BS: 9/11 coverup?

Subject: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 01:54 PM

does anyone else wonder why the bush administration has done its best to stonewall the commission studying this issue? wouldn't a truly patriotic american want to know that this event was fully investigated in a bipartisan fashion to find out why and how it occurred so that further such actions could be prevented? what possible motive could there be to obstruct the commissions work besides covering something up that the administration doesn't want seen especially before the election? and wouldn't playing politics with such a fundamentally important question show the players to be unpatriotic and possibly traitorous in their actions? just wondering. here's a link to a current story about the stonewalling from the washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64628-2004Jan30.html?nav=hptoc_p

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 01:56 PM

oops. i tried to make that link a blue clicky. maybe someone could help.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 02:08 PM

I suspect all that an investigation will find is that the Bush administration didn't follow up well on a few leads and hints the 'something' might be afoot. This is well worth knowing and I assume they'd rather NOT have this investigation in an election year, but I doubt that serious malfeasance would be found.

There are plenty issues to accuse the Bushites of without this...still...

(I blame lax airport security as much as anything for the attacks,(how did everyone GET box cutters on airplanes?)...but it is always possible to bypass security. I would imagine that now, almost ANY plane full of people would do what the brave few on that last plane did and stop any hijacking attempt done with knives)

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 02:08 PM

You mean you really didn't expect this to end up Roswelled all to hell and back too?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Peace
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 05:31 PM

The 9/11 issue that has me puzzled is the plane crash at the Pentagon. It doesn't seem to get talked about. Why? Does anyone know? After the attacks in New York, I e-mailed the CIA to suggest that whoever had planned the attacks may have read Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor." I knew that wouldn't be much help, but as with most people, I wanted to do something to help. The events of that time were chilling, and the loss of life was as real as it gets. Now it seems that the crashes themselves are no longer the issue. The issue seems to be something else, totally. What? If it's all some part of a bizarre New World Order scenario, at least that would be a place to start looking for the facts behind the obvious. Why the secrecy to do with the Pentagon crash? That, more than anything from 9/11, nags at me.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 05:41 PM

I'd imagine the reluctance to push ahead with a proper inquiry would be an instinctive disinclination to open a can of worms, when you aren't too sure what kind of worms are contained.

Now if this were the UK, and an inquiry could be handled by an esteemed judge, who knew what was required of him, and could be relied on to come up with the goods, it would be an entirely different matter.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 06:17 PM

It's a horrid way to treat family & friends of the victims. It bad enough that only a very few found any sort of remains. Like a criminal investigation into a murder, the reasons of why & how is not only important to the investigation but it is of equal importance to those that lost their loved ones. The deaths of nearly 3,000 people that the Bush administration labeled martyrs & heros now refuses to let their bodies be buried to the satisfaction of their families is by fighting & stalling they need to come clean with the whole story. I can't imagine any reason why the government would want to hide this information from the families & the general public. National Security, Pig's ass, that's become a catch all for anything that they'd like to deem hidden.


In the best case (still a vile act), the Bush adminstration used this tragedy to further there already in place agenda or somehow screwed up big time. The worst case would that they, for some unknown reason, somehow had a hand in it's happening or allowing this to happen. In which case he/they should stand before an international court as terrorists & for crimes against humanity.


This has the potential for being played out as the last of the great horrendous political games in US history. What will ever become of us? What have we done?

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 06:24 PM

ancient
history

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 06:31 PM

brucie...'secrecy' about the Pentagon crash? How so? It sure got talked about a lot here in the DC area. (some conspiracy nuts tried to claim it wasn't actually a plane because they couldn't 'see' it on sow security cameras, but it has always seemed to me that the WTC crashes were just bigger and more 'newsy'.)

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: SINSULL
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 06:36 PM

There is some press being given to official announcements in the days after the crashes to the effect that the air was safe to breathe. It wasn't and the number of respiratory illnesses turning up in NYC that seem related to exposure to 911 toxins is growing.


This will be another Roswell. Expect claims of nuclear fallout, government conspiracy, and worse.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 06:50 PM

I can't remember Sir Humphrey's exact line from Yes, Prime Minister, but it goes something like, "The purpose of the Official Secrets Act is not to protect secrets. It's to protect officials!"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Peace
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 09:00 PM

Bill D, you are probably correct. I don't tend to shout conspiracy at every thing governments do, it's just that some stuff seems to fall by the wayside. So, what was it that crashed into the Pentagon? Passenger plane? How many died? I've done some searching for this info, and it's likely my research skills that are lacking. I can't find anything substantial. I'd like to.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Jan 04 - 10:16 PM

a recording of a cell phone conversation with a flight attendant (Betty Ong) on Flight 11 just appeared on the news THIS WEEK. she mentions that someone in business class has been stabbed and that no one can get into the cockpit.
Nothing wrong with the recording; perfectly clear. Why was this not made public much sooner?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Peace
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 12:46 PM

Anyone know where I can find good info on the Pentagon crash?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Nemesis
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 01:16 PM

Brucie,

Any archive from a reliable major news source (Reuters etc) will give you more information and probably links too, like this one from the Guardian UK.

