Subject: Melodeon comparisson From: English Jon Date: 09 Jan 02 - 07:39 AM Mid price Italian boxes: which is better? Mengascini D212E Castagnari Lily Reason I'm asking is I'm thinking of swap/trading one for t'other. Got my own ideas, based on what little I know about boxes. Any thoughts? Cheers, English Jon
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Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: English Jon Date: 09 Jan 02 - 07:41 AM And that's not how you spell Komparisun is it. Bugger. EJ |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: Skipjack K8 Date: 09 Jan 02 - 08:50 AM Salterelle does it for me, Jon, but I'm only a part time melodeon squeezer. Skipjack |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: Les from Hull Date: 09 Jan 02 - 08:55 AM I've very happy with my Serenellini Cloud (D/G three voice) |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: Shuffer Date: 09 Jan 02 - 08:57 AM I have a Salterelle Nuage and a Castignari Lilly. The Salterelle obviously gives a mucher fuller sound with the three voices but for responsiveness the Castignari with its hand made reeds is far superior if a little thin only having one voice |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: mooman Date: 09 Jan 02 - 08:57 AM I'm sure I remember talking a bit of Italian box exotica with Spot the Dog and others at last year's Yorkshire Gathering (I'm personally a complete divv when it comes to squeezable things with the notable exceptions of Patrish and Noreen) but I can't remember the makes involved now. He may be able to help. mooman |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: mooman Date: 09 Jan 02 - 09:00 AM Ah yes...that's it..the other person was Les from Hull and it was a Serenellini! A very fine-sounding instrument indeed. mooman |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: English Jon Date: 09 Jan 02 - 09:49 AM All lovely boxes gentlemen. I like the saltarelles and serenellinis a lot (played a nimbus 2 1/2 row 12 bass a couple of years ago - fantastic). If money were no object though, there's a brandoni 2 row I have half an eye on. However, this particular question is specific to the 2 models above, as that's what I'm dealing with here. Basically, I've been offered a trade on my mengascini (which is a great sound but a bit sluggish to respond) against the lilly (faster and louder, but left hand tone not so good, IMHO). Cheers, Jon |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: GUEST,Spot (at the kennels) Date: 09 Jan 02 - 12:12 PM Never played a Cast.Lilly or Mengascini so I can't offer much by way of experienced advice but my limited knowledge leans me towards the faster hand made reed instruments. I love my Cast.Tommy 3VC for its right hand speed and 3rd bass reed but it lacks the full bass chords of my Dino Baffetti. All in All it's nice to have more than one coz they all have their own different characters and it's nice to play horses for courses. I particularly like to use the Hohner Polkerwork for song accompaniment , probably because the wet tuning hides the multitude of sins in my voice!!! Having read what I have written I realise it is no help whatsoever so I would go for the Cast. Lilly if only for the resale value. Spot |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: folkmonster Date: 09 Jan 02 - 12:18 PM What is wet tuning? I always thought it took a bastard file and a fortnight to tune a melodeon ... |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: Les from Hull Date: 09 Jan 02 - 01:09 PM Many free-reed instruments use two sets of reeds which are tuned nearly the same to get a 'tremolo' effect. Wet tuning means that the reeds are further apart than dry tuning. It's favoured by morris players as it carries better outdoors. Dry tuning is favoured by Irish players (who prefer to stay in the pub). With some boxes with knobs on the top to control the voices you can sort of shift between wet and dry by selecting the second voice fully or partly. You're right though, melodeons are a bastard to tune. |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: Manitas_at_home Date: 09 Jan 02 - 03:35 PM I would favour Dino Baffetti over the others with Italian boxes. I now play an Oakwood but I guess you don't want to spend that much and wait that long. Have you considered Cairdin? The standard range is quite reasonably priced. |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: awig Date: 30 Aug 02 - 08:59 AM From my experience, preference for wet/dry tuning comes from personal habit or fashion more than the the any percieved notion of one style being better for morris or Irish sessions. With the "trading up" of instruments over the years there are now masses of Italian boxes played for morris. In my opinion the little Dino Baffetti black pearl (yes, that's what I play) is a morris instrument par excellance. The tuning is what they call "swing" which is somewhere between totally dry and Hohner type tremolo. Though, to my ear, closer to a dry tuning. It's small, light, responsive and can be extremely loud. It's also responsive enough to be played at a nice volume to fit in with other instruments in a session. I played for a local Northwest Morris side where we had three of these little Baffetti's often with a six peice drum section. Brilliant! As for Irish sessions. There are plenty of people who come to my local Irish session (mostly of Irish descent) who play the "big red Paolo Soprani" style of button accordeon with so much tremolo that it seems to drip out of the instrument. One of the regulars has been fascinated by my Baffetti (she hasn't seen anything like it in their Irish musical circle) and the last I heard was making enquiries about dry or swing tuned button accordeons. The fashion with professional Irish musicians seems now to be with dry tuned instruments, but not everyone plays them and the fashion may change back again. Andrew. |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: Hawker Date: 30 Aug 02 - 09:42 AM I have a Lily - a lovely instrument, I have no experience of the other model, so couldn't comment, as stated the Lily is a single voice and can be a little different to listen to. Mt Father in Law plays his Lily a lot, he says it is an old man's instrument on the theory that with it being small, it is easier to lift and play than his Paulo Soprani! The lily is very responsive, and sweet sounding, easy to carry and a great little box, perhaps someone with knowledge of the other may have their opinion! Cheers, Lucy |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: squeezebox-kc Date: 22 Mar 08 - 02:04 PM with melodeons it is a case of one to suit the need, my Dino Baffetti gran Lusso with the dance band,or the V Soprani with GDA and stradella bass, the bussilasio GC for song or softer sound the Hohner corona GDA outside with sword team Paola Soprani elite GD as you say dripping wet tremolo Paola Club CF just for the hell of it Delecia Populac GD just to make you appreciate the other choices. have played the newer boxes but can't get used to a stepped keyboard but like the sound |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: banjoman Date: 25 Mar 08 - 07:04 AM All melodeons suck |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: GUEST Date: 25 Mar 08 - 07:11 AM only when opening the bellows otherwise they blow. |
Subject: RE: Melodeon comparisson From: treewind Date: 25 Mar 08 - 10:34 AM I don't know anything about the Mengascini. But I'd agree with Jon that the Lilly is fast, loud and has a rather quacky bass. It's a very nice box but I certainly wouldn't want it to be my only one. Anahata (Very happy with his Oakwood and Saltaralle, not to mention 1-rows in C, D and G) |
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