Is modern music shite?

Subject: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:12 AM

I got a lift to hull city centre last week of Jenny, she is 25, about 10 years younger than me, she was listening to BBC Radio 1 , I said to her, " waht is this shit you listeninging to, do you calll this music?"
she say yes, its realy nice, [i don;yt know who it was , some modern crap!
i think most modern music, ie chart stuff is crap, ie spice girls and similar shit, waht you think?, am i turning into an old fart, or is modern music going downhill?

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:16 AM

its all sound the same, they got no talent, and they cant play there instruments!
i know i sound just like my dad, but its true, just have a random listen to bbc radio 1, everything you herar will be shite,, mas produced, mass marketed garbage , that is not music, it is crap.
what you think.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:16 AM

Yes and yes and yes.
Never been the same since Muddy Waters went electric...

RtS
(grumpy old fart)

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:21 AM

hello, just to prove my poimt, i swithed my radio to bbc radio 1, guees waht i heard, =boom bom boom, bunch of shit!, i dont know why anybody listens to that shite, they must be stupid, it is not even nice music!,
heres a good laugh then, =even the dj dident know wjo it was, he stumbled, and i'm sure he had to lok for the cd cover to see who it was !, "that was errrr, so and so!, bunch of crap, i usually listen to radio 4 or radio 2, i dident listen to radio 1 for years, its all shit, thats why.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?heloo roger.
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:23 AM

hello roger.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Dr.Quelch
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:26 AM

jOhn from Hull,
                  You ask "What do you think?"
I think that for a start you should come back to school and learn how to express yourself in writing and learn how to spell.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: mooman
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:33 AM

I'm not sure about that as a generalization jOhn!

But you're certainly correct in one sense...much shite music is modern...

All the best,

moo

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:36 AM

dr quelch-this is music site, not, spelling site, i fed , absolutely fed up of people talking about my spelling, either talk about music , or just get lost, you think you bloody great , just becouse you know how to spel, just get lost.john

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:39 AM

ps, what did i spell wrong anyway?
your an arsehole, thats waht you are, and i bet you dont know nothing about music, you just try tpo cause trubble, piuss of, werre not intrested.john

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,weerover
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:40 AM

John,

Yes, you are turning into an old fart, and I agree with evrything you say

wr

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:43 AM

hello, i'm going shopping, if dr quech writes anymore just ignore him, hes tryoing to make trubble, and theres no need for it, we'll have no trubble here.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Skipjack K8
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 05:07 AM

jOhn, calm down. Your credentials here are unimpeachable, and we know what you mean. I have had to turn down the ordure that you so acutely observe, this very morning, as the brain-dead young people I work with demand Radio 1 as a condition of employment.

And don't use such rude language, or you will be chucked off and the elves will go on a deletefest again.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 05:20 AM

oh, sorry skipack, feel free to sawp swap shite for crap, or rubish, [how you spell ribbish, 1b or 2 bs?
anyway, i been shopsing, i se a christmas decoration, =a couple of bits of wood, and bit of tinsel=10 nloody quid, they must think im bllody stupif!

anyway= I been ask to join a band !,
by one christian bloke called Simun, he's one of them bible people, i think you spell it simon, not sure really,
hes a customer in the curry ship, i ask him details, ie how much he pay me etc, he say 2we give our services to the lord, and praise him threw music etc", maybe he's trying to rip me off, i know my music playinf is a bit shit, but if he want me to be in his band, he should give me a few quid, or get me a few cans in, waht you think?

its an evan jelical band , not really shure about that, i tell him i think about it.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 05:25 AM

waht happens to the collection money then?
they should give it to the band, and we get some cans in.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Skipjack K8
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 05:29 AM

I think it's a splendid idea, jOhn, and you should accept the position without honorarium. I look forward to you embracing the Church, but don't let them cure you of that healthy scepticism of yours. The Good Book needed Thomas to try an expose the Resurrection as a rip-off.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 05:34 AM

heloo skipack-some bible people like a drink, ie get a few cans in, have a good bear session etc, do you knoew which ones?
does evanjellycal people have a drink?

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: fogie
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 05:38 AM

I've tried in a limited way to see what the present radio 1 / TOTP generation like about run of the mill NOW-music, and for the life of me I cant appreciate the vast majority of it. I hear pale imitations of what was going on in the 60s and 70s and mind-numbing drum machine beats, which seem to totally preclude thinking. I presume the Raves I missed in the 90s may be to blame, and I dont like Rapping. The melodies are not very memorable, and it's years since I've heard anything I was interested in. Occasionally there's a gap in the clouds, like Maisy Gray's voice which is unusual, and the rare pop-song which is sufferable, but I think the Pop medium is burnt out, and am happy to stick to Folk Roots Fusion Jazz and Classical. As a matter of interest the same accusation might be levelled at Modern Jazz, and Modern Classical. I think I was priveleged to grow up in an era, of Childrens Favourites, and The Sixties. There is bound to be a new idea arising musically, but how long we will have to wait is an unknown. Roll on the day.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 05:40 AM

it its no drinking, i'm not going, i tell him 2stick your band, big rip off2,
but if he gives me a few pints i will go, i should tel him i got a whistle and tambourine as well, i reckon december will be there busy time, could be quite cushy, i;m not doing it for nowt though.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: ossonflags
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 06:01 AM

It all went wrong after Alma Cogan died.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 06:08 AM

i rember -brid widder is play music in a cherch band, so she knows about this kind of thing,
i might go to that bible blokes band, but if he try to rip me off, i will punch his face, i dont like to ripped off, nobody does anyway.
i will tell him a tenner, and a few cans, then i be happy.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Andrew
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 08:28 AM

Yes it is, but be thankful. If they dropped Pop Idol and replaced it with Folk Idol it wouln't take them long to turn Folk into shite too. I'd much rather a set of Northumbrian pipes, even if they squeek occasionally, than Northumbrian Ant and Dec who squeek all the time.


