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Jokes in worst possible taste

Max Tone 08 Oct 01 - 05:05 PM
GUEST 08 Oct 01 - 05:11 PM
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Max Tone 08 Oct 01 - 05:27 PM
wysiwyg 08 Oct 01 - 05:36 PM
DougR 08 Oct 01 - 05:41 PM
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okthen 08 Oct 01 - 06:15 PM
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Subject: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Max Tone
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 05:05 PM


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Ok, at the risk of getting shot down in flames (sic),

A hot dog seller was dug out of the rubble of the WTC after several days buried in the basement.
His first words to the rescuers were "Who ordered the two Jumbos?"


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 05:11 PM

Oh, if only that were a true story!


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Nemesis
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 05:18 PM

Hmm, yes that is in the worst possible taste - you know that; we know that; you know that we know that; we know that you know that we know that you know it - what do think it can possibly achieve?


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Max Tone
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 05:27 PM

More sick contributions from other warped minds?


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 05:36 PM

MaxTone,

It would have been nice to use the BS: thread prefix on this, so that the many Mudcatters who filter out the BS threads could have missed this one. I bet if you ask in the Help Forum they will retitle it for you.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: DougR
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 05:41 PM

There was an article in today's paper about the subject of humor at this time.

If Jay Leno feels there are certain subjects, such as the WTC tragedy, that cannot draw laughs, I doubt, MaxTone, you are going to find much success at it either.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 06:01 PM

Oh, I get it. Jumbos as in Jumbo Jets.

That's not funny, that's sick.

Alex


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: okthen
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 06:15 PM

Heard several similar, none of them funny.

Joe, could you put this thread out of our misery?


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 06:22 PM

I have a problem with censoring this sort of thing. I am a member of a folklore mailing list where a number of scholars are currently harvesting these kinds of jokes from the Internet.

Difficult as this type of humor is for most of us to suffer, it does serve a purpose--it is one of the oldest, most common forms of stress release in the face of the truly awful and incomprehensible.

I'm not suggesting anyone like it, or even accept it. But I've got a real problem with any attempts to censor it.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Max Tone
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 06:29 PM

So,
Some folks in the supposed 'land of the free' wish to censor free speech.
What about the misery that US Forcible Foreign Policy, Income Imperialism, and Currency Colonialism causes to millions of helpless minions in third world countries, not to mention the Western World. US multinationals are universally hated all round the globe, for very good reasons.
It may help the shareholders on Wall St. to buy profitable companies in foreign lands, then close them down, chuck the workers on the dole and move production elsewhere, but it don't help the locals.
Introducing Big Macs and Coca-Cola to lands that rely on subsitence farming and barter CAUSES poverty.
If you'd kept your ideals at home, and not tried to export them to other lands, you wouldn't have suffered the consequences.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 06:35 PM

Now we have a troll.

SOME PEOPLE did not ask it be censored, ONE PERSON did. Others merely expressed their regret that it's here, and as for me, I didn't ask that it be censored, I asked it be properly titled.

Doesn't look to me like this thread's purpose was comic relief, or relief of any sort.

Thanks for clearing THAT up. *G*

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST, I, hurricane
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 06:44 PM

1) Are multinationals U.S. multinationals, or are they multinational?

2) Is human greed in organizational form an "ideal," or is it human greed?

Your points have merit, Max, but I don't think you've yet described a solution to the problems you've outlined.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 07:09 PM

I think that sort of humor depends on your own situation and view point and indeed sense of humour, sick, black or otherwise.

I saw another thread where we have a new version(s) of the Banana Boat Song and a "Shoot Bin Laden in the Liqour Store" game where he seemed to be portayed as some sort of Asian store keeper. It provided some ammusement to a few but equally could be deeply offensive to others.

Some people seem to find that the this form of humour helps them get through things and in itself, I am not often bothered by it and in fact laugh once in a while. I find it more worrying that the Banana Boat Song seems to have been commercailly recorded and the game seems to be operated by a commercial company who ?sell? other games. That is where it goes that step to far for me - making personal money out of the whole thing.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: InOBU
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 07:17 PM

