BS: Scotch People running the country

Subject: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,Folkman
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 08:50 AM

I was listening to a debate on the radio about the new student fees that this government is about to introduce they stayed that "The incresed charges will not apply in Scotland"

I'm sick of these Scotch labour powercrazy arseholes are pushing the rest of the UK around. Just the same is this new law that will make unlicenced music a criminal offence for England, but will not apply in - Sockland - OK I know that it's a Welsh responsible for this, but all the Sweaty Socks have sided with him!!!

If these tartan drunks want power they should go back to sweatland and the Jockish assembly and leave the rest of us alone.

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: Sliding Down The Bannister At My Auntie's House
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 08:56 AM

I am "folkman" NOT YOU! and I take offence to being labelled "Scotch" The only reason we jocks push you brits about, is because you're all wimps!!

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: jimmyt
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 09:29 AM

This seems a prime example of why guests should be banned from making contributions to threads. . Let them read all they want, but not participate unless they are willing to make a commitment to join (hey its free)

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: CraigS
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 09:35 AM

When I was young I was taught that the only thing that is SCOTCH is authentically produced whisky - does this person wish to suggest that the politicians are all drunk (probably true)!

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: jimmyt
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 09:53 AM

THis person should know better than using the term unless he/she desires a confrontation. I am an American and even I know better than that.

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: Mugwump
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 10:03 AM

SCOTCH is an ENGISH word and according to the oxford dictionary it is an abbrieviation of SCOTTISH which in turn means from Scotland. Hence Scotch egg,Scotch person Scotch mist, Scotch Whisky - By the way whiskey was ivented by the irish, the Scotch can't even spell it correctly.

By the way A Scot is a town in Berkshire or an immersion heater.

Sweaty Sock = cockney rhyming slang for Jock. which in turn is an abbrieviation of Jockistani (translated as: tight fisted porridge quaffer)

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,me
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 10:36 AM

Don't forget that Scrooge was an Englisman!

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: jimmyt
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 12:07 PM

I don't pretend to make suggestions on how the English and Scottish and Welsh people should be running your great Kingdom/nation, but I still believe that calling any people a name that they personally find objectionable is rude and in poor taste and generally confrontational. I feel quite sure that all of us could be called some name that we find insulting, so why not consider that before calling someone else something that may offend? Just my old American opinion

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 12:13 PM

The whole matter of devolved government, and why should the Scots get a say in England if the English don't get a say in Scotland has been debated for over 20 years! The West Lothian Question

Nigel

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 01:06 PM

The British Isles contains four different races.
1 The Welsh, who pray on their knees, and on their neighbours.
2 The Irish, who don't always know what they believe in, but are willing to die for it.
3 The Scots, who keep the sabbath, and anything else they can get their hands on.
4 The English, they claim to be a nation of self made men. This takes a terrible responsibility off the shoulders of God.
Take your pick folks.....Giok

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 04:08 PM

I'll take what's behind Door Number 5, Monty.

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: Loqui
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 05:14 PM

Thanks Goik been trying to remember that for a long time

Subject: RE: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,Chivas Regal
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 06:16 PM

I am king of the Scotch!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,Scottie
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 06:36 PM

Jimmyt

What I can't understand is why Scotch people take offence to being called Scotch.

Irish people don't mind being called Irish - They don't say "Irish is a drink - Im an Ire"

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Sliding Down The Bannister At My Auntie's House
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 06:44 PM

Irespective of what you call them - they're making music a crime in England and not in Scotland!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Sliding Down The Bannister At My Auntie's House
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 06:48 PM

Scrooge was a fictional character created by an English man based on a sweaty sock he met in Chatham

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: kendall
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 10:35 PM

Ignorant American tourists, (redundant) are warned, the SCOTS will forgive your ignorance if you call them Scotch, but, don't call them English.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 11:05 PM

Oh, alright. Since the subject has come up yet again...

