BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'

Subject: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: GUEST,simon peter
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:02 PM

Please explain I am lost about this expression is it a fist or a thumb or a finger or something else, thank you for your hell.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:07 PM

"Thank you for your hell????

Look man, everybody got their own private hell and I don't need your ass hangin' out in mine!

Fuck off is simply a way of telling someone to "go to hell" or "kiss my ass"........What are talking about with the fingers and thumbs?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:13 PM

Look, Spaw, when someone offers to relieve you of your hell, my advice is give it to him. GUEST, simon peter, if you really want my hell...it's yours! On the instant. Thank YOU.

If you want a euphemism for "fuck off", how about "collateral damage"?

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: UB Ed
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:17 PM

Simon Peter? A three time denial could be a "fuck off."

Ed

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:20 PM

Nice one, UB Ed.

Murray

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:25 PM

I was once in a brothel and the girls all had the clap. You could get hand jobs, blow jobs, and the like, but when I asked the Madam about a fuck, she said, "Sorry. Fuck's Off!"

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:43 PM

Please excuse these barbarians Simon Peter (by the way I LOVE your book, although I think the lead character should be a girl)

Everyday I try to help folks who simply don't know what to use ...a finger? Maybe. A thumb? Oh absolutely! A Fist? Well I have to tell you that you're the first to suggest a fist. I'm afraid you're going to get a lot of muffled notes using that technique though. There are always exceptions of course. Catspaw has been using TWO FISTS for years, and other than the resulting sound.....his playing is great.

Glad I could be of help.

Ricky

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: UB Ed
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:50 PM

See my finger
See my thumb
See my fist
You'd better run

Is that it?

Rick, you may be on to something about Spaw's two fist method. That could explain the large number of consonants in some of his gastronomical posts.

Ed

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 12:02 AM

Ed, I prefer not to look at his gastronomical posts. I DO have limits!

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Stewie
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 12:23 AM

Simon Peter, I cannot think of any hand gesture tbat means 'fuck off' specifically. The closest is perhaps the two-fingered, palm-facing, sweeping upward gesture towards a person which denotes 'up yours'. But, then again, perhaps led a sheltered life. I am surprised that Spaw hasn't invented one.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 01:44 AM

Simon Peter, Simon Paul, which is it?

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Gervase
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 04:46 AM

The traditional gesture used to be the balled fist with the thumb poking out between the first and second fingers.
It used to be called "pulling a fig" or "giving the figgoe" and in the 17th century was the equivalent of the middle digit extended (or, in the UK, the 'V' sign with knuckles outwards) and was clearly a gesture meaning "Fuck off!". Hence the expression "I don't give a fig for...".

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 05:02 AM

"...apparently its origin was in an order given by Barbarossa to the people of Milan to remove with their teeth a fig which had become lodged in the anus of his mule."

-Maurice Bessy, Histoire en 1000 images de la magie, 1961.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: GUEST,Leonard
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 05:06 AM

Gervase - ah well, as I understood it, the finger in balled fist - the Figoe - represents a fruit stone projecting from the anus, which the person you wish to insult is invited to extract with his mouth, How rude. Can anyone throw any light on the origins of this delightful folk custom? There is an Italian gesture of putting ones thumbnail under ones front incisors and drawing the nail forward to produce a clicking sound - this is supposed to represent cracking a louse or flea, personified by the person you are insulting. Ah, folk customs...

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Gervase
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 05:08 AM

How rude? I thought there were chaps in San Francisco bath-houses who spent the Seventies doing just that!

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 05:18 AM

There's a gesture that's been widely (and rudely) used in all British-influenced parts of the world except the United States since (allegedly) the Battle of Agincourt: the so-called "V" sign, in which the gesturer makes a fist-shaking motion, but with his index and middle finger held up in a V-shape. If you ever come over to this side of the pond, you'll find this gesture is universally understood; while the American single-finger getsure will be met with puzzlement or (if recognised from US tv/films) derision ("Bloody Yanks, coming over here with their daft gestures ...").

Glad to ahve been of help!