No wonder I didn't get the joke at first... not a joke by a New Yorker - we don't refer to any Hot Dog as a Jumbo, it is a Hot Dog or a Sausage. No, Max, there is not desire for censorship here, just a sigh of wonder at the bad taste of some. You see, New York is quite different from lots of the rest of the US. Where there are bias incidents in Texas towards Moslems, here in New York, the right and left are meeting in Syrian restaurants, to protect them from any fools who think Islam is the enamy. In Mohamet's Felafel shop, on St. Marks Place between 1 and A, where we can still smell the burning wreakage, right wing neighbors of mine, discuss - debate and argue over sending troops or my solution, creating ecconomic justice. But, the eejits who did this, hit one of the few places where the underlying misery which breeds their discontent, has lots and lots of folks who care about it. In fact, one reason - until a few weeks ago, most of America hated New York, was our leftest traditions. So, it is not very unlike the IRA bombing Manchester - a meaningless stupid act. Yes the world didn't change, it only came to New York, but many of us here, already aknowleged that. You may be surprised to learn that President Mandela speaks of the action of the New York City Council, in being in the lead of the disinvestment movement, which helped to end aparthide and set him free of his jail cell. The US federal government, he did not thank, he thanked us, not the US.
Well, what you don't hear at Mohamets, from the right the left, Jew, or Moslem are jokes about some 6,000 of our neighbors and guests, firefighters - court officers and police officers, pilots, flight attendants, and just plan folks being roasted and crushed to death. No, we are not jokeing, we are thinking of folks, good folks like John Tierney, whoes dad teaches Gaelic with my friends, John who was new to the Fire Department, still a rookie, who ran into hell for others he did not know, who still lies somewhere under the rubble, or perhaps was just the grey ash we all breath in every day still, well, if you find it funny, come to New York, I will buy you a hot dog in front of John's still burning pire, and let's see if you can eat it.
Pray for peace, work for justice
Larry


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Tone d' F
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 07:41 PM

Some people use humour to deal with trauma, I was in an intesive coranary unit in Kent and as people were brought in, we would have bets (no moey involved) who would and who wouldn't make it.

That and humour was the only way we had to deal with the fact that all 20 odd people in the ward had nearly died

I stopped when one of my jokes nearly killed the guy in the bed next to me (yes that bad)

When I returned home there was a car battery with jump leads on my doorstep, I found it hillarious my girlfriend didn't

Humour at the right time and in the right place, within minutes of the WTC happening I was recieving text messages and amongst them was a bannana boat / Bin Laden song that within an hour of it happening.

I would not think of reciting any of them. 6,000 wouldn't apreciate it and neither would their families


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: DougR
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 07:42 PM

Susan, I think we all got "took." This guy isn't interested in humor anyway. Just another Troll, probably passing through. If he didn't try to mask his actual message behind humor, and posted on one of the other threads about the WCT, he probably would have been well received by lots of folks. Not by me, of course.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 08:05 PM

Well I hear that the latest hot item for Halloween costumes ar eturbans wtih arrows sticking through them.

A


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 08:18 PM

Doug, I didn't do a usersearch, but the name rings a bell...

Maybe one thing that works in sick humor, as stress relief, is when it happens between friends who have also shared the difficult situation... as part of a process of dealing with it. This felt, to me, more like something else.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 09:36 PM

There was a comedian that pointed out there is a time limit when one can can make a joke about Pearl Harbor but is so long that once it could be deemed funny , no one would recall the reference so it wouldn't be funny anyway.


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Subject: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 10:35 PM

Baaaah... that's nothing... very amateur Max Tone...

Ya want a 'bad taste' joke???

(WARNING!!! THE FOLLOWING IS VERY OFFENSIVE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?

Nothing... You've already told her twice...

Now THAT'S in bad taste!!!!


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 10:38 PM

Six of the current eight top threads are B.S.

And people wonder, "what has happened to the DT/MC


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 10:44 PM

If a tree falls in the forest is a man able to hear it as well as his wife's voice?

No, his wife told him to pick her up at Forest Mall, not the forest.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Troll
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 10:52 PM

Guest, see my post on the Rush Limbaugh thread.

troll


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Oct 01 - 11:24 PM

Thanks Larry. I didn't get the Jumbo joke either. Some musical WTC humor from the Onion. Funny because it is painfully close to the truth:
President Urges Calm, Restraint Among Nation's Ballad Singers WASHINGTON, DC— In the wake of the recent national tragedy, President Bush is urging Mariah Carey, Michael Jackson, and other singers to resist the urge to record mawkish, insipid all-star tribute ballads. "To America's recording artists, I just want to say, please, there has already been enough suffering," Bush said. "The last thing we need right now is a soaring Barbra Streisand-Brian McKnight duet titled 'One For All.'" Reports that the FBI had confiscated several notebooks and audio tapes from Diane Warren's home could not be confirmed as of press time.