Andrew

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,JOSHUA BACH
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:13 AM

Modern Music??? Would the efforts of Sir Harrison Bertwhistle come under this heading?

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Ludwig Van Beethoven
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:16 AM

It certainly would Joshua, you young pup! Are you related to that awful Johann and Carl? All that widdly widdly harpsichord stuff. Yuk!

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:19 AM

Well you certainly got a good bite from Dr. Quelch jOhn, the whole thread has got me in pain with laughter.
eric

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:21 AM

Oh and by the way I agree, it is shite speshly that rap crap,
eric

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,JOSHUA BACH
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:24 AM

L.V.Beethoven,
             No, I am Joshua from the Bacharach line but there was insufficient space in the heading section!.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,50 Cent
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:28 AM

Eric, how could you! I have suffered for my art!

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: greg stephens
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:29 AM

JOhn I've got some evan jelly neighbours and they do like cans(and cigs) so you stick out for money and drink. They love tambourines I imagine, though ive never been to one of their rituals in case they baptise me or something.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: greg stephens
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:30 AM

you are totally right about modern music and its similarity to faecal matter, with the exception of the White Stripes and Coral who are OK. And our Kate likes the Darkness.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: C-flat
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:40 AM

I don't think we're meant to get it. Every generation wants their own music to express themselves through. They know that anyone over 25 knows nothing about how they feel or what makes them tick because we're all stupid. So why would they possibly want to find any pleasure in sharing the same sort of music as us old farts?
I've learned to go back and re-visit music I would have dismissed out of hand as a youngster and some of what I love now, I would have hated then. That's not just true of music either. Given time they will broaden their outlook and be more encompassing in their attitudes but it's true to say that we all hold a special place in our hearts for the first music we could call "ours".
I'm glad my time for teenage angst was in the late sixties and early seventies, I think there was some great music that came from that era but we also had our fair share of SH**** and my Dad just didn't get it! Tsk!

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Dr. Quelch
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:43 AM

jOhn from `Ull,
                Could do better.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Skipjack K8
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:57 AM

Seconded, B#, and very well observed. I shared the same angst era, and was mortified after dragging my father in front of the telly to observe Status Quo rocking. He asked me if I realised what they were doing. My answer was not correct, and he declared that they were 'masturbating'. I didn't think he knew about that.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 10:02 AM

as much as I hate to admit it, I think that most musical innovations come from pop music. Just look at what The Beatles did to expand the horizons of pop. For a more current example, the last time I heard something innovative it was off a Prince song.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Beverley Barton
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 10:09 AM

Prince? skipjack? Do I detect a tuna fish consiparcy here?

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Skipjack K8
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 10:13 AM

Cripes, we've been rumbled. We would've got away with it, too, if Oakley hadn't slipped on the whelks.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: C-flat
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 10:35 AM

How do you tuna fish anyway?

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Beverley Barton
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 10:39 AM

The tuning process for the Tuna is the same as that for the banjo, ie hurl it into the nearest skip and run away

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 10:48 AM

Hypothesis:

Suppose those weekly news stories where record companies are cracking down on downloading are complete sham.

Suppose the record companies via their own on-line systems are downloadnng their own stuff (quickly erased) for the phony publicity.

What would be the advantage?

Creat the illusion that the "music" is worth the effort and memory (both in cheap supply).

Maintain an illusion that keeps radio stations from changing formats to news/country, etc.

Each airplay, even of the most abhorrent material, generates revenue.

I know this scenario has seen ink, but the more we suppose, the more
we (taxpayers) can save. In USA, taxpayers underwrite the grammys.

Just a thought.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 11:45 AM

Interesting hypothesis - but there's a ton of money to be made from copyright infringement lawsuits. It's all about the money, and I believe they are going after people to recoup some of the billions of dollars in revenue they must be losing to copyright infringement.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 11:48 AM

Well, seems to me that if jOhn9 doesn't like it, that makes it 'shite, rubbish and crap'. Just my opinion, tho.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 12:06 PM

To respond to the original question,

No more than it has ever been.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: John Robinson (aka Cittern)
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 12:17 PM

At 43 I now find myself engineering/producing two ragtime guitarits and a punk band.

Keep a broad mind, that's what I reckon.

All the best
John Robinson
http://www.JulieEllison.co.uk

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: AggieD
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 12:35 PM

Don't fall into the trap of being a music Nazi.

Musical appreciation is personal - one person's crap is another person's tuna.

