*#1 PEASANT* Thank you

Subject: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Kernow John
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 03:04 AM

Just to say thanks for the Lyr Ads. I logged on this morning and thought it must be Christmas not Easter.
A magnificent effort.
Thanks again. K.John

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 03:27 AM

Ditto.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Terry K
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 03:28 AM

Conrad, your Beuk continues to be brilliant. I know some people here try to give you a hard time but I've never seen any justification for it. Keep up the good work.

Cheers, Terry

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 04:06 AM

For this, Much Thanks.
or, my initial ressponse, "WOW!"

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: IanC
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 05:56 AM

Yes, well done from me too!

It'd be nice to see the whole of Ritson in one place, though ... pity the electronic books people don't seem to be interested in him. He was one of the best early collectors, taking his material from all sources and, unlike most of the Scottish collectors of his time, not troubling to alter the words.

Cheers!
Ian

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Noreen
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 06:36 AM

Yup- and can I request that you post some sort of a combined thread which links to all the related lyrics you have just posted, please? Will make them easier to find in future.

Noreen

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 07:51 AM

I put in a thread with the main address where all of the songs are to be found. Eventually they will become hopefully a part of the dt and be found there.... The main page is: Click here for the sang beuk

The songs are all listed on one index page which you can reach from the first page. There are also links to an index of names and images and backgrounds of writers characters and performers.

Thanks for all the kind words. It is important to have all of these songs in one place-that is the goal. Eventually too some analysis and when time permits an index of names mentioned in the songs. And of course more tunes....

I have just located an affordable copy of allen which will replace my dog eared xerox copy. There are a bunch of songs from that source which were not included on the first pass through. Then there is the completion of the armstrong collection. Joe Wilson.....well that is an epic. I will probably do some more of his before taking a break and going to Armstrong. Then back to allen.

The important thing is not just getting the songs together in one set but getting people to play and perform them. Install a song in a few minds and there you have done something important.

So that is up to you....help pass along the news and encourage performance. Some of these things are such wonderful treasures - way over due for performance especially now that newcastle broon is available in so many places. That is how this started. I was drinking a pint of broon and being forced to listen to Irish music. The folks drinking the broon along with me in the place did not know a single song I cited and sung. So there it is.....

Of course this project is funded out of my beer budget. So......any assistance will go right to keeping my mouth wet.

Conrad

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: MMario
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 08:05 AM

conrad - are there tunes with these latest?

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: alison
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 08:38 AM

Brilliant conrad, thanks...


follow the link to his site MMario you'll find all the notation and MIDIs.....


slainte

alison

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: little john cameron
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 09:11 AM

Aye,great bit o work,ye cannae let these sang fade awa.Ah'm sorry ah never listened tae mah Grannie as she wis aye singin while she sat at the sink peelin tatties an' stuff.The trouble wis she had a voice like a strangled cat an' sang at tap volume regardless o' whit kind o' sang it wis,as is the Glesca method. ljc

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Willie-O
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 09:15 AM

Well of course she sang at tap volume. She was at the sink!

ouch!!!

W-O

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: MMario
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 09:27 AM

I was wondering about the latest batch - for which (on my browser at least) no midis or abc are shown; wondered if they were "lyrics only" or just conrad hasn't had a chance yet.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 09:41 AM

Looking as I am at a large mountain of lyrics to come notation will be a bit longer.... Another problem is that while tunes are cited they are not included with original texts of the lyrics. They will have to be searched up..... As I get to the armstrong lot they come with notation and I will generate that and midi and abc as I transcribe them. But....tis the season. Actually I am in between projects. I am transcribing all plays relating to Guy Fawkes and the Gunpowder Plot starting in 18th century. The British Library sent me a wrong batch of copies#!$##@! One of their employees from the subcontinent eventually was shown the light over a very long transatlantic call@!#@!@!@!# and so the originals are'nt here yet. Then I am also waiting on the artcar parts- mannequin hands coming from all over the country via ebay orders and they arent here either. Also poor weather for artcar work outside....and on it goes.... I am supposed to be writing a book on Wassail song which was doing well as fodder for pre taxes procrastination but now that taxes are done it is now the subject of procrastination. Just helping with my daughter's study of procrastination (they call it social studies projects- skillfully disguised.) We had to do a model of a part of an arabian desert....sandy topic...

