Pearl Harbor Day

Subject: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Banjer
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 05:10 AM

Just a thought for December 7th...While all are busy working to overcome the 9/11 tragedy and helping to carry on in whatever way we can, let us not forget those who made the ultimate sacrifice 60 years ago today. I have seen or heard little mention this year of that fateful day and fear that with current events it will tend to be ovrlooked.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Devilmaster
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 05:15 AM

Good call. Time to sit back and watch Tora! Tora! Tora!

a Millions times better than that Pearl Harbour crap.

Osama should have listened to Yamamoto.
"I am afraid all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve"

Steve

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: gnu
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 05:19 AM

Lest we forget.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Hollowfox
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 08:29 AM

Amen.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: GUEST,jets
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 08:45 AM

I remember it well, Are there any other WW2 vets here on Mudcat?

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Allan C.
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 09:01 AM

Do a forum search on the word, PEARL, to find a number of other threads on this subject. You may have to sift through some Pearl Jam references and such, but some good ones are in there.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 09:08 AM

jets, I'd like to read your memories, if you'd like to post them. I've been listening to Pearl Harbor stuff on NPR etc, and am kind of surprised at how many of the survivors to whom they spoke compared PH to 9.11; I had seen that comparison before but it tended to be pooh-poohed. What is your opinion on that?

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: GUEST,Allan S.
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 09:53 AM

I was a Boy Scout air raid warden here in Connecticut. Still have my white helmut and certificate as a Junion Air raid warden. Yes we had blackouts and air raid drills here in WW-2 So even kids as young as 13 on were doing their bit. Also have a Boy Scout medal for collecting 2000 pounds of Waste paper for the war effort. It was used to make contaners for shells. Total mobalization here then

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 10:14 AM

I watched 'Pearl Harbor' for the 1st time at a friends the other evening.

Hollywood should be ASHAMED that they trivialised (yes, & LIED) about such an event to make a box-office 'love story'. 'Artistic licence' is one thing......BULLSHIT is another.

I felt the same way about 'Titanic'....but there are less people still living who were directly affected by that.

60, 80, or 100 years from now, will that be making something the same about the WTC attacks?

If they are, then it will only be because Society hasnt 'advanced' between now & then. I'd like to hope that it WILL.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 10:24 AM

60 years later it is more than worth the remembrance and with the events of 9/11 most are drawing on the similarities and differences in their coverage of Pearl Harbor this year. For me though, as a boy in the 50's, I remember the WWII vets such as my own Dad quite well and only a few weeks ago did it occur to me how many of them are gone and the young people today probably view them as we did the vets from WWI and before.

We have had some discussions about history and the movies here recently, but for all of their faults, at least Hollywood in their most recent WWII movies has used actors of a similar age.........Wars are fought by young men. I got to thinking how young the the youngest surviving vets might be........Assuming a young man could get some phony credentials or something and enlist at 16 as late as 1945, he could still have seen service in the Pacific and today he'd be 72. My dad would have been 82 this year.

I don't know why this has struck me the way it has this year, but they were a generation not to be forgotten.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: kendall
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 10:25 AM

It's Gods job to forgive Bin Laden. It is our job to arrange the meeting. (the u.s. army)

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 10:46 AM

Kendall - The Marines are the one credited with that saying - If you would like I'll post a letter here from a Recon Marine in Afghan - it was written November 11 - quite an interesting piece of literature.

My Dad is dead and he was a Tail Gunner in WW-II over Europe.

And soon we shall be gone too.

