BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?

Subject: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: The Pooka
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 09:55 PM

Can somebody explain what's going on here? Is this move brilliant, or bizarre? Or, both? (Please excuse pasting of lengthy article. To me, it defies accurate summarization.)

Bush Visit Seen as Chance to Seal N.Irish Peace
April 4, 2003
By Alex Richardson

BELFAST (Reuters) - U.S. President George Bush's visit to Northern Ireland next week was seen here as offering hope for a major breakthrough in shoring up peace in one of the world's longest-running conflicts.

Although the primary purpose of the visit is to hold talks on the Iraq war and the Middle East with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the U.S. leader will also discuss Northern Ireland with Irish prime minister Bertie Ahern and local politicians.

Bush is not seen as sharing his predecessor Bill Clinton's deep interest in Northern Ireland, but his visit was welcomed by local politicians as evidence of U.S. commitment to securing a final peace settlement to the 30-year "Troubles."

"It's a pretty important week in the peace process here," a British government source said of Bush's visit.

"He's coming to encourage the parties to sign up to acts of completion," he added, referring to major concessions both British Protestants and Irish Catholics are expected to be asked to make to revive the landmark 1998 Good Friday peace accord.

The leaders also hope to highlight the successes in Northern Ireland -- where violence has greatly diminished since the guerrilla cease-fires of the mid-1990s -- as an example for efforts to broker a deal in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

"Blair has always seen what's happened in Northern Ireland as a possible model for peace processes elsewhere, and particularly in the Middle East," the British source said.

The home rule government set up in Northern Ireland under the 1998 agreement collapsed in acrimony in October, with Britain restoring direct-rule from London after the discovery of an alleged IRA (Irish Republican Army) spy ring.

Bush's visit next Tuesday comes two days before the calendar anniversary of the Good Friday deal, when Blair and Ahern plan to make a final pitch to bring feuding Protestants and Catholics together and revive the power-sharing administration.

HOPEFUL SIGN

News Bush was coming in the midst of the Iraq war took the province by surprise, but analysts saw it as a hopeful sign.

"It's really quite a remarkable symbolic gesture by the Bush administration to get involved and you would guess that they would only get involved if in return there would be some payback in terms of the (Northern Irish) parties jumping," said Paul Dixon, a lecturer in politics at the University of Ulster.

Unionists have long demanded that the IRA, whose political wing Sinn Fein held seats in the provincial administration, totally disarm as part of the peace process.

Dixon said he would expect a major gesture by the IRA as part of any major step forward in the peace deal.

Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams welcomed Bush's visit, saying it was "a strong signal of his support for the Good Friday Agreement and the Irish peace process."

"The U.S. administration and Irish America have played a constructive role in the process for some years," he added.

The province's main Protestant leader David Trimble -- unlike Adams a strong supporter of the U.S.-British military action in Iraq -- also welcomed the visit, but highlighted unionist fears of perceived concessions to the IRA.

"I trust a common approach to terrorism will be taken, irrespective of whether it is in the Middle East or Northern Ireland," he said. "I would caution against any mixed messages."

Britain's outgoing ambassador to Ireland, Sir Ivor Roberts, said Bush's visit would undercut critics who said his administration was less committed to the peace process than that of Clinton, who visited the province three times.

"The fact is he is coming not to London, but to Northern Ireland. He will be meeting the Taoiseach (the Irish prime minister) as well the political parties in the north," Roberts told state-run RTE television.

"What we are still waiting for is a firm indication of what acts of completion will take place among the paramilitaries...I hope the prospect of a visit by the President of the United States will bring that into sharper relief."

(Additional reporting by Michael Roddy in Dublin)

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 10:37 PM

Oh for God's sake, "faith and begorra, pardner!"

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: The Pooka
Date: 04 Apr 03 - 11:03 PM

Har har / "God save Texas said the heroes, God save Texas said they all..."

Yeah but what I wanna know is, what's the Anglo-American-Irish (Bertie's in on this, remember) geopolitical strategy, here (if any)? [And assuming there is one: are we "On Plan"?] iow - WHY NORTHERN IRELAND for this latest summit? Because of the Israeli-Palestinian analogy?? Or, What? (My guess: What.)

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Troll
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 01:54 AM

I'll go with 'what'. Or maybe it's like trying to walk and chew gum at the same time. You know, handle more than one major crisis at the same time.
Or maybe G-d told him to.
Hmmmmmmm
"What." Yeah. I'll go with 'what'.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 12:10 PM

On to Damascus, on to Dublin. Keep'em guessin, Feel the Rumblin!

