BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?

Subject: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 02:58 PM

There isn't much in the press about this incident which set my little alarm bells all a jingling. Where is Donuel???

Coincidences?;within a day of the Euro referenda in Sweden; suspect looks like a whacko complete with US Army pants and Nike shirt(US involvement???). More coincidental strangeness, US Ladies Golf Team + their support people all over Stockholm.

Does it remind people of the Kennedy assasination?

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 03:09 PM

I've no idea what you are talking about. Link please?

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 03:11 PM

No, not at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 03:51 PM

Here ya go, Sorcha:

Swedes reject Euro

Kennedy assassination? What are you smoking, sorefingers?

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 04:16 PM

You mean the US media have ignored this? I find that pretty disturbing, especially in a country that aspires to world leadership.

I'm afraid michaelr's link is to the wrong story (though one related to it.

Here is the right link - the murder of Anna Lindh on Wednesaday .

She was the Swedish foreign minister, and spearhead of the campaign to get Sweden to join the euro, and she was stabbed as she went shopping by an assassin in a baseball cap who just walked away and vanished. I imagine there are conspiracy theories that this was an attempt to swing the voters to back the euro, because the polls were going the other way. Or maybe it's that she was a strong opponenet of what is happening in Iraq. I think it's more likely just a nut with a knife.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 04:35 PM

It's been covered in the US, just as the earlier assassination there was.

I understand that the failure to capture the earlier assassin has been a source of Swedish embarrasment, and this adds to it.

There is no way any protective service can totally secure anyone or anyplace from a determined (or crazy) attack. Yes, she probably should not have been out without security guards, but then again, this sort of thing doesn't happen all that often in Sweden.

I wonder: if it hadn't been her, would it have been some other woman?

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 04:52 PM

"It's been covered in the US" - yes, but clearly from this thread it can't have been covered with much prominence. And yet if it had happened to an American politician we'd have had it all over our front pages for days on end.

I think that kind of thing is one of the sources of antagonism towards the USA. It seems like a way of saying "you don't really matter", and of course it particularly applies to what goes on in the Third World (in which context I doubt if Europe is that much better).

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Deckman
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 05:05 PM

I read the daily newspaper from Helsinki, Finland. Believe me that this certainly has caught attention in the Nordic countries. That it hasn't had much coverage here in America speaks to our preoccupation with ourselves ... not an admirable quality. Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 05:13 PM

I dunno about other places, but it was front page news (above the fold, too) here. I even heard people talking about it in the supermarket.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Peg
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 05:15 PM

The one headline I saw online about it so far referred to the Euro issue equally with the murder; whereas I should think the murder alone worthy of international newsworthiness.   The spin on the story seemed much more concerned with how Swedish   citizens were going to vote on the euro, than any response to the murder.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 05:17 PM

"of course it particularly applies to what goes on in the Third World (in which context I doubt if Europe is that much better). "

That's a bit ambiguous of me - what I meant is that coverage of what happens in Third World countries by papers in England (and I suspect other European papers) is also pretty superficial and fleeting.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: greg stephens
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 05:27 PM

Well, I certainly think Sorefingers is on to something here. The suspicion that the murderer might conceivably have been wearing a baseball cap convinces me. Obvious American government involvement.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: artbrooks
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 05:46 PM

Besides GUEST,sorefingers, who says it hasn't received much media attention? Its all over the newspaper here in Albuquerque and there was coverage on CNN and NPR. I don't watch network TV, so I can't vouch for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 06:23 PM

Nope not a word on Yahoo, and Google has one entry.

I notice the message to the 'yes' camp was pretty clear, vote for this and we will stab you!

Seems as if the bullies won and Sweden lost... again. Lets hope they catch the varmit this time!

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 06:50 PM

Ah, yet another conspiracy theory, in the other direction, and dafter than most.

