BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?

Subject: BS: Is 'conspiracy' GUEST redundant?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 11:19 PM

A GUEST has been coming on this site warning us about government conspiracies. Now he can retire and use his astounding typing skills for other purposes.

Here is a professionally presented "conspiracy theory" with real research and references to credible sources.

9/11 timeline

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:48 AM

Very interesting site. There is enough stuff there to keep anyone busy for a long time.

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: DougR
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 01:34 AM

Yes.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 02:02 AM

Are you saying 'Yes', Doug, to the question: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant'? Or have you read the link that Jack the Sailor gave? I'd like to see this discussed, and I should imagine you would too.

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 02:39 AM

These timelines are EVERYWHERE! Good ones! Some of them break Sept. 11 down into hours, minutes and seconds. They point out things like the fact that when Andrew Card whispered to Bush at the school, Card didn't wait for a response...for instructions, like he should have. He was just delivering the 'mission accomplished' notification. I am IMMERSED in this stuff. Why do you think I'm so angry and panicked? The U.S. government is responsible for Sept. 11. This is a good timeline and there are others. I've posted www.infowars.com and fromthewilderness.com...they have excellent 9-11 timelines.

infowars was where I learned the Pakistani who wired lead hijacker Mohammed Atta 100,000 dollars as final payment was in Washington on Sept. 11. Ahmad was having breakfast with the 2 heads of the intelligence committees in congress...the Senate and the House intelligence committees. The two men who would supervise the joint 'investigation' into Sept. 11. The ONLY investigation the White House allowed. And the two chairmen of the joint committee were HAVING BREAKFAST WITH THE MAN WHO PAID THE LEAD HIJACKER. HAVING BREAKFAST WITH HIM AS THE PLANES HIT THEIR TARGETS! One of a THOUSAND pieces of damning evidence hardly anyone seems to know about.

Sept. 11 has been dissected down to the last detail, and the government is sitting on all information for 'national security reasons'. THEIR security. And the next attack will be bigger folks, so yes, study the heck out of this timeline.

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 02:55 AM

Something I've tried to research but haven't had much luck with is this:

I heard the same air traffic controller that was on duty when the Egypt Air 990 went down (and they said the co-pilot went nuts and ran it into the sea)...the same controller was on-duty in New York state on Sept. 11, and two of the hijacked aircraft passed directly over his station...crisscrossed...on the way to their targets.

If this is so, he could have taken over remote control at that time. The Egypt air crash...the family of the co pilot is still adamant that he wasn't depressed or a religious fanatic, etc., like the final report made him out to be. So an over-ride of the controls could have been the reason for the crash.

And if you look at the second plane hitting the WTC, it is exceeding it's structural capabilities. Banking too fast and traveling too fast. From what I've read, that plane cannot exceed 1.5 g's...unless it's computer system has been tampered with. And estimates are that, as it made a frantic bank to hit the tower, it was breaking apart at 5 g's.

So, were the planes remote controlled? A couple days after Sept. 11, GWBush blathered about how they could take off and fly a 747 by remote, and his handlers got him away from the mics.

Anyway, that air controller was on duty in a town in New York on Sept. 11, and some people say the Egypt Air flight was just a warm up. And on Sept. 11, the Arabs got on the plane without the proper expertise, and a pro took over the remote controls.

I really would like help on finding the guy's name and whereabouts on both dates. The piece of interview I heard...the reporter was adamant about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:44 PM

That's the first I ever heard that full-size airplanes could be remote controlled. Doesn't make sense to me. Why would any plane ever crash due to pilot error or misunderstandings if the air tower could over-ride it? What about Payne Stewart's doomed plane- why wouldn't/couldn't the powers have brought it down? Nah.

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:53 PM

Here's a link to the home page of the site JtS linked to above:

Center for Cooperative Research

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 01:20 PM

GAAAAG I'm in the process of reading the Timeline links. As Little Hawk said, there's a lot of stuff there- I frankly don't know how to eventually read it all.

All emotion aside, it must be accepted that every country/administration does a lot of planning/plotting for future scenarios. It would be remiss not to. The problem here is the evident chain of events.

