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Subject: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: GUEST Date: 19 Mar 03 - 01:15 PM The war has started according to London's Evening Standard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Robert Fox, Defence Correspondent and David Taylor, Evening Standard 19 March 2003 British and American troops were involved in fierce fighting near Iraq's main port today as the war to topple Saddam Hussein began. Cruise missiles were also loaded onto B52 bombers at RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire, a clear sign that the bombardment of Baghdad could be only hours away. Lengthy copy-paste non-music article deleted.
Please provide a link, plus a summary in your own words. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: GUEST,Sadsack Date: 19 Mar 03 - 01:31 PM Impressive that we can expend so much money on this when at home so much of our infrastructure suffers - schools, universities, hospitals, roads, railways, etc. Must give Blair one hell of a buzz but does it take people's minds away from day to day problems that have a more real and lasting effect on their lives than this fiasco. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: GUEST Date: 19 Mar 03 - 02:09 PM Iraqi's begin surrendering |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Mar 03 - 02:13 PM "I know everyone in this House wishes our Armed Forces well" Well, yes, one always wishes the best for young soldiers in danger, doesn't one? This does not equate to tacit support for an unnecessary and unjust war. Nor does opposition to an unjust war indicate malice toward the young soldiers whose lives are in danger, but rather opposition to those who put them there unnecessarily and without justification. Remember that, Mr. Blair. Transparent appeals to patriotism have been used to silence legitimate domestic dissent by every aggressor in history. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: JohnnyBeezer Date: 19 Mar 03 - 02:21 PM THIS TOO SHALL PASS! Johnny N |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Linda Kelly Date: 19 Mar 03 - 02:48 PM I thought having your life put in danger rather came with the territory of being a soldier Little Hawk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Amos Date: 19 Mar 03 - 02:52 PM How odd thate evn now, hours later, the scoop by the London Standard has not been replicated on CNN, CBS, or any Google News listing. Whatever is going on? IS it gossip? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: artbrooks Date: 19 Mar 03 - 02:57 PM Or BBC World Service, Amos. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: GUEST Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:04 PM My understanding is that the media is being asked to not broadcast anything about the war until it is well on its way. As the originator of this thread - not of UK origin - I assumed that it was legit. I did see CNN with a banner going under the news saying this had occurred but no specifics. That's why I posted it. Air assets hitting command and control is nothing new - this has been going on for years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:12 PM With all of the media hovering in the region, I expect we'll have front row seats should we choose to occupy the space in front of our televisions tonight, starting at 8pm Eastern Standard Time. This blurb above is filled with future tense verbs: will, shall, could, would. They're anticipating what will happen, hoping to be there first with an article once the shooting starts. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Willie-O Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:14 PM I hadn't seen the Standard, but http://www.Debka.com a partisan Israeli news/muckraking site, posted headlines hours ago, citing reports from their sources that some ground fighting had begun. Quote: "The invasion has begun with the advance of US Marines and British 1st Armored Division into Iraq in the direction of southern key naval port of of Umm Qasr. A second column of US 3rd Infantry Division troops crossed into the demilitarized zone on Iraqi border with Kuwait, with thousands of tanks, combat vehicles and fuel trucks" "IST 15:10 Invasion begins US war commanders grabbed the element of surprise after all. While most analysts and forecasters predicted a mighty aerial-missile blitz over Baghdad as the war's opener, the campaign began Wednesday, March 19 with a lighting advance by Marine forces into southern Iraq along the Shatt el Arb River towards the big naval base and town of Umm Qasr. Fighting alongside the Americans are two brigades of the British 1st Armored Division and naval vessels landing Marine units south of Basra. The first clash of the war occurred shortly after in the mouth of the Khawr al-Zubayr river, a few miles south of Umm Qasr. The US-UK column is heading at top speed for the oil fields of southern Iraq which have been surrounded by American and British special forces since earlier this month. DEBKAfile's military experts view this first major military move in the war as a bold tactic to prevent the sabotage of the oil fields, with the largest field in southern Iraq, Rumailah, at highest risk. A second column of US 3rd Infantry Division troops crossed into the demilitarized zone on the Iraqi border with Kuwait accompanied by thousands of tanks, combat vehicles and fuel trucks." Also there were a lot of rumours flying