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Subject: Glycemic Index Grocery List From: wysiwyg Date: 13 Feb 04 - 11:50 AM Counting carbs? Here's what I made up to carry in my wallet for grocery shopping. I'm giving a copy tpo Hardiman, too, so he can see what makes sense for me when he stops off at the store, plans a diunner or lunch out, or serves me up a plate when he cooks at home. My theory is that if the grocery $$ are finite-- as we all know they are-- then if you fill up your cart with the low-index foods, you'll also limit calories overall. The following fits on an 8-1/2 x 11 sheet, landscape, in 4 columns of 11-point Garamond Condensed. The numbers are the glycemic index figures. PM me an email addy if you want it as a Word attachment. ~S~ =================================================================== * eat sparingly-- low in carb index but high in empty calories or fat. V E G E T A B L E S FREE VEGETABLES: Alfalfa seeds, sprouted 1.28 Asparagus, cooked 2.63 Bamboo shoots, cooked 0.92 Beans, green, cooked 4.69 Broccoli, cooked 2.16 Cabbage, cooked 2.16 Cauliflower, cooked 1.41 Celery , celery root, 1.95 or < Cucumber 1.8 Endive 0.25 Fennel, bulb 4.19 Greens, cooked Hearts of palm, canned 2.22 Jicama 3.92 Lettuce 1.32 Mushrooms 2.94-3.57 (except shitake) Okra, cooked 4.71 Parsley 3.03 Peppers, hot 3.00 Peppers, sweet red/green 4.63 Radicchio 3.58 Radishes 1.99 Scallions (green onions) 4.74 Snow peas <15 Spinach, cooked 1.35 Squash, summer, cooked 2.91 Squash, zucchini, cooked 2.53 Tomatoes, tomato juice 3.54 LOW-GLYCEMIC VEGETABLES: Peas, dried 22 Carrots, cooked 39 Canned lentil soup 44 Canned beans 45 Canned baked beans 48 Green peas 48 INT'MED-GLYC INDEX VEGETABLES: Sweet corn 55 Beets 64 F R U I T FREE FRUIT: Raspberries 4.77 Strawberries 4.72 LOW-GLYCEMIC FRUIT: Cherries 22 Plum 24 Grapefruit 25 Peach 28 Canned peaches, natural juice 30 Dried apricots 31 Apple 36 Pear 36 Apple juice 41 Grapes 43 Orange 43 Pineapple juice 46 Grapefruit juice 48 Kiwifruit 52 Orange juice, not from concentrate 52 Banana 53 INTERMED GLYCEMIC INDEX FRUIT: Canned fruit cocktail 55 Orange juice from frozen concentrate 57 Canned peaches, heavy syrup 58 Canned apricots, light syrup 64 Raisins 64 Pineapple 66 E G G S & D A I R Y FREE EGGS AND DAIRY: Buttermilk, lowfat 4.79Cheese, cheddar 1.28 Cheese, Edam 1.43 Cheese, Gouda 2.22 Cheese, Swiss 3.38 Neufchatel, 2.66 Cottage cheese, 2% milkfat 3.63 Eggs 1.22 Half and Half 4.30 Goat milk 4.45 Milk, 2% milkfat 1.66Ricotta cheese, whole milk 3.04 LOW-GLYCEMIC EGGS AND DAIRY: Low-fat yogurt, artificially sweetened <15 Soy milk 30 Fat-free milk 32 Low-fat yogurt, sugar sweetened 33 Custard 43 *Low-fat ice cream 50 *Ice cream 61 S O U P S Tomato soup 38 Canned black bean soup 64 Canned green pea soup 66 S T A R CH LOW-GLYCEMIC INDEX STARCH: LESS THAN 55 Turnips, cooked 2.9 Pumpkin, cooked 3.80 Pearled barley 25 Fettuccine 32 Spaghetti 41 All-Bran 42 Macaroni 45 Banana bread 47 Long-grain rice 47 Parboiled rice 47 Bulgur 48 Oat bran bread 48 Old-fashioned oatmea l49 Cheese tortellini 50 Special K 54 Sweet potato 54 INTERMED-GLYCEMIC INDEX STARCH: 55 TO 70 Brown Rice 55 Linguine 55 Oatmeal cookies 55 Popcorn 55 Muesli 56 White rice 56 Pita bread 57 Mini shredded wheats 58 Bran Chex 58 Blueberry muffin 59 Bran muffin 60 Hamburger bun 61 Macaroni and cheese 64 Couscous 65 Quick-cooking oatmeal 65 Instant oatmeal 66 Grape-Nuts 67 Stoned Wheat Thins 67 American rye bread 68 Taco shells 68 |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 12 Feb 04 - 05:39 AM Or snack on nuts or fruit.... not the leftover prawn crackers that my conscience says are too good to throw away and mustn't be wasted.... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Feb 04 - 08:38 PM One suggestion, which someone may have made. Any time you get peckish, log on to the Mudcat and take your mind off it. So long as there's no kind of food in the room with the computer, that can really work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 11 Feb 04 - 07:49 PM Glad you said that Stilly - I was blaming my gained pounds on the sugared almonds I was scoffing whilst resting after my op! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Feb 04 - 09:41 AM Good luck with the surgery and recuperation, Khatt! There is a period of immobility that you'll have to get through before you can be as active as before, so don't beat up on yourself if you gain a few pounds before you lose what you want. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Catherine Jayne Date: 11 Feb 04 - 09:21 AM Cheers Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Feb 04 - 09:15 AM I'm waiting for blood work results on insulin issues, and have just finished a study of a book called Good Carbs/Bad Carbs, as well as a web survey of same. (I have several useful articles on Glycemic Index I can share via email if anyone would like what I found online.) I've also added quite a lot of dairy, and my menu has shifted to align with the low-index carbs and more protein, especially beans and fish. I'm feeling quite energetic on this regimen and getting more activity in as a result. Khatt, I know quite a bit about aquatic rehab, if you want to PM. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Cluin Date: 11 Feb 04 - 09:02 AM For the girls: Sperm is fattening. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Charley Noble Date: 11 Feb 04 - 08:57 AM My wife and I are in the initial phase of the South Shore Diet. Kind of miss the evening white wine, the citrus juice and bagel/cereal in the morning, the pasta/potatoes in the evening. We'll see how it fares in a week or so. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Tinker Date: 11 Feb 04 - 06:23 AM I can honestly say my weight is stubbornily the same, but I have dropped a jean size. This would be even more exciting if a trip to the back of my closet didn't reveal that the sizing in women's clothing has expanded as babyboomers did over the last fifteen years. My "old" size eights are probably size four's now. Oh well, think motivation.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Catherine Jayne Date: 11 Feb 04 - 06:17 AM Well...I've come off the Herbal Life diet....I thought I was starving!!...anyway its not for me, with my painkillers and anitinflamatry tablets I need to eat 3 meals a day so I am now back on the low fat low carb diet...which I have more energy on and feel healthier! When my legs are jfixed next month and the stitches are taken out I will be swimming and doing aqua aerobics and going to the gym and terrorising the neighbourhood!!! Khatt |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: SINSULL Date: 10 Feb 04 - 10:47 PM It's mid-February. All our New Years resolutions have gone by the wayside. So how is everyone doing? I will be in the Weighty Issues room Wednesday at 6PM EST. Any takers? SINS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: freda underhill Date: 30 Jan 04 - 09:36 AM .. you know, these last few posts are making me hungry... so its off for some crackers with baked ricotta cheese, a slice of tomato, a pinch of celery salt and some basil.... yum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 30 Jan 04 - 07:30 AM prunes - yummy, what's wrong with prunes? I have some in the fridge & might add some to my usual late-night snack of a fresh date & a few spoonsfull of yoghurt. Bugger it - the fridge is empty of yoghurt, so I'll have a few grapes instead. Fresh dates are another yummy fruit & are very sweet for those who like sweet stuff. They also cost a king's ransom so I buy 7 each week & usually have one per day tho sometimes I forget! sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 29 Jan 04 - 11:38 PM Mmm, junk food. Some rotten person has placed three packages of Hawaiian cookies on the lunch table. Two are a kind of chocolate macadamia nut cookie and the other is a box of special shortbreads. I am doing well so far. Lunch was beef and brocoli with one scoop of rice and fine dene. I also have some unsweetened apple sauce and some nuts to munch on. As my pneumonia clears up I can feel my appetite returning and cravings are beginning. The fight is now moving into a higher level. But tomorrow I am going snorkeling and then up to work on the canoe. That should help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: SINSULL Date: 29 Jan 04 - 06:44 PM Try replacing your morning toast with oatmeal, Brett. I happen to love it with just a touch of salt. It comes in instant single serving packs for the microwave. Slow burning carbs last well into late morning. You have made a lot of changes. Are you keeping a list? Have it handy for that day when you do have a chocolate sundae and are then tempted to go into the all or nothing mode. That's when you make one slip and then convince yourself that you are hopeless...and dive headfirst down the junk food aisle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 29 Jan 04 - 03:46 PM For me it was the starving children in Korea. And I would never dare use the return children use today (So send this to them, bet they wouldn't eat it either!). If I'd said that my next words would have been spoken alone in my bedroom through a haze of pain. I went to the grocery store last night and I was hungry when I did, I went straight from work. It was difficult to walk past the fun food and only buy that which is good for me. I did wind up buying one treat. I bought some prunes. People may laugh at prunes but I like them. Still working. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 29 Jan 04 - 07:04 AM every small step is a victory! Congratulations, my upbringing means throwing away or leaving food is not easy (did you ever get told to think of the starving children in wherever?)