I find the off button is usually the best way to deal with anything I don't like.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 12:37 PM

although much modern music IS shite, so are many of the comments about it...(or maybe I just haven't had enough cans in)

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 02:45 PM

Many years ago I walked into my grandad's house. He was about 80 at the time (long stiff now)and deaf as a plumb-bob. He had some Oompah-oompah military music cranked on the radio. He was marching up and down the living room with a broom shank over his shoulder. (it's not so wierd, did you never look in the mirror and sing into your hair-brush? ;o)

Anyway, he was a bit embarrased but pointed out that 'his music' was a lot better than 'that shite yer Dad used to listen to" which tweaked my curiosity (ouch!) as I was suffering at the time from my old man's "turn that crap off!" rant concerning a certain Pink Floyd.

"What crap was that Grandad?" I ventured.

"Bloody loud, can't tell what they're singing, blah-blah-blah music" he said. Turns out he my old man was into Swing. That Glen Miller was a rad, hey?

p.s. jOhn ... run away from the crstiens, utumutly they want you're sole.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Joe_F
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 02:45 PM

I seem to have been born an old fart. I pretty much inherited my parents' tastes, and popular music, for me, stopped about 1940. Internally I divide what has been coming out of the loudspeakers in my lifetime into two broad periods: Gangster Sleaze and Mechanized Tantrums.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 03:22 PM

I have heard this stuff before. I think it was my mom who asked how I could listen to crap like "Hard Rain" by Dylan, or "Blowin' in the Wind." Of course, we'd just finished with an era of things like "Flyin' Purple People Eater" and eventually we got into "Kung Fu Fighting". I think every era has produced its share of crap. But musicians have the ability to find the stuff they like, and that is way far cool.

I work with teenagers. I am always surprised when little Johnny likes rap, then two days later comes in saying, "Hey, Mr Murdoch, you should hear this!" Kid hauls out "Summer of '69" by Bryan Adams. We were the same at that age: lookin' for what we liked. I have trust in the kids today. I read what's on the Mudcat, realize we are older now (some of us), and we were just like the kids we see around us thirty, forty, fifty years ago. We turned out OK. I think they will, too.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Firecat
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 03:34 PM

Erm, I'm gonna have to stick up for modern music, IE 80's, 90s and 00s. As far as I'm concerned, I love it! And the only time I listen Radio 1 is to listen to the Top 40, but 9 times out of 10 I go to a different chart. I love Busted, Blue, Westlife, Rachel Stevens and *ducks* Eminem.

Dido's really good too.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Helen
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:08 PM

For 20-30 years now I have been listening to Triple_J (a pop/rock alternative radio station, government owned, trying to provide antidotes to the run-of-the-mill top-40 stuff, although they also have a lot to do with the ABC-TV station's Rage programme which runs from midnight to early morning on Fridays & Saturdays and the Saturday morning show runs on until about 11am with top-40 stuff).


I have been wondering myself, over the last few months, whether I am finally getting old in my taste in music. Let me tell you first that my absolute favourite album is called Leftism by a techno-percussion group called Leftfield. They are brilliant, and the more I listen to it the more complexities I hear in it. The whole thing is based on African polyrhythms. My other absolute favourite album set is the Complete Sacred Choral Music of Vivaldi. Apart from those two I have every type of music in my collection.


But, in the last few months the melodies have almost totally disappeared. There is this talking/rapping rambling - which I cannot understand- I don't know if it is related to my dyslexia, or just that I am more visual than aural. I have said this before in Mudcat that I have a theory that some people like their music mostly based on the music/melody/harmony/arrangements etc (like me) and some people like it mostly based on the lyrics (like my hubby) which for me explains why he really likes Bob Dylan & Leonard Cohen & why I can't stand either of them - well the majority of their stuff - unless someone else sings it/plays it because, for instance, I can't stand LC's 3-note melodies or his singing voice. I'll admit he has improved to some degree in that department over the years.

So, enough of the preamble, I have found lately that where I used to listen to Triple-J rather a lot, now I have to turn it off. Hubby plays it more or less non-stop in the house, and has it as the station of choice on his clock radio alarm, so lying there trying to catch my last half hour of dozing/meditating prior to the mad rush of the day, I find it totally impossible even to think while it is on.

The worst, the absolute worst, is when someone decides that they can "improve" on a fantastically good song with sampling of the original, like the O Brother Where Art Thou song (is it Man of Constant Sorrow?) or Joe Cocker's Marjorine by totally riding roughshod over the melody and arrangement using thumping, non-musical beats. It starts out sounding okay and goes downhill from there.

That is why I now listen to the Classic-FM station because at least there is real music and some complexity to it.

Helen

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 06:07 PM

A modest proposal: Even if you don't agree with the word, isn't it a better alternative than "folk"?

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 06:11 PM

Isn't *what* word a better alternative than "folk"?

Modern? Shite?

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 07:08 PM

A thoughtful response, Helen, and I agree about the melody/lyric dichotomy, and I too fall on the side of melody. I like all music in which I recognise the structure, which precludes rap and free jazz. I think it is the sheer repetition that annoys the shite out of me. Recently, I was spellbound by Dido's going down with the ship business, because it is folk, and it struck the personal chord it was meant to, but having heard it repeated 16 times a day until it left Number 1, I have grown heartily sick of it. Now they're beating the next Dido single to death. So that's my beef, repetition ad nauseum.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,moonglow
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 07:20 PM

It depends entirely upon what kind of music it is (yes there are different kinds). And whether it's shite or not depends on your definition.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: jimmyt
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:31 PM

John I agree. 'cept that I think modern opera is grand, don't you?

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:51 PM

I think Grand Ole Opry is much better.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 12:33 AM

To Poppagator-

either one. As was pointed out to Alice, "A word means what I want it to mean. No morw and no less."

