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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Doug Chadwick Date: 19 Aug 02 - 01:46 PM 1. Anything posted by an anonymous GUEST that seems to be a flame. 2. Anything posted by an anonymous GUEST that might be controversial. 3. Anything posted by an anonymous GUEST that gives rise to strong debate. 4. Anything posted by an anonymous GUEST that is open to discussion. 5. Anything posted by an anonymous GUEST that seems reasonable. 6. Anything posted by an anonymous GUEST that is patently true. 7. Anything posted by an anonymous GUEST that a member disagrees with. Doug C |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Genie Date: 19 Aug 02 - 02:41 AM LH, Spaw, the "James Taylor Center For Catatonic Blandness?" Haven't seen that one before, but it's a keeper! Spaw, re your last post, I know what you mean. (No, haven't seen Bagger Vance.) Genie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Aug 02 - 11:08 PM Hawkster......It's mainly because I'm bored stiff with the level of drivel. We used to have a lot of fun with meaningless bullshit that flowed through the folk music but it's dropped off to a level that cannot even be considered mildly amusing. Pissing around with these simple ass guest trolls is boring as hell and completely lame (as they are) so I'm thinking of attending some Shatner classes to start a new program in conjunction with the NYCFTTS. BTW, have you seen Bagger Vance yet? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Wincing Devil Date: 18 Aug 02 - 08:22 PM This is almost like writing haiku!
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo Date: 18 Aug 02 - 12:15 PM "Shino" (courtesy of John Roberts and Tony Barrand). Cheers, -- Anre Langsetmo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Aug 02 - 05:11 PM Gargoyle - Thanks for the info. I have never been inclined to get much involved in wrangles about Ireland, but I know it's a subject which is like a minefield around some people...as is the Arab-Israeli conflict and/or anything involving Jews and/or Nazis around others. I don't imagine I like kneejerk thinking any more than you do. I also don't like it when any group of people becomes so sacrosanct (due to past sufferings at the hands of others or whatever) that they are considered beyond criticism no matter what they do...or say. There are quite a few examples of that around these days. Nor do I like it when any group becomes demonized to the point that any statement acknowledging a shred of goodness or humanity in a single one of them is pounced upon and derided. Those are the two extremes of prejudicial thinking and they both lead nowhere useful. Mudcat isn't perfect, obviously, and it suffers from its own proponents of such prejudicial thinking now and then, but for me it's an enjoyable place on the whole. Some GUESTs are quite enjoyable too. It all depends on their attitude. Mr Happy - I think the NYCFTTS was started by Spaw. It's another fictional organization...a sort of nursing home/rehab center for "terminally screwed" people...that is, people who kind of resemble Neil Young on the morning after a really HEAVY weekend, staggering around on the stage, bleary-eyed, wrenching maximum distortion out of his electric guitar while appearing (according to Spaw) to be having sex with it. Spaw also started up another organization, the James Taylor Center For Catatonic Blandness. It's a pretty laid-back place, and not a lot happens there, so it isn't mentioned all that often, but it's a great place to be if you really want to mellow out for awhile. Thank Spaw for these creations. I don't know what's up with Spaw lately, he seems to be keeping a somewhat lower profile. I think he may have been Shatnerized into submission... - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: katlaughing Date: 17 Aug 02 - 09:01 AM gargoyle, check your PM's...part of your current membership you choose not to use |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: GUEST,Gurney Date: 17 Aug 02 - 07:39 AM If William Shatner is a swearword, will I get edited if I use a euphemism, like Mark Hamill? Gurney |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 17 Aug 02 - 02:18 AM Little Hawk - I was "banished" for inflamatory remarks made during a heated discussion regarding a thread's reference to the song "My Little Armalite" a weapon used in Northern Ireland and manufactored in Southern California. (Only one side of the Irish Question was deemed proper for discussion - by the faint hearted females/eunochs in Max's harem.) You close friend, The Pussilanimous-Pussy, can, no doubt, fill you in on the other details.
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 17 Aug 02 - 02:06 AM GUEST...It is a pleasure having you here, and this thanks is sincere. You have the insight and wit to cut the BS and wound to the quik.