& food is a great comfort in times of sadness, happiness, loneliness, good company, boredom, busyness, hot weather, cold weather, at any time! keep up the good work & look after yourself. sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 28 Jan 04 - 03:24 PM Jeri, I know what you mean. I am trying to keep the Bad Stuff out of the house. I am still trying to identify what I can keep in the house that is not Bad Stuff. Our fruit choices aren't as good here as you have back in the States but I do try to keep some oranges in the house. Doing things other than eating is difficult but I am working on that also. As for what I am eating, I have cut out most of the carbs I was eating before. No more cereal, no more sugar, limited use of bread, no caffeine, etc. It works. My cravings are dying hard and I have to keep a tight rein on my urge to reach out and grab when something BAD is available. Yesterday for lunch I got fried chicken from the little cafeteria. They always serve it with two scoops of rice. I started my meal by dumping one of those scoops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: mg Date: 28 Jan 04 - 11:43 AM Brett...if you have average or high needs for protein (for someone of North Eur. stock) you are still eating a high percentage of carbs..perhaps too much for your metabolism. Please read about metabolic body typing...read Dr. Schwarzbein and Dr. Bernstein on the web...toast and fruit in the morning is total carb. If you are not registering as diabetic already, you are still probably in the process...saving a few teaspoons of sugar per day while still eating a lot of rice and bread is not going to make all that much difference..(but it is still very commendable) .bread metabolizes into sugar pretty darn fast...at least have some protein with it, and each time you have fruit have some protein with it....I don't know what you need exactly...but I'd bet the store that you do not have the type of metabolism that does well on a diet of high refined and/or simple carbs.. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: wysiwyg Date: 28 Jan 04 - 09:27 AM Yes, I meant swim, but if you can't do that at that hour, what CAN you do that is more fun than hurting yourself? ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Jeri Date: 28 Jan 04 - 08:44 AM Brett, if I have Bad Stuff in the house, then during those empty moments, I eat it. If I don't have bad food, I don't. If I eat before I shop, I don't buy it. Don't have it around - it's only convenience food it it's there. Fruit makes a great snack. Nuts are pretty high calorie, but healthy, and I find I can eat a handful of them and they're as satisfying as a half bag of potato chips. If they're in shells, you won't eat as many. Un-buttered popcorn's a good filler, but doesn't have any nutritional value. Plan the snacks though. It's the behavior, not necessarily the food itself that's the problem. If you lose the weight you want to, then go off the diet and you still munch when you're bored, guess what's gonna happen. It sounds like eating's what you do when there's nothing else happening. I do that too. The key is to substitute something OTHER THAN EATING that you can do on semi-autopilot - something you can concentrate on when you want, or do while you're watching TV or daydreaming. I grab an instrument or I do bead work. At other times in my life, I drew or painted. You might want to whittle (a tiny version of your canoe?), knit, make a scrapbook...etc. When you try to eliminate a 'fall-back' behavior, you really need to replace it with something else you can feel compelled to go back to, or those empty moments will drive you back to the 'same old used to be'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 28 Jan 04 - 07:53 AM Susan, I'm not sure what you mean by heading for water. If you mean swimming, those cravings come at night, before bedtime, when swimming is not available. My downfall comes in the lonely evenings when I am the only one in the house. There are a lot of those and I expect they will continue for the rest of my life. That is the battlefield on which I strive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Jan 04 - 10:30 AM That's great, musicmic and Brett! Brett, I only see one gap in what is an outstanding set of behaviors, that I want to encourage you to address right away. And that is, what is your PLAN for those times when the feelings get going and you want to reach for sugar or carbs? Can I make a suggestion? One thing in that plan could be heading for water to think about it and look at the feelings, while moving in the water. "Take it there and leave it there." Because you CAN take the behavior that is harmful to you and not only stop it (staying at zero instead of going into a mins zone)-- you can plug in a positive in it's place, going from minus 5 to plus 5 instead. For every behavior that you want to eliminate, you can substitute one that you like AND that takes you toward your goal instead of away from it. ~Susan ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 27 Jan 04 - 07:54 AM I found out today that the new, nasty & quite different pain in both legs was not Deep Vein Thrombosis (hooray!!) So now I have a short course of very strong anti-inflammatories. But as others have said, it's hard to exercise with permanently bloody sore legs & feet. (ps. the only exercise in my life is a small amount of walking). Years back when the computer did my hands in (well, it was me overusing it that did the damange which is permanent) I was sent to hydrotherapy for a while cos water