"Scotch" is a term that was formerly used just as much in Scotland as anywhere else, to describe people or things of Scottish origin. As has already been mentioned, it is a contraction of the word "Scottish"; during the 20th century, however, it has rather dropped out of use except with reference to quite specific things, most notably whisky. In large parts of Scotland, "Scottish" is in any case pronounced so closely to "Scotch" as makes no difference until you see it written down.

Although it can be mildly amusing to criticise people for using the old-fashioned word, it isn't anything to make a big deal about.

Touching briefly on the "West Lothian Question"; although it is clearly inappropriate for MPs who represent Scottish constituencies to have a direct say in matters which affect England only, it is also the case that, until very recently, English MPs had a direct say in matters which affected only Scotland (and the last Tory government refused to convene the Scottish Grand Committee -or whatever it was called- because, although they had a majority in the Commons, they would have been in a very small minority on the Committee); it doesn't seem unreasonable, then, if there is some delay before the matter is put right. Fair's fair, after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Gareth
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 02:11 AM

I've no onjection to the Scots running England, after all look at the alternative

Gareth :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Strupag
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 07:47 AM

Folkman,If "sweaty sock" is supposed to be cockney rhyming slang for jock, then, your comments are nothing less that racist. You should really change your name.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Lyndi-loo
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 08:53 AM

I think our original guest is slightly confused. Under devolution, matters of education and various other things were devolved to a Scottish parliament (the Education and Legal systems in Scotland have always been different anyway). The Scottish parliament commissioned a committee header by Andrew Cubie to investigate how higher education should be funded. The result was no upfront fees, but fees to be repaid when the graduate earnes in excess of £10000 pa. The Scottish parliament is charged to carry out the will of the Scottish people which is why it has passed othere legislation that does not apply to the rest of the UK e.g. paersonal care for the elderly to be free. As for the West Lothian question, we in Scotland have absolutely no objection to an English Parliament passing legislation which will apply in England only, but where there are reserved areas for the westminster paliament which affect the whole of the UK then it is only right that we have a say (ditto for Northern Ireland and Wales)

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Kim C
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 10:26 AM

I had some lovely scotch at my Burns supper Saturday night. The Balvenie, I believe it was. I'm not a scotch drinker, but this was good. It had almost a sweet taste to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,Mac Tattie
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 01:54 PM

Entertainment licenses have allways been required in Scotish pubs and hotels to hold any kind gathering or musical event. cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Boab
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 06:06 PM

Lindy-loo---he's not confused. He's simply a form of Yukhead. Let him be and he'll begin to huff and go sit in his wee corner.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: The Pooka
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 08:24 PM

Giok, lol! Well, this Irish-descended Yank picks the Scottish Scotch Scots. Of whom I once heard it said, by that Great Scot Liam Clancy, that they are a very canny people: they cannae gie ye this & they cannae gie ye thot...

Scottie - I dunno if Ire is a drink, but it does seem to be a pan-celtic character trait, God bless us. Irish, however, is a language. (Y'know, like Ulster Scots. WOOPS! Wrong thread...who was it said, "A language is a dialect with an army"?)

Chivas, you're a Prince at least I'm sure. But your Malts are still Multiple. Kim C of The Balvenie, now you're talkin'. (A bit thickly; but sweetly.) // folkman, leave Cape Cod Massachusetts out of this would ye.

But as to the Issue: Scotland's students, musicians, etc. should not be further oppressed in the holy name of equity. I've never understood the appeal of the notion that justice is somehow served if everyone gets equally screwed. Rather, England should be freed.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Jan 03 - 09:37 PM

"The British Isles contains four different races."

That's a bit dated. Even if you amend it to "four nations" it's inadequate. Don't forget the Isle of Man, whichisn't part of the United Kindgom. (And the Cornish have a good claim in to be regarded as a nation as well.)