Burnt and rotting corpses. Friends and relatives scavenging through the stench and ruins twenty four hours a day hoping to find ...no. I'm not ready to laugh about this yet.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: MudGuard
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 02:44 AM

Max Tone, you wrote in your 6:29PM posting:

So, Some folks in the supposed 'land of the free' wish to censor free speech.

First, learn to count and learn English - there was exactly one person asking for censorship, 'some' in English refers to 'more than one'.

Second, how do you know he comes from the 'land of the free'?

Third, in your original posting, where is the joke you mentioned in the thread title?


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 03:08 AM

OK, why don't we let this thread die. When MaxTone wakes up today he is going to regret bitterly having gone to the pub last night. But it WAS a misplaced attempt at humor, nothing more. And he will learn his lesson, I am sure.

After all, we all post things in poor taste which we regret later, don't we. I am sure WYSIWYG, taking the moral high ground above, bitterly regrets the day she offended the entire Irish Mudcat contingent by saying that God must really want to save the Irish because he made so many of them.

And DougR, taking a similar stance, would probably prefer not to be reminded of the thread he started asking for ways to beat the breathalyser.

So let MaxTone live and learn. We all make mistakes.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Gervase
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 06:17 AM

Blimey, for f***'s sake guys, get off Max Tone's back.
His joke is one of the milder WTC jokes doing the rounds at the moment, and long may they propagate.
< Me sick? Of course. Because black humour is an essential safety-valve for dealing with tragedy.
I was on the scene at Lockerbie within hours of the explosion, and the humour among the recovery crews, the hacks and the officials there as they picked their way through often unrecognisable pieces of people strung like skeins of sausages from the trees and rooftops was about the only thing that kept people sane - and some of the jokes were very sick indeed.
I've seen the same thing happen in such disparate places as Clapham, Zeebrugge, Kegworth, Vukovar, Vitez, Purley, Mostar and Ladbroke Grove - there are some events that would be too awful to comprehend if we dwelt solely on the pain and agony.
God bless the person who finds humour in the midst of tragedy and thus makes a small safety valve for those who are left.
Ask yourself why the jokes appear within hours of the event. It's not "sickos" and "twisted minds", it's ordinary human beings, unamble to comprehend the true awfulness of what has happened, but who nevertheless want to stick two fingers up to fate.
So, unless you've actually lost a close family member on September 11 and do find Max Tone's joke personally distressing, stop kvetching.
He's just doing what countless others have always done and tried to smile in the face of enormity. Maybe his timing wasn't ideal, and maybe just lobbing the joke into a forum like this isn't the most diplomatic way, but...
And to think that I thought it was Al Quaida and the Taliban who wanted to supress music, humour and irreverance. Doh!


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Ritchie
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 07:25 AM

I caught the end of 'Good Mornin' Vietnam' last night on TV, I've seen it before of course but with the current situation it makes you think does n't it ! Here we have a film with pathos, humour ,sadness, tragedy ....hang on how can that work ?

thanks to the person who submitted the thread ..it enabled me to read In Obu's reply, which to me put things into perspective as far as heartfelt everyday feelings are concerned.

Thanks to you all

love Ritchie


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 08:42 AM

He's aTROLL fer F*ck's sake, isnt that OBVIOUS?


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 09:15 AM

Right, it appears I was WRONG in that assertion, & I apologise to him, & to everyone.

I'm sure he will regret the post really, much as I regret the one above.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 09:17 AM

Its not that I regret your regret but rather I regret not having the ability to edit ones posts in this forum as other sites allow.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: okthen
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 09:59 AM

My apologies for requesting censorship, the subsequent postings have been illuminating, I should have known the general level of intelligence here would deal with it.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: M.Ted
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 12:18 PM

The humor is not "sick", the event that we are using the humor to deal with is "sick"--


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: DougR
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 12:50 PM

Anyone other than me noted that MaxTone hasn't been back to contribute to his thread since he loosened the tirade against the U. S.?

DougR


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Jock Morris
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 05:01 PM

Having been drinking with Maxtone much of the weekend he probably was still under the influence when he started this thread:-)

What appears sick and tasteless when you're close to a disaster can seem much milder and less offensive when you're removed from the event by a few thousand miles. Witness my response to a request for 'humorous IRA songs' a few months back having lost a family friend to one of their bombs; I couldn't see the possibility of humour then.

Scott


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 05:11 PM

Maybe one should have to pass a breathalayser before posting?**BG**

Poor choice, posting it to a forum, but InOBU's and Sinsull's postings from Ground Zero are excellent reads.

katnotreadyforprimetimejokes,either


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Max Tone
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 05:23 PM

Ok, so I did get shot down in 'flames'. BS thread heading or not, it would seem that "Jokes in worst possible taste " is pretty self explanatory, and nobody was forced to open and read it.
Maybe my timing's out as well, but I did at least wait a few weeks before posting. Most of the sick jokes I know appeared on that awful Black Tuesday.