Thursday September 13, 2001

http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551425,00.html

Some 58 passengers and six crew were on board when American Airlines flight AA77, en route from Washington Dulles to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon.
This is a preliminary, partial list of passengers aboard the flight whose next of kin have been notified. Some families asked the airline not to include their loved ones' names: these do not appear.

Crew
Captain Charles Burlingame
First Officer David Charlebois
Michele Heidenberger
Jennifer Lewis
Kenneth Lewis
Renee May

Passengers
Paul Ambrose
Yemen Betru
MJ Booth
Bernard Brown
Suzanne Calley
William Caswell
Sarah Clark
Asia Cottom
James Debeuneure
Rodney Dickens
Eddie Dillard
Charles Droz
Barbara Edwards
Charles Falkenberg
Zoe Falkenberg
Dana Falkenberg
James Ferguson
Budd Flagg
Dee Flagg
Richard Gabriel
Ian Gray
Stanley Hall
Bryan Jack
Steve Jacoby
Ann Judge
Chandler Keller
Yvonne Kennedy
Norma Khan
Karen Kincaid
Norma Langsteuerle
Dong Lee
Dora Menchaca
Chris Newton
Barbara Olson
Ruben Ornedo
Lisa Raines
Todd Reuben
John Sammartino
Diane Simmons
George Simmons
Mari Rae Sopper
Robert Speisman
Leonard Taylor
Sandra Teague
Leslie Whittington
John Yamnicky
Vicki Yancey
Shuyin Yang
Yuguag Zheng

More lists of confirmed dead
13.09.2001: American Airlines flight 11
13.09.2001: United flight 175
13.09.2001: United flight 93

Special report
Terrorism in the US

Interactive guides
Find out how the terrorist attacks happened

Video and audio
America's day of terror - and the aftermath

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 01:50 PM

Are the names of the people believed to have been the hi-jackers on that list?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: open mike
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:34 PM

suspected hijackers

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: open mike
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:36 PM

suspected hijackers still alive

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: open mike
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:39 PM

tracking suspected hijackers

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: open mike
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 03:05 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/investigation_23.html

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Peace
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 03:40 PM

Thank you, Nemesis. I'm not a complete idiot to do with computers, but close. Also, thank you open mike and BillD.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 08:05 PM

For the person who was looking for information on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, the following website offers a fascinating theory that a plane didn't actually crash into the Pentagon. I have had to dismiss this website as "conspiracy theory," but then -- sometimes conspiracies actually do exist, and this site makes a fairly convincing case. Even if you don't buy the theory, this site is fascinating.

What hit the Pentagon?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Peace
Date: 02 Feb 04 - 08:45 PM

Thanks GUEST,pdc.

T'was I in search of the info, and I thank you kindly.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 06:14 AM

German Lawyer challenges '11 September 2001 Lie'!
                                                   
    After publicly commenting on German television about the 11 September 2001 alleged terrorist attacks, a German public prosecutor in Hamburg charged Horst Mahler with 'Billigung einer Staftat' - condoning a criminal act.

          Mahler has now revised his views, especially on the Pentagon crash conspiracy theory, and now he will attempt to set out the French argument that no plane crashed into the Pentagon, nor into the WTC.
He will thus present an alternative conspiracy theory to the official conspiracy theory and claim that it was not Saudi Arabian terrorists but Israel's Mossad and US spy agencies who were responsible for the 11 September tragedy. (from a Neonazi site)

Former left-wing terrorist Horst Mahler is now one of the leading heads of the German extreme right.

Watch your company.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: GUEST,Holmes
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 08:16 AM

Here's an article from the American Free Press.

Did Ariel Sharon help orchestrate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to instigate al

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 10:22 AM

Hi Guest Holmes, that is the funniest, and most idiotic, article I have read for ages.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 11:08 AM

Thanks, Holmes, for that link. It supports what I have posted about the extreme right inventing and using the cover-up stories.

What says the American Free Press about itself?
You will have and your children will have either an international communistic society with the very rich at the top, the bureaucrats in the middle and the rest of mankind at the bottom, or a free and sovereign America.

Watch your company

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 coverup?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 11:21 AM

Some more bits from American Free Press?

True, many of these young resisters are not 100 percent on our political wave length but we mean to work with them and with every political movement so inclined-no matter their different beliefs-to do all we can to slow down, stop and ultimately reverse the otherwise irresistible move to the Global Plantation. (they are glad about useful idiots)

Thanks to the press, the life-denying values-often called "democratic values"-are in vogue. Kids can't pray in school even as the taxpayers offer huge sums to the theocratic state of Israel. The Boy Scouts are scheduled for the guillotine because they don't want perverts to be scoutmasters and want to restrict membership to normal boys.

That reminds me of Dreaded Guest from former times. The Bilderberg maniak.

Watch your company

Wolfgang