Sorry you can't stick around awhile longer....the mudcat demagods occasionally, need a good pounding.
A Sincere THANX,
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Blackcatter Date: 17 Aug 02 - 12:45 AM GUEST - if you have your own site - why don't you invite me - I may say something that you find offensive and then you'll have an orgasm while you delete my post. I always look forward to giving orgasms and my bet is that I'd MUCH rather give you a virtual one than come within 10 klicks of touching you... PS While you're obviosuly too stupid to understand: I didn't say that "Freedom of speech = freedom of the press". I said "Freedom of the press is an absolute right to only those that own a press. What that means is that the only way to guarantee that you can speak freely is to actually own you're own press (or website, TV station, etc.) Anywhere else, you are subject to the real owner's right to censor you. If you have your own website - you can blither on as long as you want. Here at Mudcat, you are subject to the owner ALLOWING you to do so. Complaining that that is unfair is like complaining that the sun is hot - You don't like it, but theirs nowt you can do except shut up and cry "wee, wee, wee, all the way home." Have a nice day (and I mean that in a negative sense) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Genie Date: 16 Aug 02 - 09:29 PM Mr Happy, it's the Neil Young Center For The Terminally Screwed. Right, LH? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Mr Happy Date: 16 Aug 02 - 09:17 PM little jawk, for the benefit of the uninitiated,can you also explain NYCFTTS? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: artbrooks Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:26 PM YOR says "Britney Spears has talent! Two of them." Well, there's her belly button...what's the other one? "Seven words you can't say on Mudcat?" Heck, there are probably seven MILLION words I can't pronounce, much less type! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Genie Date: 16 Aug 02 - 04:28 PM Probably a few Welsh words, too, LH. (At least they'd be impossible to SPELL here or anywhere other than Wales.) ¤;- ) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Aug 02 - 03:07 PM Well, there are some Czech words which I find almost impossible to say even OFF Mudcat... - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: YOR Date: 16 Aug 02 - 02:57 PM Britney Spears has talent! Two of them. I didn't thunk there were any words that could not be said on Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Aug 02 - 02:47 PM Toadfrog, you gotta be kidding! Well, about Shatner, anyway... I'll explain. First of all, a wiccan is someone who follows Wicca which is an Earth-based religion having some connections to Druidism...white witchcraft...and so on. Do a google search, and you will no doubt find endless material about it. Wiccans can be interesting people, usually rather unconventional and imaginative. Sometimes they get too much into rituals for my taste, but that's up to them. Shatner is...William Shatner. The actor who portrayed Captain Kirk on the original Star Trek series. Some people consider him to be a not terribly good actor. Some consider him to be a very bad actor. Others admire him for various reasons and are fans. I started a long series of threads about William Shatner just for fun and for the hell of it...actually I was competing with Spaw's humorous threads about Paw and Cletus, etc...that kind of thing. It was strictly for laughs. After a while a running joke can become a sort of tradition in a given venue. That happened with Shatner. Some enjoyed it, others did not. The rest is history. I also created a supposed educational facility in the Orillia, Ontario, Canada area called the William Shatner School of BAAAAAAD Acting. If you see a reference to the WSSBA, that's it. Note that the initials of Bill Shatner are...BS!!! Very cool. The WSSBA was really inspired by the NYCFTTS. Call it a spinoff series. I recently read his book "Get A Life", and by gosh...it's a genuinely great book. How about that? I seem to have mutated into a real Shatner fan of sorts, as a result of all this tomfoolery which I started. Okay? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: toadfrog Date: 16 Aug 02 - 02:18 PM What is a "wiccan"? What is a "Shatner"? What do these mysterious things have to do with music? With folklore? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Aug 02 - 02:17 PM "Don't cry for me, Guelph" What a splendid idea! Thanks for that one, Genie... It will be ringing in my head tonight, I'm sure. There's also "Guelph, City of my Dreams" (based on the original song about Vienna). Guelph is actually a nice town, with a pretty good acoustic music scene, and some great players in the surrouding area. I was last there a couple of years ago. GUEST - Whoever you are, I wish to tell you that I despise the words c*nt and p#ssy (except in the latter case, when referring to a cat, in which case it's "pussycat") and I do not use them. Not in this forum nor off it. That's my way of dealing with it. As for people who do use them, well....shrug...there will always be people who do things I might consider stupid and tasteless, but I would be doing myself no favour having a fit over it all the time, would I? Would it change them? I think not. I just avoid doing those things myself. Similarly, I avoid posting to threads which I consider to be a waste of my time and good nature. I suggest you do the same. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: GUEST Date: 16 Aug 02 - 01:46 PM PS Freedom of speech does not = freedom of the press. Free speech issues are relevant in many more forums than conglomerate media. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: GUEST Date: 16 Aug 02 - 01:44 PM Blackcatter, what makes you think I don't have my own site? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Genie Date: 16 Aug 02 - 01:39 PM Deda, "guelfa" is also a common noun in Italian, too, not just a family name. The problem with my little dictionary was that the so-called English word it gave as a translation ("guelf" -- I think-- not "guelph") was not a word I'd ever heard of. I kinda thought maybe they meant "gulf." As for "forbidden words" at Mudcat, I can't think of any words I've never seen in the forum or DT -- except, come to think of it, up to now, the word "guelf." Genie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Blackcatter Date: 16 Aug 02 - 01:20 PM GUEST said: "I'm an easy one to censor because no one will stick up for freedom of speech here....Because it is the men who have the power and the throne who decide it all for us anyway" If you think this place is for men only, start your own website! Quit telling someone else how to run their place. How would you like it if I went to a party in your home and insisted you should allow only certain topics of conversation? For Goodness sake, why can't people get it through their thick heads that Mudcat is not run by us, is not owned by us and, in many respects, not even funded by us? Because of that, the owners HAVE THE RIGHT to censor anything they want. Freedom of the press is an absolute right to only those that own a press. So start your own site - call it the "Anti-Mudcat Women Friendly Music Discussion Site" or whatever. Then when I go on your site and say that your stupid, you can censor me and ban me and feel superior! yeesh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: GUEST Date: 16 Aug 02 - 12:10 PM Right, well you CAN say the word cunt. Unless you are me, in which case Joe Offer will censor your post for saying that you can say cunt. The word cunt can be found in many songs in the DT, as Wincing Devil proved to us with the search link he provided, conveniently, in the For Ladies Only thread. So, you fellas don't mind ME being censored, right? You want Joe Offer to censor my posts, because I'm a thorn in the side of Mudcat. I'm a pain in the ass. I'm a troll. I'm an easy one to censor because no one will stick up for freedom of speech here. That ain't the thang here at all. The censorship going on now is censorship of my posts, not because I'm a troll, or a pain in the ass, but because what I say hits a bit too close to the bone. So, it becomes necessary to censor the debate, the challenges to the status quo, etc. Like I said, you guys don't give a shit about the censorship getting out of hand here at Mudcat. All you give a shit about is whether YOU get censored. Whether YOU can say whatever the hell you want. You know well enough not to say anything critical about Mudcat, because that IS what is getting censored here. You also know just where the line is for your sexual content posts and threads. Yup, you guys have it really good. You can keep up with the boys will be boys antics with impunity, because the boys who run Mudcat are on your side. You win. In Mudcat, you will always win. Because it is the men who have the power and the throne who decide it all for us anyway. And they've decided that you are free to have shaved pussy threads, and lots of songs with words like cunt in them. What a proud day it is for men here in Mudcat, the manly folk music forum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Deda Date: 16 Aug 02 - 11:42 AM The Guelphs were an Italian family, maybe from FLorence? They were kinda Medici wannabes. My pretentious grandmother liked to assert that her family name (Phelps) came from Guelph. Based on no evidence at all, just her own delusions of aristocracy. If there are words that should be forbidden, shouldn't they just be words that would be hurtful? It seems to me it would be smarter and more useful to forbid people NOT to use certain words. Like, no one should be "allowed" to go through a week without saying, "I love you" or "how are you doing, really?" or "I'm so glad to see you" or "let's have some TV-free time -- no TV for the next three hours" or "Come on over". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Genie Date: 16 Aug 02 - 03:38 AM Little Hawk, I'm not sure it was one person refreshing all the Shatner threads. I think I may have posted to one of them ("who's sexier...") months after its next to last post, but I had nothing to do with refreshing others. Maybe it was several different people intrigued by one or another of the Shatner threads? Now, "Guelph," that's a different matter. (I lived for a while on Via Guelfa in Firenze, Italia, and I looked up the word in my little Italian-English dictionary. It said "n., F., 'guelph.' !) Seriously, I considered (seriously) teaching at the Univ. of Guelph at one time.) [How about, "Don't Cry For Me, Guelph!"