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 08:52 AM

Dear Folkman further to your tirade about we from the masterrace running the show could I just remind you that the last time we let you sassenachs loose on being meglomaniacs we got John 'Interesting but grey' Major and Margaret Thatcher and look at the fine mess they got us into !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 08:54 AM

And now Tiny Blair. (Though technically he's Scottish as well.)

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Bagpuss
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 08:57 AM

Who was it that said, "If you can't eat it, drink it, or mend your pants with it, then it's not Scotch!"?

I applaud the Scots for getting their own assembly and for making their own decisions, and its a just a little sour grapes to be complaining that they have made better decisions than we have in the rest of Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: shankmac
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 09:37 AM

It warms my heart and gives me a certain satisfaction to read what our English partner thinks of our British Parliament and, if England was to apply for English indepenance I am sure it would be looked at favourably by the rest of us. A win win situation I think.
Mac

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Kim C
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 10:07 AM

Or as Mike Myers used to say, If it's not Scottish, it's CRRRRRRAP!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: BusbitterfraeScotland
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 08:37 PM

I don't like being called Scotch, I am Scots and not a blooody drink.
And neither are the people born in Scotland either.
We really object to being called Scotch.
Call us Scots please, because we are fed up to the back teeth being reffered as a drink it's bloody Scots right.
And the English have always told us Scots what to do anyway, they have taking our oil, our money, our jobs so it's the westmintser goverment that has ruined Scotland.
Thank you
And Good night.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,jimmyt
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 10:08 PM

and I am not gay.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: jimmyt
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 10:18 PM

Another interesting comment by a guest, let me reiterate, I AM JIMMYT not whomever that is, and incidently I am also not gay. Seems time to deal with guest posts to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 12:50 AM

While I am a Guest, I have never been any other name, and I do agree that sailing under false colors is wrong. I recall in another thread that Joe Offer, nailed our previous GUEST to the wall and if it is him/her in another guise, Joe should do the same.

As to another beauty of Scotland, I annually do the sound for the Scottish Weekend up at Ramblewood MD (scene of the FSGW Getaway). As a result I have now become sort of a yoeman of the Scottish Country Dance groups and was invited to a Burns dinner and dance in Virginia, with several local groups combining for one large affair. If you have not had an opportunity to view a Scottish dance, you have missed something wonderous. Incredible music, dancing (something like corps de ballet) and spirit. The only bad thing was the haggis...

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,Guitarman
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 03:21 AM

Regarding the criminalisation of music in England, about time, I would imagine. Ever been to an English folk-club? You know, the singer with the nasal voice and one finger in his ear and the audience longing to put their fingers in both ears. "On a May mor-ning, with a hey-nonny-no" etc. etc. It has been said that good folk-music comes from oppression, so I suppose that we "Scotch" do have something to thank the English for. PS would I be correct in my assumption that the insulting remarks about Scotland come from contributors in the London/Home Counties/ South of the Watford Gap area? I ask this because in my experience the Northerners are generally pretty decent folk.
Kindest regards,
Guitarman.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,Davtnova
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 04:29 AM

How can you say we're oppressed. We've been running England since 1603, which is why we get more money per head of the population. It's called tribute. It also explains why the government makes sure there are few manual jobs in Scotland and are gradually getting that small number down. This is to let us Scots have a life of leisure which as conquerers we deserve.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: BusbitterfraeScotland
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 07:44 AM

Too True

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 12:51 PM

Kevin [McGrath of Harlow] Please don't mention the fact that Tory Blurr was born and educated, both well, and with grant aid in Scotland. He wants it kept a secret, I mean he doesn't believe it Grammar Schools, or selective streaming of pupils, both of which he benefited from. He tried to stop the establishment of the Scottish Parliament, while officilly paying lip service to the ideal. He also keeps referring to "Middle England", which must alienate more people than Geoffrey Archer. I know that this phrase gets up my nose. Anyway, as far as I, [a Scot] am concerned, he is a traitor to both his country, and his upbringing.

Rant rant.....Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Mugwump
Date: 10 May 03 - 07:02 PM

George galloway, gordom Brown, kennedy ... ha ha !!