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 12:22 PM

I won't touch this one with a 10-foot pole, or even a 20-foot one!

What's going on for entertainment at the local pubs that weekend? Maybe someone should adise the White House staff of the options.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Frankham
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 12:31 PM

Isn't Ireland committed to the use of the Euro? Don't they want to be part of the EU? Britain has resisted the Euro.

Also, Northern Ireland is a "protestant" country. Might this have some bearing also?

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Frankham
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 12:35 PM

Also, what about oil drilling backed by US dollars in the North Sea?

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Alba
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 02:26 PM

I'm with Charley Noble on this one.....Im staying out of the why's here....but it does seem to me that George is about as much use as a chocolate watch when it comes to encouraging "peace"........just keeps getting stranger and stranger.......

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: MARINER
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 04:59 PM

It strikes me that what will possibly happen is that the I.R.A. will announce that it's to disband, and hand in all it's weapons, thus proving to the world what great "peacemakers" Bush and his poodle Blair are.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Strupag
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 08:04 PM

What do you call a poodle's poodle?
MacConnel!

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 10:33 PM

Ya really think? I doubt it very much. Nobody is going to "give up". Oh well.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 11:09 PM

He has come as a public service to clean IRA graffiti

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: DougR
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 12:34 AM

Maybe he just wants to see Northern Ireland.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 03:30 AM

I'd say he's going so that he can kiss the Blarney Stone*, but I think he already found his own to kiss a long time ago....*embedded* in his arse!

* No offence intended to anyone Irish, nor the actual Blarney Stone

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: The Pooka
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 04:04 AM

Yeah DougR, could be. Again Dubya emulates Bubba, his predecessor whom he so greatly admires & who visited Norn Iron 3 times during his illustrious presidency. In addition to sending them George Mitchell of course. :)

Charley Noble, good idea re the entertainment. But somebody had better brief the distinguished visitors on the difference between Republicans from West Texas and republicans in West Belfast. The visitors may want to Steer clear of the nationalist pubs, considering the Sinn Fein position on their foreign policy.

However, MARINER and Sorcha, if Bush could induce the IRA and the Orange paramilitaries to actually, finally, fully "decommission" -- let alone *disband!* -- well Hell, *give* him the Peace Prize sez I. Give him honorary Mensa membership. Anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: The Pooka
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 04:39 AM

But now that I've thought a little (which is my Quota) about this, here's the deal. Tonybear & the Taoiseach are about to announce their latest Plan to re-start the Northern Ireland Peace Process. At the same time, the Bush administration is ready to proclaim its new Roadmap to Peace between Israel and the Palestinians. Both will entail mortal enemies accepting each other as trustworthy negotiating & governing partners, and pressure on the dominant tribe in each venue to agree to the further erosion of its own power. Analogies, albeit flawed, abound.

Accordingly, in Belfast the President will endorse & hail the 2 Prime Ministers' past NI progress and present NI Plan, as the Role Model for his Road Map to Peace in the Middle East.

How's that?

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 09:20 AM

Now lads, hold on. Since the Brits pulled out of southern Ireland 80 years ago we (the people of the Irish Republic) have been repressed by a regime headed by Fianna Fail and the Church which kept the people ignorant and subservient while all the wealth on the country was sent to the Caman Islands and Rome. Tony Blair, in his wisdom and sense of justice has decided to liberate the Irish people from this repression. At the Belfast meeting he will tell Bertie Ahern to get out of Ireland. He knows that when he sends his troops to Dublin and Galway and Cork they will be welcomed with open arms just as they have been welcomed in Basra and Baghdad. Bush will send his troops to Shannon Airport to rescue his plane which was attacked by a vicious terrorist using a lump hammer. Checmate.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 12:02 PM

So, let's see if I've got this straight. The Israelies are going to be transported to Northern Ireland, the Palistinians to Texas, the Protestant Irish to the Middle East, and the Catholic Irish to New York City. What a plan!

Have I left anyone out?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: The Pooka
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 12:49 PM

LOL! to the both of yez. / Guest, brilliant! / Charley, no, you've surely Left no Child Behind; but the destinations have been revised. Pursuant to the new plan entitled "Walking the Path to Peace in the Other Guy's Shoes", Gerry Adams takes over Tel Aviv while Rev. Paisley rules the Gaza; Arafat relocates to the Shankill and Sharon runs the show in the Falls. / Subsequently, the exiled Bertie Ahern becomes Mayor of New York City after instituting the "Transferable Votes" election system there. (Sadly though, Benjamin "Ari" Netanyahu fails in his bid for Governor of Texas. Too right-wing for 'em.)