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 01:58 PM

The problem here is the evident chain of events.

It may be wise to realize that as compelling as it seems, these events are cherry picked from tens of thousands of news items and events. It would be easy for the author to omit things which would tend to alter his pattern.

Though the individual reports have merit when they stand alone, we should try to keep a healthly skepticism about their over all meeting.

GUEST. This site is a community of folk music enthusiasts. If you are only here to give us your message and do not plan to join our community, your behavior is quite rude. You are doing the equivalent of "door to door soliciting" or telemarketing. Since we now have a source of the same information that you offer, which is presented in a much more professional and less frantic way, your missionis complete. I respectfully ask you to chill out and enjoy the Mudcat and to converse rather than preach, or please go find someone else to bother.

I don't speak for anyone but myself but I am confident that most members feel as I do.

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 03:04 PM

I add my voice to yours, JtS. GUEST, your mission is completed...

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: DougR
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 03:11 PM

Ebbie: I was referring to the question posed in the thread title.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 03:22 PM

I think GUEST or at least one of them did join as a member Sparrow. He even submitted a photo but for some reason doesn't log on. Now why is that Sparrow?

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: Neighmond
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 03:57 PM

I'm for my freedoms and the undoing of scoundrels as well as the rest of us, but I come here to discuss music and folklore(see my, er...hefty....posting elsewhere concerning, of all things, childrens' jumping and clapping rhymes to see what I mean), and get Ideas for songs, and perhaps give my fellow 'catters ideas for songs.

I do post things to OTHER sites that I feel would be innapropriate for this one, because they haven't any redeeming qualities versus the space taken up in a folklore-based "community."

So, though I have no problem with GUEST's viewpoints, I feel they ought to find a more appropriate venue, like I have, and take advantage of Mudcat.org's combined brain power for what it was begun for. I feel GUEST (or GUESTS, as they be) would have more impact spreading their news in a Community specially made of Political activists.

Sorry to be a wet blanket, but that's just how I see it.

FWIW

Chaz

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:02 PM

I said in another thread just what JtS said....this sort of discussion 'as a side issue' among folkies can be tolerated...but relentless paranoid harangeing by anonymous 'guests' with ONLY political agendas and off-the-wall 'theories' is rude and tedious...I would love to see a way to control this....(no, I don't see an easy solution...the ONLY possible one would be for everyone to refuse to comment and respond to those who insist on being anonymous...and we have seen what becomes of attempts to start an "ignore trolls" movement.)

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 11:39 AM

The way to deal with "the GUEST Conspiracy" is to simply not add threads to his rantings.
He's made himself into such an insufferable "Johnny One Note" one wonders allowed whether he even qualifyies on a music-themed mssgboard anymore.

Attn Matt Drudge; one of your wing-nuts has wandered off the reservation. Please reclaim. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: Beccy
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 11:46 AM

oh, Taliesn... don't blame Drudge for this one... after all, he WAS right about the dress, n'est-ce pas?

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 02:04 PM

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"oh, Taliesn... don't blame Drudge for this one..."

A pray why not. Have you ever seen him personally interviewed.
I have. There's a lot less substance under that ridiculous Walter wintchel fedora he wears as is security blankey/ gimmick. He "only " takes responsibility for the rank "tabloid" trash fed his site by those with "leak" with an "ideologically correct" agenda.
BTW: Ever see any "investigative dirt" on G Dubya's wild n' crazy "substance abuse" daze on the Drdge Report? Hpw 'bout his palsy-walsy relationship with Ken Lay of the criminally fraudulant
Enron based in Houston "while" G Dubya was Governor?
Whom d'ya think gave him the name "Ol' Kenny boy.

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"fter all, he WAS right about the dress? "

Oh give us "all" a break will ya please if that's your yardstick for credability. Pretty low standard.....even by Texas standards. ;-)
The street credabiliyt rests....from sheer exhaustion

Subject: RE: BS: Is 'conspiracy GUEST redundant?
From: leprechaun
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 04:10 AM

I say bullshit. After Spaw took him to school with the AlienFBIetc. conpiracy, ParanoidschizoGUEST should be ashamed to show his face. He got nothin'.