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Subject: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 30 Oct 02 - 05:43 PM Has any body heard it, ifso whay do you think about it? |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Peter T. Date: 30 Oct 02 - 05:51 PM Sinead. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 30 Oct 02 - 06:01 PM she is doing a radio on bbc radio 2 now. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 30 Oct 02 - 06:02 PM interview |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: The Shambles Date: 30 Oct 02 - 06:47 PM Saw her tonight on UK Channel 4. Singing, I'll Tell Me Ma. I jest not. It was quite good too. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: The Shambles Date: 30 Oct 02 - 07:13 PM http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1814834665/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=O%27CONNOR*SINEAD/itemid=1591251 For track details. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: michaelr Date: 30 Oct 02 - 08:40 PM Ah yes, the ever-controversial Sinead. This time she's had the gall to record an album of traditional Irish songs. Can you imagine? Actually, it's not a bad record. She does 1. Peggy Gordon 2. Her Mantle So Green 3. Lord Franklin 4. The Singing Bird 5. Oro Se Do Bheatha `Bhaile 6. Molly Malone 7. Paddy's Lament 8. The Moorlough Shore 9. The Parting Glass 10. Baidin Fhelimi 11. My Lagan Love 12. Lord Baker (with Christy Moore) 13. I'll Tell Me Ma Players include Donal Lunny, Sharon Shannon and Steve Wickham. My biggest quibble is the overuse of echo on her vocals. Her voice doesn't need that much help! Overall, I'd rather listen to Niamh Parsons. Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Peg Date: 30 Oct 02 - 11:47 PM I heard a couple of tracks on the radio, including "I'll Tell Me Ma.". I was not impressed, very cheesy effects and boring arrangements and affected singing. But I would like to hear all of it, especially My Lagan Love and Mantle So Green...it's not fair to judge it based on hearing so little but not sure I want to buy it either... |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: The Shambles Date: 31 Oct 02 - 01:55 AM You can hear a RA sample on the above site too. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: GMT Date: 31 Oct 02 - 04:07 AM Shambles, I just listened to the snippet of Lord Franklin and it sounds like she's using slap back echo which would be very distracting. She has a great voice why overly mess with it ? I also saw her on telly last night. I enjoyed her song but Norton acted like a plonker. Cheers Gary |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: The Shambles Date: 31 Oct 02 - 05:05 AM I suppose it is difficult tell if that sound is intentional, or just the limitations of RA. She does/did have a fine voice? I also saw her on telly last night. I enjoyed her song but Norton acted like a plonker. Yes well........*Smiles* I was lucky, I just caught her song at the end of the show |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Watson Date: 31 Oct 02 - 05:40 AM I think this CD is just awful - terribly overproduced. The songs are good, her voice is good, but I won't be unhappy if I never hear it again. I suppose of all the tracks, Oro Se Do Bheatha `Bhaile is the least bad, b ut overall, I don't know why she bothered. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Hamish Date: 31 Oct 02 - 08:54 AM Yep - it's crap. I loved Nothing Compares 2 U, but the production on the new album is all wrong, and somehow her voice isn't suited to the material and comes across as characterless. The only saving grace is that maybe it will attract a new audience who'll want to investigate better exponents. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Watson Date: 31 Oct 02 - 09:00 AM Hamish - if this was your first exposure to folk music, would it inspire you to look for more? |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Ron Olesko Date: 31 Oct 02 - 09:48 AM Watson, Hamish may reply with a different answer, but mine would be "yes". How many people were turned on to folk music by Lonnie Donnegan, The Kingston Trio, or other "commercial" artists. Folk music is a living tradition. Sinead's settings may not be "music to our ears", but as an artist I respect AND applaud her effort. If even a handful of her fans decide to learn more about some of the songs she sings on this new CD, Sinead will have made a significant contribution to perpetuating the arts. Plus the opportunity to hear Sinead and Christy Moore sing Lord Baker is worth the price! Ron |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: The Shambles Date: 31 Oct 02 - 10:49 AM A bit surprised she did not get The Chieftains and Van Morrison. Such a CD is really not complete without them. *Smiles* |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Watson Date: 31 Oct 02 - 10:58 AM Ron, I appreciate what you say, and of course I respect Sinéad O'Connor for a thouroughly professional production. I must admit my remark to Hamish was slightly tongue-in-cheek, but I can just imagine someone hearing the CD saying "If this is folk music, I'd rather listen to something else". I'm not