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Subject: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Jock Morris Date: 30 Mar 02 - 01:12 PM It has just been announced that HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother has died peacefully in her sleep. Whether you love or hate the royal family, most people in the UK seem to have liked the old girl. May she rest in peace. Scott |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: ciarili Date: 30 Mar 02 - 01:18 PM They'll miss her, and so will her delightful little corgies.... |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: gnu Date: 30 Mar 02 - 01:21 PM A sad day indeed. RIP. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST,Princess Di fan Date: 30 Mar 02 - 01:27 PM A sad day? No, a happy one. You may have thought she was a cute old lady, but she was vicious and responsible for turning Princess Diana's life into a nightmare. May she rot in pieces. ding dong the witch is dead |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 30 Mar 02 - 01:33 PM My sincerest codolances to the entire U.K.
She always looks so wonderful each Easter; had she been ill? |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Genie Date: 30 Mar 02 - 01:54 PM Kinda sad--she was the best thing about the Royal Family, I think--but 101 (or was it 102?) years is a nice long run, and I don't think anyone expected her to stick around a lot longer. [Didn't she get really sick right before her last birthday? I doubt that the quality of her life would have kept up for many more years.] Genie |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 30 Mar 02 - 01:59 PM From the Financial Times - London
(Reuters) - March 30 2002 18:30 LONDON (Reuters) - The Queen Mother, the 101-year-old mother of Britain's Queen Elizabeth, died in her sleep on Saturday, Buckingham Palace said.
The Queen Mother, the widow of King George VI and a rock of support behind her eldest daughter Queen Elizabeth, 75, died after a period of increasing frailty.
Buckingham Palace said: "The Queen, with the greatest sadness, has asked for the following announcement to be made immediately.
"Her beloved mother, Queen Elizabeth, died peacefully in her sleep this afternoon, at Royal Lodge, Windsor."
Her death adds personal tragedy to a succession of domestic traumas suffered by the royal family in recent years, most recently the death on February 9 of her younger daughter, Princess Margaret at the age of 71.
The "Queen Mum," as she was affectionately known, was the queen consort during World War Two and was the devoted companion of King George, who unexpectedly became king after his brother Edward VIII abdicated in 1936 to marry American divorcee Wallis Simpson.
Nazi Germany's Adolf Hitler branded her the most dangerous woman in Europe for her morale boosting contribution to the British war effort after she refused to leave London to escape the wartime attacks called the "Blitz" and visited areas of the city damaged by bombing.
To younger generations of Britons she was the nation's favorite grandmother, a smiling presence who was still carrying out public duties into her centenary.
Left a widow in 1952, she became the matriarch of the royal House of Windsor and enjoyed a position as one of the best-loved members of the royal family, her popularity undimmed by the scandals of recent years affecting other royals.
A Scottish aristocrat, she married the then Duke of York in 1923. In her service to the crown as duchess, queen consort and dowager, she is credited with bringing the old imperial monarchy closer to the people.
Sincerly,
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: katlaughing Date: 30 Mar 02 - 02:01 PM Just watching live coverage on BBC America. Sad, indeed. I always enjoyed seeing her and hearing what she had to say. She always looked so cheerful and indomitable at the same time. I've just heard them say she was not just the "sweet, little old lady" she looked, that she was "steel in a velvet glove." With all she lived throu and what was expected of her, I'd say it served her well to be that way. RIP, Queen Mum, kat |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Don Firth Date: 30 Mar 02 - 02:32 PM The Queen Mum was a Grand Lady. Strength and dignity all the way. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: NELLIE Date: 30 Mar 02 - 02:49 PM Thank you for all your nice comments about our beloved Queen Mother. Jenny |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: katlaughing Date: 30 Mar 02 - 02:51 PM Thanks, Gargoyle, for posting that piece. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Giac Date: 30 Mar 02 - 03:10 PM Recall seeing her in the newsreels during WWII, visiting hospitals, inspecting bomb damage and visiting troops. From my small-child perspective, she was quite the elegant lady, always appearing composed and "in charge epitomizing "royalty" to me. I liked her hats. Mary |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: PeteBoom Date: 30 Mar 02 - 03:12 PM My old Pipe Major is quite saddened - just spoke with him. She was Colonel-in-Chief of his old regiment. People can't help when, where or into what family they are born - or what happens to them after they marry into a family. She had many more good qualities that bad ones. She married for love, then played the hand life dealt her quite well, I thought. Much sympathy. Pete |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland Date: 30 Mar 02 - 03:40 PM It's a sad day for us all, she really was a grand old lady.