In fact it seems pretty obvious that the effect of the assassination was to increase the vote for the side favoured by Anna Lindh, as you'd expect. The majority against the euro was significantly less than the opinion polls had been predicting before the killing.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 06:50 PM

Mind, I get fed up with people throwing the term "conspiracy theory" round as if conspiracies didn't happen. They happen all the time. Very little happens without a bunch of people getting together and deciding to make it happen, and that's what a conspiracy consists of. It's just that there are some real lulus about.

I've already mentioned on the Mudcat my ultimate conspiracy theory, which is that there is a bunch of real conspirators out there, who intentionally propagate false conspiracy theories as a way of concealing the real conspiracies.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 07:28 PM

I have on a T-shirt that says "2001 Bonneville SpeedweeK". Does that mean that if I stab someone, General Motors is behind it?

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 07:45 PM

No it doesn't pdq, but finding that garb in Stockholm is not an easy thing to do!

Why wear US army pants?

Yeah I know the dude is a weirdo, but whose wierdo?

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 07:50 PM

Do we have any Swedes on the Mudcat to confirm that you can get stuff like that in Stockholm as easily as in any other capital in Western Europe? And that means pretty easily.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 07:57 PM

Odd. I used several search engines to look up "anna lindh murder" (without the quotation marks). Here's the results:

Ask Jeeves: one and half screens
Dogpile: 28 entries (in "News")
Google: 4,880
Metacrawler: 43
Lycos: 722
Altavista: 473
Yahoo: 2,780

I did not, of course, check each search result out, but I did look at the first screen or two of each and they did, indeed, deal with the murder in Sweden of Anna Lindh.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Noreen
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 08:15 PM

Google gives 336 hits using "anna lindh murder" with quotation marks i.e. 336 mentions of this exact phrase.

Sorry, sorefingers.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 08:32 PM

Noreen - does now. The early reports comming of a European news service first reported a stabbing, saying it was not serious.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Noreen
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 08:45 PM

That's how news services work, I suppose...

Because they didn't have more information, doesn't mean there was necessarily a conspiracy to withhold information.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 09:24 AM

Re: "a whacko complete with US Army pants"

What makes US Army pants identifiable? Aren't all fatigues pretty much the same?

and a Nike T-shirt hardly equates to offical U.S. involvement. Nike stuff is ubiquitous.

Do you have many homeless men (often drifters with serious personality problems) in your neighborhood? Cast-off T-shirts with advertising on them are standard wear for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 11:43 AM

McGrath - you're right to be worried about conspiracies. I've heard rumours that HAML (Harlow Anti-Marmite League) are preparing a hit-list right now . . . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 11:54 AM

Vive les Marmitons!

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: open mike
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 01:43 PM

here is a link to the swedish news reports...
swedish news service
and this one too:
another Swedish news source
I went to sweden this summer, and there were sevedral
unfortunate incidents there:
an elderly man drove his car full speed thru the
historical market area of Old Town, Gamle Stan,
a narrow, curvy street built long before
cars were invented. People were killed and injured.
An attacker murdered a person in the subway by using
a pipe to hit them. both of these events were blamed
on mental hospitals not having enough room to house
people who should be in them. Apparently at least one
facility was closed due to lack of funding.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: kitchen piper
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 02:59 PM

Hi!

They've closed all the mental hospitals over here the uk too. Care in the community, so that's a bit of a poor excuse really.

I didn't even need to do a search for the murder of Anna Lindh, the news is plastered all over the news everywhere!

I too went to Sweden this summer and the worst thing that happened to me was that I sprained my ankle whilst scuba diving. Maybe that's all part of the conspiracy too!

:-))
Vix

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: open mike
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 03:12 PM

dna found on cap
photo from store cameras released
san francisco chronicle blicky
I thought it might have been at NK
i was there this summer--a huge
dept. store...with many things
from Nordic countries.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: kitchen piper
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 03:48 PM

I disagree with Rapaires statement;

"Yes, she probably should not have been out without security guards,"

She has every right to go out without security guards. Where does it stop? Should our mp not go out without security?
I find the thought that she should have done quite amazing and strange!

