on the supporting Website, which will have links to YouTube recordings and online information about all the songs.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: cnd
Date: 20 Aug 15 - 11:37 AM

Lyr Req: Big Dick (Cheney) answered
RE: Lyr Req: Bill the Quill? / Willie the Pen? was answered by GUEST,Evan johnson in 2013
Lyr Req: Billy Muggins + Rolling Round the World answered

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Cleared. Thanks for these. - Joe Offer

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: cnd
Date: 21 Aug 15 - 12:48 AM

Lyr Req: between here and sunset answered
Lyr Req: Blaina Boys 1930 (Huw Williams) was answered by RamblinStu in 2012
Lyr Req: Blood on Our Land (Irish rebel song) answered

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Cleared, but I had to fix the transcription of "Blaina Boys 1930." It's no use marking something cleared until it's a decent transcription and properly formatted. -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: cnd
Date: 21 Aug 15 - 11:33 AM

Lyr Req: Bold Irish men? / Jolly Irishmen may be answered, but it's hard to tell with how little info the original poster gave
Lyr Req: Leftish Parody on 'Lincolnshire Poacher' possibly answered
ADD: The Boonie Rat Song (Viet Nam War)-chords? answered

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: cnd
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 06:06 AM

Tune Req: Black Bottom Strut (Instrumental) answered

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: cnd
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 03:15 PM

Lyr Req: The Barque Favell answered

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: cnd
Date: 06 Sep 15 - 11:36 PM

GUEST,Colin may have answered Chord Req: Bring the Peace (Mary McLaughlin) in 2012
Lyr Req: A Bum, A Jolly Good Bum may be answered
Lyr Req: I'm bungee jumping by keith donnelly answered
RE: Lyr Req: Bush Telegraph (John Williamson) was answered by GUEST
Lyr/Chords Req: Bush Barber, etc (John Williamson) answered

Subject: RE: PermaThread™ Unanswered Requests
From: cnd
Date: 08 Sep 15 - 11:08 PM

Lyr Req: The Butcher's Apron (Irish Rebel) answered
RE: Lyr Req: Cabbages, Cabeans and Carrots answered
I would also call Lyr Req: Camp Meeting in July (Jerry Correll) answered