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 01:42 AM

No, modern music is not shite. Commercial radio is shite. There's lots of great music being made and recorded, but it's just not being played on the radio. And, ya know what? That's nothing new. It's been the status quo for years.

Just as an example, how many "hit" songs did Led Zeppelin have during their career? Two. Nowadays you can't listen to a "classic rock" station for thirty minutes without hearing a Zep song but that airplay didn't even start happening until after the band had broken up.   Those of us who listened to them in '69 knew they were good. Their albums sold like hotcakes. But the radio stations wouldn't play them. Why? Because they were too busy playing shite.

Yeah, the Beatles, Stones and a few other decent groups that were deemed acceptable to the radio station owners got plenty of airplay back then, but the more "underground" groups were shut out entirely. If you wanted to hear them you had to buy their albums. It's just the same today. The underground's where the good music's being made, but you've gotta pay for it. The stuff they're giving away for free on the radio is always gonna be shite.

Bruce

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Grab
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 09:33 AM

Ah, another thread from the trOll from the Hole... I'll second Dr Quelch on the spelling side too. Re-reading what you've typed before you hit the "submit" button really *isn't* that hard, and if you know you're bad at spelling then you've got no excuse.

Personal rule - the person who owns the car controls the music. If you're rude to them, you can walk!

Sure, there's crap music out there. Always has been. As someone aged 35, you will have been through the whole 80s music thing (I'm 30, so I remember it well too). There were great bands then like Dire Straits and Queen, but there was also plenty of crap too. Same as now. Even trad-wise, there's plenty of crap - "Weila Weila" for instance, which is a song with no discernable redeeming features as far as I'm concerned.

Rap "hasn't got a tune"? Well hell, how long did it take to work that one out?! At a folk festival in the summer, there were poetry and drumming workshops - not much tune there either. Hint: try listening to the words of rap, because the good ones have words that are worth listening to, and are every bit as poetic as lyrics from Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen.

Graham.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Snuffy
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 09:39 AM

"Weila Weila" for instance, which is a song with no discernable redeeming features as far as I'm concerned.

"Weila Weila" is a variant of "The Cruel Mother" which has survived in the tradition, so I think Professor Child might have disagreed with you

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Sweetfia
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 09:45 AM

OH MY GOD! Are you bein serious? 'Modern music' is not shite, it's just not what you used to listen to when ya was younger. If ya think it's shite it's cause ya gettin old! *grin*

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Cluin
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 10:36 AM

No.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Mooh
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 11:27 AM

Had the recent privilege of singing a modern choral setting for a psalm, accompanied by a dual chamber Casavant pipe organ. I thought it was brilliant.

Had a visit from a singer/songwriter who is just coming out with several songs which are written in the style of 60's folk meets Ani Defranco. Topical, and brilliant.

Have recently acquired cds from The Creeking Tree String Quartet, Das Macht Show, Phil Cooper, Radim Zenkle, among others. No shite there.

If you've got a problem with what you hear, tune in to something else. The trouble with today is it's so easy for anyone to produce and market music, and there's so much to hear that one must wade through some shite to find the gems. Shite obviously is in the ear of the beholder.

Popular radio appeals to the masses of less discerning listeners perhaps, but twas ever thus, don't take it personally. I happen to take pride in being of unpopular tastes.

I live in a radio wasteland where only the CBC can rise above the swill of shallow, lifeless, meaningless, musical pablum. Oh well, I also don't agree with mainstream politics, economic policy, or war.

Welcom to the fringe.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 12:42 PM

Some is, some isn't. Always been that way. I'm pushing 57 and some of what I hear nowadays certainly doesn't get my motor running, but my 23-year-old son (who, by the way, is a crackin' guitar player in the Mark Knopfler vein) thinks it's fantastic. However, I listen to, for example, Eminem and I'm staggered by his lyrics. I can remember me old dad telling me around 1964 or 5 that The Beatles were a heap of rubbish and 'No one will remember them five years from now'. How wrong was he! It was an age thang!

Mooh's right, shite's in the ear of the beholder. One man's meat etc.

Johnny :-)

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 01:23 PM

Most people judge music based on whether it pushes their happy buttons, not on whether it is actually well written, well performed, or well played. Like it or not, most of the stuff you hear on the radio is well written, well performed, and well played--most of it isn't very interesting though, but a lot of what people call folk is fairly dull as well--

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Benjamin
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 02:12 PM

There's many things about modern music that I don't like. For one, it seems to be more about the image than the music itself. However, hidden in the midst of pop culture (and sometimes disguised in it) are some decent stuff. For example, while Anggun's music is mostly programed pop music, she herself is a great singer with a very unique voice. I love the way she can phrase a line.
Anyways, music is unseparatable from culture, and a principle of culture is that it changes. Still, I believe it is VERY important to look at past cultures, including their music.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 02:16 PM

Does anyone remember Theodore Sturgeon, sf'/fantasy writer & player of the 12-string guitar?

He was holdiing forth on the virtues of science-fiction as serious literature and the person he was holdiing forth at said "Ted, 90% of science-fiction is crap."

Sturgeon said "90% of e v e r y t h i n g is crap."

This has become universally recognized as Sturgeon's Law.

So, yes, modern music is indeed 90% shite. Of course, we don't all agree on who's in that 90 percent.