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: paddymac
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 05:56 AM

Ah, yes - the famous "fickle finger of fate". Gervase is correct in that its statesdie meaning is usually some form of "fuck off", although there are shades of meaning largely determined by circumstances and relationships.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: GUEST,Leonard
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 06:44 AM

Well Steve, I think the single-digit gesture is well understood over here. Why, even my wife when out driving has frequent recourse to this and frequently gets the same in response. It has also the advantage of being less labour intensive than the use of two fingers.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: GUEST,Leonard
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 06:55 AM

Gervase -San Francisco ? I believe a similar, but not identical, pastime involving the use of Mars Bars was enjoyed by popular English entertainers during the 1960's. Mars also produce a frozen version nowadays and regular Mars Bars are availble deep-fried in batter in many Scottish chip-shops.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 07:08 AM

I believe that you're confusing euphimisms with shortcuts. A Euphimism for fuck off would be "go forth and fornicate (or multiply)"

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Allan C.
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 07:30 AM

In Brazil, before the hand sign became Americanized to the single finger salute, the "figa" (balled fist with thumb protruding between index and middle fingers) was sometimes used to express the more vulgar sentiment. Its use stemmed from a symbol of fertility that became part of the Brazilian culture by way of slaves imported from Africa. Beautifully carved figas are still worn on necklaces and bracelets by many people from all walks of life. Apparently, the original significance is portrayed in this form; whereas the more vulgar meaning seems only to be transmitted by the use of the hand signal - although it is rarely used these days.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: John P
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 07:51 AM

Speaking of eupemisms for "fuck", I learned something interesting a couple of days ago having nothing to do with hand signs, which as Guest points out aren't euphemisms anyway. I had always thought that the word "frig" was a euphemism for "fuck", as in saying "the friggin' car won't start" when it may not be completely appropriate to say "the fucking car is fucked". But I chanced to use it in a Scrabble game and had to prove its existence and so looked it up. Turns out it is a vulgar word in its own right, dating from the 16th century and based on a Middle English word that means "to rub".

As far as a euphemism for "fuck off" goes, the only one I can come up with is "screw you", which might be more correctly considered a replacement for "fuck you", which has a meaning very close but not identical to "fuck off".

The only hand sign I've ever used is flipping the bird: making a fist with the middle finger extended upward, with the back of the hand toward the person you are communicating with. This hand sign seems to mean both "fuck off" and "fuck you". As for the V sign thing in non-US English speaking lands, isn't that danerously close to Churchill's victory sign?

Isn't is interesting that the victory sign was used as a peace sign during the Viet Nam war? Is anyone else pissed off about Verizon Wireless using it in their ads for telephones? The forward facing V sign was one of the most respected hand signs of the 20th century, used famously in two major wars. Now they are trying to sell things with it. Sigh . . .

John Peekstok

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Allan C.
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 08:03 AM

I should have included that in most circles, even the the use of the manual figa is more often considered to be more of a wish of good luck (not unlike showing crossed fingers) rather than an expression of the vulgar sense.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 08:53 AM

John, Churchill originally gave the victory sign the wrong way--back of the hand outward--until someone pointed out his error, and he changed to the correct palm outward version. It appeared in the occupied Channel Islands a lot (just the letter V), chalked on walls and doors; the Germans tried to make out it was and old Teuton custom and stood for verlornen [sp?] meaning "lost", but no-one was fooled.

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: SharonA
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 09:15 AM

John P: In the situation of the non-starting car, the completely inappropriate expression (as quoted in "Soldier of Fortune" a number of years ago) is: "Fuck! The fucking fucker is fucking well fucked!" ...preferably accompanied by hand gestures, such as grasping a tire iron and swinging it at a headlight.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Trevor
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 09:29 AM

When I was running residential courses for teenagers I once heard, coming from a dormitory, "We'll wait till they've fucked off, then we'll fuck about like fuckin' fuck..."

I'm not sure what hand gestures were being used but he must have been knackered at the end of the phrase.

I'm sure I remember reading that the word was an Anglo-Saxon truncation of 'fornication'.

And now that I've written it down for the first time, every toilet wall belongs to ME!

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 09:42 AM

euphemism for 'fuck off'

Canadian Television: Bob and Doug MacKenzie said "Take Off" because they couldn't use the other word on CBC TV.

California: "Get Bent!"

Olde English: "Be gone ye varlet!"

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 10:15 AM

And then there's this classic from Little Hawk. The name says Hesperis, but it's not. I laughed harder when I thought Hesperis had written it (Hesperis being so pretty and feminine and all), but Little Hawk has admitted that it is his inspired piece of writing.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Pseudolus
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 10:18 AM

I thought a "fuck-off" was an event at really cool state fair!!! Hey, some folks are good at baking pies, homemade chili, etc. Some have talents in other areas!!