exercise are non-weight bearing. One of my friends does water-based exercises & I might ask her what she does. There is a heated pool down the road, but I hate chlorine & don't have a swimsuit. I could probably find one (they do come in larger sizes than I wear!) Maybe. On the other hand, I am still eating less than I normally do & that is a good thing. sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 27 Jan 04 - 06:42 AM Went to the doctor today as a follow up on the pneumonia. I have officially lost 17 pounds since I bought the scales 2 weeks ago. Of course, it can't be all fat. But I haven't had any appetite through the worst of the flu and pneumoia. Only today have I had anything substatial to eat. On the way home from the doctor I had a taco salad at Carmen's! Yum! A scoop of rice and one of beans covered with veggies and salsa and a helping of grilled chicken on top. I ate half for lunch and the rest for supper. I am also off sugar completely, except for what gets snuck into the food. I have decided I will not be able to fit my life style around a planned diet like Atkins. I am too loose a cannon. However, looking into those diets has illuminated some of the problems with my previous food choices. Way too many carbs, to start with. Now, I avoid cereal, having some whole wheat toast and fruit for breakfast. I have Splenda sugar substitute for my decaf coffee. Otherwise I add sweetness to nothing. No between meal snacks but if necessary I will have an orange or a banana. And, of course a big hot fudge sundae... Just kidding about the sundae. Do any of you remember the 2000 Year Old Man routine with Mel Brooks and Rob Reiner? The set up was a series of interviews with Reiner as the straight man and Brooks as the 2000 year old man. At one point reiner asks him how he managed to live so long. Brooks replied that all he ever eats or drinks is clear mountain water, 10 degrees above room temperature. reiner presses him and he insists that's all, that and a stuffed cabbage. He loves it! Those were some great skits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: musicmick Date: 27 Jan 04 - 02:30 AM Well. I'm back. Since I last posted on this thread, I dropped another 15 pounds. That makes 50, all told. I still want to lose another 35 to 45 this year. I am still on the old Weight Watchers regimen although I don't go to their meetings or pay their fees. I have their book of "points" and I keep well under the reccomended number for my weight. I don't excersise enough and, at age 63, my metabolism aint what she used to be but I am under a doctor's eye for safety sake. I am a chronic overeater (It's made me what I am, today) so I still gorge myself but I do it with tons of salad or stir fry. I hope that my success will be encouraging to others in my age group. I should add that it was the threat of diabedes that shocked me into this diet. I was over the sugar limit and the doctor told me that it was lose weight or reach for the needle. I guess it took that gun to my head to do the trick. I keep that image in my mind to keep myself in line, even though I am no longer in danger. I wish you all luck and perserverence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Jan 04 - 12:05 PM Khatt, that's the reason I gained weight this summer/fall, I had surgery on my foot and had to spend a fair amount of time with it up. Though I haven't tried them, I know there are exercises meant for people who are restricted in their movements. If you can't walk can you try some of those office chair exercises with lots of twisting and lifting limbs? SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Kim C Date: 26 Jan 04 - 12:03 PM Stilly, they are now marketing soy yogurt. I reckon soy milk can be fermented too. I haven't tried the yogurt, but I like soy milk. For people who don't do dairy, or are watching cholesterol, I think soy milk can be a good alternative. And Chocolate Silk is a nice little treat! |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Catherine Jayne Date: 26 Jan 04 - 11:59 AM Well I need to loose about 3 stone. Since the problems with my knees has got worse I can't excercise and the weight seems to be piling on as I am less active. I don't come from an over weight family and I am the heaviest out of them all. I can't afford to go swimming so that is out of the question. I already eat a pretty healthy low fat diet with very few carbs. I have just started a diet plan called Herbal Life....its pretty much like slim fast but as I don't drink milk the shakes are made with fruit juice. There are also vitamin supplements etc with it. I have heard mixed reviews about this diet but I am giving it a go. It has been 3 days and I am starving!! I am eating fruit in between meals when I am peckish....which at the moment seems to be all the time!! The drinks and sweets trolley has just been round the office and I have resisited...I am very impressed with myself! I have drank copious amounts of water which has resulted in me dashing for the toilet every 30 minutes!!! I have scared myself into losing weight as I have to have a big operation