Except for rap. I'd be glad to follow Grab's advice and listen to the words, but the rappers are too mush-mouthed for me to understand. If the words are important, why the hell not enunciate them? My ears are gone in the high frequencies, but I can understand Dylan & Cohen.

clint

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 03:00 PM

if the mullahs ever gain control, than maybe all modern music may be shiite but for now there is still some sunni music available,

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Schantieman
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 01:17 PM

I didn't like pop music even when I was a teenager. (I did pretend to for about six months, but soon saw the error of my ways). I can't, and never have been able to take:
(a) the extreme volume at which it always seems to be played
(b) the incessant and tedious drum beat
(c) the throbbing bass guitar
(d) the need to electrify everything (partly consequent upon (a) & (c))

There are exceptions - I was, from the age of six, a Beatles fan. I was brought downstairs from bed one evening to see them on TV singing "She Loves You" - not, I think one of their best, although certainly one of their most popular.

...And, I don't like the same treatment applied to traditional music either - so Fairport etc. not really my bag.

I once discussed this with the Head of Music at my first school (as a teacher, you understand). I said that I didn't like this stuff myself, but that didn't make it "bad music". "Ah!", he said, "but it is bad music."   Unfortunately I didn't fully understand the musical argument against it (being somewhat deficient in musical education) and have now forgotten it.
When asked why they like this music (and I had to restrain myself there from putting it in inverted commas), they always say, "because it's good." Not a terribly strong argument, I've always thought!
So - does anybody have a good, relatively simple argument that i an use to demonstrate why it is inherently bad?

Steve

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Schantieman
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 01:19 PM

...oh, and yes, jOhn: if you can't stand the music, get out of the car! I think I'd rather put up with it for a bit than walk miles in the rain carrying the shopping!

S

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 01:27 PM

"Is modern music shite?"

As a good friend of mine was once fond of saying, "95% of everything is cr@p!"

Modern, old... whatever... most of it sucks...

but why concentrate on the negative?

I'm mostly on Grabs side here...

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Grab
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 01:55 PM

Snuffy, "Tie me kangaroo down sport" is surviving in the tradition as well, but that doesn't make it a good song. Not everything that's worth remembered is kept, and not everything that should be forgotten is discarded... ;-)

Clint, again, the good ones do. Same goes for anything though - I heard three of the singers in the BBC Young Folk awards this week, and I could only hear the words from one of them.

Schantieman, it as far as volume goes, (IIRC from NewScientist) loud music stimulates the body to release chemicals which cause pleasure. My personal take on that is that humans are pretty sophisticated so we do need to buy into the music (ie. not just any music at high volume will do), but if we do then the higher volume gives more pleasure than a lower volume. That explains (a).

I'm not going to try and justify why bands have a rhythm section, but I'll just say that every dance band I've heard playing a ceilidh has someone "oompah"-ing in some way to give the rhythm (often an accordian), so a bass-beat is not a new invention.

Graham.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 02:53 PM

I came over here out of curiosity after the postings on the Radio 2 forum. The OP is proof that care in the community has failed.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 03:09 PM

"The OP is proof that care in the community has failed."

I have no idea what that sentance means Guest... care to claify a bit?

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Ritchie
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 08:40 AM

do you know that if you take the letters from "is modern music shite" jumble them up, add a few more and take away a couple ..you come up with the phrase "Is n't the Mudcat wonderful" now howay man yall must agree with that statement....all the very best ...Ritchie, keeping it real.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,John
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 09:09 AM

Year 1966 (when I was young)
Beatles - Shite
Rolling Stones - Shite
Elvis - Shite
Jerry Lee Lewis- Shite
Everbody else - Shite
That was the opininon of every adult.
("Turn down that f***ing noise")
I think modern music is TOTAL SHITE but I am
just another antiquated adult.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peace
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 02:12 PM

I don't necessarily know what's good, but I do know what I like.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Ghost of Noah Webster
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 02:22 PM

I am most interested if jOhn from Hull has seen one my dictionaries in his travels. Or does he perhaps prefer to type with his willy? Or perhaps "jOhn from Hull" is a code name for a secret project involving a multitude of monkeys pounding out abstruse messages on computer keyboards. If so, then pray let us know when you achieve "Hamlet".

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 03:18 PM

To a certain extent I would have said yes, until I heard my 15yr old daughter trying to play chords of stuff she's down loaded from the Net. Given a different medium some of it sounds quite good! Taken back to it's bare bones, we could turn it into something to which it is worth listening. If that's good English grammar, it sounds awfully posh! #8-)

Sal

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peace
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 04:18 PM

Ms Lemon: Posh was a Spice Girl. Ya likes what ya likes. Years back, I went to the Montreal Museum of Fine Art to see a Rembrant (sp?) display. I didn't like it. The guide was talking about old R in his 'Blue Period". I thought he was sad for a long time. Maybe it was to do with paint. Either way, it struck me then that I enjoyed the paintings I liked, and I could give two cents for the rest. I'm still like that. I love to look at much of van Gogh's work, but I don't care for all of it. I have never been the slightest bit interested in explaining why I do or don't like something. I'm still like that forty year later. I refuse to explain to vegetarians why I like steak OR potatoes for that matter. Taste is individual. I hear what you're saying, and I do agree. I won't ask you to explain why. Have a good day.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 06:13 PM

No.

Hull is shite.