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 10:32 AM

I think the fist referred too may be the recent "wanker" gesture of closed fingers waved up and down. Why men should wish to insult other men by calling them wankers when all men are wankers daily from the day their balls drop is beyond my comprehension.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 10:57 AM

Fuckin A! This fuckin' thread is completely fucked ain't it?

Trevor...A lot of my foster teen males used fuck at every other word mostly because their vocabulary was so bad!!!

As for "euphemisms" for "fuck" I turn to the late, great, Allen Sherman who wrote a one word chapter in his book The Rape of the A.P.E. (American Puritan Ethic) which was called "Short Chapter, Long Footnote." The one word was Fuck and the rest of the chapter was the footnote with a long history and assorted euphemism he happily explained. Carnal Knowledge for instance, literally means "to know the meat." Sherman suggested that if you wanted "Carnal Knowledge" you should have a talk with your butcher. Great book....a must read!!!

So let's examine the list below to pick out your favorite term for FUCK:

Vulgarism or "obscenities": ball; balling; bang; boff; boffing; bopping; frig; fuck; fucking; frick; get laid; getting a piece; get a piece of ass; hump; humping; jump; lay; pump; quim; rip off a quick piece; screw; screwing; scrogging; scrump; scrumping; shag; shagging; slam; steaming.

Jargon : "connexion"; congress; copulation; fornicate; hustle; intimate relations; intercourse; to "know" a woman; knowing; carnal knowledge; mounting; penetrate; rape; turn a trick (prostitute's term); sexual intercourse; sexual union; sexual congress.

Euphemisms: all the way; do it; doing it; getting it on; go to bed; go to town; have sex; home run; horizontal boogie; horizontal bop; make it; make love; making love; making babies; playing, or "let's play"; score; shacking-up; slept with; sleeping with; having an affair; going all the way; seeing someone; spending the night with someone; talk (let's talk); a quickie; whoopee.

Romanticisms: deflower (obsolete); he debauched her; he deflowered her; he despoiled her; a fate worse than death; plucking rosebuds; ravish; he ravished her; the ole in and out; seduce; sheath the sword to the hilt (Shakespeare); making the two-backed beast (Chaucer); she succumbed to his blandishment; he took her honor; they consummated their love; violate; he violated her.

Slang: backseat roll; ball; to ball; balls eye; bang the box; bang your brains out; banging your beaver; banging bones; bang the hell out of it; being a man; being in the saddle; belly dancing; bingo; birds and bees; bird doggin'; blowin' a load; boff; boffin; boing; boink; boom-boom; bone dancing; boogie; bouncing bellies; bring the log to the beaver; bucking; bump and grind; bumping; bumpin' fuzzies; bumping pretties; bumpin' rugs; bumpin' uglies; buns in the oven; bury cable; bury the bologna; bury the hatchet where it won't rust; bush diving; busting guts; catch the weasel; catching scootie; come to daddy; coming down on it; cooking; cuddle-my-cuddle; diddle; dip the (your) wick; dirty deed; doink; doing it doggie style; doggin; do it; do the Big Bony Moroney; doing it; doing the big trick; doing the deed; doing the dirty deed; doing the funky monkey; doing the (or a) nasty; doing the thang; doing the wild thing; doink; doinking; do work; drill; drilling for oil; duka-duka; dump; exploratory surgery; filling the box; flesh injection; fooling around; fourth base; fuzz bump; getting bent; get busy; get down and dirty; get freaky; get into someone's pants; getting it on; getting on; get it on; gettin' it on; get it off; get parallel; getting horizontal; getting laid; getting lucky; getting off; getting a nut; get paid; get pie; get plugged; get some area; getting some leg; getting some sugar; get some trim (or quim); get some nookie; getting your rocks off; get your poker wet; giving the dog a bone; going all the way; grinding; gurvie; hide it; hit it; hanky panky; helicopter ride; hide the salami; hit the ball through the bleachers; hit the guts; hobble; hoe the garden; hooking up; horizontal bop; horizontal exercise; horizontal hoola; horizontal mamba; horizontal slamdance; horizontal tango; hot beef injection; hump; humpin' and bumpin'; humping and pumping; hole in one; home run; hot beef injection; hunch; in the bush; indoor body surfing; jam it; Juke; jugg; jump on someone's bones; killing it; killing the eel hammer; knock boots; knocking boots; laying the cable; laying pipe; lock in key; to make somebody; make love--Not!; making it; makin' bacon; making the bed squeak; making whoopee; mating; motion of the ocean; mounting; mud for your duck; mud for your turtle; nail; nailed; nailin'; nookie; the old in and out; once around the park; packing; parking the car; pick cherries; pickle-me-tickle-me; pile driving; playing hide-the-sausage (bologna); playing the front nine; pluck; poke a stroke; pole dance; poon; pooning pop it; pork; pop the coochie; porking; pound the mound; poking; put the puck in the net; pump; pumping; putter in the hole; rail; ram your rod; ramming home; riding; riding the high, hard one; riding the hobby horse; riding the pony; riding the bologna pony; riding the wave; riding the velvet meat curtains of love; ride the wind; rinka-rinka; rocky-rocky; rock steady; rooting; roll in the hay; romping scootie; scooning; score; screw; scroggin'; scrumpin'; scrunch; send it in; have sex; shake and bake; shtoop; shaking the sheets; skiing; skinboat to tuna town; slamming; slapping the bacon to the pan; slapping stomachs; slapping tummies; slipping between the lily whites; spreading the folds; stable-my- naggie; stoop; "taking it"; take a turn on Mount Pleasant; take Nebuchadnezzar out to grass; take a turn in Bushy Park; take the old one-eye to the optometrist; take the skin boat to tuna town; taking a ride; the in and out; thwacking; throwing chalk; throwing the pork; two moon junction; tube steak boogie; turning a trick (prostitute's term); wet the worm; wham, bam, thank you ma'am; wheel; whopping; wild thing; work it; working it.