?] Back to the point: I will continue to try to ascertain why Shatner is titillating, but if it is a bastardization of the folk process, I will go back to Norfolk, where I will study concoctions made with Shiitake mushrooms and pistachio nuts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Aug 02 - 12:33 AM Ooooo...harpgirl...you've joined the corrupted ranks of vile, barbaric, MEN who dare to gently lampoon certain endless wrangles which are presently devouring gigabytes of virtual memory on Mudcat. Shocking! :-) Now, listen, people..."Belgium" is indeed a horrific word... But there is a worse one. Are you ready? *** GUELPH *** It rhymes with elf. It's a city in southern Ontario, Canada. There are some catchy songs about the place, like: "Arriverderci, Guelph" "I Left My Heart In...Guelph" And my favourite.. "Guelph, Guelph" (Sinatra really should have recorded that one. It would have been a huge hit.) - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: harpgirl Date: 15 Aug 02 - 09:08 PM no, no, no, Peter...the words are "and keep the right to arm bears". BTW do you know why we like lawyers as psychotherapy clients? Ha, I bet you didn't. Because they always have good health insurance and they never get better!*wink* hg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Cllr Date: 15 Aug 02 - 08:57 PM Gareth "Belgium" (hitch hikers guide to the galexy ref) rudest word in the universe with humans the only race tactless enough to name an entire country after it. Cllr(tory and proud of it mr mcgrath) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Aug 02 - 08:15 PM Actually, there are no words prohibited on Mudcat. It all depends on the context. We try to censor as little as possible, but we get a bit stern with people who appear to be here simply to cause trouble or hurt people. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 15 Aug 02 - 07:54 PM I support the right to arm bears.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Pete Jennings Date: 15 Aug 02 - 03:02 PM What's got three legs and a ****? A drumstool! Pete PS. Well, I thought it was funny.
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: EBarnacle1 Date: 15 Aug 02 - 02:58 PM No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition--Torquemada |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Midchuck Date: 15 Aug 02 - 01:33 PM From some prior threads, I got the impression that the seven forbidden words were: "...the right to keep and bear arms...." But there I go, stirring up trouble again. Peter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Mr Red Date: 15 Aug 02 - 10:06 AM UK only - don't want to offend the colonies (if I can say that!) As a true Black (oops can I say that?) Country boy we used to eat faggots and peas for tea. And we smoked fags. Nowt so queer as folk Forbidden words? It's all in the context and up to 70% of that is normally non-lexicographical in speech and on net forums (or should that be fora) we have to be aware of the loss of context not to mention the common language we don't share. My vote goes to awareness as a result. But I reserve the right to mock PC on my PC. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: GUEST,Oakley Date: 15 Aug 02 - 08:08 AM Late entry from jOhn in Hull's latest post to the Mooman in India thread: "Pot Noddles"
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Aug 02 - 02:02 AM Your point about "Jewish" references is quite apt, Gargoyle...sorta like "You don't touch me, I'm part of the Union" kind of thing, only more so. As for Shatner, I have never been advised by anyone in any position of authority here that I cannot post stuff about him, but I decided to be a bit more circumspect in doing so after some idiot started refreshing every past Shatner thread in existence any time his name came up in a thread title, thus hogging the whole daily page with old Shatner threads. This got tiresome, even for me. Too much of even so rare and wondrous a delicacy as Shatner call make for a jaded palate none too soon. Look what overexposure did to Springsteen after 1985... I still wonder who said idiot is, and I think it might just be someone who hated the very mention of Shatner, and therefore decided to kill it by overexposure. If so, we are dealing with a clever and totally unscrupulous person...but an idiot in any case. So Big Bill now shows up in subtler and less obvious ways. Now tell me, why were you "banished" from Mudcat? I thought you left of your own accord. And when did you leave? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 15 Aug 02 - 01:29 AM gargoyle (& anyone else thats interested!), there are NO "Wiccan" threads at The Annexe, and never have been.I don't know what he means by "which is now persona non grata", The Annexe is alive and well, and has now been running sucsessfully for over a year. John (moderator at The Annexe) The Annexe |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Blackcatter Date: 15 Aug 02 - 12:48 AM But what about Wicca? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 15 Aug 02 - 12:45 AM OK...another thing...not to be discussed are references.... recently made by GUEST regarding retro-active abortions.....they were deleted...within the last 30 minutes.