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: DougR
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 12:58 PM

There is some awfully fancy thinking on this thread! :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: michaelr
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 02:57 PM

I see a great opportunity in this visit... Some crack sharpshooters in both IRA and Ulster militia... the best thing that could happen to the planet...

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: kendall
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 06:57 PM

May God save and protect President Bush. His replacement scares me ever more.
Bush once said he had never had a passport. Will he get one now?

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: The Pooka
Date: 06 Apr 03 - 10:19 PM

Some say his replacement has been in charge all along, Captain. But michaelr, this non-Bushite says Amen to kendall's prayer & believes that your post is a darkly-humored hyperbolic metaphor for your views.

I will suggest, however, that there's a potential legal issue here, passports aside. To wit: after the Pentagon's crack sharpshooters fired 40 cruise missiles at Saddam personally and missed, the White House declared that notwithstanding US laws prohibiting political assassination, a foreign head of state who is also commander-in-chief of hostile armed forces in wartime is a legitimate military "leadership target". Well. I'm not sure who is the Goose & who the Gander here, but I do hope our Prez doesn't get into the Sauce (so to speak) over in the County Antrim. Security should be VERY tight. Seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: DougR
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 01:17 AM

Michaelr: what a sick post. And coming from one who is so opposed to killing people (supposedly).

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Gervase
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 05:20 AM

Sick? Nah! Can't think of a better use for the Barrett .50 that some well-wisher in the US sent the PIRA boys. Now if they could get Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Perle in the sights as well...

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 06:34 AM

I hope they send some US fighter planes across, that friendly fire will work wonders. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 10:33 AM

Geezz! Can't you guys come up with something less violent proposals, such as wet noddles or mooning? You're talking about a President who almost won a majority of the minority who bothered to vote last time around! If that ain't a mandate to rule the universe, I don't know what is!

Sorry, someone is knocking on my door!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 10:42 AM

I haven't read this whole thread, but offhand, the global elite don't need the Irish diversion anymore. The CIA and MI-6 are responsible for most of the terrorism in the world, and now that the mid east is heating up, the old traditional enemies of the status quo won't be needed. Itzak Rabin was killed right after he admitted Israel helped create Hamas, the anti-Iraeli terror group, and MI-6 funded and aided the Irish, and the CIA created most of the terrorist groups now in the headlines. The govts of the Anglo-American Empire needed enemies to keep the funding going...to fight 'enemies', even though the enemies were of the govts' own making...and now it's time to unite the white world for WW4. That's it in a nutshell. Oh, and the whole thing is controlled by the Germans. The Third Reich never died...it just shifted it's business interests to the US and married into the English Royal family.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 12:24 PM

DG-Get some evidence or get a life.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: DougR
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 12:33 PM

Gee we have some adventurious folks here on the "Cat" don't we? Nah, the Secret Service has a lot more to do than monitor a site frequented by liberals who would like to bring harm to the president of the United States. They take threats against the president very seriously, you know. Nah, they wouldn't do that! Would they?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 12:55 PM

We take his threats to our planet very seriously, too, Doug. As a pacifist I cannot join in actually wishing him dead, BUT I can give thanks that he experiences instant karma, however the Universe wants to interpret that, and bless and release him on his way, wherever that may lead. He has sown a lot of fear, intimidation, grief, destruction, and paranoia and he will reap what he sows, one way or another.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: diesel
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 01:47 PM

Is it not possible that Bush and Blair want to reduce the rate of friendly fire incidents in the Gulf - and are 'hiring' some of the snipers from Rep/Loy. sides ?

Or maybe even in their enthusiasm to show that Iraq will be returned to an Iraqi administration as they claim - maybe they ar egoing to show good faith by allowing Tony to 'give back' the North!

Just thinking out loud.....

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 02:03 PM

Well hi all you thick ignorant Scottish, sure tis great to be over here and tell you guys to behave and stop shootin`and killin` and those bombs you guys are usin` wouldn`t blow the top of a jam-jar, use REAL block-busters like our wonderful brave air-men in Iraq, or is it Iran, dosen`t matter they are all AA-RAABS. Look at the way we took out those Kurd guys, now that was a real bomb.
So as I say behave like all good citizens of the US and be peaceful loving and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. George Bush.
Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: The Pooka
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 02:36 PM

Updates (again with apologies for lengthy cut/paste & hoping to get away with same if Joe Offer will allow) -

Reuters excerpt, April 7:

...Over the weekend, U.S. military transport planes were seen arriving at an airfield outside Belfast, and by Monday a steel barrier had been erected around the venue, in the picturesque village of Hillsborough, south of the Northern Irish capital...