Feel free to add your own.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 11:07 AM

Have a nice day...

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 11:26 AM

Aw fuck off Mac.......

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 11:40 AM

Is that a talking blues?

A variant we like here is "lurk off."

Another variant we like is "Eat sh*t and howl at the moon!"

Of course they aren't as sexually exciting but sometimes they are JUST RIGHT for accuracy.

So, Pat, lurk off and eat sh*t!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 12:00 PM

spaw, is this like a full time job for you?

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 12:01 PM

tsk...in their origins (as several posts have shown), most rude gestures and verbal insults were highly specific and honed, Now it seems that many of them have been combined and interbred until the are just generic insults meaning "I don't like you and consider you to be in my way and/or not worth my time and consideration"

In my mind, "fuck off" seems to connote a sense of "Go away and don't bother me"...which is different than "fuck you"...likewise, the middle digit has a different meaning than the 1st & 4th digits, or the thumb thru the balled fist.

The same general tendency that tends to make the 'folk' category so ambiguous also works in other aspects of language & culture these days...people KNOW lots of insults, but most seem to use them with little feeling for appropriate detail and situation.(Maybe I don't get get insulted by the right class of people..*grin*)...Some of you could probably wither the flowers in my lapel with choice invective and hand gestures!)

(I commented on some of this in an earlier thread about the term "Fuckin' A"....I claim it to be a corruption of the earlier "Fuckin Aye" (meaning 'absolutely'), in which someone saw 'aye' in print and couldn't pronounce it right....(a Google search gets you both).

also in that thread was a a link to this joke I remembered, which is all too close to the truth about the overuse of 'fuck'....

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 12:06 PM

I always thought the balled fist with the thumb protruding between the index finger and the middle finger was the manual alphabet symbol for the letter "T".

How exactly far can your thumb protrude between there? I have to stretch to get it past the bottom of my thumbnail.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Noreen
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 12:14 PM

Spaw, you have such a rich vocabulary!

Noreen
who succumbed to his blandishment...

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 12:17 PM

Not sure if this is only used in the aircraft industry, I frequently hear used the expression "go take a flying fuck" JohnB

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 12:25 PM

This thread is Blind Drunk in Blind River's idea of paradise. Nice effort, Spaw.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 02:40 PM

The odd thing is that if you tell someone to "bugger off" that's much milder than telling them to "fuck off".