NOPE FOLKS....that is NOT the 7th Wave.
The Joe Clones are busy tonight
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Blackcatter Date: 15 Aug 02 - 12:24 AM 3. The WICCAN THREADS were a blight until they the saw the light and retracted back into the darkness of the ANNEX...which is now personae non grata. I guess I missed something. Is Wicca not to be discussed? I've been around for 4 years and don't talk very often specifically about my religions (plural intended) but I do mention them in passing occasionally. I am both Wiccan and Unitarian Universalist. Not that I'm encouraging Gargoyle to speak, but... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 14 Aug 02 - 11:29 PM As one who is banished from MC membership - and as one who has had the most threads deleated (under the name below or other personAfications....let's try these in your headers.....
1. We can ask, who is from the UK or South American, who is pagan or Christian....but don't EVER let a thread ask, Who is JEWISH????
2. Requests for German songs such as Horst Wessel are reluctantly answered....but let a reference to HITLER appear (except in such WWII desparaging songs such as "We Will Hang Old Hitler From the Very Highest Bough")....and they are deleted.
3. The WICCAN THREADS were a blight until they the saw the light and retracted back into the darkness of the ANNEX...which is now personae non grata.
4. Don't post information regarding C-O-O-K-I-E-S and how to F-Up the system...that will be deleted too.
5..Attack anything, anyone you want...but DON"T attack max or his toadies.
6. Agreed, Shatner has run the same course as the Wicans and the offending parties have been notified to be on "alert."
7. And the seventh taboo....I will leave to you....but it is bigger than ALL The Rest
Sincerely,
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Bill D Date: 14 Aug 02 - 11:13 PM I'll say anything I please!.. F*** Censorship! Mendacious Rastafrarianism! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 14 Aug 02 - 09:37 PM Jasper Carrot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Wincing Devil Date: 14 Aug 02 - 08:32 PM Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers: Flanders & Swann (discounting the Ampersand) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Aug 02 - 07:45 PM Sanctimonious Liberal Twit? No I can't see any problem there. Political insults are surely privileged.
I suppose if you called someone a Tory they might have grounds for feeling insulted, but not if you meant it as a description of their political opinions, rather than the way they looked and behaved in company.
"There were these three fellas in a bar, and one was a Tory, and one was Labour and one was a Liberal..."Actually it might work out quite well, making the politicist jokes.
Wjho was it bused to go in for telling the Thick-Paddy jokes, but with the target changed to "Sun Readers"? (TThe Sun being a comic that passes for a newspaper in England, with a circulation of millions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Snuffy Date: 14 Aug 02 - 07:35 PM Brit? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 14 Aug 02 - 07:33 PM Okay, here's seven words that you theoretically could say on the Mudcat, but you can bet your ass nobody ever will: "I really think Britney Spears is talented." Wait a minute.... I just said them, didn't I? Oh shit! I lied! Bruce |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seven Words you can't say on Mudcat? From: Gareth Date: 14 Aug 02 - 06:50 PM "Guest" ???? |