Excerpts, The Associated Press, Apr 7 2003 1:52PM BELFAST, Northern Ireland (AP) -

...By agreeing to Blair's request to meet in Belfast, Bush is taking the boldest step of his presidency into the decades-old conflict in Northern Ireland, and adding a set of issues that complicates his trip...

Blair, a stalwart ally of Bush in the Iraq war, hopes presidential backing will strengthen his hand when he publishes his government's new Northern Ireland plans by Thursday, the fifth anniversary of the Good Friday pact...Bush and Blair drew Ahern into their talks on Northern Ireland, inviting him to a lunch on Tuesday.

The location of the summit, Hillsborough Castle outside Belfast, shields Bush and Blair from the kind of mass anti-war protests that have engulfed London and other European cities. Members of Sinn Fein, the political arm of the Irish Republican Army, planned to demonstrate against the war outside the castle.

But there was unprecedented security at the castle, and in contrast to previous meetings there, protesters were not allowed near the gates. Placards in downtown Belfast branded Bush a ``war criminal'' and urged citizens to join anti-war protests Monday.

Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams said he was troubled by the ``insensitivity here about calling a war summit in Ireland.'' ``It doesn't take into account the concerns that the vast majority of people here have about what's happening in Iraq,'' Adams said in Belfast's News Letter newspaper. ``If I have the opportunity, I have no problem being on an anti-war demonstration and then going in to talk to the president.''

Bush and Blair are also trying to breathe new life into the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians. Blair has previously held up the progress in Northern Ireland in recent years as a model to inspire peace in the Middle East. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said there are no plans to release Bush's long-sought ``road map'' for Middle East peace during the meeting.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 04:48 PM

First, this story is barely being covered today in the US press, which can't stop themselves from incessant reporting of the minutia of the Iraqi war games.

However, this meeting isn't being portrayed as a trip to help Blair with the Good Friday Agreement. Rather, it is being portrayed as the first "summit" between Blair and Bush on the carving up of post-war Iraq. Of course, the media doesn't refer to it as a meeting for that purpose, because the media is still presenting the American intentions in Iraq with the smiley face liberation slant.

I'm listening to the NPR report now. The top of the report as being for the purpose of presenting the "unified front", but on Blair's turf this time. The report is saying that the summit is about post-war Iraq, and other Middle East problems, and "defining the UN role". Don Gonyea, the NPR correspondent travelling with Bush, didn't even mention the Northern Irish peace process. Not once.

So, the answer from the American side is--the real reason for the so-called summit is the propaganda war. Bush only agreed to go to Northern Ireland because technically, his administration can now claim it is attempting to heal the rift between Washington and Europe. That is why Bush is accompanied by Powell. If I were Torie Blair I'd be feeling very nervous about the lack of British involvement in the post-war plans, much less the UN, NATO and the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 05:43 PM

Anyone for a beer?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 12:09 AM

The first 'breakthrough' after Sept 11 was with the 'Irish situation'. They promised to be good. Immediately. And Bush said he'd help Spain murder Basque seperatists. And now it's Britain, the US and Spain murdering Iraqis. Not coincidence. MI-6 ran the Irish terrorism, and Blair had the power to shut it down overnight. That's not faulting the Brits, because the US ran the infamous 'School of the Americas' in the US for 40+ years. That's where all foreign terrorists and dictators came to learn torture and murder techniques.

We are being herded around by our leaders by successive terrorist events. The Cold War was one long terrorist exercise. The Bush family's drug cartel was created through terrorism. Major banking and other money concerns buy governments, which in turn train terrorists to keep people scared and confused. This isn't rocket science. It's not complicated. It's all out in the open. Rabin commented on it and was killed. JFK commented on it and was killed.

And look for your own evidence, Lurker. I've done my homework, and if you can use google, so can you. Advance to the next grade.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: DougR
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 02:46 AM

Yep, kat, and a small minority of the population of the U. S. agrees with you. The rest of us are scared to death.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: The Pooka
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 02:57 AM

Sure, Charley Noble; thanks. Um, got a stout by any chance? Murphy's, maybe? :)

Guest says, "So, the answer from the American side is--the real reason for the so-called summit is the propaganda war." Well, sure. But as to the question "Why in *Northern Ireland*?", one answer is: because Bush owes Blair, bigtime, & Tony is calling in some chips. Tuesday's agenda is NI -- at least after Bertie gets done with putting in his oar about a UN regency for postwar Iraq. Consider the AP except below. (Making allowances for the writer's vagueness as to distinctions among Hillsborough, Belfast and Derry.)