So look for some more in the near future and thanks for all the interest. I am convinced that it is always better to get a collection up on line for use and comment than to keep it in the file folder.

Conrad

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: MMario
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 09:48 AM

Thanks for replying Conrad - believe me I know matching tunes up to lyrics can be tough and time consuming!

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 09:55 AM

Conrad, who owns the copyrights to the songbooks you take songs from and post on your website? Are they being used with their permission?

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: MMario
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:05 AM

Joe Wilson, Tyneside Songs and Drolleries - published 1886

The Northumberland Garland;or Newcastle Nightingale., Joseph Ritson, Newcastle, MDCCXCIII , Harding and Wright, London,1809.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:15 AM

They've been in print since then, MMario, and someone likely owns the copyrights, and is entitled to receiving credit where it is really due--which isn't to Conrad, who just rips off other peoples' work, and posts it on a website, claiming credit for himself.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: MMario
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:20 AM

yes - but the lyrics and the tunes (where included) would NOT be in copyright. Now if he was including original commentary from later editions - then he would be in copyright violation.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:27 AM

We take care to consult all the versions available and sometimes the source cited is but one of many. Additionally we stick to public domain material. We even compose our own midi and notation which are often combinations of versions available. Our pages are also provided at no fee for free no money no profit. Conrad

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:29 AM

Conrad?

Who owns the copyrights to the collections you have taken songs from and posted on your website, and are they being used with permission?

Pretty straightforward question which Conrad is perfectly capable of answering for himself.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:31 AM

You didn't answer the question Conrad. All the material on your website is clearly not in the public domain.

So where are your copyright and used by permission symbols?

Since you do this with your beer money, I trust you haven't done much research on these issues?

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:33 AM

All sources are clearly cited where available. Issue well researched thanks! All for now! CB

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:36 AM

Oh I'm sure that is "all for now" Conrad--and you will disappear into the ethers of the web...

Issues I'm speaking of get well researched by people with expertise in the field of copyright law, not beer guzzling bigots who pilfer other people's work.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: IanC
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:41 AM

GUEST

What's your hangup? would you like to cite ONE CLEAR EXAMPLE?

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST,maryrrf
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:51 AM

I tried to click on the link and it said the site was down. I hope this isn't because of "Guest's" needling. I'm getting really tired of these "Guest's" and I wish they'd identify themselves or at least be polite. Conrad was trying to do something nice for people and he received a lot of insults because of it. I hope he doesn't take that as representative of all Mudcatters because "guest" apparently isn't even a member.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 01:22 PM

Quick links to recent Lyr Add posts by #1Peasant. Hopefuly these will be helpful.

1. Aw wish Yor Fethur Wes Here
2. Aw've Lost Me Bonny Lad
3. Bella Ramsey's Lad
4. Bessie Walker
5. Careless Jack
6. The Chep that Knaws
7. Dinnet Let Words Myek Ye
8. Divvent Bother Us
9. Eckys Mare
10. The Felton Garland
11. The Gallowgate Lad's Wedding
12. Grainger Street
13. The Insipids
14. The Jesmond Pic Nic
15. Jiggin Doon the Shore
16. The Laidley Worm
17. Meggie Bell
18. Midford Galloway's Ramble
19. Ne Wark
20. The Noodle and Rifleman's Dispute
21. On the First Rebellion
22. Prepare for whats te cum
23. Pride
24. The Return of the Gallowgate Lad
25. Ride Through Sandgate
26. Sawney Ogilby's Duel With His Wife
27. Sunday Neets At Jesmond Gardens
28. Sword Dancers
29. Ungrateful Bill
30. When Good Luck Shows its Fyece
31. Whispirin
32. Wor Peg's Trip to Tynemouth

Links to related threads

Help: Beuk of Newcassel Sangs-additions
geordie north east song resource
Conrad "#1PEASANT" Bladeys world
Beuk of Newcassel Sangs

John

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Noreen
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 01:44 PM

Thank you, John.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST,#2
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 03:01 PM

Guest's use of the word bigot speaks volumes. Personal issues obviously overshadow substantive issues of copyright law, here.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 05:30 PM

Seems I missed a couple in previous post of Quick links to recent Lyr Add posts by #1Peasant.