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland Date: 30 Mar 02 - 03:43 PM To the princess Di fan, you are one sick bastard, I hope you rot in hell, and that's all I have say on the matter. P.S. I'm not a royalist, I'm a republican.
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Tweed Date: 30 Mar 02 - 04:07 PM She was very good to see when she went out with the people and exuded great charm and dignity in an age where those traits are seldom cultivated. I'll miss just knowing that such a person walks the same earth as we do. Much sympathy and condolences go out to the English cousins. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST,God Save Us From the Queen Mum Worshippers Date: 30 Mar 02 - 04:09 PM Thankfully, when there is a death in the English royal family, those of us Mudcatters who are nauseated by the royal worshipping always have uk.music.folk to turn to. No chance of the them getting much of an audience there, thank god. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Tweed Date: 30 Mar 02 - 04:19 PM ...as I was just sayin', "She exuded great charm and dignity in an age where those traits are seldom cultivated".... |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Irish sergeant Date: 30 Mar 02 - 04:20 PM Rest in Peace Queen Mother. May you be followed by fair breeze on this your next journey. Condolences to our Cousins in the U.K. on the lost of a grand old lady. Neil |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 02 - 04:21 PM She was a member of the family of the most brutal, bloodthirsty imperial monarchy in the history of the world. Nothing too charmed or dignified about that, now is there? |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Harry Basnett Date: 30 Mar 02 - 04:43 PM Don't you just love those lovely, cuddly, anonymous "Guests"? |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Barry T Date: 30 Mar 02 - 04:47 PM I agree, Harryoldham! 'Kind of makes you wish for a search and replace key... for people! |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Lanfranc Date: 30 Mar 02 - 05:00 PM I admit it, I stood in the Aldwych and cheered her on her 90th birthday parade. She once passed within a few feet of me at an official reception, and the main thing I remember is how tiny she was. She did well to last to 102 - I wonder if QE2 will last as long? She was a character, and will be sorely missed. She had a sense of humour, a liking for the horses, a penchant for the odd G & T and a sense of duty and a dignity that none of the wives of her grandsons could ever come close to. "They don't make 'em like that any more!" Alan
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Mar 02 - 05:08 PM This has been a bad week hasn't it? The lady just exuded class and while her attitude always seemed equally open and friendly, you could see the iron will.....as kat I think said, "iron Fist, Velvet Glove." It's not a type we see much anymore and that's sad.........A Grand Lady in the best sense of the words. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: howler Date: 30 Mar 02 - 05:20 PM Why is it necessary to bad mouth such a person as the Queen Mother? I'm no Royalist but hey in my life time 40 odd years, she never shot anyone, she never bad mouthed anyone in public; She was just an old lady - so please, those of you who have spit your vitriol, please save the rest for someone who really deserves it; like the terrorists and bad people of the world. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Manitas_at_home Date: 30 Mar 02 - 06:23 PM Let's face it, lot's of people have already said they will miss the Queen Mum - thousands of them on tv and radio alone. Who will miss you Lady Di fan and GUEST peeping out from underneath your rock? |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST,jaze Date: 30 Mar 02 - 06:24 PM Deep condolences to our friends in the UK for the loss of a truly brave and great lady. You don't earn the love and admiration of a kingdom without the substance to fill it. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 02 - 06:29 PM Well, apparently the Queen Mum won't be missed by the British who frequent uk.music.folk. Not even a mention of her passing there. Wonder why all those British cousins aren't busy fawning all over themselves and one another with phony grief, like all of you here are, hmmmm?