sure I go along with your comparisons. I think the Kingston Trio were very much "of their time" it was inevitable that they would be commercialised, but at the same time, they gave us memorable songs well performed - Tom Dooley must be one of the best known songs of the fifties. The fact that they are still playing speaks for itself. Lonnie Donegan's performance had a raw energy that was lacking in the pop music of the time. I think he caught the music industry by surprise because he fulfilled a need that they had not perceived among the young people of the UK. Sinéad O'Connor is already successful in her own right, and many people will buy Sean-Nós Nua because of her name. I know of one person who will buy it because it's the first time she has heard one of the songs since she sang it at school in Dublin 50 years ago, and of course many will buy it because they like it. My opinion is that there are far better performances of traditional songs to be heard from established folk artists - and probably in singarounds at the local pub. I will listen with interest to Miss O'Connors next release, but this one is not for me. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Ron Olesko Date: 31 Oct 02 - 11:23 AM Watson, I agree with you totally that there are far better performances of traditional songs. Sinead's CD is NOT Sean-nos music. I don't think that she made it because she is trying to capture fans from the traditional scene. This is not a CD meant marketed to Mudatters. She is exploring music as an artist and creating something new for HER audience. The Kingston Trio's version of Tom Dooley was taken from a recording made by Roger Sprung and Erik Darling who learned it from Frank Warner who learned it from Frank Proffitt. The Trio's recording sounds vastly different, and yes they were a product of their time. The rock-a-billy beat that permeated Rock and Roll at the time can also be felt in the Trio's performance - subtle but it is there. The arguements about what Sinead has done with some of these trad songs were heard when the Kingston Trio dipped into the well. Donnegan did the same. True, the Kingston Trio and Donnegan were groundbreakers and I respect (and play) their music. The point I was trying to make is that audiences unfamiliar with folk music DISCOVERED the genre from the Trio & Donnegan. Those that were hooked by the sound went on to discover Frank Proffit and Hudie Ledbetter. My point, as you originally asked, is that some of Sinead's audience MIGHT be turned on to folk music in 2002 because of her recordings. While I don't think Sinead will have the same influence as the Kingston Trio or Lonnie Donnegan, I do think there will be some new attention paid by a new audience. I think that is very healthy. Ron |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Alice Date: 31 Oct 02 - 12:37 PM When I saw her featured on the home page of mp3.com with "sean nos" I cringed a bit, and listening to the sample heard accompaniment... how can she label that sean nos?? Anyway, me being the only artist on mp3.com that had "sean nos" in the keywords to my page, I did begin to have more hits to my tracks of singing. I slapped myself that I haven't yet uploaded My Lagan Love, although I've been meaning to add my track of that song for over a year. As Ron said, maybe it will open the ears of some new listeners, but it did make me cringe. Alice |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Ron Olesko Date: 31 Oct 02 - 01:19 PM The album is actually titled "sean nos nua" which I believe roughly translates to "new old style". I'm sure it makes the ears of many people cringe. I like the CD, but it's not going to one of my favorites - the echo on some of the songs should have been mixed back a bit in my opinion. I just have a problem with people saying that Sinead has "gall" to record such an album or wondering why she bothered to record this. Sure, we all have opinions and that is fine. She did not record a sean nos album nor did she record a traditional album. She recorded songs that fit her sensibilities. I know people have strong ideas about the music they enjoy but to deny an artist the right to experiment is just wrong. These aren't new arguements. Many people hated it when Dylan plugged in an electric guitar. It did not "kill" folk music. Sinead's new CD won't kill sean nos either. Perhaps a few people might even by a Joe Heaney CD out of curiosity over what "sean nos" really is. Ron |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Alice Date: 31 Oct 02 - 01:44 PM More power to her. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: michaelr Date: 31 Oct 02 - 08:10 PM Ron -- my comment on her "gall" was strictly tongue-in-cheek. I have no problem with her choice of material, but I know there are folks who will, and there are those who just hate her since the pope-picture incident. And I agree that "Lord Baker" is the best thing on that CD. Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Skipjack K8 Date: 31 Oct 02 - 08:18 PM ....And the toe-curling RastafarI she snarled on Graham Norton, last time round. I admit I really like her previous stuff, on record, but I have doubts about her vocal ability in the live situation. My fear is based on a famine relief gig a lot of years back, when she duetted 'Don't Give Up' with Peter Gabriel, taking Kate Bush's part. Frankly, she couldn't hold the tune in a bucket. It was piss poor, and embarrasing. Which made me wonder since whether she is totally engineered in the studio. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 31 Oct 02 - 11:19 PM Sorry Micheal, I shouldn't have sounded so upset. I just feel that any "mainstream" artist that dips into the well deserves some credit. I read an interview where she was trying to make this album for over 12 years and none of her record companies would encourage her. She had to wait until she was free from a major label to do it. I'm not a big fan, but I have seen her twice. Once was an abbreviated set - the Bob Dylan concert at Madison Square Garden. That was the week after she ripped up the popes picture on SNL. I was appalled at the way that audience treated her, especially at a concert honoring Dylan. I must say that the audience seemed to be a largely populated by music industry people, which made it that much more appalling. My seat was across the floor in the first level of MSG. On the video you can't really get the feeling of how small and alone she looked on that stage. She was totally alone and the audience was brutal. The freedom of expression is dear to me and when a large portion of that audience booed her I was just shocked. Again, I'm not a big fan of her style of music, but I do admire her ability to be unique. Ron The second time was a few years later at a Guinness Fleadh on Randall's Island. She was superb. Her voice was magnificent and her command of the stage was perfect. Sure the studio adds a lot, but she held her own that night. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Allan Dennehy Date: 01 Nov 02 - 08:05 AM The Irish reviewers wern't very kind to her. The general opinion was that it was overproduced. Personally. I would have thought that she'd have done a better job on it. Pity she didn't cut it about 10 years ago when she was at her best. The Danish reviewers, on the other hand were mad about it. Take your pick. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 27 Jun 03 - 11:06 PM I,bought,thiis,CD,and,I,reckon,its,crap. Luckiliy,i,bought,it,a,pirate,copy, off,Dodgy-Dave,for,3quid. i.m,glad,i,dident,buy,it,from,the,shop,its,shite. theer,is,to,many,intruments,in,it, and,its,too,much,farted,about,with.john ps,if,any,body,wants,it,just,give,me,3quid,and,yoo,can have,it. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: Maryrrf Date: 27 Jun 03 - 11:55 PM I too recently heard some tracks from the CD, although I didn't buy it, thank heavens. She really butchered "My Lagan Love" - horrible arrangement and dreadfully sung, just awful! I would hate to think that someone who knew nothing of traditional music would buy that CD as an introduction to the genre - because it doesn't come close. It certainly is NOT sean nos, new or old style. Everybody's entitled to their opinion but I give it a two thumbs down. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: GUEST,JB Date: 28 Jun 03 - 02:47 PM This woman is a pure chancer to put out a CD like this. If you want to listen to a really beautiful traditional voice and unsurpassed Sean Nos singing, may I suggest Maighread Ni Dhomnaills` "No Dowry" or "Gan Dha Phingin Spre". Her latest recording with her sister Triona "Idir an da Sholas" is also a pure gem. Both recordings are produced by the master himself Donal Lunny. It surprises me all the more that he would get involved Sinead O Connor on this very questionable CD. JB |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: GUEST Date: 29 Jun 03 - 02:47 PM Actually, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Donal Lunny (himself) was the cause of over-producing the album (no one has mentioned who the producer of the album is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was him). Some of Donal's own 'nua' attempts at covering trad material has been dire, as have some of the artists he has produced in that same vein of "contemporary traditional music"--a sound he is now quite infamous for creating in Ireland. And people in the trad music community in Ireland either love it or hate it. Posters here seem to be missing some important points about Sinead and her relationship to trad music in Ireland. First, she has been friends with many of the cream of the crop trad musicians from Ireland and Britain for a couple of decades now. She grew up singing with them, even though she doesn't often perform formally in traditional settings. She has been involved in many of the Irish social, political, cultural, and arts events doing her own thing, and they doing theirs, ie at charity gigs and the likes. She has performed on some of their albums, and some of them have performed on some hers. So it isn't the same as Roger Daltry deciding to do a one off song on a Chieftains album. Sinead is very familiar with the canon of traditional music and song from Ireland. Second, it only makes sense that this CD was badly reviewed in Ireland. The music critics in Ireland--especially the trad music critics are famous