Apologies.

Mistriss Taylor's Poisin
That Factory Lass

John

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 05:52 PM

Please, don't take my word for it that Conrad is a bigot. Go ask about him on the Irish traditional music list, and see what response you get.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 06:44 PM

let us please try to keep the issues separate. If you disagree with someone's politics or attitude, fine....but not NOW.

This thread should be about the songs! If *I* had posted those songs, would there be anonymous carping?

Debate the copyrights, if you must...learn the songs if you wish...but save the personal attacks for the appropriate time!

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Snuffy
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 06:50 PM

Does being a bigot mean you can't be anything else as well, like a father, a husband, a worker, a singer, a musician?

Bigotry may be part of him, but there's more to him (and everybody else) than that. By all means slam him for bigotry when he diplays it over Ireland. But the only bigotry in this thread is from Guest.

Conrad deserves congratulations here for posting neglected and forgotten songs from the North Eastern heritage for us all to enjoy. Disgust at his personal opinions in no way invalidate what he has done here.

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Gareth
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 07:04 PM

Disreagarding the Anon Guest, who ability to type outreaches the ability of his brain, and his ability to actually read the small print on your website, I say,

Well done, Butty !

Gareth

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 07:41 PM

And what's so special about the Irish traditional list, guest? But you run with the crowd, if that's where you're happy.

As someone who has been pleased to defend Conrad's right to a hearing (yes, on Irish matters too, Snuffy) I am equally pleased to say he's done a splendid job with all these lyrics, as he has done so many times before. And it really doesn't matter a damn to me that he was born into a different tradition from some of us.

As our friends across the duckpond might say, way to go, Conrad! The more our faceless guests mewl and puke, the more I like it.

My only problem with this thread is that it made me feel guilty for taking Conrad's latest offerings for granted without thinking to send a word of thanks myself.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 04:06 AM

May I join the big thankyou.

GUESTs dislike-or-like-all-of-it/him argumentation could be very 'useful' in other fields of value judgements as well: How dare you say he sings well, have you not smelled his body odor? Her play on the guitar is completely devalued by her bad choice of socks colour.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 05:39 AM

Nice stuff Conrad - and the hard work entailed is not unappreciated as the others have said. Thank you.

Guest - Your opinion matters because???

Cheers

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST,Mikey joe
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 08:14 AM

Like other Conrad I don't agree with many of your posts. It is however your opinion and you are entitled to it. In this case good stuff with the songs

Mj

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 09:22 AM

Oh, poor Conrad. So persecuted for his excellent song scholarship stealing other people's work, the Mudcat net ninnies and nannies must come to his defense.

The Lemon Lyman syndrome in action!

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST,maryrrf
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 09:30 AM

Now I'm curious. What is this Irish Traditional Music list everybody is talking about. Is it a Mudcat thread???

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:15 PM

It is a mailing list you must subscribe to, which originates from the National University Cork in Ireland.

You can read only on the archive web site, but must join to contribute.

Conrad was booted off the list a number of years back for his blatantly bigoted, misogynist, and generally sociopathic behavior by the listserv owner at NUI Cork.

But go ahead and keep smoochin' his butt, Mudcatters. Shows the kind of taste y'all share.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: MMario
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:23 PM

Conrad has been raked over the coals here as well in the past - and probably will be in the future. However - he does sign his posts.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 03:33 PM

Conrad has often contributed songs in great quantity here and, like now, was thanked accordingly. As most are aware, copyright problems are not a factor on the forum. But to add some additional musical content here, let me suggest that the following is especially appropriate in Conrad's case:

On her way to work one mornin down the path alongside the lake,
A kindly-hearted woman saw a poor half-frozen snake.
His pretty-colored skin had been all frosted with the dew,
"Poor thing," she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you."

Chorus:
"Take me in, tender woman,
Take me in for heaven's sake
Take me in tender woman,"
Said the snake.