Steve

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Louie Roy
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 12:48 PM

Yes I remember Pearl Harbor very well.I was aboard the USS Enterprise CV 6 on that fatal day and the Enterprise was the only Ship that engaged the enemy with Navy Planes and these were sbds bombers.These planes did shoot down 2 Japaneese planes and the Japaneese did shoot down two of the SDDS but the rest of the squandron was shot down by the U.S gunners on the ground.The film Pearl Harbor is the biggest bunch of Bullshit that Hollywood ever out and should make any veteran of WW2 sick.We as a group should boycott this film for all the lies they exploit Louie Roy

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 01:02 PM

Some of the scars have been left on buildings at Hickam air base.
It's interesting to see the Japanese tourists at the Arizona Memorial.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: 53
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 03:05 PM

my dad was a veteran of ww2 and he was in the normandy landing. he was in the medic corps, and i just can't imagine what those men must of felt coming onshore on that day and they were still remembering pearl harbor and i will also until the day i die, yes the japs did awaken the sleeping giant, but let's make sure we don't get caught with our pants down again. BOB

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Chip2447
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 03:19 PM

Just a heartfelt thanks to all the men and women of that generation. Most of you left your decendents a better place.

For Granddad who answered the call in Africa and Europe, or Grandmom who kept the home fires burning.

THANK YOU ALL.
Chip2447

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Spud Murphy
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 05:52 PM

I enlisted 10Dec41 in the USMC at the age of 16 and from 06Nov42 to 06Dec42 was engaged in combat on Guadalcanal as a result of which some asshole from the Land of the Rising Sun stuck a bayonet in my left hand ruining forever any opportunity I may have had for becoming first chair for the New York Philharmonic. I got even with the decendants of the little S.O.B. though, every car I've bought since then has been a share-o-ray.

My grandson is a sergeant in the 3rd Marine Division and a Black Belt Instructor in karate and I believe the USMC is better trained and equipped than it's been for a long time butunfortunately there is always somebody around who wants to prove himself and commit suicide by taking on the fastest gun in town.

Comparing the Afghans to the Japanese, however, it is interesting to note that when the shit hit the fan, the Talaban hit the road, Wonder what happened to all that resolve to fight to the death and the longed for desire to achieve martyrdumb. As lacking in decency as they were, the Japanese had more staying power than that.

Finally,aslong as I've got your ear,- I worked in Afghanistan in 1947-48 for Morrison-Knudsen Co. Inc., building a road from Torkham, in the Khyber Pass, to Jalalabad and thence to Kabul. It was built with American Dollars. I suppose that now, because that road with its tunnels and bridges is blown up, that we will have to build them another, and while we're at it buy the cars and trucks to drive on it and the stuff to go in the trucks, too. I wonder why we (as a nation) keep going around the earth building roads and dams and arports and buildings for countries who don't appreciate us and don't protect or maintain what we give them, having spent the other money we gave them for that purpose on guns and terrorist training camps and then we have to go around later blowing it up ourselves.

Male Afghans, left to their own devices, are not industrious people, they are not trustworthy, and they are not possesed of great courage. TREAD WITH CAUTION!! Perhaps their women may have all the brains after all.

Happy Pearl Harbor Day to all!!

Spud

George MacClanahan Veterans' Home of California. And thank you for honoring me and others like me.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 07 Dec 01 - 07:55 PM

Semper Fi Spud - Chesty'd be proud -

Steve
USMC
62-67

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Kaleea
Date: 08 Dec 01 - 04:10 AM

Many humble thanks to Spud & Louie Roy and all of you others! My Grandad was in the Navy on Dec 7 all those many years ago. He came home, otherwise I wouldn't be here posting this. Many others obviously did not make it back. I have always remembered Dec 7, as I learned about it from Grandad, and I learned from Granny of the struggles of the families back in the states. Those families were heros too. When we Americans are attacked by an act of war, we all must rise up, arm in arm & defend our country in whatever way we can contribute to the cause. Thank a vet. Write to a soldier "over there." They are doing their jobs for you & I. We are wide awake now!

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day
From: Banjer
Date: 08 Dec 01 - 05:09 AM

The real shame is that it seems to take something like the events of December 7th, 1941 and September 11th, 2001(just two that are currently in our thoughts, there were others) to unite us as a country. If we could just figure some way that this pride in self and country could be carried on always, perhaps we could avoid some of the rough times.

But alas, it is not meant to be. Comparing the timespans between Pearl Harbor and 9/11 (60 years) and the span between the beginnig of our Civil War and our involvement in WWI, (61 years) not to mention all the wars and conflicts in between, Span Am, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm and others it seems we are doomed to repeat our history over and over again.