Kiltz rool!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Mugwump
Date: 10 May 03 - 07:15 PM

Let's face it, all Jockistanis are money grabbing, kilt wearing, porridge quaffing fairies!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Gareth
Date: 10 May 03 - 07:30 PM

Interesting Giok, Tony B, had a classical upper middleclass up bringing, I mean Fettes (an exclusive school) Oxford (an exclusive university) - called to the bar as a barrister. Very upper class, yet you say "Anyway, as far as I, [a Scot] am concerned, he is a traitor to both his country, and his upbringing." ????

Which reminds me of the joke :-

A Cloud in heaven, sitting on this cloud, harps in hands, are Joe Stalin and Leon Trotsky.

Leon T " Well Joe, this is surpising, for all our diffences and struggles we both end up here, in heaven, singing in the Choir of Angles - I mean what did we have in common ?"

And Uncle Joe turned round, to his pipe out of his mouth and replied, " Well Leon, when all is said and done, we both remained true to our class and upbringing."

And for those (ahem) political illiterate's who don't get the joke PM me and I'll explain it.

Gareth

" Leon Trotsky is a facist,
And I know this for a fact,
For I read it in our Pravda,
When they signed the non-aggresion pact."

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 11 May 03 - 02:54 AM

"misery"---what an apt name!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 11 May 03 - 05:17 AM

there is nothing wrong with the SCOTS, as an old Scottish saying goes 'We're all Jock Tamson's bairns'
So lang may yer lum reek, with ither people's coal.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,Davetnova
Date: 11 May 03 - 04:45 PM

A week or so ago I sat drank and listened and talked to some kilt wearing, porridge quaffing fairies and I didn't have to put my fingers in my ears when they played. The Peatbogs are proud of their heritage and should be proud of their music. How anyone can claim to be interested in folk music and tradition and be as racist and homophobic as some who now frequent this site I do not know.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Davetnova
Date: 11 May 03 - 05:05 PM

And before anybody asks I DID have Haggis for my tea tonight as it happens and it was great.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 May 03 - 07:18 PM

Well, I was going to say how much I liked the Glen Ord Single-Malt that Trader Joe's had for $9.99. My local store had it in stock just long enough to get me hooked. Last time I went there, they were all out.

but as for fighting with the impersonators in this particular thread, I won't bother. Too many people are playing games here. It's not nice, neither.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Lanfranc
Date: 11 May 03 - 07:40 PM

Flanders and Swann said it all, really!

"A Song of Patriotic Prejudice."

The English, the English, the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.

The rottenest bits of these islands of ours
We've left in the hands of three unfriendly powers
Examine the Irishman, Welshman or Scot
You'll find he's a stinker, as likely as not.

Och aye, awa' wi' yon Edinburgh Festival

The Scotsman is mean, as we're all well aware
And bony and blotchy and covered with hair
He eats salty porridge, he works all the day
And he hasn't got bishops to show him the way!

The English, the English, the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.

Ah hit me old mother over the head with a shillelagh

The Irishman now our contempt is beneath
He sleeps in his boots and he lies through his teeth
He blows up policemen, or so I have heard
And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third!

The English are noble, the English are nice,
And worth any other at double the price

Ah, iechyd da

The Welshman's dishonest and cheats when he can
And little and dark, more like monkey than man
He works underground with a lamp in his hat
And he sings far too loud, far too often, and flat!

And crossing the Channel, one cannot say much
Of French and the Spanish, the Danish or Dutch
The Germans are German, the Russians are red,
And the Greeks and Italians eat garlic in bed!

The English are moral, the English are good
And clever and modest and misunderstood.

And all the world over, each nation's the same
They've simply no notion of playing the game
They argue with umpires, they cheer when they've won
And they practice beforehand which ruins the fun!

The English, the English, the English are best
So up with the English and down with the rest.

It's not that they're wicked or natuarally bad
It's knowing they're foreign that makes them so mad!