She wrapped him up all cozy in her comforter of silk,
And laid him by her fireside with honey and some milk.
She hurried home from work that night and as soon as she arrived,
She found that pretty snake she'd taken in had been revived.

Chorus

She clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried,
"But if I hadn't brought you in, by now you might have died."
She stroked his pretty skin again and kissed and held him tight.
Instead of saying thanks, the snake gave her a vicious bite.

Chorus

"I saved you," cried the woman, "and you bit me now, but why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm gonna die."
"Oh shut up you silly woman," said the reptile with a grin,
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in"


Spaw

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: maire-aine
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 11:39 PM

Touché, Spaw.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 06:46 AM

So can you link to any example of how Conrad fits the lyrics, Spaw?

Ironic that our guest whines about net nannies and ninnies, here at an open and un-moderated forum, yet is willing to cite the NUI Cork forum in his condemnation of Conrad. Open-minded? Tolerant of free speech? It is probably moderated by the ghost of John Charles McQuaid.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 11:23 AM

Net nanny and ninny dynamics are about the (well documented and widely parodied) social behaviors of groups on the Internet, whether moderated or not.

Please see the excellent Flame Warrior website as an illustrative example.

This week's television show "The West Wing" (referred to above), commented upon some of those asocial? anti-social? sociopathic? behaviors in a wryly humorous way. Just because most here aren't self-aware enough to realize how their behaviors echo Internet behaviors often parodied elsewhere, doesn't mean they aren't engaging in those behaviors. This forum is classic textbook case, in that regard.

Irtrad forum is not moderated, BTW.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 12:53 PM

OK, it's not moderated. We just get told how to behave. And Conrad got kicked out for no good reson. In fact he's worth ten of those left behind, and that's not counting his knowledge of north-eastern stuff.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Kernow John
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 05:15 PM

How the *!## did a simple thank you turn into this tirade?
Makes you wonder if starting a thread is worthwhile these days. Think I'll stick to a pm in future.
My apologies *#1 PEASANT* for subjecting you to this.
KJ

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 05:42 PM

Jon, I'm not sure where all of the hostility comes from specifically, but Conrad stepped on some toes during one or more of our frequent discussions of the IRA and the troubles.

He does seem to know his stuff regarding the Orange song tradition, and I'm glad you took the time to thank him.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 05:05 PM

And not only the Orange tradition, Lonesome. Read his posts. As for stepping on toes, those toes were pathetically sensitive, and his remarks were masterpieces of constraint compared with the brainless abuse that came back at him from people who should have known better. Of course Spaw may yet turn up some examples of Conrad's poisonous streak, but I won't hold my breath.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Amergin
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 05:56 PM

well i seem to remember when the #1 pissant equated Ian Paisley to Martin Luther king jr.....

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Jeri
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 06:51 PM

I've had run-in's with Conrad on newsgroups. He has been quite a good troll in the past, and I strongly oppose most of the opinions he's expressed and the way he's expressed them.

Having said that, the man hasn't posted anything offensive here in quite a while. He HAS posted numerous wonderful song lyrics. He's done far more good recently than any number of folks who can't seem to keep from indulging their hateful impulses and sharing their vendettas with the rest of us. Frankly, I'm sick of watching the bloodsport.

Thank you for posting the songs, Conrad.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 09:37 PM

like Jeri said.......Conrad, like many folks, has many facets, and has been taken to task for some of them....but the songs are good to see, and if you do not want to stoop to thanking him, try saying nothing.

Subject: RE: *#1 PEASANT* Thank you
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Apr 02 - 12:42 AM

Fionn, anything I reference you will simply say I'm wrong........that's a ludicrous game and there is no winner. I said that Conrad deserved thanks in this case and that he was getting it as he had when he had posted lyrics before. Jeri and Bill are both quite right and I do agree.

But if you were to borrow a car from me that I felt had a brake problem, I would feel oblogated to mention it......same with Conrad. Maybe there will never be another problem for any of us......maybe there will. He got his thanks......I mentioned the brake problem. I'm finished with it.....unless the pedal goes to the floor.

Spaw