The thing that should put most Brits to shame is that the turn out of voters was over 80%, compared to our measely 20-30% at most elections here. Infact, are we even going to get a referendum?

:-))
Vix
(BTW, I am a Swedish citizen)

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 04:06 PM

I suspect the stabbing may have upped the percentage of people voting, with people going out to vote as a kind of gesture of solidarity - but not switching their vote.

I can't see that as a practical way of increasing the turnout here though.

If there was an option "none of the above" and if 50% of the voters went for that, the election would have to be run again with different candidates - now that might bring a few people out to vote. It's not apathy that keeps the turnout low, it's disillusion...

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: kitchen piper
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 04:08 PM

true, true, you have an excellent point there!
:-))
Vix

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: bernil
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 06:25 PM

Hi Catters!

This is Berit in Sweden writing! I'm too lazy just now to look up words, so I don't understand everything you've said, but at least I want to say something about the murderer.

I see that one of you mentioned the things that happened in Stockholm earlier this year, when a bunch of people were killed of mentally ill persons who should have been locked in. It was a "human" thing you know – and probably still more an economical thing - to close the mental hospitals and let all those mentally sick people take care of themselves. That is, the communities were supposed to look after them, but something went wrong (for instance lack of money) and now a lot of crazy people are one the streets, homeless, using drugs and so on. Anna Lind's murderer is supposed to be one of them too. But why he killed her and nobody else, we don't know yet. Perhaps he was just mad and she happened to be there when he needed someone to kill? Or he may have been mad at her, perhaps due to her cooperation with the Swedish economic life, as for the EMU-election.

The last headlines in one of our papers is "The cap can convict the murderer". They've found DNA on it. But you already knew that so what more can I say?

As for buying "stuff like that in Stockholm as easily as in any other capital in Western Europé", (and what did "like that" mean? US Army pants?) Anyway, I'm sorry, I don't know if you can easily buy such things, but I suppose you can. I'll ask my boyfriend tomorrow what he thinks.

By the way, Kitchen Piper, next time you go to Sweden, please bring Smallpiper with you and send him to Östersund! He has to visit his old (3 years or so) mail- and ICQ-friend! ;-)

And now I'd better keep quiet as I don't have so much to say – but you asked for a Swedish person and I happened to be here….
;-)

Berit

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: kitchen piper
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 07:52 PM

Tack så mycket!
Det var bra att höra från en svensk person!
Önska
Vix

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Deckman
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 09:27 PM

Am I the only one old enough to remember when your President reagon did the same thing ... closed the mental hospitals to save money and turned the mentally ill out on the streets? Let's hear for the money pinchers ... save money at any cost. Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Nerd
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 01:31 AM

Maybe it was one of the American Crazy Homeless people that Reagan turned out who killed Anna Lindh in solidarity with his Crazy Homeless Swedish brethren who wanted to avoid adopting the euro...! hmmm, the plot thins....

My question is: if the United States government were going to send in a covert assassin to take out a single politician in an allied country-- not run a coup but simply kill one person--do you think that the assassin would be wearing US Army pants? It strikes me as the least likely attire for such an assassin.

But then, as Sorefingers will happily point out, I know f*ck all about covert military operations.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Ringer
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 04:38 AM

Well, if nobody else is going to comment on the referendum result, I certainly am:

What great sense the Swedish people have displayed.

So far, the people of two countries have been offered the opportunity to make their views on joining the EMU known. Both have rejected joining. No wonder Mr Blair won't give us UK citizens a referendum on the proposed European Constitution. He won't hold a referendum he can't win.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: open mike
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 04:51 AM

it is good that the Swedes will keep thier money.
Kronor are steeped with national history.
The bills are colorful and feature swedish
images. The 50 Kronor note has a nyckelharpa
on it!! even the name fo the coin has significance
the Crown...got to be connected with Swedish royalty.
and one features Selma Lagerloff on one side
and nels riding the goose across the country
side on the other.....this book is used in shcools.
and the colors!! blue! purple!! green! gold!
so much more interesting than the green mono-tone
dead presidents here in the U.S. one native
american medicine man calls thenm frog skins!