Modern music is OK.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Noah Webster
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 06:26 PM

What the hell does "shite" mean? Is it supposed to be a pompous spelling of "shit?"

Where I come from a 4-letter word is supposed to have 4 letters.

BTW, every generation since the 1950's, if not before, has though the next generation's music was shit. And they were always right about a lot of it, and always wrong about some of it.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 06:37 PM

It's probably the Hull spelling, Noah. Good luck with your dictionary BTW.

:D

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Helen
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 09:05 PM

Guest, Not Webster,

If you were Webster then you would have looked up a dictionary and found that "shite" has a long history of usage in the British Isles. For a Mudcat discussion on this:

Pronunciation over there


So, back to the topic:

My previous comments about modern music were specifically about the huge shift I have noticed towards more and more rap, with little emphasis on music, melody, arrangements, and less musical-music being played on the Oz alternative station Triple-J. This station is always way ahead of the commercial stations in trying out new music and are often months or a year ahead of the other stations picking up albums and giving them good airplay. Their brief is to play alternatives to the Top Forty/commercially developed pop/pap.

So, what has been happening in the last year or so is there has been a creeping increase in the percentage of non-musical rap because the words are worthwhile or it is something different. But what it means for me because I find it very, very difficult to decipher lyrics at the best of times, and even more so when the enuniciation is unclear, I am finding less and less music that I like to listen to on that station. If I wanted to listen to poetry with a drum beat and a token gesture of "music" I would listen to it, but I want to listen to music.

Repetition of rhythm parts over and over, with no variation, and often out of sync with the rest of the arrangement (I suspect not deliberately, but due to a lack of musical knowledge and/or ability) start to really jar on my ears. It reminds me very much of the Muzak in the British tv series The Prisoner. He is stuck in a room with continual piped mindless music and every time he contrives to break the speakers the little repair-bot comes in and fixes them.

Living in the same house as someone who prefers to have the radio on constantly, on the stereo in the room which is at the exact centre of the house, means that I cannot get away from the music unless I shut the door and play my own music in my office. A very unsociable thing to do.

Up to a year or so ago I would still have been listening to this station fairly regularly, but lately the Rap music has driven me away from it.

It reminds me of the time (oops - old codger alert!) when disco took over the airwaves (before Triple-J started being beamed into our area) and the antidote was punk. So in rock/pop music there were only really two extremes to listen to. I chose punk, despite its relative unmusicality, because of the social messages and their attitudes.

I have always thought that Rap was a legitimate social commentary, but I can listen to some, like Michael Frante, and not to others, like Eminem who seems to be advocating violence, hate, anti-gay sentiments, putting women down, etc etc.

There is only one song I stop to listen to at this stage on Triple-J and it is a new single called Zebra by the Western Australian group called The John Butler Trio. Look out for them. In my opinion, they are worth listening to.

Last January, when Triple-J did their Hottest 100, voted on by the listeners, I only liked about 2 songs in the whole lot. (We were driving back from a holiday down south so we heard the whole broadcast from 9am to 6pm). In previous years, I sould have liked at least a third and really-liked a few.

Helen

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 09:27 PM

I believe William Blake (himself) used the word in a satiric verse; can't find the book, but it was something like

"If Blake could do this when he got up from a shite
Think what he could do if he sat down to write."

& there's a long -legged waterbird here in N. Idaho the old-timers called a Shitepoke.

The study of language is full of wonders.

clint

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 10:17 PM

I agree with bee buddy ell, ie quoite" commerxial radio is shit",
i think non commercial radio is shite as well, in the UK, ee got 1 hour a week, of folk music, on national [state] radio, 9thats the mike harding show, and he plays the same stuff every week, and people get fed up off it,
i emailed him and tolfd him, but he dident ansewr me, i wonder why!, [ i know why because its true, !
i if i had money, and knew how to do it, i would start my own radio station, and play good music, there is 2 national classic radio statiuons here, radio 3, classic fm etc,
and a jazz station, [jazz fm[, but no folk station,.
ps, its 3am here, and i had a few cans, so if guest moans that i spelled antyingh wrong, then he can just go and kiss my fat arse,
guest-either talk about the thing we talking about, or shut up.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 10:27 PM

Isn't there something a bit inconsistant with old farts using shite as a pejorative term.?

Since I was a young fart I've always worked on the assumption that the best music is the old music, especially when it's so old people think it's new. And it seems to me there are probably more young people who think like that, and make music like that, then there ever used to be.

Meanwhile the music industry runs round in circles frantically cranking out stuff I wouldn't dignify with the term jOhn uses.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Chip2447
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 12:58 AM

You say po tate o, I say poh tato. One persons trash is another's treasure. Yada yada yada...

    To the musical purists out there everything but their genre's of choice is shit. To the eclectic musical souls there is good music in all genre's. Its all a matter of individual tastes, personally, I cant stand about 98% of Bob Dylan. That's me. It's not shit by any definition of the word, he's a very talented singer songwriter. I just dont like the presentation.

    I'm a child of those late sixties and early seventies as well, and I gave my parents ROCK and ROLL headaches. Disco sucked, big band was hokey, country was for the old farts and classical was for cartoons. My how the things change with time. Don't pooh pooh one type of music because you dont like it or dont understand it. Embrace it all as MUSIC and not as pidgeonholed labels. Listen to what you like, don't be afraid to venture out of your mindset and experiment with "NEW" stuff.

