Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please

Subject: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: GUEST,TNDARLN at work
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 09:51 AM

Can someone please help me with the pronunciation for this:
Nollaig sona agut!
Many thanks and Nollaig sona agut to you!
T

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: GUEST,Nollaig
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 10:09 AM

We say Nollaig shona duit. Something like null-egg hunnah ditch. some people say dhuit (something like gitch). Stress on first syllables (though 'agut' would have more stress on the second syllable)
HAPPY NOEL TO YOU also.

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: GUEST,TNDARLN at work
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 12:06 PM

'Preciate that quick response! Thanks!

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: alison
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 08:09 PM

I would go for "dwitch" or "gwitch" for the last part

"noll-egg shunna gwitch"

Aine will probably be along soon to give you more advice

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From:
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 08:12 PM

In the Scottish Gaelic, we've got Merry Christmas as Nollaig Chridheil.

I would be saying it as Knowl-laik Kree-uhl. For "Dhuit" (to you), I'm used to saying it as Goot

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 08:20 PM

I am glad you posted George. TNDARLIN, because it is a worldwide forum, you should be more specific on the language. The only language that is properly called Gaelic is Scots Gaelic. The language of the Irish people is called An Ghaeilge. In english we would simply refer to the language as Irish. THE FAIR ONE has given you two good pronounciations for the last word. There are several different regional dialects (just as we have in the states) each with different pronounciations.

Mick

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: gnu
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:58 AM

So... where does my cousin get "Naulickg Shyohna" ? Is there ANY basis for his phonetics here ?

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: GUEST,TNDARLN at work
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 11:28 AM

Thanks again to all who have replied to my request. I have a book called "An Irish Night Before Christmas", [The author is Wexford-born Sarah Kirwan Blazek] that includes this line on the last page. I would never try to pronounce it w/o having asked. [and besides, I'm from the South -that's southern USA, y'all- and you know how we pronounce things anyway...]

Among the other things I cannot pronounce correctly is "An Ghaeilge", and I usually don't write using words that I cannot pronounce; while I do know to say "Gallic" for Scots Gaelic, I would probably just say "Scots". I meant no offense: perhaps I should have just put the line in question as the subject...and I'm glad for the incredible resource the Mudcat is. T

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 11:37 AM

Ah, but Scots is a different language. It is sometimes known as Doric or Broad Scots or High Scots. All mean the same thing. It's a language/dialect which is distinct from English and incorporates a number of Norse, French, Gaelic and older English forms.

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: GUEST,dreoilin
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 01:47 PM

Nollaig shona means simply happy Christmas and is pronounced Nollig Hunna. " Dhuit" means "to you" and has different pronunciations depending on the dialect. I would say "ghu-it".

Nollaig shona díbh!

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: GUEST,Inia
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 01:53 PM

See also the pronunciation guides at: http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/comann_ceilteach/home.htm and http://www.ibiblio.org/gaelic/

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: GUEST,Oor Wullie
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 06:22 AM

George,
What about Ulster Scots, then? The lied, Ah mean, no the fowke.
Wullie

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: GUEST,Annraoi
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 06:25 AM

Alison,
NIce to know you're still about. Will you be home for Christmas ?
Have a good one, in any case.
H.

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 08:23 AM

Sorry, Oor Willie, I don't know that version.

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: alison
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 09:55 PM

not this year Annaroi... my dad and sister were both over here this year..... don't see me going back for a few years yet!!

have a great Christmas

slainte

alison ([e-mail])

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: Áine
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 10:25 PM

Here's another 'spanner' to throw into the works ;-) -- I pronounce 'dhuit' with a Donegal accent, which means that the 'dhu' is not exactly a 'gwu' sound, but almost swallowed in the back of the throat. It's impossible to explain without hearing it; although, one of my students once described it as 'the sound a cat makes when it heaves a furball'. As for the 'it' on the end of 'dhuit', I pronounce that like the English word 'itch'.

-- Áine

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: Fiolar
Date: 16 Dec 01 - 08:51 AM

Aine: I recall when I sat my Inter Cert more years ago than I care to remember that the Irish paper for that year contained an extract from a book by Seamus O Grianna better known as "Maire." It was in Donegal Irish and to us poor Munster people seemed almost incomprehensible. Luckily we did make some headway in it, but I think that there were questions asked in the Dail later about the reason for it. Nollaig Faoi Mhaise Dhuit.

Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please
From: GUEST,Keltes
Date: 16 Dec 01 - 04:46 PM

I speak Munster dialect and Nollaig Shona is promounced Null-ig hunna and dhuit would sound as gwit. That is as near as I can get it for you, as you would really have to hear it spoken . I will be at the following E-Mail address for the next thirty six hours only( as I am leaving for Ireland !), so If you want to hear it spoken in my dialect e-mail me and let me have your tel nr and I will ring you and let you hear what it sounds like: [e-mail] Dont worry I'm a 54 year old female and I am seriously NOT into any smutty stuff, so it is safe to contact me. Good luck and best wishes for Christmas. Keltes.