(by Scott Lindlaw, Associated Press) -

...Irish Prime Minister Bernie Ahern, invited for talks Tuesday on Northern Ireland, said he would tell Bush the United Nations should have a primary role in Iraq's reconstruction.

Bush added a complex set of issues by heeding Blair's call to meet in Northern Ireland and to back Blair's peace blueprint, due out later this week. Blair has racked up IOUs from Bush by backing the president on Iraq in the face of fierce opposition at home.

Following their meeting, the two leaders planned joint statements on both Northern Ireland and Iraq.

Blair hopes presidential backing will strengthen his hand when he publishes his government's new Northern Ireland plans by Thursday, the fifth anniversary of the so-called Good Friday accords. The pact sought to end three decades of sectarian conflict in the British territory.

The visit demonstrates Bush's support for Blair's approach, administration officials said.

``This is a very significant step in the life of Northern Ireland,'' Powell said.

The Iraq war undercut support for Bush among some citizens in Belfast.

In the Bogside district, a 50-foot-high wall that for more than three decades has read ``You are now entering Free Derry'' was painted solid black in a gesture of mourning for Iraqis killed in the war.

The area's veteran civil rights activist, Eamonn McCann, said most Derry Roman Catholics considered Bush a hypocrite for telling the Irish Republican Army that violence doesn't pay.

``Bush is saying to political leaders here: Give up the gun, don't use violence to pursue political ends, follow the rule of law. He is demanding that they do that even as he prosecutes the war in Iraq,'' McCann said. ``I doubt if I've ever encountered anything as grotesquely hypocritical as the exercise in Hillsborough.''

04/08/03 01:42 EDT

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 05:51 AM

That's really sad, Doug, that you are scared to death. I guess that will leave the so-called minority to run things, then, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 10:51 AM

DG-You see, the burden of proof is generally on the person making accusations, which is you in this case. We can all read the actual story in the news, but few of us consider your conspiracy theory credible enough to try to back it up themselves. Put up or shut up.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: GUEST,DG
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 12:33 PM

Read some headlines, lurker. Why should I do your research for you? School of the Americas, Blair and MI-6, Rabin and Hamas. Do some searches. The stories are out there. The British bloodline = German. Corporate ownership and petro-banking cartels, German/British/American. Nazis rescued by Americans to continue research. Race-specific viruses ready for the 'ultimate solution'. If you're really interested in knowing this stuff, do your homework. I don't have time to do your research for you. Buy guns, though, so you'll at least have a chance to de-nazify your life when the time comes.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: DougR
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 01:13 PM

Now THAT would be REALLY be scary, kat! Nope, I'm not concerned that the small minority will every run things. And, as I'm sure you know, the remark about "being scared" was tongue in cheek. :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 01:24 PM

Be careful, Doug. Your subconscious is like a computer..it beleives everything put into it, negative and positive and will work to manifest such!:->

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 02:52 PM

"Race-specific viruses ready for the 'ultimate solution", Dratted Guest? Now, that's a neat trick.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Grab
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 04:20 PM

"Ultimate solution"? Isn't that the stuff that dissolves the crud off ovens?

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: The Pooka
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 05:16 PM

Reuters - "...Bush briefly met Northern Ireland's various Catholic and Protestant political parties before flying out mid-afternoon..."

VERY briefly, before flying out in a BIG hurry, is my guess. Asking Colin Powell, "Now, who'd you say them funny-talkin' fellers was? That one with the beard, seemed like a damn Commie & he wuz speakin' some kinda weird French poetry in thar somewhars, sumpin' 'bout Sin bein' Fine, probly a atheist. An' then that other honcho with the glasses an' the King James Bible, hollerin' 'bout some guy Norton Iron an' the Peepists controlling him, mus' be more o' them preeverts. You just tell ol' Tonyboy ah back him all the way, whatever the hell it is he wants over here; now Let's Roll. We got us more evildoers to kill."

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 08:25 PM

Maybe he's having an "out-of-body" episode.

My brother-in-law swears he's on Prozac! (shrub, not my BIL)

Personally I think he isn't George Sr.'s son but a clone gone "bad".

CB

Subject: RE: BS: Why Bush is in Belfast /The Real Reason?
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 09:07 PM

DG-Rabin was assassinated because he was too moderate, a significant percentage of Americans are of German descent, as are ultimately many of the French and British, and race-specific viruses are about as practical as antigravity belts. You need to look at ALL of the facts, not just the stories that support your bizarre worldview.