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Gareth 05 Feb 02 - 02:11 PM
GUEST,Boab 06 Feb 02 - 02:52 AM
Mr Red 06 Feb 02 - 10:23 AM
Red Eye 06 Feb 02 - 02:05 PM
Red Eye 06 Feb 02 - 02:06 PM
GUEST,Phil. 06 Feb 02 - 03:13 PM
Red Eye 07 Feb 02 - 01:34 AM
Lanfranc 07 Feb 02 - 09:51 AM
DougR 08 Feb 02 - 12:45 AM
Sonnet 08 Feb 02 - 04:52 AM
GUEST,Stavanger Bill 08 Feb 02 - 05:54 AM
Red Eye 08 Feb 02 - 01:09 PM
DougR 08 Feb 02 - 02:09 PM
Red Eye 08 Feb 02 - 07:51 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Gareth
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 02:11 PM

No Doug, we lived through it.

Gareth

And the pit head baths are a supermarket now


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 02:52 AM

Mr Redeye-----the "fool" to whom you so derisively refer was branded a liar for making the statement that Thatcher was about to close TWENTY coal mines. The miners went on strike., and manned the picket lines. I know a miner who said "hello' to his nephew on one of these pickets; he was a young soldier dressed up in a police uniform---without a number on his hat. The "fool's" forecast turned out to be wrong; she didn't close twenty pits---she closed nearly ALL of them.[And that by the way, is from somebody who is NOT an admirer of Scargill---but who likes the truth to be told.] My "axis of evil" for the period---Thatcher, Reagan and Rupert Murdoch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 10:23 AM

Good Job I didn't mention Poll Tax, now there's a thought - charge her a "coucil" tax wherever it is housed.
I remember nooses on show at the miners conference, and concrete beams through Taxi windscreens, not to mention servered break hoses. Scargill did not inspire the gentlemen of this world.
Maggie was a cynical aggressive antagonist, whereas Scargill was .......... well you work it out. They both live comfortably enough thankyou very much.
Their difference? He wanted to be a political force, she was.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 02:05 PM

No they didn't go on strike they illegally left their place of work and intimidate thousands of colleagues into no going. The soldiers were employed to keep the peace at the illegal picket lines. Mr £450,000 house Scargill was a bully who thought he and his cohorts were above the law. Those pits needed shutting because of the financial losses being incurred. Indeed Budge Mining Co brought many of these defunct, unsafe places of work and are still unable to make any type of profit. Where are the thousands of ex coal workers now Boab? Sitting pretty on their £50,000 redundancy payments which I am still paying for through my taxes. Thatcher took on the bullies and won, as she did with the car worker and the steel worker. Admit it she was the best leader this country had for the time she was in power. She brought you all there is good in Britain today, by being a powerful woman and a leader. You shhould be proud you lived under her rule as it will never be repeated. Then again, it doesn't have to does it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 02:06 PM

No they didn't go on strike they illegally left their place of work and intimidate thousands of colleagues into no going. The soldiers were employed to keep the peace at the illegal picket lines. Mr £450,000 house Scargill was a bully who thought he and his cohorts were above the law. Those pits needed shutting because of the financial losses being incurred. Indeed Budge Mining Co brought many of these defunct, unsafe places of work and are still unable to make any type of profit. Where are the thousands of ex coal workers now Boab? Sitting pretty on their £50,000 redundancy payments which I am still paying for through my taxes. Thatcher took on the bullies and won, as she did with the car worker and the steel worker. Admit it she was the best leader this country had for the time she was in power. She brought you all there is good in Britain today, by being a powerful woman and a leader. You shhould be proud you lived under her rule as it will never be repeated. Then again, it doesn't have to does it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,Phil.
Date: 06 Feb 02 - 03:13 PM

Well Red Eye, that's sounds a bit of a twist of facts to me. Yes they closed the mines down because they couldn't make a 'profit'. But what is a profit? Now we import coal from god knows where, we have no strategic resource to fall back on if things in the wider world go wrong, and we have to pay ex miners welfare etc. I think if you add up the real costs, the closure of the mines was a disaster. It had a lot to do with MT's desire to crush the miners at any cost. German and French mines still run at a loss, I wonder why they keep them open, both Countries have far higher standards of living than we do? I don't think £50000 goes that far if you haven't a job!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 01:34 AM

Well at the moment this country is nearing full employment for all, except the lazy sroungers who would rather sit on their arses and not bother. Profits are not important in a state owned company, I agree, but to run them at very heavy losses is not viable, is it? Thereason you are now living in a low income tax nation is because of her policies on WASTE! The Poll Tax was a brilliant idea from the M T era. Making people pay for the services they use, what's wrong with that? An eighteen year old person uses the pavement and lighting. They create rubbish to be disposed of. They use parks and recreational facilities provide by LA.etc, etc, etc. Why should I pay for them because I have got a Band F house? Ridiculous state of affairs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Lanfranc
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 09:51 AM

Red Eye, your eyes appear to match your neck, and are about as perceptive!