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST,Peter from Essex Date: 30 Mar 02 - 06:49 PM Mybe people just post "on topic". Try UK.PEOPLE.DEAD |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Gareth Date: 30 Mar 02 - 06:56 PM I have just returned from the Pub ( NB location South Wales). Death of HRH Queeen Elizabeth - THe Queen Mother, not a major talking point. Sympathy to the familly, as you would expect. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Blackcatter Date: 30 Mar 02 - 06:57 PM We always are supposed to speak kindly of the dead, but frankly, to me she was just part of the family that is merrily screwing the British public. But that's my opinion and if (in my opinion) the British public thinks that they are "getting their money worth" so be it. To me the unfortunate situation is that her passing is unlikely to force any question of the royalty like will happen when her daughter passes. pax yall |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Jon Freeman Date: 30 Mar 02 - 07:04 PM Well, whatever, I don't know the majority British view (although I suspect it would be pro) but please remember that there are those like me over here who will not be mourning her. I tend to view her as a scheming old battleaxe who hid behind the velvet glove - a contrast from the view posted by kat above. She had a good innings and died peacefully and I hope she rests in peace but that is as far as it goes with me... Except to say a loss is a loss to any family... Jon |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Mar 02 - 07:23 PM "She was just part of the family that is merrily screwing the British public" - surely she wasn't a Murdoch...or a Blair for that matter?
Get rid of the Royals and it would make about as much of a contribution to making England a better place to live in as it would if the Royals got rid of the Corgis. Whether you like them or loathe them, they are just decoration. And the Queen Mother had some decorative style.
I might not cross the road to save the Royals - but I wouldn't snap my fingers to get rid of them.
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Ian Darby Date: 30 Mar 02 - 07:48 PM I just hope Elton John isn't beavering away at his piano as we speak. My Mam's most enduring memory of the Queen Mother was seeing a Pathe Newsreel at the pictures. She was stood holding a shotgun, next to a pile of dead Tigers. It had apparently been a great days shooting. Mam left the cinema in tears. Regarding the Princess Di 'fan,' if Di been living in a two bed maisonette in Manchester she would probably have been branded an unfit mother. Having said all this, a family just lost someone they probably loved and I know what that feels like. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 02 - 08:32 PM According to NIH, in the year 2000, on average 6,588 people died per day in the United States. I could not find any global statistics, but probably multiplying by 20 would yield a conservative estimate of 131,760 people who die throughout the world per day. To be as righteous as possible, were we to spend a full 24 hours per day mourning the loss of each of these human beings, we would have to spend less than seven tenths of a second per person. Just now I spent a silent seven tenths of a second mourning the loss of Queen Elizabeth, and, frankly, now that my grief period is over I am starting to feel better. I am almost ready to move on with my life again. It will be difficult, but I believe that given roughly another quarter-second of meditation over the next three minutes, I will have completely forgotten that she ever existed. How about we save our mental mourning energy for the 131,759 other people who died today; odds are the vast majority of them contributed to the world more than this ancient pampered woman ever did. Respectfully, A.N. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 30 Mar 02 - 09:28 PM Well, I was wondering wich one of them was dead! I passed Brittish Aerospace (Brough), a few hours ago and noticed the flags were at half mast.It seems to me that the Americans will miss her more than us in the UK, as far as I am concerned you are welcome to the rest of them! |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: John Gray Date: 30 Mar 02 - 09:58 PM Glad she's gone, now there will be enough gin left to go around. JG/FME. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 02 - 10:06 PM Respect for the dead. Of course. Living in Ireland, I heard the following joke within 24 hours of Diana's death: What do the letters in Diana's name stand for? Died in a nasty accident. Please feel free to respect the dead for the respectable 7/10s of a second, and give us a good Queen Mum joke, will ye? |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Haruo Date: 30 Mar 02 - 10:25 PM Anybody got a folk song about the Queen Mum handy so we can be "on-topic" and go post it at uk.music.folk? Liland |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 02 - 11:56 PM After reading through these posts i can see where I've been wrong of course. Sorry al. GOD BLESS THE QUEEN MOTHER. There I've said it. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Mudlark Date: 31 Mar 02 - 01:04 AM I don't know the ins and outs of the royal family, living as I do across the pond, but anybody who loved corgis cant be all bad....RIP, Queen Mum.... |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Linda Kelly Date: 31 Mar 02 - 05:38 AM I can't stand Corgis and am obviously the daughter of Satan! I believe that none of the Royal Family's dogs are housetrained which is probably why they keep moving from palace to palace to allow Chem-Dry in!!!! |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 31 Mar 02 - 05:48 AM I like, Everybodys got to learn sometimes by The Corgis. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Snuffy Date: 31 Mar 02 - 06:43 AM She was HM, not HRH |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Fiolar Date: 31 Mar 02 - 07:10 AM So an era has finally closed. I wonder how the royal family will cope now. According to reports a third of the population of Britain will genuinely mourn her, a third will feel a passing sadness and a third will think "so what" and wish that the televsion didn't spend so much time covering the event. The above postings show a mixed reaction. But to put things in perspective, she never had to dirty her hands to support the family and was raised and lived in the lap of luxury all her life. She was capable of carrying a grudge for practically ever and never forgave "Crawfie" for publishing her book on the princesses. If the report that Princess Diana described her as "the chief leper in the leper colony" is true then the picture of a sweet old lady is very far from the truth. Still she has passed on now and is a part of history. To describe the event as "sad" is a slight exageration. Now if she had been a young working class mother with two or three young children dependent on her - that would be sad. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Jon Freeman Date: 31 Mar 02 - 07:22 AM Now we have the HM/HRH bit cleared up, perhaps someone tell me: Is she now The Late HM Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother or HM The Late Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother or HM Queen Elizabeth The Late Queen Mother...? Jon |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: harvey andrews Date: 31 Mar 02 - 07:48 AM Mr McGath says: "Get rid of the Royals and it would make about as much of a contribution to making England a better place to live in as it would if the Royals got rid of the Corgis"
I beg to differ. They are the summit of the class structure that holds this country back.One per cent of the population own 80% of the land, and I bet the Queen Mother knew every one of them.. Only 7% of Britain is available for us "Commoners" to live in. The Royal Family is the supporter of all this and is its reality made mainifest. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Linda Kelly Date: 31 Mar 02 - 07:51 AM well said Harvey |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 31 Mar 02 - 08:14 AM mmhh, good question Jon. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Mrs.Duck Date: 31 Mar 02 - 08:53 AM I've heard previous monarchs referred to as HM the late King whatever but in view of the fact that there is not likely to be another Queen mother in our life time I suspect the term 'late' will be dispensed with and she will still just be known as the Queen mother. Must say I'm glad I didn't buy shares in Gordon's!!!! |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Mar 02 - 01:12 PM "They are the summit of the class structure that holds this country back."
The summit doesn't hold up the mountain, the mountain holds up the summit. Knocking away the tip of the summit doesn't do anything at all to stop the mountain crushing us.
I just can't see the process by which the absence of a Queen or a King would make any contribution at all to hitting the class system and the imbalance of property ownership. Is it that different in countries without a hereditary monarchy?
If there came into existence a genuine movement towards abolishing inequality, I can imagine that one symbolic way of achieving that might well involve getting rid of the monarchy. Roll on the day.
But I don't think that at this time the fat cats who own us and exploit us would be the least bit inconvenienced by the absence of the Royals. In fact it would probably suit a lot of them down to the ground. It's worth noting that Rupert Murdoch, as unsavoury and powerful a fat cat as you can find, is all for a "republic".