    Yes, there is a lot of crap out there, but as others have said, the shit is consistant across the spectrum of musical genre's, but there are real gems out there as well. It's our duty to find them, pass them along (sounds like the folk process at work)and keep them alive.

Chip2447

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 01:22 AM

Yeah, there's another thing!
Fame Accademy, [granted some arsohle will tell me iv'e spellrd academy wrong, do i give a shit? ;-)
Fame Accademy eh!, wahts all that about then?, bunch of crap!,
teaching folk to be famous, biggest load of shit i've ever heard of!
h
"heres the deal, we sign you up, you sign a cover version from the sisties, get to number 1, in the uk charts [not sure how true this is, but i heard you can get a number 1 nowadays with only 50,000 sales!], get a number 1, make a million, we will keep most of it, and give you a few quid!"
excuse me if i sound cynical [sp], but the uk music industry is, and has been for at least the last 10 years, total and utter shite, and if anyone of you here, does not understand the word shite, i mean poo, crap, pants, garbage, rubbish, cack.
have a listen to radio 1, i'ts supposed to be the flagship radio station for the uk, all they play is shit!, most of the so called artists on there, can not even play an instrunent!
[yeah, i know i sound like my dad, but its true!, .
in the last couple of years, a couple of friends, [jenny, dave, shelima, rob, etc etc], have said, "your getting old and out of touch"!, but, i disagree, bbc radio 1, is going crap, i am only an amateur musician, but, i reckon, i could play better than most of them, it is mass produced garbage, ie, sampled from a digital midi machine!, well we could all do that!., where is the new talent?
[and don;t tell me it;s on POp Idel! because thats a load of shit as well,
My honestr opinion is, that most of the new music out nowadays is absolute crap, and the stuf that is not new music, is cover versio ns, is cover versions, ftron the sixties!
SO, where, is all the deceny, new music?

I was going to leave this thread alone, ["john is talking shit, getting old etc, trying to make trouble etc, winding us up for a joke etc"
but no, its crap, =
can ANY mudcatter here, name the uk top ten chart of the moment?
and then reccommend to us the best songs in the chart?
i doubt it, as its alll shit.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Helen
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 02:03 AM

John Butler Trio sample tracks

The 4th track - or is it the 3rd? - is a didgeridoo but I imagine that it moves into a more bluesy feel after that. Tantalisingly short samples.

Helen

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 02:10 AM

Is everybody on this thread drunk? I know for a fact I am.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 02:49 AM

guset-i told you already=either talk about the thinhg we talkking about, or shut up.john

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 02:56 AM

yes, i did say that, [i just checked!
at madcat tine, 10.17
2if you .....
you know waht i meen!
=guset=talk about what we talking about, or shut up,
anyway-you lucky, if this was my website, i find out who you are, then shoot you, that would shut you up!
you bloody lucky!,
don't ever come to hull, [thats a warning, [come if you like, but you wont last 5 minutes!, come if you like, but if we dont like you, you end up thrown in the river , or worse!
best you don't come here!

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 03:12 AM

guest=you been warned now, so watch it,
i am ex army boxer, mick is ex boxer in navy, bassic is know karate, el ted is know wrestling etc etc, just donyt mess with us, you been warned now, just watch it,=
if you still mess with us, you are stupid!
ps=you are stipid anyway, everybody knows that!
we cant even hit you! [hitting stupid people is called bad manners]
be careful though, maybe we forget you are stupid!

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 03:15 AM

Guest-dony mess with hull people, thats your last, and final warning.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 04:11 AM

jOhn, I think you are getting a wee bit mixed up. I think you'll find it's "don't mess with Bill" which was a song by perhaps the velvettes or the Marvelettes perhaps. I can't ever remember a song called "dont mess with Hull people" and I would also like to add that I have occasionally had 'some good shit' so there put that in your pipe and smoke it.

keep on keeping on Ritchie

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 04:22 AM

Sturgeon's Rule (Theodore Sturgeon - science fiction writer)

nine tenths of everything is crud

We can argue about the numbers but I think there will be few but the most provocative who would question the sentiment.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 11:25 AM

The amount of rubbish that comes out of cans these days..

   .... and what a lot of people go in for "piss-head" baiting.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 11:37 AM

John... do the world and Mudcat a favour... take a page from other catters here and come up with another user name for when yer posting as a piss-tank... That way, everyone can see right away that you're also "Blind Drunk" and give you the attention you deserve...

That is, none...

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Ghost of Noah Webster
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 01:31 PM

I don't know who that imposter above was, but it was not I who called into question the validity of the word "shite". It is, I have long known, a commonly used term, which is often used as an adjective, roughly equivalent to the North American "shitty": possessing many of the qualities of feces. For example, I would say that jOhn from Hull's use of grammar, spelling, punctuation, and indeed the use of the English language in general was the very definition of "shite"--the same for his opinions and attitudes. If he is insistent on advertising his ignorance and arrogance to the world on this new technological marvel you call the Internet (a lovely term), then he should expect--and indeed welcome--criticism and disagreement. That is just my spectral opinion, however.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Grab
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 06:56 AM

i emailed him and tolfd him, but he dident ansewr me, i wonder why!

Well I know for a fact that if I got an email that read like the drunken ramblings of a tramp sat in the gutter, I for damn sure wouldn't reply either. As far as telling the guest to stay on topic - "OI KETTLE, YOU'RE BLACK!!!!"