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 02:52 PM

During the Vietnam War, a US Naval Vessel, The Pueblo, was captured by North Vietnamese forces and the crew held hostage. A group picture was staged by the Viets to show the crew was in good condition, and they were told to smile and wave at the camera. One of the sailors asked if it would be ok for the crew to give the "Hawaiian Good Luck Sign", and the Viets said that was alright. The entire crew promptly presented their middle fingers to the camera. It was some time afterwards that the Vietnamese realized they had been the butt of the joke, and the crew was punished severely.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 03:00 PM

Ah Noreen........The lady has succumbed to my blandishments (She succunbed but I kept right on blandishing). I deflowered the sweet lass (after having a discussion with Luther Burbank). Sad but true, I debauched her (took me awhile to find her bauch, but when I did, I took that sucker). I took her honor (well this was only right since she had a double bogey on the last hole and I had a par). However, I want you all to know that I did NOT sleep with her (I haven't as yet been able to throw a fuck while asleep, but I will continue to work on it).

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Noreen
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 03:09 PM

Yes, Spaw, I have in mind the look on the face of a friend who, when asked if he had slept with a particular woman replied "No, not a wink..."

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 03:40 PM

The Pueblo was captured, not by the North Vietnamese, but by the North Koreans as I recall.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 03:41 PM

Would it be asking too much to keep at least the Thread names "G-Rated?" There may be those among us who believe that certain language is better reserved for such places as one would expect to encounter it.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: GUEST,flattop
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 03:43 PM

A polite one is, 'Go blow your harmonica.'

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 03:57 PM

You know, I believe you're right LH.

And I agree with Big Daddy. We had a 12 year old kid looking for Blues info on this Forum, and a thread title like this tends to be offensive. Language in posts is often pretty salty, mine as much as any, but it seems that we could use a bit more care in composing thread titles.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 04:18 PM

Leej, the problem there is that most of don't use that stuff in the titles. This one was started by one of our resident trolling guests who started about 5 last night being cute and all. We're all suckers for one's like this so it plays out and we have a good time..............We need a Joe Offer title change for this one.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Maxine
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 04:25 PM

Have sex and travel! Polite I suppose!

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 04:48 PM

simon peter is a troll? Didn't know.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 05:08 PM

Slight deviation - no that's not a euphemism - the V sign and middle finger signs come from the middle ages when archers formed an important part of an army. If archers were captured by the opposite side they would have their middle finger cut off effectively making it impossible to pull a bow. Therefore showing the V sign was bragging that you still had both your archery fingers and showing the middle finger was a threat of what you would do if you caught one of theirs

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 06:13 PM

"Have sex and travel" What a great motto! Too bad Paladin didn't go by that philosophy...he would have had more fun and not killed all those people.

flattop - Go blow your harmonica.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Snuffy
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 07:41 PM

Apparently "fuck off" isn't ggod enough for our kids any more - it's "fuck off and die"

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: AliUK
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 08:23 PM

Allen C The figa that you mentioned I only ever knew the second connotation, even the most elderly brazilians that I know ( here in Recife) didnt know the -fuck off- meaning. If you wish to expand your lexicon of swear words spaw, you can try foreign additions, for example the various ways we say fuck off here in Brazil are -- foda-se( foda see), vai pra puta que pareu( vie pra puta kee pareew), vai se foder( vie see foder)and just plain ol foda. Have fun.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: lady penelope
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 03:19 PM

Lawks Spaw, I love it. Do you have much time on your hands or are you just terribly knowledgable?

Yep the two fingers is an archers version of "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough".

That figa thing, adds new shudders to the phrase "kiss my arse".

TTFN M'Lady P.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: simon-pierre
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 05:38 PM

Of course, everybody understood that our guest has nothing to do with me. But thanks to everyone, especially 'Spaw, to complete my english courses...

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 05:53 PM

I'm not sure I've done your English any good d-p, but I was a bit pissed the other night that our trolling Guest elected to use something similar to your name to post. He did a couple and a lot of us missed at first glance that it wasn't you. I had to look again because they didn't sound like something you'd post.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 05:54 PM

Sorry...I meant to type s-p instead of d-p.....I guess I'd have been better to type simon-pierre in the first place!!!

Anyway, I'm glad you're here simon-pierre!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 06:50 PM

I was thinking that in the same way that the Americans switched the spelling of "arse" to "ass", maybe something similar could be done here. Phuq, phuque, fuque, foch...