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST,HRH EIII Date: 31 Mar 02 - 01:17 PM Besides, look at all you Yanks who are so sycophantic toward (particularly British) royalty. Not to mention those who have been given royal honors: "Sir" Paul McCartney my royal ass, but it's good for commerce. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Mar 02 - 02:15 PM "you Yanks" and "my...ass"(sic) in the same post? Doesn't seem linguistically consistent somehow. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: rea Date: 31 Mar 02 - 05:24 PM *sigh* could I just point out that the purpose of the thread seems to have been to note the passing of a remarkable woman (whether you did or did not like her, she was remarkable). No one forces anyone to read these threads, and I'm sure we all skip threads each day in favor of others. Why someone would feel obliged to come into a thread where people are mourning a passing and make snide remarks and political statements is beyond me. If you wish to do that, please start your own thread. There are people who are mourning. There are people who are not. Such is the way of life. In the Middle East at the moment, some are celebrating the deaths of Israelis in a cafe, others are mourning. They will continue to clash over their grief. I had thought the Mudcat to be a different place. How sad that instead it seems to be repeatedly afflicted with posters who disrespect the creators of a thread and post extremely rude messages about the subject. If they were to be polite and logical, as some have been on this thread, it would not bother me so much. Please, 'Catters, can't we be adults? For the record, I'm an American who does not have any feelings about the British royalty. It is not an aspect of society I understand. I have my own political troubles about which to worry ("George II," for one). Thank you all for you time, and a very happy spring. rea |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Snuffy Date: 31 Mar 02 - 06:25 PM Her late Majesty, ... etc |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Fiolar Date: 01 Apr 02 - 04:07 AM At least she died naturally (I presume) unlike her late father-in-law George V who was hastened on his way by a cocktail of drugs injected into his jugular. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 02 - 01:25 PM Prince Charles's tribute to his grandmother I know what my darling grandmother meant to so many other people. She literally enriched their lives, and she was the original life enhancer, whether publicly or privately,whoever she was with. And in many ways, I think she's become an institution in her own right, a presence in the nation and in other realms and territories beyond these shores. At once indomitable, somehow timeless, able to span the generations. Wise, loving, with an utterly irresistible mischievousness of spirit. A mostly strong character, combined with a unique, natural grace and an infectious optimism about life itself. Above all, though, she understood the British character, and her heart belonged to this ancient old land and its equally indomitable and humorous inhabitants whom she served with panache, style and unswerving dignity for very nearly 80 years. I know too what she meant to the whole of my family, particularly to the Queen, for whom she was always such a stalwart and sensitive support ever since my grandfather died when he was only two-and-a-half years older than I am now. And for me, she meant everything, and I had dreaded, dreaded this moment along with, I know, countless others. Somehow, I never thought it would come. She seemed gloriously unstoppable and ever since I was a child, I adored her. Her houses were always filled with an atmosphere of fun, laughter and affection, and I learned so much from her of immense value in my life. Apart from anything else, she wrote such sparklingly wonderful letters, and her turn of phrase could be utterly memorable. But, above all, she saw the funny side of life, and we laughed 'til we cried, and oh how I shall miss those laughs. And the wonderful wisdom borne of so much experience and of an innate sensitivity to life. She was, quite simply,the most magical grandmother you could possibly have, and I was utterly devoted to her. Her departure has left an irreplaceable chasm in countless lives that, thank God, we're all richer for the sheer joy of her presence and everything she stood for. Broadcast on Monday, 1st April One would only hope that someone would be so eloquent about us when we go...... |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 02 - 02:09 PM rea ponders thus: "Why someone would feel obliged to come into a thread where people are mourning a passing and make snide remarks and political statements is beyond me." She was the matriarch of the Windsor family, which continues to rule the British empire (such as it is now, but that is another story), well beyond the shores of England. What is ludicrous in the extreme is to have an expectation that when a death in the British royal family occurs, everyone who has suffered at the hands of the Windsors should be expected to be polite and not comment on the many political aspects involved when a death in the British royal family takes place. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 02 - 03:39 PM Because (Guest above)we believe in respect and good manners. There is a time and place for everything; and your invective (which is strange and detailess) has no place in a thread intended for paying respects to someone. I have no doubt that freedom of expression to some would mean pissing on the leg of the US President; but such behaviour is not decent or politically effective or socially relevant. Very much like your input. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Apr 02 - 03:49 PM "reigning" is not the same as "ruling". It just isn't true that the Queen "rules" in any meaningful sense. There are still Pearly Kings in London. They have about as much political clout with Ken Livingstone as Queen Elizabeth has with Tony Blair. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST,Alan Date: 01 Apr 02 - 03:58 PM Why are you all talking about this when you should be discussing music? This is what the Mudcat Cafe is all about -or should be...... |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 02 - 04:37 PM Guest Alan are you telling us to shut up and discuss music because you think we should? This is a Cafe' and not your exclusive music site. We choose to discuss this at the moment, so either join in or go to a music thread. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST,Dagenham Doc Date: 01 Apr 02 - 04:38 PM I don't care wether she's alive or dead to be honest.They can fill her full of what ever Keith Richards lives on and bring her back to life for all I care,she never did me any harm and what she was part of is history.She was born into it, as they all were and I was born in little house in th east end of London.We did have a corgi though! ... No what gets me and never fails to are the bleeding heart liberals that continue to whine on about who should say what, and post where. I bet your lives are boring. Doc. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST,joe in the 'pool Date: 01 Apr 02 - 04:58 PM I read in the Observer, some time ago, that war records released 60 years later, revealed that the Queen mum had contacted the Nazi's and agreed to surrender the crown when they invaded, on condition that they allowed the Royal family to continue to as the heads of state? So much for my grandfather dying for freedom..the Heads of State cared only about THEIR families lines in history, and NOT the peasants who line the roads for her death.. Oh yea to all the Yankee's, life's not all tweeds and bloody roses yer'know..it's about HISTORY (see native's of America for that one eh!) Joe |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 02 - 05:02 PM Joe, I suggest you actually read history before preaching your fantasy version of it mate. Hitler called her "the most dangerous woman in the world" because she was prepared like other British subjects to shoot any Germans that landed on London; and she inspired people to keep fighting. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 02 - 05:08 PM Joe!!! I'm amazed you can read (well done) but people like you remind me that more people read the National Enquirer than the National Geographic... Gawd dont read newspapers except as entertainment buddy. Read something else and learn something worthwhile... |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: PeteBoom Date: 01 Apr 02 - 05:22 PM Enquirer? Nah - The Observer... six by each in my book. Nuff said... Pete |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Manitas_at_home Date: 02 Apr 02 - 04:22 AM I believe it was the other Windsors, Edward and Wallis who were prepared ( at least Hitler thought) to be puppet monarchs. They were sent to Bermuda to keep them where they could be harmless. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Apr 02 - 04:30 AM "six by each" - meaning, I take it "six of one and half a dozen of the other", or "same difference". Quite economical, and a new one to me - which part of the world is it current in? |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Fiolar Date: 02 Apr 02 - 09:42 AM An interesting point in today's Guardian. Apparently the 50 or so servants who waited hand and foot on the late departed Queen Mother are now on the dole without (some of them) a roof over their heads, those that is that lived in Grace and Favour accomodation. That includes her butler. The same apparently has happened to the late Margaret's servants. So much for a "sweet old lady" and "everyone's favourite grandmother." I remember my grandmother who was also a young widow and worked hard to bring up a family of five kids and thank God she was nothing like the Queen Mother. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland Date: 02 Apr 02 - 09:45 AM but that's the risk you get with these types of Jobs. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: PeteBoom Date: 02 Apr 02 - 10:08 AM Tam - precisely. Fiolar - When you are "in service" - that is what you are. Should they (personal servants and attendants) displace others in similar positions? Should they be kept on in memory of their departed mistress? Some things have NOT changed since 1066. That's just a fact. It CAN be life-long emplyment - usually for the life of the person you are waiting upon. Not that I agree with the system, simply, it IS the system - and will be until everyone is totally equal in every way. Regards - Pete |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Grab Date: 02 Apr 02 - 10:09 AM Interesting bit from the Guardian, quoted from a summary of her life:- "She was an obstacle to reform: a fan of pomp and circumstance who bitterly opposed the notion that members of the royal family should pay tax. Her closeness to her grandson, Charles, embroiled her in the family's biggest crisis since the abdication. When it became clear that Diana would not behave as she believed a royal should, the Queen Mother became the princess's greatest enemy (a mutual hatred recorded in Andrew Morton's Diana: her true story, in her own words). Diana believed that the Queen Mother saw her as a second Wallis Simpson and that she had persuaded other family members that the princess was out to undermine all that the Windsors stood for. Such revelations momentarily took the shine off the Queen Mother's status as the "nation's favourite grandmother". Although she is known for her smile, for a long time only her closest companions knew what lay behind it. In 1998 Woodrow Wyatt's diaries confirmed what many former courtiers had said. The Queen Mother was portrayed as an elderly woman who adored Margaret Thatcher and apartheid-supporting South African PW Botha, disliked Europe, the unions and middle classes, was against immigration and regretted the loss of imperial possessions in Africa. The Queen Mother believed that it was the duty of a royal to behave like a royal. To this end she lived in almost Edwardian splendour at Clarence House; with six cars, three chauffeurs, five chefs, two pages, three footmen, two dressers and 30 more assorted secretaries, maids, treasurers and housekeepers. As a hobby she bred racehorses. The Queen Mother received £643,000 a year from the civil list but this goes only a very short way to covering her running costs and she is subsidised by her daughter. Nevertheless, her lavish tastes have still seen her £4m overdrawn at the royal bank, Coutts." Re Joe's story, that sounds highly unlikely. However, she and George were certainly in favour of appeasement of Hitler rather than going to war. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Apr 02 - 10:34 AM "she and George were certainly in favour of appeasement of Hitler rather than going to war." But then, so were most people. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: iRiShBaBe Date: 02 Apr 02 - 03:41 PM i aggree its sad that she died. every death is a sad one, but being the irishwoman that i am i can safely say that i wont be crying into my cornflakes... |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 02 Apr 02 - 06:36 PM Hitler would have got you next babe.... pity he didnt... |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Blackcatter Date: 03 Apr 02 - 01:01 PM Oh yeah, I feel so sorry for her numerous servants who are on the dole. First of all, I find it hard to believe they do not have a "roof over their heads" a week after her death. Are you telling us that the Queen chucked them out of their accomodations even before her mom was buried? Also - yes they are probably on some sort of dole - but more like the kind of unemployment compensation you get when you loose a job (duh) there have got to be jobs out their for them. There are always plenty rich people who need employees to put up with their stupidity. And who in the hell can get mad at someone for dying and leaving people unemployed? It reminds me of all the idiots who claimed that Bill Clinton "avoided" Vietnam military service by going to college (including becoming a Rhoad's Scholar at Oxford - talk about taking deferrment seriously!) pax yall
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 03 Apr 02 - 04:50 PM They moved her coffin to London yesterday, and the newspapers had a picture of the Queen's piper playing The Dark Island. I wonder if the author will get any royalties for that, or is Royalty exempt from royalties? WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 Apr 02 - 05:07 PM Here's a letter from Tuesday's Guardian (April 2nd)that I find myself essentially in agreement with.(And I'll havce to post it in a couple of shots, because anything over two paragraphs or so doesn't seem to get through.)
What a charmless and emotionally stunted bunch some of your correspondents on the Queen Mother must be (Letters, April 1). Though a socialist and an active toiler in the ranks of the Labour party, I am unceasingly aware that my parents' generation may possibly have been the most valiant in human history. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 Apr 02 - 05:08 PM Though totally of the left, I would prefer it, if Britain is ever to have a president, that he should be something like the Prince of Wales, with whose particular ideals and ideas I know where I stand, than with Tony Blair, with whom I don't. Ian Flintoff London |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 Apr 02 - 05:14 PM Here's the middle part of that Guardian letter, which went missing en route(it'll probabaly turn up nowe, having gone some peculiar route to get there)
They lived through the worst century on record, fought and struggled through devastating wars, invasion, bombardment and against the worst kinds of ideological enemies. They won, and they set to work reconstructing Britain with at least a shot at justice.