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: open mike
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 04:53 AM

If the Euro had won the vote, Sweden sould be using
money that woud be printed in germany, and the
existing money printing facilities would have
taken in foreign jobs such as countries in
Africa who want their money printed there..

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 08:09 AM

They have arrested the man who was shown on the video. He has a history of convictions for stabbing they say.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: bernil
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 09:43 AM

Thank you, Ringer for "What great sense the Swedish people have displayed."

At least that's my opinion too! Here in my part of Sweden it's 70-80 % who have said NO and I'm one of them. :-)
But it's not that I want to keep our money, it's much more than that but I'm not good enough at english to explain!

Berit

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 12:45 PM

The bizarre thing is that the same sort of reasons a lot of Swedes seem to have had for voting no would have been the opposite of the reasons a lot of the leading opponents of the euro would give.

The Swedes, as I understand it, were voting to protect their welfare system, and the high taxes which they pay to maintain it, and I'd have voted that way, I imagine. But over here the worry of a lot of the nay-sayers is that being in the euro would mean we'd end up paying higher taxes in order to have a better set of services, and more workers rights and so forth.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: bernil
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 02:05 PM

Yes I've voted to try to protect what's left of our welfare system, but I also say no because I'm not very fond of the elitism in EU/EMU. I don't at all think EMU (or EU) is meant to satisfy common people. So I think it's strange what you say. Where is "over here" if I may ask? I had no idea that anyone had those opinions!   

As for Anna Lind's supposed murderer: It's easy to buy US Army pants everywhere in Sweden, sais my boyfriend!

/Berit

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 02:18 PM

Sorry "over here" means England - though "Harlow" gives that away. There are a few places called "Harlow" in the US, but this is the only one in Europe, I'm pretty sure.

And opposition to Europe because it's seen as too far to the left is pretty rife here - which is pretty bizarre, when you think of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: bernil
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 05:15 PM

Very interesting! How can we have so different thoughts about it?

Now they've caught the man they have been looking for, so the question this started with, may be answered soon... I've read that he's a known criminal and Nazi.

Berit

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 07:49 PM

Dear Berit, I am not taking sides but the reasons for and against the Euro in any campain so far seem to me to be local lies for one party or another and their adjenda.

Encouraging commerce, tourism and the rest is the main reason why it makes sense, so enriching one region of the globe. Here in the USA though we would like to use Mexico or Canada for a lot of things, we simply don't because exchange and cusoms hassle. I think the same applies to Europe where I now see travelers electing to pass from France and Spain etc directly to Ireland because all three are in the same currency region.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: LadyJean
Date: 17 Sep 03 - 01:50 AM

Four years ago, in Pittsburgh, two men with a history of mental problems found guns and went on shooting sprees within weeks of each other. Ronald Taylor, who had his uncle's hunting rifle, went on a rampage in Wilkinsburg, killing whites, including a friend of Hollowfox's. Richard Baumhammer, who was white, made the rounds of the better suburbs killing an assortment of ethnic minorities. I think the moral of this story is, if your relative has mental problems, and you think he may be dangerous, be sure he's unarmed.

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 04:39 AM

A follow-up:

The second suspect arrested on September 24, 2003, has now admitted the murder and will soon be on trial: Mijailo Mijailovic.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:48 AM

Great site Andy, it's now been added to my favourites. On the Anna Lindh front though, it is such a hostage to fortune to have such open government, and liberal asylum laws. I remember many Vietnam refuseniks living there years ago, and who's to say the rights or wrongs of that, but if I was looking for a country to hide in, I'd surely pick one like Sweden.
John

Subject: RE: BS: Anna Lindh murder Sweden, who did it?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 08:40 AM

Which link are you referring to, John? (Couldn't see an Andy in the thread.)

Mijailo Mijailovic is now admitting the crime, and the trial (starting this week) is likely to turn on whether it was impulse or premeditated. One hell of a tragedy anyway. Here's a current BBC report.