In fact, the saddest one of the lot came BEFORE the event.
Do you think it co-incidence that Bin Liner chose the appropriate date of 9.11 for his air show????

I've also just heard that he celebrated his military strike with a slap up meal for his supporters, where they shared flaming tower burgers and a big apple crumble.

I'm sorry if I appeared to have an ulterior motive for posting; I didn't -- the censorship request got my goat, as did the single malt.......thence off at a tangent. I was hoping to trawl up some input of other jokes from round the world. Mea culpa.

Over here, hot dogs/sausages come in 'ordinary' (US - regular) or jumbo sizes.
"SOME people" is a term often used, when speaking to a group of folk, without naming or implying any particular person; The speaker/writer knows well of whom they speak, as does the subject.........

OK, so I'm a sad sicko and accept the flak, but since we're here, is there any interest in getting back to the original thread? Anyone wanna contribute? Loved the President's speech one.
Rob


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: DougR
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 06:00 PM

Scott, Rob, thanks for posting those messages. Rob, I was pretty convinced, as you can see from my posts, that you were just a troublemaker. I see that you're not. As several people have pointed out, I posted a thread one time that I shouldn't have, and am emphatic with your situation.

I don't know any worst possible jokes to post, however.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 06:05 PM

I'm the original guest who complained of the censorship request. I'm one of the 6% of the American public (according to the poll numbers being reported on the news as I speak) who is opposed to the bombing of Afghanistan.

My two favorite jokes I've heard so far was a reference to Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (in the wake of their remarks about God punishing America for gay rights, or some such putrid shite) as the American Taliban. :)

But the one that warmed my heart most was on TV the Friday after the attacks. An emergency room doctor was being interviewed by some media hack doing a story about "the little hospital that could" (ie St. Vincent's--closest to WTC). The media hack is wrapping up the piece, and says to the ER doc "So, what you are saying is, if the casualties needed to brought to a small hospital, at least they were brought to the *right* small hospital."

The ER doc responds:

"Are you calling my hospital small?"

That was the first time I was really able to laugh after the fact.

Black humor is something some of us appreciate. I'm one of them, and I'm ready for the jokes--hungry for them, in fact.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST, I, hurricane
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 08:44 PM

>>>... accept the flak, but since we're here, is there any interest in getting back to the original thread? <<<

Well, okay. How about expanding on your observation implying that Americans somehow earned or deserved this massacre?

"If you'd kept your ideals at home, and not tried to export them to other lands, you wouldn't have suffered the consequences."


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Bert
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 09:32 PM

Sometimes humor is all we have left that keeps us going.

I can remember jokes about Hitler during WWII, of course we weren't so damned PC then.

Just to make Max Tone feel a little better here's some email I received from a friend recently.
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Killing Osama bin Laden will only create a martyr. Holding him prisoner will inspire comrades to take hostages to demand his release.

Therefore, I suggest we do neither.

Let the Special Forces, Seals, or whoever -- covertly capture him, fly him to an undisclosed hospital, and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex change operation.

Then we return HER to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST,Whistle and Bagpipes
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 09:35 PM

MaxTone you blew it big time with your "joke" and to top it off with additional posts of "If you'd kept your ideals at home, and not tried to export them to other lands, you wouldn't have suffered the consequences." -doesn't help your cause any - just goes on to prove that you are a flamer with a poor sense of humor, timing and decency. So sad for you.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 09:43 PM

If I hear that sex-change operation joke one more time, I'm going to scream! Read the threads, people!!


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST,Lisa L
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 09:52 PM

Gervase - Your defense of MaxTone is extremely poor and not well thought out. Have a nice day.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Bert
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 10:21 PM

Get a name


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST,Ernie
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 10:28 PM

Bert - How about Ernie?????????? Happy now?


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Bert
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 10:31 PM

Now, don't you FEEL BETTER already gutless matey?


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST,ernie
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 10:33 PM

Only if I can fornicate with you - lucious lips lackey!


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: Bert
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 10:35 PM

Why fornicate with ME; everyone knows you're already fucked.


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Subject: RE: Jokes in worst possible taste
From: GUEST,Ernie
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 10:37 PM

Someone get their bum hurt in a weggie today? You certainly have a load of hostilty - and a load of shit. Just let it go! Har


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