For the English are all that a nation should be,
And the flower of the English are Donald (Michael)
Donald (Michael) and Me!


'Nuff said

Alan

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 12 May 03 - 10:56 AM

better to have Scotch running the country than the Englich ruining it! Hic!!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Tam the man
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:27 AM

We come Scotland not SCOTCHLAND

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: bobad
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 01:16 PM

Scottish, Scots, or Scotch

Scottish is generally applied to things: Scottish scenery; Scottish education; the Scottish Office.
Scots is generally applied to people: a Scots girl. This is not a rigid distinction; many Scots would not object to being called Scottish, and some things felt to be closely associated with people may have either form: Scots (or Scottish) law.

Scots, as a noun, is the name of the form of English spoken in Scotland, particularly in the Lowlands.

Scotch was once widely used of Scottish things or people; it is now very limited, applied to things which got their names before it fell out of general use: Scotch broth; Scotch egg; Scotch (now sometimes called Scottish) terrier. As a noun, it refers only to whisky.

© From the Hutchinson Encyclopaedia.
Helicon Publishing LTD 2000.
All rights reserved.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 02:25 PM

can't understand what you're grumbling about. If my country had come up with stuff like Talisker and Glen Livet, I'd be very happy to be associated with it.

yeh I wish I was Scotch.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 02:39 PM

Loved the reminder that Flanders and Swann did their own version of "Political Science" slightly ahead of Randy Newman, who put a practical American can-do slant on things (Let's Bomb 'em ALL!).

Anyhow, saying a Scots girl or a Scots man sounds only a little more awkward than leaving 'the' off of Ukraine these days. Not impossible. But it sounds like pluralizing the singular. And only slightly more of a reach for starting a fight in pubs than critiquing the return of red M & Ms.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:09 PM

thinking it over, it must be great being Scotch - all those tins of shortbread, wearing a kilt, playing the bagpipes,..... plus they're all socialists, and Dick Gaughan, and that bloke who wrote caledonia

where are the naturalisation papers
Say it loud
I'm scotch and I'm proud!

scottish, schmottish...whats all that about?

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Tam the man
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:12 PM

NO I'M SCOTS AND PROUD OF IT, however if you want to called Scotch and you come from SCOTCHLAND, then that's up to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Tam the man
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:21 PM

that's if you do

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Tam the man
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:25 PM

if you want to be called 'whisky' then that's for you

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Leadfingers
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:32 PM

Just as a matter of interest I would like to quell that foul calumny that the Scots do NOT have a sense of humour ! I know very well that they have a superb sense of humour , the only problem is finding which particular one of them has it on any particular day!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 05:08 AM

Just think, it is good English to use "Scotch" to describe whisky, eggs and mist on hairy mountains and yet those south of the border have to be continualy corrected by those North of the border in their use of their language. So much for the English Education System!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Torctgyd
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 07:03 AM

How can the people of Scotland proscribe what words the English use in their own language? If you don't like it bugger off and speak your own language!

The word SCOTCH is a good, and correct, English word applicable to all things pertaining to Scotland.

And as for Tam The Man's argument about Scotchland I'd be interested if he'd used that same argument about:-
Germanland
Dutchland
Frenchland
Irishland
Swedishland
Finnishland
Zululand

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Tam the man
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 07:07 AM

Maybe you never know, I just don't being called a drink that's all.


Mind you it's only a word for God sake, Who really cares about it, I just dont' like being called Scotch, and there are many others in Scotland that think the same as me.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Torctgyd
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 11:47 AM

Ah well, there was me trying to wind up some Scottish folks to liven up a boring night and no-one's taken the bait. Back to the drawing board!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 12:01 PM

I've just returned from a 2 week trip to Englandshire myself.

BTW Terry Silver, do you want to go to the Getaway with your leg in plaster?

Giok ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: Scotch People running the country
From: Tam the man
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 07:42 AM

that's ok Torctgyd