My own peer group are pygmies by comparison, and we have feebly created a dangerous and soulless world for our own offspring to inherit. The old woman who died aged 101 was of that extraordinary generation. The role she played was forced upon her by circumstances and coincidences. She acquitted herself well - much better than any of my own contemporaries I can think of, or anyone at all in the upcoming bunch. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: harvey andrews Date: 03 Apr 02 - 05:18 PM Yes, my mother and father were of that generation and worked throught the war unceasingly. My father fought to beat fascism. then to set up the postwar labour Govt, the Health service etc and also, he hoped, to get rid of privilege and the royal family.There were many like him. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 03 Apr 02 - 07:32 PM It wasnt Labour that started pensions Harvey it was Winston Churchill |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: harvey andrews Date: 04 Apr 02 - 05:02 AM I never mentioned pensions? |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Fiolar Date: 04 Apr 02 - 07:30 AM Regarding pensions - it was Lloyd George actually with his "Old Age Pensions Act" of 1908. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST,bagpuss at work Date: 04 Apr 02 - 07:51 AM Her greatest quality was that unlike her son in law she knew when to keep her mouth shut. Therefore there are relatively few recorded instances of her talking about her admiration for PW Botha and how she thought Europe was being "beastly" over the the apartheid regime. Pretty fond of the way things were in Rhodesia too and if that wasn't enough she was a fan of Thatcher... I wonder if there will be a sudden run on commemerative queen mum teeth from viz? Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 04 Apr 02 - 09:25 AM Fiolar. Lloyd George was persuaded by his good friend Churchill to change policy on social reforms. Although lacking in details my post is quite factual. As President of the Board of Trade, 1908-10, he had been responsible for placing on the statute-book several far-reaching measures of social reform which have survived to this day,including a scheme of National Insurance to provide every citizen with a state retirement pension and the establishment of Labour Exchanges nationwide to assist the unemployed to find jobs. As possibly the only holder of his office to have been in prison -- Winston was captured during the Boer War and held captive in Pretoria until his celebrated escape, brilliantly described in his book My Early Life --he well understood what it was to be deprived of one's liberty. He was particularly shocked by the large numbers of young people being committed to prison and by the fact that two-thirds of the prison population had been jailed for offences no graver than drunkenness or the failure to pay a fine. The reforms which he instituted led to a reduction in these categories of prisoners from over 170,000 to fewer than 12,000 during the next ten years. Although Churchill's reforms have benefited millions of his fellow countrymen down the decades, his tenure at the Home Office is more frequently associated with the violent and turbulent events taking place at the time: the Siege of Sidney Street and the Tonypandy riots. In the case of Sidney Street, in the East End of London, the Home Secretary was criticised in Parliament for having visited the scene of action and taken personal charge of operations in the danger zone after a gang of anarchists had killed three policemen and wounded two others. Far graver, however, were the charges levelled against him over his handling of the riots in the Welsh mining valleys of the Rhondda. It is deeply ingrained in the mythology of Socialism in Britain that Churchill sent troops to Tonypandy to `shoot down the miners' in the autumn of 1910. The charge could not have been further from the truth: it was actually Churchill who, on learning that the War Office had dispatched soldiers, had them detrained at Didcot and substituted mounted police instead. But this has done nothing to prevent the currency of the lie being propagated by modern day revisionists. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: Snuffy Date: 04 Apr 02 - 06:59 PM For he's took me out of the workhouse He's giv'n me life that's free Ten shilling a week for doin' nowt That's what Lloyd-George gave me. (Apologies for thread-creep towards music) WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother From: GUEST Date: 04 Apr 02 - 09:04 PM Good thread creep Snuffy. Churchill displayed more care about social reform than many of the so called socialists. I get scared by people who would re-write history to agree with modern social engineering. |
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