on my legs and I am worried about the anaesthetic. I am going to try my best and stick at this for the good of my health! Keep up the good work guys I know how you are all feeling!! Khatt |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Jan 04 - 10:21 AM Well you're on the right track. I suspect we need to send Deckman Googling and see what he comes up with. I thought some of the hits I got before might turn up, but I've had no luck. I did, however, finally finish that blankety-blank chapter I've been writing, so I have a little more leisure time in which to conduct this sort of search. I would try using a collection of terms, milk, culture, yogurt, starter, and various spellings of villia. Those cultured dairy products are better for you than straight milk. I have made lots of yogurt over the years, and yogurt cheese. Except for the fact that I don't eat dairy now, I'd still be making it. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: freda underhill Date: 26 Jan 04 - 08:07 AM i tried googling Vallia - and came up with some references to a place in Finland or somewhere where they make fermented milk products.. fred |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 26 Jan 04 - 07:29 AM Brett - as you say, loosing weight in extreme illness is not a good thing. As you get better, you can get back to eating food that is good for you & looking after yourself. sandrA |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 25 Jan 04 - 02:58 PM I am feeling better. I will try to go to work today. By my best estimate I have lost almost 15 pounds on the pneumonia diet. I don't reccomend it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Kim C Date: 24 Jan 04 - 12:53 PM Well, all right. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: SINSULL Date: 24 Jan 04 - 11:04 AM KimC, I wish you would come visit. Recipes, suggestions, comments are all welcome. Bring your sense of humor. The group is able to laugh at themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Jan 04 - 12:11 AM yeah, I haven't had any luck this time either. I'll try some more searching and report back. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Kim C Date: 23 Jan 04 - 11:52 PM Mmmm, yummy. ;-) Say, I Googled villia and really didn't get anything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST,MMario Date: 23 Jan 04 - 01:32 PM it probably doesn't go "harmful" - but it will sure go "dis-tasteful" |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Kim C Date: 23 Jan 04 - 01:30 PM Okay, lookit, I'm 5'3", 120, and even I feel cramped in a freakin airplane seat. I would rather drive than fly any day, unless I have to go across the ocean, in which case I don't have much of a choice. Anyhow... I have never heard of villia. I will look into it. I do know, however, that some 19th century recipes call for soured or clabbered milk. I read somewhere that milk doesn't actually spoil, it just ferments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 04 - 12:54 PM What you find hard to believe is of no concern to me. Right then I'm off to the gym, with my rapidly shrinking pal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST,MMario Date: 23 Jan 04 - 12:43 PM I find it hard to believe that you had TWO flight companions who were so heavy as to prevent their dinner trays from clicking into place. I am not a small guy NOW - after having lost 10 inches from my waist - and at my HEAVIEST could still seat the meal tray properly. The thigh business though? Not totally due to weight - I know people who are UNDERWEIGHT who find airplane seats too narrow. I know I haven't been in an auditorium, a plane, or a movie thieatre in ages where my shoulders (and there isn't THAT much fat on my shoulders) do not overlap the seats on eaither side of me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 04 - 12:10 PM Bitching? Potshots? Beneath contempt? You are a very rude person. If people who choose to be overweight,have an affect on those around them, they are entitled to know? Like I said, this may be the spur they need to find help. They are obviously having trouble doing it for themselves, lack of self motivation etc. There are many reasons people finally get help, a friend has just lost 13stone...she was one of the heaviest women in the UK and at the age of 40yrs, she took the plunge and joined a Rosemary Conley programme, and has just won Regional Slimmer of the year and £2000 to boot.She was on TV at New Year, when Rosemary Conley was honoured in the New Years Honour List. Her motivation was that she was so ashamed of her size and it's impact on those around her, that she refused to get on buses in rush hours. Yes people do tut tut You on the otherhand are just plain stupid, and I haven't seen a diet that works for that, so I reckon you're stuck with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Jan 04 - 10:29 AM Kim, have you heard of or tried villia? There are several spellings, but it is a cultured milk product that has a mild flavor along the lines of sour cream. It works very nicely in cooking. We've discussed it at Mudcat before so a