for their negativity and begrudgery--especially of musicians who have had worldwide commercial success. And then there was that pope thing...the full page ads in the Irish Times...the list of ways that Sinead has alienated the conservative elements in Irish society are endless, as is their criticism of her. And much of it is far off the mark. I haven't heard the CD, but I have heard Sinead perform traditional songs beautifully, although never in a conservative, conventionally traditional arrangement. So her CD won't appeal to most of the trad purist types anyway. So what? I'm sure she didn't make the CD for them, she made the CD because she loves the music, and wanted to do an album of sean nos and trad songs, the same way she wanted to do a CD of ballads on "Am I Not Your Girl". She made an artistic choice, as is her right as an artist. Some will praise her artistic choice, some will damn it. So what else is new? Sinead live is like most any other performers. When she is on, she absolutely blows you away. When she is having an off night, she sounds like she is having an off night, like any other musician. Her voice is a gift, especially when you hear her sing live without amplification. You quickly realize you are in the presence of a great talented singer and interpreter of songs. I care not one iota whether Sinead attracts anyone to trad music with this CD or not, as I feel that old argument is a bit of a red herring anyway. Great songs are great songs, regardless of where the era or geographical era they come from, as great singers are great singers, regardless of the genre of music they get pigeonholed into for the benefit of music industry sales. I love Maighread Ni Dhomhnaill, Niamh Parsons, Dolores Keane, and many other gifted and talented traditional Irish singers. But none of them compare 2 Sinead! None of them has the voice Sinead has. And I've heard them all, unamplified, live. Sinead is in a class by herself. She says this is her last album, as she is retiring from the music business in July. I think that in light of her decision to retire, her artistic choice to make her last album an album of Irish songs, whether well executed or not according to the trad purists and begrudgers, is quite poignant. It truly does show the tremendous amount of love and respect she has for the music of her cultural roots. Nothing wrong with that in my view. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: ard mhacha Date: 29 Jun 03 - 03:16 PM Maighread ni Dhomhnaill as a singer in my opinion is streets ahead of Sinead. Ard Mhacha. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: GUEST Date: 29 Jun 03 - 03:33 PM And how often have you heard Maighread Ni Dhomhnaill sing anything other than trad songs? I have no problem accepting your opinion, or you not accepting mine (as they say about opinions, they're like...) However, it seems a bit unreasonable to attempt to compare voices of singers who are so totally different anyway. Every singer has something unique about their voice. But as a music lover (as opposed to a trad music purist) Maighread really only performs one style of music (trad, mostly Irish). Sinead performs a number of different styles, and interprets the material she covers with a lot more uniqueness and versatility than does Maighread of the material she covers (Maighread is really a pretty conservative interpreter of songs). C'est v'ivre. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: GUEST,allen woodpecker Date: 29 Jun 03 - 04:49 PM Apparently The Pope bought a copy of "seán nos nua" and he hated it so much, he's started burning pictures of Sinead O'Connor. Utter kack, but who could put it better than John from Hull? a.w. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: mooman Date: 30 Jun 03 - 04:18 AM I like some of Sinead's earlier work very much but was not terribly bowled over by Sean Nos Nua. I don't like the overproduction, although I suspect that Sinead could knock out a fair version of most of the songs in a live and amenable setting. moo |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: GUEST,James Date: 06 Oct 03 - 02:05 PM This is not a great "folk" album...but there are some true Gems here and I enjoy the music for the most part. I agree that it is at times over produced and over sung. However, I admire the spirit behind it and the passion with which Sinead sings these songs. I think it speaks volumes about what kind of musician she is. Unlike many "traditional Folk" artists she is willing to go beyond the usual material we expect from her and take risks. Thgere is no doubt that she is a opnderful singer and I wish she would postpone retirement and give this "folk" thing another go..I think she'd be grand second time round. |
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Subject: RE: Sinead O'Connor's New CD From: black walnut Date: 06 Oct 03 - 03:28 PM I bought it because I liked her other recordings, and couldn't wait to hear her tackle this trad material, but you know what? I don't think I could get through a second listen of it. It's one of the few CD's that I'll probably sell to a second hand CD store. ~b.w. |
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