But I suppose what you really need for that to work would be a respelling that has a pre-exisitng innocuous meaning, like "ass". Fox is almost there. Maybe we could tell people to "fox off".

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 07:26 PM

Have you tried a pint of 'What The Fox's Hat', Kevin?

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Rollo
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 08:38 PM

No, Mrs Duck, the erected middle finger doesn't have anything to do with archery. It is an ancient protecting gesture against evil, like crossing fingers and such things.
The erected phallus is an important symbol of ancient male nature and fertility gods. As male power is often connected with fertility, (think of the stag, a major symbol of celtic Cernunnos and germanic Frey, both fertility gods) the erected phallus seemed to be the right protective symbol against evil spirits and wizardry. As Wotan, God of death, and Freya, female goddess of fertility (and therefore something like the "Master Witch") were the entities of magic, Frey, the male symbol of life, was adequate to overwhelm both, death and femal power. For only through frey's phallus freyas fertility was to bear fruit.
The ancient romans also believed in the power of phallus symbols. In Pompeji archeologists have discovered Phalli everywhere - small statues of Priapos, Satyrs or other nature gods, amulets, even oil lamps...
The slogan "Fuck off" or "Fuck you" is truly deeply connected with the middle finger gesture... By the power of sexual intercourse you hushed evil spirits away - nowadays you just demonstrate them that they are a nuisance.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 09:58 PM

Flashing two fingers, whichever way round you do it, is much easier than one finger, on my hand anyway. I find I have to hold the index finger down with the thumb.

The easiest one is the two fingers facing out with the thumb as well, pointing at the other person. I berive it's widely used in some parts of the world to fend of evil, or to dfirect it at the other person.

Anyway, here is a link to anin depth study of all this stuff - Gestures: Their Origin and Meanings © Copyright Desmond Morris, Peter Collett, Peter Marsh and Marie O'Shaughnessy, 1979, compete with pictures.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 10:14 PM

I should point out that that's just one chapter from the book, which regrettably seems to be out of print - it's the chapter about the various meaning of sticking your thumb out. (The site is about hitchhiking, which explains why that chapter was seen as particularly relevant, since thumbing a lift can be a very insulting and dangerous gesture in some parts of the world.)

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: open mike
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 03:01 AM

surprised no one mentioned the archery-related topic recently making the rounds of e-mail lists which equated the finger removal of arch-rival archers to the term having to do with the type of wood used to construct archery bows--Yew wood. the act of shooting an arrow is one of plucking the yew--thus: pluck yew---it seems this little description also had some mention of the feather in the arrows and this supposedly having to do with why the single middle digit is called The Bird- as in "flipping....the bird...." some thing like that... from one of those e-mail forever forwarded blurbs that comes from who knows where and goes the same place...

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
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Date: 16 Nov 01 - 04:37 AM

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: 53
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 04:42 AM

it's the same thing as go eat shit with the araphoes. or nelly thought the cat shit was jelly and she ate it. it means exactly what it says, fuck off. BOB

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: GUEST,DrWord
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 04:42 AM

^Ooooops [again]

Re: Mousetheif's comment about one of the gestures in question being the manual letter T in American Sign Language. True. At a world congress of the deaf years ago [the '80s I recall, in Milan] the American manual alphabet was adopted for fingerspelling the roman alphabet except for T for which was substituted the Swedish manual letter T, because the gesture IS construed as rude in all of Europe.

Dennis

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: vectis
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 01:22 PM

'Go and see a taxidermist on your own behalf' is the best euphemism I remember hearing.
I think Jasper Carrot said it.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: AliUK
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 06:16 PM

This thing about stags being macho is a bit round the other way here in Brazil...to call someone a stag is to actually suggest that he is a homosexual.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 04:26 PM

So if you're in Brazil and you get invited to a stag night, it's not at all the same thing. Or maybe it really is.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: AliUK
Date: 18 Nov 01 - 11:55 PM

depends on your orientation I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: euphemism for 'fuck off'
From: Wotcha
Date: 19 Nov 01 - 10:04 PM

I prefer the Biblical "Go forth and multiply ..."

Net Mythology seems to have ascribed the entymology to Fornication Under Consent of the King ...

But the word apparently is not so bad, since ABC, a network TV channel in the States, broadcast during primtime, the unedited version of "Saving Private Ryan": FUBAR indeed!
Cheers,
Brian