search should bring up some sources. I just did a quick good search and find a fellow doing research on its effects of tumors, it looks like. I hope he has good news! Villi is a scandinavian dairy product. I don't eat dairy any more, but I always liked this stuff. My father mail ordered starter from some folks down in California. I, too, will plan to occasionally join that discussion thread. My main diet approach, though, is physical labor to keep the weight off. (I'm a hard core gardener, now that I have a yard where I can do that sort of thing!) I am in the "normal" range, but it fluctuates, and for me the most urgent reason for discussing diet and keeping of the few extra pounds is in the hopes that eating healthier will counteract the signs of approaching arthritis. One reason for stopping dairy is to combat the arthritis (my Dad stopped playing the guitar when his hands were too stiff so he couldn't form the cords comfortably). It also makes a big difference in allergies. If I didn't have a sinus reaction when I ate any dairy I'd still be culturing the villi. Deckman sent this story a couple of years ago:
Before I forget, Brett, are you beginning to feel better? SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Kim C Date: 23 Jan 04 - 10:04 AM Sins, I am a skinny person who has to work hard to stay that way. Kin I still come to chats when I can remember they're on? ;-) In a brief moment of inspiration a couple of weeks ago, I decided to sign up for a correspondence course in holistic nutrition. Part of the course is listening to Dr. Andrew Weil's Guide to Optimum Health on cassette. This is pretty fascinating, and I highly recommend it. Brett, I have been eating Shredded Wheat and Bran. It's all grain, no sugar, high fiber. Sure, it tastes like wood chips, but the addition of a banana and some pecans does wonders. I usually have this for breakfast with a glass of kefir. Let's talk about kefir for a minute. This is something Mister turned me on to years ago. Basically it's liquefied yogurt. The kind I get is low fat and relatively low carb. I would recommend it over the prefab yogurt-smoothies-in-a-bottle things. Yes, the calories are higher, BUT I think the overall nutritional information is better. Plus it's cheaper to buy one big bottle of kefir than five little yogurt smoothies. It also makes a great snack on those occasions when I wake up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Jan 04 - 10:04 AM No, fathead, you're not "discussing" anything remotely related to health and weight issues. You're bitching and taking pot-shots in a place where you think you've found a vulnerable group of people to pick on. You're beneath contempt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 04 - 09:46 AM I was discussing health and weight issues. If people were more accountable for their calorific intake, if the result effects others,maybe that would be an incentive for them to take more care with their diet. Believe me the excess weight around their midriff was nothing compared with what was around their thighs. Their stomachs prevented their own trays clicking into place, this did not effect me. Does someone pointing out others inconsideration make them feel bad? Well good, so they should. Incidentally my name is CHIEF THREE FEATHERS OF THE GORGY TOTEM, but it didn't fit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Jan 04 - 09:37 AM "GUEST" is someone trolling on a thread where people are discussing health and weight issues. He hopes to make other people feel bad so he can feel better. I pity this sort of person, who thinks he has some sort of moral high ground from which to conduct such sniping. While he may have been seated between people with fat around the midriff, how is he accounting for the excess fat between his ears? |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 04 - 09:24 AM That "bit of drivel" actually came from someone who has just had to endure a trans atlantic flight, squashed between two huge people. They had bought one seat each, but their thighs invaded the space I had paid for, to the extent that my tray was unable to click into place, and yes they had an aroma of stale sweat. Makes perfect sense to me, less money means less do'nuts. If people's greed has an effect on those around them, then they are entitled to be criticized for it. In the same way that I criticize smokers for making me inhale their fug. This is not directed to the 1% of obesity which is caused by medical problems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Jan 04 - 10:10 PM That bit of drivvel of course coming from a passerby with no name and no consideration for the importance of what is being discussed. Brett, I'm glad you got yourself to the hospital. I'd been reading along how you weren't feeling good, went home shakey, and figured that the diet wasn't what was causing your problems. Now take very good care of yourself, because it takes a while to get over those symptoms of pneumonia. I've had a couple of coworkers come down with it over the last 18 months. They lost a lot of work time because of it. SRS |