about the whereabouts of Tariq Aziz, who was hiding in Kurdistan, dead, or being interrogated by the U.S. military. All false, cause he just gave a press conference in Baghdad. Another source--I forget which--reported that troops had at least crossed into the DMZ between Kuwait and Iraq. Personally I think it's entirely credible that ground operations have begun without the media reporting them. There's this sandstorm giving great cover, and most of the "front-line" journalists are under military control as to when they can file. Embedded is the right word for it IMHO. W-O |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: DougR Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:15 PM I do not think the invasion will begin before the heads of state of the countries involved have informed their people. I especially believe this to be true of the U. S. and Great Britain. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Linda Kelly Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:16 PM We have been told on the news in the UK that members of the SBS special boat service which is the navy's equivalent of the SAS are already fighting in Bazra. Another bit of info reported is that some iraqi soldiers in key postions have said they will offer no resistance -how much is propoganda and how much is truth remains doubtful |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: SDShad Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:17 PM Wierd. I can't find this article on the Evening Standard's website. Has anyone come up with a link to the original article? Shad |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: SDShad Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:22 PM I tend to take most anything on Debka with an entire shaker of salt until I see independent conformation. Remember soon after September 11, when they had stories claiming a large Iraqi army was already in Jordan, headed at top speed to invade Israel, and claiming that China had poured tens of thousands of western Chinese Muslim fighters across their border into Afghanistan to go up against the U.S.? Shad |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: GUEST Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:26 PM What Willy-O has posted would tend to corroberate the original article. MSNBC has several articles about the air strikes on Iraqi Artillery positions and the beginnings of some Iraqi surrenders. That many of the United States forces are in the DMZ is no surprise - DougR - for once in my life I don't agree with you. I believe the US will strike without telling anyone but the commanders in the field. To do otherwise would make our troops sitting ducks for sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Troll Date: 19 Mar 03 - 05:24 PM www.drudgereport.com has the story. I think the announcment and the orders to attack will come at the same time. (I can't spell simultaneously) troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Mar 03 - 05:50 PM That's true, Linda. It also goes with being a cop or an FBI agent. So? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: SDShad Date: 19 Mar 03 - 05:55 PM Thanks for posting that, Troll. Funny thing is, if you go to the Evening Standard's main War on Iraq: Latest News page (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/waroniraq/), the article isn't there. Yet that's the subdirectory where this article resides (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/waroniraq/articles/3895393?version=1). How odd. Not that the news itself is too unusual. The 101st Airborne, among others, had already been inserted into Normandy before the landing "officially" started, f'rinstance... Shad |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Rick Fielding Date: 19 Mar 03 - 06:08 PM Geez, I didn't think he'd start it til "Best Director" was announced. Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: gnu Date: 19 Mar 03 - 06:11 PM Uh... about six weeks ago, if you are talking about military action. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Peter Woodruff Date: 19 Mar 03 - 07:54 PM Hello Guest, It's 8:06 and no news of war yet. Peter Woodruff |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Peter Woodruff Date: 19 Mar 03 - 08:02 PM Dear Guest, Dan Rather said at 8:10 PM EST " The invasion has not begun." Peter Woodruff |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Amos Date: 19 Mar 03 - 08:03 PM Here's one perspective on what you can expect from your radio and TV set over the next few weeks: Saudi News Opinion Piece Regards, A |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Peter Woodruff Date: 19 Mar 03 - 08:04 PM Dear Guest, Ever listen to Dan Rather? He likes to report in the passive tense. Peter Woodruff |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Mar 03 - 10:23 PM Doug R, sorry, but this time you were wrong. Dubya didn't say a thing, just told his good ol' boys to go in shooting. It's on all of the networks now. I've turned the tv off and am going to put on the Mudcat CDs and listen to something worth listening to! SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Forum Lurker Date: 19 Mar 03 - 10:52 PM Peter Woodruff-The planes have already started on Baghdad. NBC was reporting launches as of 9:05, which for DougR is ten minutes before Dubya made his speech. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: GUEST Date: 19 Mar 03 - 11:09 PM No Peter I do not listen to Dan Rather. Rather wouldn't know how to find his arse with a flashlight and a ten woman search party. Matter of fact Mr. Rather went into the Marines as a youth and was thrown out as unable to make it. Then later on claimed active honorable service. You may, however, since it is a free country, listen to whomever you please. I have family there and I believe what they tell me. The war started many weeks ago - the first actual "declared" shots occurred prior to anyone on this forum being able to substantiate it. The air campaign was removing targets that might impede the progress of the ground troops. It's called "Air Interdiction" and is commonly done prior to the ground assault. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Mar 03 - 11:16 PM Well we lobbed some 30 or 40 cruise missiles at a selected target. They say they are accurate to witin a meter or so. AND this was a target of opportunity......a "DE-Capitation Target"........in other words, we took a shot at where all intel believed Saddam to be. So if we killed him, is it over? yeah, right.......30 missiles onto one complex......How the hell are we gonna' know anyway? That's a lot of rubble! No matter, right? Let's get on in there and really kick some ass!!! Put Lee Greenwood on the loudspeakers and let's do some more "pinpoint" bombing............ ......geeziz................. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: GUEST Date: 19 Mar 03 - 11:27 PM Better Lee than the trio of idiots - |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Little Robyn Date: 19 Mar 03 - 11:38 PM Here we go, here we go, here we go.... NZ TV1 is linked to NBC right now and we're getting live coverage of the war, instead of afternoon TV. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: JudyR Date: 20 Mar 03 - 12:11 AM Nope. Didn't get him this time! Guess we missed! He's about to go on state TV, we hear. I just heard reports from Jordan and Iran -- whose populace has now turned totally against us and hates us more than Israel. Quite a feat we've accomplished, eh? The war has just been made a more dangerous place than it was yesterday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: JudyR Date: 20 Mar 03 - 12:53 AM I meant to say the world has just been made a more dangerous place than it was yesterday. How anyone could not see this -- I cannot fathom. Or that we are going into this with the motive of saving and helping the Iraqi people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: alanabit Date: 20 Mar 03 - 04:14 AM Of course we are helping them. In our wisdom we just know that their kids really need to have their heads blown off... We are going to war for peace and justice and freedom and all that stuff, aren't we? Has anyone heard this sort of stuff before? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Hrothgar Date: 20 Mar 03 - 05:26 AM The best way to support our troops is to bring them home. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Frankham Date: 20 Mar 03 - 09:20 PM The geopolitical scene is such that only chaos can result from Bush's actions. If there are any Iraqi's left, they will be probably either slaughtered or imprisoned,. if not by troops, by the Islamic Shi'ite factions. Turkey doesn't want the US involved in their strike against the Kurds. They want that northern Iraq territory. This is why they don't offer ground space for Bush's war. As for assassinating Saddam Hussein, this might not be done. Bin Laden has been able to elude his hunters and Hussein could probably do the same. The idea that this is being done for "democratic principles" is ludicrous. No one can benefit from the slaughter of innocent Iraqis and if the country does become another puppet of the Bush Administration, there will surely be a rebellion against the presence of American troops there. In the meantime, no one is paying attention to Afghanistan. There is some propaganda about capturing one of the top Al Quaeda officials but what is so peculiar about this enemy posing is that it's all about individuals who are seemingly threats but not about the movements they represent. In the meantime, Al Quaeda and the Taliban are probably re-emerging in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Now that they are being ignored in favor of Hussein, they can have a field day. This blunder of Bush's will cost the American people any sense of security. The world is a very unstable place at the moment. It's the case of the prescription medicine killing the patient. Forget about peace in the Middle East. Bush can't be an honest broker. (No Camp David Accords). This pre-emptive business has given both Israel and Palestine a green light to strike whenever they please. They have the Bush Administration for a behavioral model. (This of course goes for any aggressive country in the world.) The best that can be done now is to vote Bush out of office or make attempts to impeach him. Remember he does not have a mandate by the people and squeaked in by default. (Harris and Renquist). Another possibility is that Bush might be indicted by the World Court at the Haig for war crimes. IMHO this is appropriate. I grieve for our country. We have been truly Bush-whacked. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: BS: The war started about an hour ago - From: Forum Lurker Date: 20 Mar 03 - 10:06 PM If he's indicted by the Hague, he'll deny jurisdiction. Unfortunately, he'll probably have better luck with it than Charles I. |