In answer to the question posed; find an industrial wastland anywhere in Britain and stand it there, among the ruined buildings, the smashed machinery, the mud and the ghosts of workers past.

"Si monumentum requieris, circumspice!"

(If you require her monument, look around you - sorry, Wren)

See also the "Why is the UK in such a mess" thread.

Alan


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: DougR
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 12:45 AM

Yep, Red Eye, your are real insensitive. Why in the world do you see things as they are? How insistive of you! Oh, Lanfranc pointed it out to me! Why didn't I see it sooner? You are not only a Red Eye, you are a Red Neck!

Thanks Lanfranc, for pointing that out.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Sonnet
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 04:52 AM

I was just wondering which part of Barnsley Red Eye is from??????????

Janet


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: GUEST,Stavanger Bill
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 05:54 AM

From Manitas at home - we've had:

"Perhaps next to Cromwell who was pretty much hated as well.

BTW, isn't it ironic that his statue is there as an upholder of parliamentary rights when he did more to destroy parliament than Charles ever did."

Facts anyone? 1. The period of Cromwell, or the Commonwealth lasted from around 1639 to 1660, when the Stuarts were restored.

2. After the Restoration the Stuarts lasted until about 1703, when they were replaced by the House of Hanover.

Question: Who was it that brought about the replacement - Parliament - Therefore was Parliament made stronger during the Commonwealth period at the expense of the power of the monarchy, or was it weakened as Manitas at home suggests.

Personal opinion: As Royal households go, the Stuarts, collectively, were the biggest shower of tossers ever put on the planet.

Red Eye, in one of his posts above said: "Those pits needed shutting because of the financial losses being incurred."

This elicited the response from GUEST Phil:

"Yes they closed the mines down because they couldn't make a 'profit'. But what is a profit? Now we import coal from god knows where, we have no strategic resource to fall back on if things in the wider world go wrong, and we have to pay ex miners welfare etc."

Red Eye was perfectly correct. GUEST Phil, you are a salesman dream - someone who is prepared to pay £75 for what you can get for £8.

Some questions for you GUEST Phil 1. Just prior to the Miners Strike what was the average cost of a ton of British coal? Compare that to the cost of a ton of coal imported from Poland and from Australia. I think you would be surprised.

2. Today, what would we be using all this coal for had the mines remained open? Power? Heating? Sorry Phil, even before the strike Natural Gas had taken those markets away.

3. The UK has one of the lowest levels of unemployment in Europe - Are you telling us that all those miners and workers employed in industries associated with what was the mining industry are still unemployed and have been sitting round on their backsides for 17 years! Don't think so, they're better men than that and always have been.

Maggies statue? She certainly deserves one, longest serving British Prime Minister in the 20th century, she achieved a great deal in terms of domestic, economic and international terms - no she didn't get it all right, but there again can anybody tell me anybody that has?

And before I get flamed for the above I would ask all of the lady's detractors to tell us about how marvellous Britain was prior to 1979. There is another thread running at the moment "Why is the UK such a mess". One point of discussion is the NHS. In the same Red Eye posted quoted above he made a comment that at the time of the miners strike, "Mr £450,000 house Scargill was a bully who thought he and his cohorts were above the law." It wasn't just Scargill and the miners - I can remember another union that represented hospital porters, they went on strike. Their picket line decided on whether or not you were sick enough to be admitted to hospital. Garbage piled high in the streets (Dustmans Strike); the three day week; Rail and Postal stikes at the drop of a hat; inflation through the roof; unemployment rising; IMF loans - Oh yes Britain was such a wonderful place before Maggie arrived on the scene.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 01:09 PM

Thanks for your words of support Bill, this country must have the biggest load of knockers the world has ever seen. They see bad in anythig good and try to pull it to bits. We are masters of this. Dead right regarding the unions power in realtion to the country. People only striked when they were afraid of what may happen to them selves, family or property. Thatcher brought some sanity into industial relations and brought back some pride into being British.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: DougR
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 02:09 PM

A very interesting and informative post, Stavanger Bill.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher's statue
From: Red Eye
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 07:51 PM

Attention Lanfranc but yes I have had a good look around me and if what I see is a monumennt to the Thatcher era then she would be very pleased with her handiwork.


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