And as for the pathetic threats of violence, well that just rings of drunks shouting "ah'll aaave yee" when they can't put one foot in front of the other. If any of us do end up in Hull, I think we'll make damn sure and avoid your folk club - as an advert for it, you're a helluva good reason to stay away.

Graham.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: FJGI
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 07:45 AM

I think modern music is not shite. But commercial music could be shite.
Music industry is looking for MONEY (logic) and secure investment. Promotion = 99% of success; Frequently, talented musicians are not the most important.....
Francisco


http://usuarios.lycos.es/fjgiproductions

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Helen
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 04:20 PM

FJGI,

I think you are right, there. When money becomes the prime focus then the music becomes second best.

Warning to thread-creeps! Go and find your own thread. Enough is enough. Either discuss the topic and let us discuss it, or go somewhere else, please.

Helen

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peace
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 05:01 PM

Lotsa tough-guy talk here. I am impressed.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peter Woodruff
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 05:35 PM

Did someone ask? Is this post shite? I most imfatically agree! Music and poetry and science and metaphysical studies move on! "If you you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen."
                                        Some past American President.


Peter Woodruff

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Sweetfia
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 07:38 AM

I hate it when threads turn like this (i'm not talkin about people who have posted posts relating to the title of the thread).

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 10:36 AM

The posting posters posted posts,
Some with meekness, some with might;
And what remains amuses most:
The thread itself has turned to shite.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peg
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 10:54 AM

well, coming rather late to the thread, I must say, most of the "popular" music (Top 40) I hear on the radio does very little for me. Even interesting artists like Tori Amos and Liz Phair have allowed this smooth electronic pop soundalike stuff to permeate what were once very original-sounding songs. When we talk about "popular" music now we tend to mean those bands and their songs that pretty much all sound alike: similar use of meoldy and rhythm, similar singing styles (just now the over-ornamented psuedo-gospel of American Idol imitating Mariah Carey and Celine Dion is the popular thing; I am very very sick of good singers who are unable to get an original sound out of their throats...but being young maybe they will find their true voice at some point), and, perhaps more than anything, similar production values. I think it is production more than anything which typifies an era of recorded music, especialy since music started being so much more about electronics, starting in the 1970s. Think fo what a "different" sound the Beach Boys had. The songs were sometimes a bit silly (Surfer Girl) but no one could deny the production was absolutely brilliant.
I think there are some very talented songwriters and performers today working in a number of different popular genres, from folk to rock to disco, many of whom have shown some interesting growth over the years, like Dave Matthews, Paula Cole, Paul Weller, David Bowie, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, Neil Finn, Mike Scott, etc. I think some of the best bands of the last twenty years include some very experimental groups like Dead Can Dance, the Cocteau Twins, the Cure, Basque, Splashdown, Afro-Celt Sound System, and more "traditional" (in terms of rock/pop) ones like the Waterboys, Crowded House, the Jam, etc.
I think some of the most exciting contemporary music now is coming out of Scandinavia, where vibrant young groups are combining traditional and new sounds and instruments together to create a stunning body of work, like Garmarna, Hedningarna, Vartina, etc.

And I still think some of the contemporary/"traditional" bands out of Ireland and Scotland are terrific...

What the heck does "modern" mean anyway?

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 03:22 PM

There is vital new original music being made everywhere in the world, but most of the world (especially the industrial "first" world) only gets to hear a small and very mediocre slice of it.

In the early 1970's, I became disgusted with mass-media popular music, dismayed to witness the sudden end of an era when terrific and, yes, revolutionary music had begun to find its way to a wide public via album-length recordings and FM radio.

That's when I moved to New Orleans, which has always had its own local music scene, and just quit listening to the watered-down crap promoted and promulgated throughout the outside world. Here, new music and new approaches to playing are emerging all the time, most of it quite beautiful and exciting, but very little of it ever emerging into national or international consciousness.

I've had the pleasure of witnessing performances by some of the most talented and expressive musicians ever to walk the earth -- some of whom you've heard of (or *should* have heard of), others who will sadly never be known outside their families and neighborhoods.

So -- I know that there is contemporary music that is wonderful. But -- most of that stuff being sold to us via the public airwaves? Shite, indeed!

PS: If you've got a high-speed connection, a sound card and speakers, you can hear some of what I'm talking about, any hour of the day or night, 24/7, at:

www.wwoz.org

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Cluin
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 11:05 PM

Well, Sweetfia, John from Hull pretty much set the tone for this thread right from the beginning. It's not surprising how it's turned out.

I hold with the "95% of everything is crap" observation. Still I find myself sounding more and more like my father every year concerning what "the kids" are listening to these days. I've tried, really tried to keep an open mind but it just seems I'm becoming more and more jaded and ornery. I also seem to listen to less music of all kinds overall these days. I find I can go a whole day without turning on the stereo or TV and not miss it at all. Not like my younger days at all when I always had to have some background noise going on.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 08:17 AM

jOhn

Got any other cracking chat-up lines for a lonely heart?

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Dr.Quelch
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 08:26 AM

Here is a undeniable truth. Crap is shite.

Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Bobjack
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 08:28 AM

Having just read most of the above thread I now find myself exhausted! I am so glad that I am a Guinea Pig and not a human, we in piggy land have little or no access to computers, and long may it remain so.