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Subject: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 01 Feb 04 - 12:44 PM http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=568&ncid=749&e=1&u=/nm/20040201/ It appears that all the flak is finally beginning to hit home! Not only is Maul Wart ( Kinfisher Oklahoma USA ) family the Waltons - and their cronies OSU ( Oklahoma State University ) bimbos busy trying to rebuff the true stories of cheating and stealing from customers,they are hiring a generic low cost ( can you believe how mean these people are! ) Public Relations Company to help create yet more lies about how nice Maul Wart really is. Yeah right. Pity they would not pay their clerks a living wage - so that the clerks would not have to short change - steal from - every customer who makes the mistake of paying with a 20 / 50 or really stupid - 100 dollar bill. Doing that in Maul Wart is like wearing new Nike shoes in Liberia- Talk about blood suckers ... no not now, but later. The monster store began cheatin illiterate and often half blind Arkansaw Hillbilly Farmers in the 1960's. Getting away with that they simply moved up and on, Oh employing a fleet of like minded trash out of Oklahoma State University as the money started rolling in. Typical early Sam-scams - underweighing consumables / Washing Powder Coffe Animal Feeds/ etc they moved up and on later with the label switch routine. Here products made in China were relabeled with 'Made In USA' and sold- removing OC the 'Made In China' label. Latest reports I have these days concern perishables such as watered down Milk. Talk about falling prices, naw lets talk about rising water content in the danged Milk! Later more elaborate scams included selling pirated Micrsoft Windows CDs as US made goods. I have one of these complete with counterfiet Book and License. Talk about crooks ! They make the Mob look like a religious order! If you work at Maul Wart. Leave and get a real job with the FBI or the fraud squad because this Oky Hoky outfit is about to be impailed by the good people of the USA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Feb 04 - 01:21 PM Here's the story |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Clinton Hammond Date: 01 Feb 04 - 01:54 PM I love my local Wallmart, and will shop there as longas they are standing... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 01 Feb 04 - 01:57 PM I also like to shop at Wal-Mart and I don't read any of this shit about the company. They have good prices and I save money. If you have a problem with them, don't spend your money there. I'm sure they will hardly notice or care about a couple of whiners. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Walking Eagle Date: 01 Feb 04 - 02:25 PM I don't hate Wal-Mart. I just don't shop there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Feb 04 - 02:38 PM I despise Walmart and it is a store of last resort only if I have tried everywhere else I can think of first. They're driving local mom and pop and medium-sized businesses out of business and forcing their suppliers into horrible situations. They pay shit, they treat their employees like shit, and when you drive into the parking lot you can feel your IQ drop 20 points just for being there. You can find low prices in other stores, but it takes a little more work. I am willing to do that work. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Clinton Hammond Date: 01 Feb 04 - 03:06 PM "They're driving local mom and pop and medium-sized businesses out of business " Aww wwaaaah... that's the food chain for ya... And since when were these M&P stores ever supposed to be this great thing? Every M&P store I've ever been in had sucky selection, high prices, and lousy service... "They pay shit, they treat their employees like shit" O.k.. Pay?? How much SHOULD they get to do a job that basically a trained monkey would be bored at??? It's not rocket science... it's restocking shelves and running a check-out machine that is mostly capable of running itself... Treatment? I know and have known all kinds of people who work, or have worked at Wal-Mart... none of them ever complained... In fact, most of the folks I've known there really kinda dug the job... It was easy money... Maybe my experience is different because of the border? That in the US it's different? I donno... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Feb 04 - 03:29 PM Can't say I'm surprised by the thread so far. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Peg Date: 01 Feb 04 - 05:33 PM I agree whole-heartedly with Stilly River Sage. When the mom and pop stores get forced to close, ther goes any choice you may have had of where to shop in yoru community. The small shops close, the downtown dies, because then everyone has to drive to the damn mall or, increasingly, the stretch of highway that is nothing but one long strip mall. They didn't have these everywhere twenty years ago; now they are inevitable even in small communities. I remember in my neighborhood, a couple miles from the business district "downtown", there were corner stores. General stuff, butcher shops, a fish store, a liquor store. Close by there'd be small "shopping plazas" with 3 or 4 shops: hardware, a restaurant, pharmacy, shoes or clothing. Most of these places are sloed. A shopping mall opened in the 1970s and kept getting bigger. Peopel only gradually began going there instead of downtown to shop. Then, the strip malls near the mall started going up. Walmart opened. The downtown clothing, sewing, pharmacy, garden and electronics shops closed. Sam's Club opened. The little groceries started struggling a nd several closed. Home Depot opened. The local lumber yards and hardware stores closed up shop. The mall then got a multiplex. The downtown cinemas closed. This insidious equation has repeated itself in millions of towns and cities across America, mainly because people are too lazy to shop around and compare prices, and too short-sighted to realize what such practices are doing to their communities. Oh, and too self-centered to understand that the choices they make in life affect other people, and that this in turn just might affect everyone's quality of life just about equally, in the end. They lend a hand in destroying a way of life and little by little that way of life is disappearing. People now habitually buy much more crap than they need just because it's all under one roof and oh, the prices are so low! Now, even if these same people who helped destroy their towns thought better of shopping at Walmart (or Home Depot) it wouldn't matter, because they no longer have a choice. America is done for. Walmart has its sights set on England next. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,"Wover" Date: 01 Feb 04 - 05:40 PM "Maul Wart" Now I don't care who you are, that there is funny! People on this forum are a hoot. Good one sorefingers |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Peace Date: 01 Feb 04 - 05:53 PM Hey, Martin Gibson, someone started a thread with your name on it. They want to know if you've gone mad. Well? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Clinton Hammond Date: 01 Feb 04 - 05:54 PM Peg... I don't wanna start a 'fight' with you... So please, don't take this as baiting you... "They lend a hand in destroying a way of life and little by little that way of life is disappearing." A way of life? Doesn't that imply that what is 'past' is automatically 'better'? I just don't see how that is the case... I mean, if these M&P stores were better, then wouldn't they have survived in sorta the economic equivalent to 'natural selection'? When I hear people talking about 'saving the downtown' core around here, their reason seems to be, at least to me, "Because it's always been there"... but it hasn't 'always' been there... Someone a long time ago changed what it was then into what it used to be not too long ago... and not too long after that changed into what it is now... Seems to me that 'ways of life' are always coming into being, existing for a while and then changing into something else... and that abides for a while and then changes too... and so on... and so on... So, what am I not understanding about 'the other side'? ---------------------------------------------- "America is done for" You may very well be right... but if you are, I don't think ALL the blame can be laid at the feet of WalMart... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Feb 04 - 05:54 PM "Walmart has its sights set on England next" True enough, they've bought up a big supermarker chain, ASDA, and are expanding it. Recently opened up a big store in Harlow. But at least here they have to operate in a context where they can't stop workers getting unionised. They probably would if they could, and Tony Blair probably wouldn't mind, but there are still some things he can't get away with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Mudlark Date: 01 Feb 04 - 05:57 PM Unfortunately, the dumb old Arkies in the 60's thot Wal-mart was the best thing since store-bought milk...and most of them still do, just like the rest of the country. I don't like the stores either, don't like the smells, the lighting, the fake "greeter" camaraderie, or much of the stock they carry. But then, I'm not trying to feed/clothe and supply a family of 4,5,6 on substandard wages (like Wal-mart's) either. I haven't been in the local Walmart for over 3 years, but maybe everybody doesn't have that option. I'm glad I'm able to make it mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: MMario Date: 01 Feb 04 - 06:29 PM well - in my neck of the woods virtually every "Mom and Pop" store was out of business long before we got a Wal-Mart. For shoppers in our region it means not having to drive two hours to a city to get basics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Feb 04 - 08:03 PM I look at the advertising fliers on Wednesday to see what is on sale, if I need to go grocery shopping. I can find good prices at the local grocery stores that way, and I always plan to stop by when I'm in the area so I don't make an extra trip. I drive a pickup because I need the space, but I in turn drive it as little as possible to avoid using a lot of gas. The trick with shopping for sale stuff at the grocery chains is to not get sucked into buying the "regular priced" stuff that is so inflated in price. I shop at stores that have their own obscure brands. There's a great little store in the Dallas-Fort Worth area called Save-A-Lot that has excellent products for 40-50% of the cost of Albertson's, Kroger, etc. The difference? They have unusual brand names. Get over the big brand names, and you save a lot of money. For clothes, we start at the thrift store. I have taught the kids to go down the aisles looking for the color, size, and brands they want. We always come away with plenty of good quality clothes. The most I've ever spent in there at one time is $60, and I came away with a dozen pairs of long pants for all of us, several shirts, and a couple of sweaters. This is called "reuse" and it's a time honored tradition in many parts of the world. From there, we visit the stores like Ross, and check out clearance stuff before moving to the regular aisles. The department stores have caught onto the success of Ross and TJ Max and you can go to very good stores like Foleys, Dillards, and Nordstrom and find their deeply discounted stuff off in their own section of the store. We start there, and only after we've exhausted that, do we go into sale and full-price. We rarely ever end up in the full-price stuff. The clothes that are sold at the department store are generally of a much better quality that the stuff Walmart sells. We can live without Walmart. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 01 Feb 04 - 08:25 PM Clinton Hammond seems to be Canadian, so I'm posting to let you know that some Canadians don't like WalMart either. The company lies -- about its product sources, about its employee practices, about its intentions. When WalMart opened a store in Vancouver several years ago, they wanted to sell guns. It took a lot of people writing letters, picketing, etc. to put a stop to that. WalMart was recently convicted of locking its employees inside their stores at night, in several locations in the US. The store would close, but employees were required to put in several hours after closing -- unpaid hours -- to clean up stock and ready the store for morning. They were locked in by a manager, left with a supervisor who had no keys, and when the store was clean, the supervisor would have to call the manager, who would come and unlock the store, freeing the employees. This all came to light when an accident occurred in which an employee's leg was broken. The manager wasn't home when the supervisor called to have the locks opened; the man had to wait several hours in severe pain before the manager arrived to open the doors. Then, and only then, was an ambulance called. WalMart has also been charged for having illegals working as cleaning people in their stores all across the US. They are paid practically nothing, and receive no time off at all -- not even Christmas. These people work 365 days a year, for very little money, under threat of being reported to the INS if they complain. Buy American and support the Waltons? I don't think so. Google Walton and charges or scandals to learn more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Wover Date: 01 Feb 04 - 08:48 PM But Paul Harvey says Walmart is great, so it must be so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Midchuck Date: 01 Feb 04 - 08:59 PM Wal-Mart has never destroyed a "Mom and Pop" store. The customers who chose to shop at Wal-Mart destroyed those stores, if anyone did. It's up to the consumer to decide whether somewhat lower prices are more important than personal service, a pleasant shopping environment, etc., etc. But sometimes personal service isn't all it's cracked up to be. I recently bought a TV and DVD player from Wal-Mart. I tried Sears, and the salesman drove me crazy by insisting that I wouldn't be happy with the relatively small TV and the fairly basic DVD player I was looking for; I needed bigger ones with more features. What he meant was that he needed a bigger commission. I went back to Wal-Mart, picked the items I wanted off the stack of cartons, put 'em in the cart myself, and went through the checkout line, just like I was buying socks and underwear. But I got what I wanted with no hassles. FWIW. Peter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: DougR Date: 01 Feb 04 - 09:01 PM My son has been employed at Wal-Mart for about twelve years. He makes good money, has a good 401k retirement program which has company participation, a health care plan, etc. I think 90% of the negative things said and printed about Wal-Mart is pure horse pucky, and most of the critics haven't got a clue about how the company operates, or how it treats its employees. There are folks who hate ANY big business, and Wal-Mart is one of the biggest. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Mooh Date: 01 Feb 04 - 09:14 PM Don't shop there personally, but it's likely the only place to get some things in this small town since the competition was reduced. One guy I know complained about the shabby treatment and low wages he received and then went out and played music for cheap in local watering holes undercutting the competition. He didn't make the connection. I laugh at the local politicians who are all worried about the downtown dying when I see them pulling out of the mall parking lots as I'm out walking the dog. Two-faced. Thank goodness there are better places to buy fishing tackle, music, tools, groceries, and clothing, about the only things I buy, in my fair town. I bet the local MallWart hasn't figured out there are a lot of folks like me or they'd be killing my favourite shops. Oh well...Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 01 Feb 04 - 10:32 PM Brucie (with a lisp), No that thread isn't about me. Actually I own three Gibsons and zero Martins, so I must be sane. I have seen many downtowns forced to re-invent themselves successfully because of the Wal-Mart on the outstkirts. I have also seen other chain stores as well as restaurants and hotels come in around the Wal-Mart to become the new shopping center of town, with new jobs and a boost to the local economy. One particular favorite town I know in southwest Michigan started with a Wal-Mart off the Interstate, then came 2 restaurants and three motels, a business park, and then a community college. The downtown rediscovered it's history and is thriving, also. Someone here said the problem some people have with Wal-Mart are the ones who have a problem with big business in general. Please stop whining. Wal-Mart is here to stay. Go spend your money elsewhere if you want to. I'll pay $2.50 for a box of cereal. You can pay $3.75 if you want to, that's your problem, not mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 01 Feb 04 - 10:38 PM DougR: what position does your son hold with WalMart? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Clinton Hammond Date: 01 Feb 04 - 10:40 PM " WalMart was recently convicted of locking its employees inside their stores at night,....freeing the employees." No... no they weren't... somone else recently quoted that at me, and it later came to light it was ONE isolated event, that had extenuating circumstances attached... (Something about a mis-communication) When I dig up the info again, I'll post it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Feb 04 - 11:10 PM Couldn't agree with you more, Peg and Stilly. I went to the local Maul-Wart twice, just to see what it was like. It's a lot like a casino. The only place you can find more bad vibes (but less phoniness) is at the local penitentiary...of course, that's a whole different style of bad vibes. People who are totally materialistic (in their consciousness, I mean, if not in their philosophy) don't even notice stuff like that, I imagine...it slides off 'em like water off a duck...so it doesn't bother them in the least to go shopping at WalMart. Same deal with casinos...which are like a slice of hell. Same deal with a lot of bars. It's a low mentality. I have never bought anything from Walmart and never will, nor did I return after checking the place out. If I had a dive bombing squadron available, I would send them to our local WalMart and obliterate it, after, of course, giving them 24 hours notice to clear out so that no one got hurt. (This is obviously sheer fantasy, so don't get all worked up reacting to it, Walmart lovers, cos it ain't gonna happen, and I know it. I enjoy my fantasies just as much as the rest of you enjoy yours.) Once again I am gazing at Clinton across the front lines of life, like Jackson looking across the Rapahannock at the endless resources of the Big Blue Machine in 1862. In this system, like then, BIG MONEY and vapid convenience rule the roost...just like Capone did in Chicago. A lot of people loved Capone too. People are easily bought, easily fooled, and most of them line right up with the status quo and never analyse it at all as long as "number one" isn't hurting. Every day I watch the cars pouring into Maul-Wart as I go by, just like they do into the casino. Shit attracts a lot of flies. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Feb 04 - 11:30 PM Martin, you're nuts to pay $2.50 to Walmart for that cereal. We get a comparable quality cereal, same size box but without Post or Kellogg on it, anywhere from 99 cents to $1.50 at our little Save-A-Lot grocery and at a couple of "Grocey Outlet" stores in the area. The trick for this grocery store is that it carries the staples and doesn't have specialized stuff sitting on the shelves until it expires. Lots of good dry goods and canned goods, but not every flavor under the sun. They have specials on things when they can get them for less, and you learn to shop according to season. We buy the staples here, and go to the big name grocery stores for those flavors or more exotic items not available at our store. Works out just fine. I do try to take advantage of some of the big store giveaways--over Thanksgiving I totalled enough things on my shopping list to score a free turkey at the end of my shopping. My little store will never be running a special like that. One of my best friends had a horrible experience working for Walmart. They reward competence with overwork. She had to leave because her health was suffering from the long hours. And the pay sucks. Barely over minimum wage. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 02 Feb 04 - 12:00 AM Here is the article about the worker whose leg was crushed while he was locked in at WalMart at night. The article is from the New York Times, but I can't get the whole thing because it is now archived, and I would have to buy it. Note the capitalized words -- I added the caps, but the words are original to the article. Workers Assail Night Lock-Ins by Wal-Mart Looking back to that night, Michael Rodriguez still has trouble believing the situation he faced when he was stocking shelves on the overnight shift at the Sam's Club in Corpus Christi, Tex. It was 3 a.m., Mr. Rodriguez recalled, some heavy machinery had just smashed into his ankle, and he had no idea how he would get to the hospital. The Sam's Club, a Wal-Mart subsidiary, had locked its overnight workers in, AS IT ALWAYS DID, to keep robbers out and, as some managers say, to prevent employee theft. AS USUAL, there was no manager with a key to let Mr. Rodriguez out. The fire exit, he said, was hardly an option — management had drummed into the overnight workers that if they ever used that exit for anything but a fire, they would lose their jobs. "My ankle was crushed," Mr. Rodriguez said, explaining he had been struck by an electronic cart driven by an employee moving stacks of merchandise. "I was yelling and running around like a hurt dog that had been hit by a car. Another worker made some phone calls to reach a manager, and it took an hour for someone to get there and unlock the door." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Donuel Date: 02 Feb 04 - 09:14 AM Night time lock ins have been around for decades before Walmart. Walmart has but one store in the Wash. DC area. They tried to expand by trying to build on George Washington's childhood home and farm land but were defeated twice. Maybe 3 times will be the charm. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,James Date: 02 Feb 04 - 09:41 AM I tend not to shop at big box stores because there are none of them where I live and when I go into the city I try to support local book, music, craft and other types of locally owned business. Many of these small shops offer unique service and hard to find items that would never be on offer at the big stores. If we lose our small shopes, we hurt our neighbours, cut down on our choices and send money out of the community. I am not a wealthy person but it is worth it to me to spend a wee bit more to support my local community and economy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Peg Date: 02 Feb 04 - 09:52 AM Clinton;I do see your point about the 'nostalgia' thing, but it is not really about that. Older is not necessarily better in all things. But, communities based on smaller businesses, that treat people as individuals, that know their customers by name, that generate customer loyalty because they are able to treat people well and keep them coming back, that do not have toabide by corporate policies towarsd employees and thus generate employee loyalty, too.I mean,does anyone disagree that poor retail service is at least partially a result of poor employee morale, and that high turnover in these jobs is much less likely in smaller businesses?), all this is more desirable than what Wal-mart hasto offer, in my book, and well, this is what is disappearing. Peter; interesting story about Sears. But they are a big corporate chain, too--and have a more aggressive sales policy (they go after you on the sales floor). Little Hawk; I know what you mean about that vibe.I get a headache in these places, and feel strangely drained of energy after being in them for a while.I have never been to a casino but I have a feeling I would hate that, too. Why shouldn't shopping be a pleasant experience? I don't like big groecery stores,either. I prefer the European model: stop at the butcher, the bakery, the greengrocers each day for supplies for that evening's meal... I get 95% of my clothing used at thrift shops. Saves tons of money (a $65 wool sweater for $5) and I get much better quality than buying cheap discount brands. And finding items that are hardly used or even new is not difficult. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 02 Feb 04 - 10:48 AM Guest James was spot on: shopping at big chains sends money out of the community; shopping at local merchants keeps it in the community. Frankly, I don't like WalMart because they represent corporate greed at its worst -- they seem to hold members of the buying public in the same contempt they show for their employees. Yuck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 04 - 11:10 AM Here's a casino, Peg: Picture a gigantic, garishly lit and decorated room, filled with a horde of people consumed by a single emotion: greed for cash. Thousands and thousands of little bells, gongs, bongs, and tweets are sounding frenetically from the one-armed bandits (slot machines), filling the air with an endless babble of noise. The people's eyes are fixed hypnotically on the machines. Some of those people have been there for hours...some all night...but you can't tell what time it is, because there are (deliberately) no windows in the place at all. The outside world does not exist when you're in a casino. You will notice that a great many of those people are old, worn, retired people, probably not people with very much money in the first place. The same people you will see in a bingo hall. A lot of old women. You will also probably see a lot of Orientals, young and old, because they seem to like gambling a lot in those cultures. You will see the "high rollers"...guys in gold chains and flamboyant clothing...guys who imagine themselves in a James Bond novel and laugh loudly with bravado as they lose their money. The house almost always wins. One time when I was driving taxi I picked up one such fellow. He boasted to me that he had won $20,000 that day and later lost $55,000. He was $35,000 in the hole and seemingly proud of it. He intended to go back and play again "tomorrow". They have kindly people there on staff who will "finance" your house or car if you run out of money while playing. They have people who are so unwilling to leave the machine they are playing on even to go to the washroom that they wear something under their clothes so they can pee in their pants and not leave the slot machine (rare, but it does happen). On the sides you will see the other games...poker, blackjack, roulette, and so on. You will find plenty of good entertainment in the theater, cos those places make enough money to hire the best. You will find lots of alcohol...it encourages bad judgement. And, saddest thing of all in my opinion, you may find that the place is run by the descendants of such fine people as Crazy Horse or Tecumseh or Chief Joseph. It's the triumph of banality and nihilism. I went to see it because I wanted to see the face of my enemy in order to know him better. That's why I went to WalMart too. I also went to the casino once to see Buffy Sainte-Marie do a show in the theatre. Great show. Their little stratagem didn't work too well, though, cos the only money I spent that night was my concert ticket, and I haven't been back since. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 02 Feb 04 - 12:19 PM Several people I talked to about this say that Maul-Wart sells stuff for less than anyother store. Well folks you are being lied to. Maul-Wart DOES not undersell these days. Mostly when you compare by shopping around Maul-Wart tends to be higher For example, Car Battery at Maul-Wart on sale 39.99 same product at a local farm-supply store 19.99. The clerk there told me that every year ALL stores clear their shelves of old batteries, something about the warranty, and they have to discount the product to get rid of old stock. What is instructive here is how Maul-Wart pawns you off with defective goods at the regular price all the while telling you that their prices are falling. More like rising, and what makes me feel for the people who shop there, Maul-Wart also schleps em a pig in a poke every time, ie the goods are factory reject, underweight, watered down, conterfeit- try calling MS about yer Wally CD! - and so on. Shopping at Maul-Wart for groceries is a death sentence, put it this way your colon would thank you for shopping someplace else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 04 - 12:45 PM Right on. Furthermore, Walmart tantalizes people with a few advertised "loss leaders" while sucking them into buying a ton of other stuff at higher prices than they might find elsewhere. It's marketing...lies and false representation...just like what you get from the political parties when they are seeking your vote. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Don Firth Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:06 PM Pour yourself a cup of coffee or tea or pop open a beer and prop your feet up. Here's a bunch of reading material: The scoop on Wal-Mart. An opinion from the heartland For Californians (and others):— Anyone who doesn't like what's on this website will undoubtedly claim that these people are just a bunch of New-Age twig-eaters, so their opinion accounts for nothing, but HERE is what many people who value their health say about the relationship between Wal-Mart and the California grocery strike. A few years back, my wife, Barbara, and I were in Fairbury, Nebraska where Barbara was born. The only store in the area where you could buy a whole variety of things was Wal-Mart, just east of town. Most of the other stores had folded up because they couldn't compete with Wal-Mart's prices. But once the competition had been driven out of business, Wal-Mart's prices started creeping back up. That, folks, is the way it works. It's called "monopoly." Here's another little tidbit :— Wal-Mart strikes back. By the way, GUEST,Martin Gibson, having crossed blades with you on another thread, I just wanted to mention that I didn't really spend a lot of time this morning researching the above, because I gleaned most of this information weeks ago. Don't be concerned about my having too much time on my hands and wasting it on things that are inconsequential. I keep up on this sort of thing because I'm a bit of an idealist, and I think that this could be a better world if we are willing to try to make it so. And part of it is to call certain things to the attention of other people who actually are concerned for their fellow human beings. I note that you say above that you "don't read any of this shit about the company." This, of course, is a great way to bury your head in the sand, not think about an issue, and avoid any ethical dilemmas. Then you go on to call those who do have a problem with Wal-Mart's ethics "whiners." Then, in another post further down, you address one of our fellow 'Catters as "Brucie (with a lisp)." You, sir, are a real piece of work. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Don Firth Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:11 PM Sorry, sorefingers. My last link seems to have duplicated your effort. But what the hell, it's worth reading twice. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:25 PM And you Don Firth are a moron who pounds his chest as a flaming know-it all. I'm sure you piss what little money you earn away as foolishly in the name of your silly causes that no one cares about. Like I said, don't like Wal-Mart, don't shop there. Your little rant is having NO effect on people who like to save money practicing the fine art of consumerism. You spend way too much time "gleaning" while others are living, geeko. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:31 PM Where did you get your keen sense of rational debate, Martin? People practicing the fine art of consumerism are "pissing away" the whole world at this point...and for nothing. No matter how many toys you take home, it won't make you a better or happier person in the long run. It might make you feel good for an hour or a day though, I suppose. (I enjoy my toys too.) What is your life actually about, ultimately? What would you say? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:40 PM Martin Gibson sounds like a WalMart wannabe -- can't you imagine him having vast power and throwing it around like the biggest guy in the bar? And isn't it fortunate that forums provide anonymity? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:54 PM Touché, LH. MartinGibson is a fool, to be insulting one of the kindest and wisest of men, and on top of that, one of the best folksingers I've ever had the pleasure to know! When I discussed the IQ drain being about 20 points on Walmart property, that was an average. Clearly mileages may vary. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Kim C Date: 02 Feb 04 - 02:55 PM I have to go with MMario on this one - many of Nashville's little businesses closed a long time before we had Big Box stores. Sometimes people just want to retire. Here in Nashville, independent stores are generally a LOT more expensive than the big boxes - that could be because most of the independent shops are in the wealthy neighborhoods, catering to a wealthy clientele who want to buy exclusive clothes, home decorations, etc. Levy's is a good example - this menswear store has been around since the 1850s. That's right, I said 1850s. A few years ago they expanded to carry some women's things. They're right across from the mall, and their parking lot is always packed. The influx of immigrants in Tennessee has spawned a slew of Mexican, Asian, and Middle-Eastern groceries - specialty shops that sell what you can't find at Wal-Mart or Kroger or Publix. I guess is just depends on supply and demand in any particular area. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Clinton Hammond Date: 02 Feb 04 - 03:12 PM " People practicing the fine art of consumerism are "pissing away" the whole world at this point." What an absolutely inane thing to say... just like... "People who are totally materialistic" With out getting into a stupid "Did Jesus OWN the clothing he wore" debate, ALL people are materialistic... we need to buy the STUFF we don't know how to make/grow/assemble ourselves... Or did you whittle that computer you're sitting at from your own recycled skin-cells? Those books on your bookshelf? You wrote them all yourself, by hand, on paper made from reclaimed snot I suppose eh... Oh no... wait... that's right... yer sitting in a cave somewhere 'in tune' with 'nature', posting to Mudcat by the power of focusing your 'aura' though crystals thanks in part to your high fibre diet and your overall One-ness with the 'cosmos'... taking only pictures and leaving only footprints... Go hug a rainbow, LH! ------------------------------------------------------ Peg... "all this is more desirable than what Wal-mart hasto offer, in my book, and well, this is what is disappearing" I can see where yer coming from... I don't necessarily agree, but I grock ya... See, me on the other hand... I like the 'mall' and the bigger the better... I like a place where I can get a book, a haircut, some new socks, a bag of 'pickle' flavour popcorn, flights for my darts, flowers for my Herself, and 2 tins of cat food... All without having to run around the downtown core to go to 5 different stores that don't have parking of their own... Was it Tim Leary who said, "It's all at the mall!" maybe? Tangentally... I'll be very curious to see what happens when my local Walmart picks up on my local Zhers (big box grocery store) idea of automated check-outs... they're getting to the point where all they need is a manager to solve software crashes, and a security guard to solve hard and meat ware crashes... and I suppose some kind of robotic trained monkey to restock shelves... ----------------------------------------- "And isn't it fortunate that forums provide anonymity?" And what the hell then is a pdc??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 02 Feb 04 - 03:35 PM pdc means pretty darned cute, pretty darned clever, or perniciously devilish cretin, depending on mood. (Actually, just my initials -- I'm not particularly creative.) My point was that some people who are swaggering bullies online are actually timid pussycats in real life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Don Firth Date: 02 Feb 04 - 03:42 PM Descended to abuse, I see. The mark of the true intellectual. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST Date: 02 Feb 04 - 03:44 PM Please tell us you are kidding about the "pickle flavour popcorn." It can't exist.........can it? Please don't let it be exported. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 04 - 04:20 PM You always put a glow in my heart, Clinton. :-) Why hug a rainbow when I can go to Windsor and hug you instead? Of course all people are materialistic...but how materialistic? That's the question. I bet I'm just as practical as you are in most respects, and I really don't like malls all that much...but I patronize them to a certain extent. Just not Walmart. Interestingly enough my favorite specialty store...the really good hobby shop...can no longer be found in malls for some reason. Nor can the really good music shop. Not around here anyway. They're always independent stores out on the street somewhere. I get to breathe some fresh air while walking to them, and that's enjoyable (although it can also be cold or wet). The air is usually not too good inside malls. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Clinton Hammond Date: 02 Feb 04 - 04:38 PM "It can't exist.........can it?" Yes... yes it does... and I eat it like there's no tomorrow! :-P~~~~~~~~ hehehe ----------------------------- "The air is usually not too good inside malls." LOL! The air in the malls in Windsor is infinitely better than what passes for it outside! I have actually heard people in this town say, "Let's get inside for a breath of fresh air!" -------------------------------------- "some people who are swaggering bullies online are actually timid pussycats" And I hear that a lot of the supposedly 18 year old chatroom, cyber-sex 'sluts' are really 40ish lonely men and or convicts! LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 04 - 04:43 PM In other words...Windsor is best avoided? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Clinton Hammond Date: 02 Feb 04 - 04:49 PM Have I ever lead you to believe otherwise LH?????? LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Feb 04 - 04:56 PM There are certainly pros and cons to malls. Anything you buy there seems to be more expensive, because of the cost of the overhead. But what is the cost of a free-standing brick-and-mortar store? A price difference may not be the case any more, maybe it never was. But in a human cultural sense, going to the mall is today what going to a fair or going out on market day might have been when such things existed for purchasing goods, offering services, etc. Not exactly the souk, but certainly entertaining. In the city where I lived when I was first old enough to go downtown by myself, the variety of small stores, the bookstore with all of it's great stationary items, the import store, the sewing and jewelry stores, drug stores, sporting goods stores, and J.C. Penney with it's wonderful candy counter and the old movie theaters were all part of what made walking through downtown interesting. The mall sucked the life out of downtown. It's trying to come back now, but it is a changed place and doesn't have the same kind of commercial activity. Walmart sucks the life out of anything nearby because of the way it forces its suppliers to drop every other account to fill Walmart orders, and in the process loses them that other business. Then they're really screwed if Walmart comes back and asks for even lower prices (they can't say no, and just sell more to everyone else--other customers are long gone). And sometimes they sacrifice those companies, forcing them out of business, to decrease competition and allow them to raise prices on other stuff. I don't have a citation on this, but picked it up over the years on programs like Frontline. Ever see the movie The Solid Gold Cadillac? SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Feb 04 - 04:57 PM Lock-ins in pubs are one thing, but supermarkets... Our Tescos has its people stacking shelves and that all night, so they stay open 24 hours, and you can wander in in the small hours and do your shopping then if you can't sleep, and you're short of something. But then I suppose we're a boring old place without the colourful night life and mayhem that some places do. No doubt in time we'll catch up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Bill D Date: 02 Feb 04 - 05:22 PM WalMart is Godzilla with an American accent. It doesn't care who it tramples and what it affects. It is, in business, like those buildings that are so big they make their own weather....and people are drowning. This is called unfair business practices. Just because they **force** some artifically low prices by threatening wholesalers, does not mean their impact is good, honorable or sane. It is certainly possible to be large and successful in business without the sleazy tricks WalMart uses, and I don't begrudge a company who manages to rise by being 'better'...but jeeze! Now all we need is a merger between MicroSoft, WalMart and Disney! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 04 - 06:31 PM And McDonalds. There is a McDonalds attached to the local WalMart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 02 Feb 04 - 08:27 PM Ok Don, it's fine to repeat what needs repeating! In fact the more I say the better it sounds. 'Maul-Wart Sucks the Life Our Of You/r Food!' Reading about Woody G and how he used say unless you can make people better off with a song, it ain't worth singing. Well if Woody taught me and my generation anything, it was to be brassy and tell it like it is, no matter who got hard feelins about our songs! Sometimes ya have to say it, and this is one of them! If I was a better song writer I would have long since done the deed, but I ain't that good. Sooner or later it has to happen. For now it's my own version of "The Very Fat Corporate Pig Who Waters The Babies Milk, Maul - Wart USA" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Cluin Date: 02 Feb 04 - 11:54 PM Yep, dill pickle flavoured popcorn exists, smells like an old gym sock, and tastes worse. Just the kind of thing Clinton loves. ;) I shop at WalMart. Actually, I shop all over, including local mom&pop type stores. And I do my buying where the price is best. Being a starving artist/musician, I can't afford principles. But I do give other businesses the chance to price-match for identical products. Some of them will and in that case, I give the smaller shops my business. However a lot of the smaller shops simply can't afford to match WalMart prices. I understand that, and they understand my buying at WalMart. They would do the same thing. Do I hate WalMart? Hell, yeah. I hate anyone or anything that's doing better than me! ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 03 Feb 04 - 12:02 AM Yeah. :-) There's a lotta that goin' around, Cluin. I feel like that on my down days sometimes too. But dill-flavoured popcorn and pickle-flavoured ice cream???? Man, I wouldn't force that stuff down the throat of the scummiest mango-picker in this town if he insulted my grandma and stole my last mickey of Scotch. Well...maybe if he stole the Scotch, I would. Hmmmm. I bet if Capone was alive now, he'd be runnin' Mal-Wart. Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: katlaughing Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:17 AM Pedant alert: there is no apostrophe in the possessive form of "its." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Neighmond Date: 03 Feb 04 - 04:20 AM Wal-Mart moved in here about 12 years ago, and I began working up here in 1998. I am still here, and so are they. My secret? I provide the kind of service that they couldn't dream of providing. Their entire watch department consists of one or two end caps, an eight foot case and a ten foot case, and a set of camara tools (no joke! That's where they bought their supplies!) Their staff? Spent all of a day traing, and an hour or less was spent on the products they carry, thhe rest is spent on "salesmanship" and legelaties of the job. My workplace? One certified watchmaker. One watchmaker. Two bench jewelers. Another watchmaker, who is also a master clockmaker, and associated with the Piano Technicians' Guild, and an apprentice bench jeweler. Nearly 100 combined years in watch experience and nearly 80 years in combined jewelry experience. Plus four wonderful sales ladies who have forgotten more about their business than I'll ever know. Some customer brings a watch to Wal-Mart and pays $2.95 for a cell and they may or may not get the right cell, may or may not tighten the cell strap down, may or may not put the case back gasket on, you get the picture. I charge $5 (with tax) to install a cell and the case gets a complete exam, the contacts cleaned and the movement looked over. If it needs cleaned or has rust or other issues I tell the customer and bid the job, and back it. I won't even go into clock repair, but suffice it to say I have the corner on the local market there, too. Tell me, who do you trust with Grandpa's ticker? Size ain't everything. Chaz |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Julian & Sandy Date: 03 Feb 04 - 06:23 AM Sandy is there one of these places near us ? - that sounds fun, although I think in your case it would have to be "Sucks a little less". Oh Julikins sweetie you can be such a bitch at times - you'd probably be even more than this Maul Wart fellow could manage . . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Bill D Date: 03 Feb 04 - 12:14 PM here we go! It is not just a few mal-contents who are leery of Wal-Mart's size & attitude! Today's Washington Post |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Kim C Date: 03 Feb 04 - 12:34 PM I have a lot of stuff. Not as much as some, but it's a lot of stuff in the small space where I live. I enjoy my stuff, because I try to surround myself only with stuff I really need or really enjoy. And I don't get anything really expensive that can't be replaced if the Giant Puppy knocks it off the table wagging his massive Tail of Doom. I like my stuff. But it's only stuff. It's not the be-all and end-all of the world. And Chaz, you're right... if I want a disposable watch to take on vacation, I'll go to Wal-Mart. If I want my good watches taken care of, I go to a specialist. And thankfully, there's still a place for specialists. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Larry K Date: 03 Feb 04 - 01:58 PM People vote with the pocketbooks. Clearly they are voting for Wal Mart. If you don't like it, don't shop there- or Home Depot (which drove out all the hardware stores) or Office Max/Staples (which drove out all the stationary stores) or any other big box. It is up to the local mom and pops to offer a niche or special service to distinguish themselves. If they do they prosper. If they don't they go out of business. That is capitalism. And the system is working. America has 5% of the worlds population but 43% of the worlds GNP according to Newsweek magazine. And this is actually increasing. A recent article stated how the EURO had planned to catch up to America, but has actually fallen futher behind and is still losing ground. I do not generally shop at Wal Mart, but would have no problem shopping there if it was convienent. In talking to friends of mine, I would have to say the treatment of employees at K Mart and Meijers is worse than that of Wal Mart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Mooh Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:18 PM Disposable watch? That's part of the problem. We live in a disposable world based on rampant consumerism. Too much packaging, too many single use products, too few recyclables, too many unrefillable containers, etc etc etc.. Maybe it's because I don't like such things that I don't find myself lured by MallWart, besides my revulsion of their labour tactics. Sigh, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Clinton Hammond Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:34 PM I like the fact that my watch probably has 5 or 10 cents worth of material in it... and that it was put together by a machine, or by a dude who's now making more money than anyone in his family ever has... That way, when my watch breaks (I had one 10 buck watch last me 15 years) it bothers me not at all to toss it out and go get a new one... I'd love to see a place for dropping off old electronics like that, of course... cell phones... old PCs... watches... hand-helds... old guitar tuners and effects peddles.... to reclaim what could be reclaimed... To recycle what can be recycled... I just don't think there is one around here yet... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,! Date: 03 Feb 04 - 04:44 PM Dear Chaz, thank you for being there to prove to me yet again that cheaper is not better. Quality does matter. So, when I enjoy my Martin DM guitar, when I play with my preWW2 Roliflex camera, when I marvel at the exquisite inlay on my American made antique banjo, I am again reminded of the very good reasons why cheap is always crap. You eat cheap then you are crap |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Feb 04 - 11:51 PM I just took my 60+ year old White sewing machine in for service and a little repair job. It will cost me about $65 to $70, and you can probably buy a cheap plastic machine at Walmart for just over $100. But this machine will keep going for many years yet, 99% of the sewing most people do is in a straight line forward (as this old machine does). It has attachments for the rest. Too much is thrown out, not enough is repaired. Walmart is a symbol of American conspicuous consumption--of the world's resources. Americans are blind, and Walmart sells blinders. It's a perfect match. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: LadyJean Date: 04 Feb 04 - 01:05 AM I have shopped in Wal Marts. The stores are dirty. The floors are never washed, there's a layer of grime over everything. The merchandise is stacked so high I can't reach things. I'm 5'7, average height, so putting things out of my reach is really dumb. The piles of merchandise have no sales appeal, except that they're kind of cheap. The employees look like refugees from third world countries, which, I suppose, in a way they are. I have learned from long experience that it's best to shop where the staff is treated well. They are less likely to see customers as the enemy. Grocery prices at Wal Mart are no lower than at the local grocery chain, and in that I don't have a family of six, I don't need a giant box of cereal, or a 5 gallon jar of pickles. Sears sales staff always put the pressure on. That's the downside. The upside is that you will be waited on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Feb 04 - 01:06 AM Yup, and when you go to "poor" places like Cuba and Trinidad and meet the ordinary people who live there and live among them for awhile...Then you soon begin to understand just how poverty-stricken the affluent society in North America really is. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: DougR Date: 04 Feb 04 - 01:19 AM pdc: he's a night assistant manager. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Feb 04 - 12:35 AM Sales staff and clerks are always scarce at Walmart. That's the conclusion of those I know who shop there, and it is what I've observed the few times in recent years I've been in one. I haven't had a problem at Sears or any other department store, because if I don't need help I tell them I don't need help. That seems to take care of it. At least they have people there to help you! I haven't been pressured to buy anything I didn't want or to unnecessarily upgrade. I rarely ever buy a service contract--if I'm buying something from the store I expect it to operate, or I wouldn't be buying it. I have my "Craftsman Club" discount card because I buy things like saws and drill bits and such more often than anything else there. Sears built a solid reputation on the quality and guarantee of its tools--but they don't undercut anyone else's price very often. You buy their tools because they're good. I usually go to Sears first and if they don't have what I want, then I head to Home Depot. Not many little hardware stores around any more for tools, none in my area. I can't think of a single thing that Walmart is famous for because of its superior quality. I used to go there to buy cheap medications like acetamenophen and ibuprophen, but I have since found that discount stores like Dollar General and such carry it much less expensively than Walmart. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 05 Feb 04 - 06:48 PM Like the cheap flimsy junk that once posed as clothes Maul Wart exploded onto the scene and just as quickly is about to implode. Not only is Maul Wart's merchandice junk, it is now expensive junk as well. Truely Maul Wart sucks the life from any stupid enough to shop there! I give it 5 years to grind to a horrible end. BTW Don't older populations chose to buy better quality because the goods don't fall apart as soon as taken from the packing, chose to buy better quality groceries because the food is less likely to poison them or grow colon cancers inside their aging bodies, chose to shop at safe stores where they are not robbed at the checkout by underpaid half starving clerks who short change everybody to get the money to but real food for themselves and their own kids at Albertsons? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: M.Ted Date: 06 Feb 04 - 11:00 PM Walmart originally started out by putting stores in those areas that had recently turned from cornfields into sprawling developments--areas that were so new that other retailers didn't even know they existed---they were incredibly successful because most of the areas had no retail infrastructure at all--they took profits and invested them in new stores, and got to be very good at building new stores and opening them fast--the thing is that now they have expanded into everyplace that fit their original marketing model, and(because expansion is necessary in their business model) are forced to move into areas that it isn't quite so easy to get that "instant market dominance"-- The other thing is that other retailers have followed them into their original markets, and are taking big chunks of their market share--Their clothing business is getting eaten into by Target, TJ Maxx, Marshalls, Ross, and number of others who offer better quality, more stylish clothing, with brand names, at the same prices that WM is asking--Circuit City and Best Buys are cutting their electronics and appliance business to ribbons because they have so much more stuff(if you want to see a mecca to consumerism, Little Hawk, you gotta check out Circuit City)-- Bottom line is that Walmart, though it is the biggest retailer in the world, doesn't have much to attract new customers, and they are losing some of of their old ones--that's why their going into the mega-grocery business--the thing is that the grocery business works a whole different way than the discount retail business, and they will be fighting for a share of already established markets--When you're as big as WalMart, and you start to lose money, it is going to be on an enormous scale-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Nerd Date: 06 Feb 04 - 11:50 PM For anyone who does dislike Wal-Mart and cares about labor, opensecret.org reports that Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry owns between one and five million dollars of Wal-Mart stock. (Senators must disclose only the range, so it could be anywhere in there). I don't know if this will be enough to change anyone's vote in the primary, but Howard Dean could sure use some momentum about now! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Feb 04 - 12:03 AM Howard Dean has done some marvelous things for the party, but it's going to be up to Kerry to beat Bush. Dean didn't have the momentum. Even if Kerry does own Walmart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Metchosin Date: 07 Feb 04 - 01:22 AM Not a Wal-Mart fan, never have been, the atmosphere is uncomfortable and the lighting gives me migraines. I can also find items of superior quality at equal or better prices than those offered at Wal-Mart and I do not care for their business practices. When I do ocassionally go out for a bout of "rampant consumerism", one of my favourite places to shop is Costco. I didn't realize it was one of the "good guys" regarding some of their business practices, until a few minutes ago, when I found the following article: Choose Costco |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Nerd Date: 07 Feb 04 - 09:19 AM SRS, I understand where you're coming from. Here are a couple of points to think about (1) No one will still have momentum when the General comes around. Momentum can only determine who will win the nomination, and then only if we let it. (2) Momentum is a media-generated effect. If we want any hope of momentum to carry into the general, we need to keep the media intersted by prolonging the Democratic horse race as long as possible. The reason Bush is on the ropes right now is that there a bunch of Democrats in the news every day lambasting him. The sooner this narrows to one candidate, the more we let the idea of "momentum" take over, the sooner the media will stop reporting it as a horse race. This accomplishes two things for Bush. It takes the Democrats out of the news early, and it allows Bush's planning people to focus on one person early. (3) Bill Clinton did not secure the nomination until June 1992. He did not have much momentum at this stage of the race either. If we had given up at this stage in 1992 and voted in the primaries on the basis of "momentum" Clinton would not have been the nominee, and Bush I would probably have had a second term. (4) Once again, Kerry is a Wal Mart Millionaire. Yuck! I'll vote for him in the general election if I have to, but I'm going to see if I can get Dean nominated first. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Feb 04 - 10:10 AM As contrary as it may seem, I have shopped at Sam's Club for many years, a few times a year. They compete in a different market than Walmart (they come up against places like Costco and there was another one that died off a few years ago--and the prices aren't so low, they deal more in bulk). But Costco started building in the region about five years ago. Until recently I haven't had one close by (I pass it on my way to work when it isn't open yet, but my route home follows a different route). They even sent out a free membership card but I never got in to use it. My parents both liked Costco, so I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the reminder. I started shopping at Sam's because it was the only place I could find big boxes of powdered milk. Back when I was using dairy I was cooking with it, making a lot of yogurt and yogurt cheese. We were trying to use our dairy in a healthy way, and powdered worked well. But I haven't eaten dairy since about when they started building Costcos, so I expect it's time to look back and take this as a sign! Nerd, I think your reasoning is sound. I am in the unhappy position of living in Texas, where my democratic vote isn't going to make a difference in the fall, and probably won't be much of a blip on our primary, either. Gotta get rid of this damned electoral college. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 07 Feb 04 - 12:10 PM Though the demise of cheapo Maul Wart has nothing to do with the election, I notice the insiders have hoisted Kerry over Dean to save G W 's hide. That makes sense if they thought Dean would be a serious contender; however, schleping Kerry in front to provide a soft target for G W may just backfire in their faces. What if the public fall for Kerry's non comital - say absolutely nothing at all of value - blarney and elect him? I agree that Dean should have been better able to handle loosing states nomination contests, and that very behavior is why I would never vote for him. In fact, at this late stage all he has to do is talk about the ISSUES not his opponents - but OC he won't.... ego ego ego. Is he yet another spineless fact twister? Maybe, but a hard days work is not in his spoilt upper class vocabulary. How do Doctor Dean! G W is a man, Dr Dean is a sissy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: katlaughing Date: 07 Feb 04 - 02:25 PM Sorry, Mets, but you might want to take a look at this article about Costco & Eminent Domain. I found it after hearing a report on Colorado Public Radio about the city of Westminster using E.D. to take a lake in order for Costco to build on that site. The interview/report was on eminent domain, in general and they also noted the city of Boulder is taking away a blind woman's home for a retailer (can't remember which one.) There's more out there on Costco, apparently they use this kind of tactic a lot to get what they want and the tax revenues they bring in far outweigh what city coffers may glean from an individual or open space. From what I saw, they have been brought to court in several cities by folks trying to stop them. Some "megachurch" in California lost out to them, too, apparently. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Metchosin Date: 07 Feb 04 - 04:27 PM Well after I read the article, without further details, I'm still in the dark regarding Costco's part in it. Seems more to me like the City, or whatever, has been up to some questionable practices that border on fraud, but then I am only going by what little I understand of Canadian law regarding Right of Domain, not American. Canada has no property rights enshrined in a constitiution, in effect everything belongs to what is deemed, "the Crown" and confiscation of property occurs on a regular basis, as in the case of the failure to pay property taxes, on said property and the construction of public works, ie roads, airports, hospitals etc. I also believe that the Crown is obliged to pay "market value" (sometimes a debatable point in the minds of those forced to give up their real property) for the property confiscated for public works. Properties confiscated and sold for outstanding taxes, sometimes may go a bit cheaper, but again, they are supposed to relect fair market value, the money from said sale, which then accrues to "the Crown". I have never heard of the Crown, in this country, confiscating private land, in order to turn it over to another private individual or corporation , in an endeavour to gain more tax revenue. That's pretty weird. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 07 Feb 04 - 04:42 PM Metchosin, "eminent domain" is a big scandal in the US, especially at the municipal level. City governments use an increased tax base as their excuse for expropriating private property and turning it over to developers or whatever. If you want to curl your hair, Google "eminent domain" +US, and see the heartbreaking and unbelievable stories you get. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Metchosin Date: 07 Feb 04 - 05:23 PM Well now that Paul's come into power, I wouldn't give it anymore than 20 minutes before it kicks in in this country too. His excuse for using offshore tax haven loopholes, was something along the line of "that's how its done in a global economy in order to keep competitive with the big boys." He personally had a hand in conveniently failing to close those loopholes, when he was in charge of Finance. Its a matter of record also, that he registered his ships in foreign countries, to avoid Canadian labour regulations, safety standards and all those other restrictive barriers to an honest and principaled approach to commerce in this day and age. A foolish thief simply steals . An intelligent thief enshrines his right to do so in the laws of the land.......humming........This land is my land, this land is my land, this land belongs to me and me. *BG* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Metchosin Date: 07 Feb 04 - 05:25 PM o,r as has been said before "The meek shall inherit earth.....but they'll never gain title to it." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 07 Feb 04 - 09:46 PM I went to Wal-Mart today, bought a bunch of things for the house and family, had decent friendly help from the clerk, exchanged pleasantries with the cashier and saved a lot of money. Stilly River sage and Don Firth, why don't you learn something about life instead of calling someone a fool who might just have more of a handle on life than a narrow minded folksinger and his stooge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Feb 04 - 11:01 PM Stuff it, GuitarGuitar. Your strings are wound a little too tight. Eminent domain has been used in theory for "the greater good," and that was how the county justified taking 10 acres of prime lakefront property from a friend many years ago. Then they found they didn't have the money to develop the land, so they worked out an arrangement that she could continue to live there and pay them a nominal rent. It benefited the park department a lot because she mowed much of the property and kept it all looking good, as she always had. Then a neighbor up the road decided this must be a sweetheart deal and made a big fuss at county meetings. My friend didn't need that grief, moved out, and the place went to seed. And it still looks like shit 25 years later. That land is off of the tax rolls, but it would have brought some nice income to the county for all of these years if they'd left it alone. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Nerd Date: 08 Feb 04 - 01:05 AM Ah, sorefingers ol' buddy. Bloviating as always. It may seem to you that Dr. Dean has never done a hard day's work, but did you get through Medical School? Internship? Residency? Your own medical practice? These things take more work in a year than GW has done in his life. Dean talks incessantly about the issues, but the News media rarely reports it. I have seen him live on more than one occasion, and also many times on C-Span. Rarely does he talk about anything other than issues. And as to your feeling that Dean did not behave well, are you referring perhaps to the scream video? If so, it might interest you to know that ABC actually ran a whole story apologizing for distorting that video so badly; in it, people from NBC and CNN also said the clip was distorted and overplayed. Too little, too late? Perhaps. Now, to anyone who cares about how this political stuff connects to Wal-Mart, here's how Dean handled the Wal-Mart issue: When it became inevitable that WalMart would move into Vermont, and they had planned their usual crush of giant suburban stores, Governor Dean flew to their headquarters in Arkansas to negotiate. He told them if they built their usual suburban megastores he and most Vermont communities would fight them tooth and nail. But if they built small stores in downtown areas, he would make it much easier for them. Now, rather than sucking business out of the town of Rutland, Wal-Mart was actually incorporated into the town's downtown revitalization plan. This is the kind of negotiation Dean kicks ass at. He would rather not have had WalMart at all, mainly because of their union-busting ways. But he also knew that negotiating in this case would be better for the people of Vermont than fighting and eventually losing. He played his cards while he still had a strong hand, and got people in Vermont low prices without a lot of the woes that WalMart usually brings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 08 Feb 04 - 02:23 AM Martin Gibson mentioned shopping at Wal Mart and having a really terrific experience. He then said: "Stilly River sage and Don Firth, why don't you learn something about life instead of calling someone a fool who might just have more of a handle on life than a narrow minded folksinger and his stooge." Sorry, MG. Shopping at Wal Mart does not mean you have a handle on life. It means you went out and bought ordinary (if not downright tacky) goods at the lowest possible price, and received the lowest possible quality in return. Doesn't sound like much of a "handle on life" to me -- it sounds distinctly low-class and second-rate. Some people don't mind that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Bill D Date: 08 Feb 04 - 10:15 AM more today on the practices basic to the way Wal-Mart works- Washington Post (I hope the link still works..WashPost is planning to require registrations soon..) here are a couple relevant paragraphs to give the flavor: "SHENZHEN, China -- Inside the factory, amid clattering machinery and clouds of sawdust, men without earplugs or protective goggles feed wood into screaming electric saws, making cabinets for stereo speakers. Women hunch over worktables, many hands bandaged and few covered by gloves, pressing transistors into circuit boards... A sign on the wall reminds them of their expendability in a nation with hundreds of millions of surplus workers: "If you don't work hard today, tomorrow you'll have to try hard to look for a job." ""The profit is really small," said Surely Huang, a factory engineer, speaking of the 350,000 stereos that Fenda agreed in March to supply to the retailer for $30 to $40 each. Huang said they sell for $50 in the United States. "We have to constantly cut costs to satisfy Wal-Mart." "Wal-Mart pressures the factory to cut its price, and the factory responds with longer hours or lower pay," said a Chinese labor official, who declined to be named for fear of punishment. "And the workers have no options." lots more...............There's your low prices, Martin and Clinton... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Feb 04 - 10:55 AM Bill, thanks for the link. I think the "registration" you mention is already in place--for many months now there has been a cookie in my computer so I don't have to go through the quick registration page there. It's free. When I clean out my cookies then I have to reset it. It's like I have with a couple of other papers I read every so often (New York Times, Chicago Sun-Times). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: tar_heel Date: 08 Feb 04 - 01:26 PM WALLY WORLD IS THE GREATEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Bill D Date: 08 Feb 04 - 11:19 PM ??? well, now THAT sure has me convinced, tar heel. I never heard it explained so clearly before... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 09 Feb 04 - 09:32 PM Guest, PDC You absolutely are wrong. Yep, I bought GE light bulbs, Tide detergent, some Pledge furniture polish, a brand name toothpaste, plus other similiar brand name products like Stanley tools and other brand name hardware and houseware products found in many stores. That's tacky? Are you such a snob that these products are not good enough for you, or a moron who goes out and buys the same identical quality and brand names and pays more for them? Check both, please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 09 Feb 04 - 11:05 PM Damn Good place in my opinion....they can make a profit...while saving the populace the membership-fees of the rich-kids stores. There must be VERY few people "making a living" from Wal-Mart.
<3>HOWVER<Most appear to be supplimenting their SocialSecurity StateRetiremnt, or ServicePension others are 22 hour a weekers adding to their husband's full-time trucker pay.
No Problem.....Chinese prices and Chinese wage.....we all win in the end.
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: dianavan Date: 14 Feb 04 - 03:52 AM guest MG: I never thought of myself as a "snob" but according to your criteria, maybe I am. I don't buy Tide, Pledge or brand name toothpaste. I support the local business people because I believe that healthy communities need small business and I enjoy shopping in an area where I meet my neighbors on the street. I find that big box stores and Malls give me a headache and low back pain. I also dread meeting people like you in the parking lot. I could never figure out where you were coming from. Maybe a teen-aged troll? Perhaps a tyrannical husband and father? Surely a biggot but for sure now I know your just another mall rat. A faceless creature hoping to find a bargain to sustain your need for instant gratification. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Greg F. Date: 09 Mar 04 - 12:11 PM County rolls back Wal-Mart gift Albany, NY-- In rebuke of retail giant's policies, lawmakers reject immunization grant By CATHY WOODRUFF, Staff writer, Times-Union First published: Tuesday, March 9, 2004 The Albany County Legislature threw back a $1,000 health care grant from the Wal-Mart Foundation on Monday, citing the discount retailer's widely criticized treatment of its workers. "We should send that $1,000 back to Wal-Mart, back to Arkansas, and tell them to give it to their employees for health insurance," said Legislator Gary Domalewicz, D-Albany. "We shouldn't help them enhance their corporate image." Several legislators echoed those sentiments, noting that the county already may be picking up the health care costs for Wal-Mart employees and their families during extended waiting periods for benefits, for families unable to afford health insurance, and for worker families receiving treatments not covered by the company's plan. "We'd wind up using the $1,000 to immunize the children of their employees who don't have benefits," said Legislator Alexander Gordon, D-Berne. Legislator Allen Maikels, D-Guilderland, said a state survey of Georgia's public health insurance program for children, released just last month, found that more than 10,000 of the children enrolled in the program had a parent working at Wal-Mart. Though Wal-Mart is the largest employer in Georgia, the number of its workers' children enrolled in the program was far more, per employee, than other large employers in the state, the survey found. "This is a company that has grown exponentially by not paying a living wage and not providing their employees with benefits," Maikels said. --- Rest of article here: http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=226765&category=ALBANY&BCCode=&newsdate=3/9/2004 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 09 Mar 04 - 04:34 PM dianavan No, none of what you mentioned. Wow, are you ever a name calling weirdo and accusatory because someone spends money at a big, box store and feels he is getting value. yeah, you are a snob, and a rebel with a stupid, foolish purpose. Go support the local stores if you want. Waste your money, not mine. So you don't buy Tide, Pledge, or a brand name toothpaste. Fuck those name brands, right? I'll bet you don't buy brand name tampons either. Old newspaper works just as good, right? Or buy a box of Tampax from the local store so they can gossip about when you have your period, or don't any longer. That makes you a better person of course. My, my are you rightous. Don't buy electricity or gas from the big conglomerate utility company either. Burn your own wood for electricity and eat beans to make your own gas. Uh Oh, here it comes. Start the man-bashing, woman-abusing thing. Wahhhhhhh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 09 Mar 04 - 04:48 PM Who was that masked man? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Don Firth Date: 09 Mar 04 - 04:59 PM (Oh shite! It's back!) Really hung up on bodily functions there, Marty? I would suggest that you get a clue, but you couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance. Do not despair, however. If you can't be a shining example of the human race, at least you can function as a horrible warning. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Boring Old Fart Date: 09 Mar 04 - 05:52 PM (Loudly applauds Mr Don Firth) - well said Sir |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Kim C Date: 09 Mar 04 - 05:56 PM Cracklin Oat Bran at Publix Grocery: $4.49 Cracklin Oat Bran at Wal Mart: $2.39 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Guest, Judah Date: 09 Mar 04 - 06:07 PM Hey Trollfingers, you hoo started this thread. You've at least made your position clear, but in saying that Walmart has watered the milk and induced colon cancer I believe you are simply lying. The big boxes ain't pretty, but they are one way in a free-market society to supply a lot of product to a burgeoning population who are having their jobs 'took' oversees. I have been to Arkansas and the caliber of people I found there were sufficiently higher than your implications. Many of them own Walmart stock. I'm sure you are happy with your K-Mart stock and your Martha Stewart kitchen towels! Paul Harvey says if you don't live near a Walmart, move! Good day! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Sell Maul Wart Buy Gold Date: 09 Mar 04 - 06:19 PM "Cracklin Dried ChickenShit and Bran at Wal Mart: $2.39" Naw they still put in chickenlitter into the boxed products to make up for the weigh of brand product removed.... for the novice to wholesailin - har har - chicken litter is chicken feed and chicken shit which is dried and reprocessed to make it tasteless then added - heretofore - to animal feeds. Nowadays the senior Maul Wart folks and their OSU friends have expensive tastes, sooo they have to pass the hat around the customers to see how stupid they are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Bill D Date: 09 Mar 04 - 06:21 PM interesting statistics in Forbes latest list of the world's billionares. It seems that 5 of the top 10 richest people ib the world are WalMart heirs! "If Sam Walton were alive today, he'd have twice as much money as Bill Gates." Make of that what you will....the $$$$ sure didn't go to high salaries for the workers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Bobert Date: 09 Mar 04 - 07:02 PM Boycott SatanMart! I wouldn't give these bullies/cheats/exploiters a penny of my money. They are the enemy. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Peace Date: 09 Mar 04 - 07:35 PM Would it be off topic to say I hope everyone has a nice day? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: dianavan Date: 09 Mar 04 - 11:20 PM Marty, Not everyone needs to consume as much as you. I do not buy gas. Sold my car. Electricity? yes. From the grid? occasionally. Heat? Wood, hot water and solar for water. Tampons. Never - they cause PID's Purpose? Conscience and future generations. Whats your purpose? You don't have to answer that. I know you are perfectly content to feed on chicken litter soaked in watered-down milk. Eat it up big boy! Why would I want to bash men? I only bash those that try to push me around. My daddy always told me not to start a fight but... he said, if anyone starts a fight with you, remember there are no rules. So, if you think I have bashed you, its probably because you deserve it. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 10 Mar 04 - 12:01 AM Right on, dianavan -- you said it all very well! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Walking Eagle Date: 10 Mar 04 - 05:30 PM I'm going to add some humor here, but what the heck no one will read it. Our local Wal-Mart, which I don't go to, has a big open three sided shed in the parking lot. Reason? We are in Amish counrty and the horses and buggies need protection! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,in agony - too funny Date: 10 Mar 04 - 05:58 PM Yeah but if they park the horse in the shed? would the horseshit be packed in with the chicken litter for later use,? or do they sell that as fertilizer? Oh no they couldn't, since it is company policy to salt everything with crap in case they might actualy give the customer what they asked for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Kim C Date: 11 Mar 04 - 11:26 AM The Land of Opportunity is a funny place. We want to protect Mom & Pop, but only as long as they stay Mom & Pop. When Mom & Pop work hard, run a tight ship, make a pile of money, and turn their enterprise into a chain, then they're the enemy. I don't get it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Greg F. Date: 11 Mar 04 - 01:32 PM Apparently not, Kim, so one more time: a state survey of Georgia's public health insurance program for children, released just last month, found that more than 10,000 of the children enrolled in the program had a parent working at Wal-Mart. Though Wal-Mart is the largest employer in Georgia, the number of its workers' children enrolled in the program was far more, per employee, than other large employers in the state, the survey found. "This is a company that has grown exponentially by not paying a living wage and not providing their employees with benefits," Maikels said." get it now? Best, Greg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Don Firth Date: 11 Mar 04 - 01:46 PM In short, the Georgia taxpayers are, in effect, subsidizing Wal-Mart. You wind up paying them money whether you shop there or not. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Kim C Date: 11 Mar 04 - 03:41 PM I understand the Why about Wal Mart - I was speaking a little more generally. Even if we took Wal Mart out of the picture, people would still be bitching about the Chain Stores, whether it's Kroger or Target or McDonald's or Starbucks. I have a friend who works at Wal Mart, and has for several years. I don't know how much she makes, but she isn't broke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,Martin gibson Date: 11 Mar 04 - 04:13 PM Don firth You are the one who should worry about bodily functions as you are so old and decrepit that you are lucky that you still have any. by the way, American spell it as "shit." As in, eat shit. dianavan, well aren't you Miss natural? You just don't go for all of life's modern conveniences do you? I'll bet you don't bathe, either. Why waste water, huh? guest, pdc Your hero is obviously a copy machine. guest,boring old fart: Everyone who knows you agrees with your self description I'm sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 11 Mar 04 - 04:39 PM Woohoo! Somebody needs to have his meds dosage upped! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Kim C Date: 11 Mar 04 - 05:08 PM Is it really necessary to be hateful? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,PigglyWiggly Date: 11 Mar 04 - 05:45 PM We told you so! Now you saved 25 cents, had to take back the cereal&chickenshit plus the watery milk, it cost you the gasoline, your time and your pride as well, not to mention higher taxes to subsidise the underpaid welfare drawing employees of the unmentionable entity across town. You can still come back, we love you even more now. C'mon back to real food, happy faces and lots o good Country Ham! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Peace Date: 11 Mar 04 - 06:19 PM I understand that Wal-mart will be coming to Canada soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Kim C Date: 11 Mar 04 - 06:28 PM Piggly, what the HELL are you talking about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Don Firth Date: 11 Mar 04 - 06:42 PM Well, Marty old buddy, at least I have my mental faculties. You're telling me to eat shit? You're recommending it then? Well, what can I say but "Congratulations!" I thought you were still having trouble differentiating it from Shinola. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: Greg F. Date: 11 Mar 04 - 06:49 PM Bruce: Take my advice. Arm yourselves & meet 'em at the border. They've ripped the guts out of the economy of the small community where I live; only folks making out are in the corporate HQ. The local MalWart boosters who worked to bring the store in have now figured out they made a mistake & say so- but its too damn late. There used to be a bumper sticker out there: WalMart: Your Source for Cheap, Plastic Junk Get yours today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 11 Mar 04 - 07:04 PM Brucie, et al, Wal-Mart has been in Canada for quite a while. There was a big scandal about 15(?) years ago, when they were opening a store in Vancouver, and wanted to have a gun department. They apparently weren't aware of the laws in the country in which they planned to operate! Just as in the States, Wal-Mart has been putting merchants out of business, particularly in smaller towns and cities. They build a strip mall just outside the town (cheaper taxes), plant themselves as the anchor business, and suddenly everyone in the town is shopping at the mall. I've been in a Wal-Mart store once -- there's one in my town. It's a funny, funny story -- I have a Mexican daughter-in-law whose parents are multi-millionaires. A few years ago when the parents were here for Christmas, we exchanged gifts with them. Mine was a cheap, tacky, shapeless shirt from Wal-Mart, which I returned after Christmas as it was too big and I didn't like it. The clerk started to ring up a refund of $10, but a supervisor said it had been on sale before Christmas, and was only worth $7.50. I washed the money, then gave it to charity! No, I don't like Wal-Mart. I wish people didn't focus only on money. If people are poor, I guess Wal-Mart is a good thing, but boy are they ever greedy and ruthless in their business dealings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: dianavan Date: 12 Mar 04 - 12:34 AM Wal Mart was stopped from building on Marine Drive in Vancouver. It was alot of work stopping them. Petitions and more petitions but it was done. We knew that it would be the death of the small communities north of them. As a result of stopping Wal Mart, we have thriving, innovative businesses owned mostly by young people. It is so much fun to shop here that it has actually become a destination point. Why give your money to the already rich? Why not spend a few pennies more to support small business entrepeneurs? Property values in our neighborhood have skyrocketed. Everyone wants to live here because we have a small town in a big city. It all boils down to you get what you pay for. If you think Wal Mart is going to save you money, think again. Its another form of false economy. The cost to the quality of life is enormous. Wal Marty - We have lots of water in Canada and I use it freely. I use soap, too, but not Ivory, Dial, or Irish Spring. I prefer homemade soap with vegetable oils and oatmeal. But for a real treat, I like good old Dr. Bonners. Its minty and tingly and nice. It must be hard for you to live in this world when your mind is tightly constrained by only that which is familiar and branded. It seems so safe, doesn't it. What will you do if the shit hits the fan? Your dependency is frightening. I guess you're not a risk taker and certainly have not attained any level of critical thinking skills. You are a living example of the functionally literate. Literate enough to become a good little consumer, dumb enough to believe the ads. I'll bet you even believe that if it wasn't good for you, the government wouldn't let them sell it. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: GUEST,pdc Date: 12 Mar 04 - 12:53 AM Hey, Dianavan, I didn't know about Wal-Mart and Marine Drive. I do know that I love going over to Vancouver and shopping in that area (I'm from Victoria). Two hands clapping to you all for keeping Wal-Mart out of your terrific, funky neighbourhood! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Maul Wart sucks even more now From: dianavan Date: 12 Mar 04 - 04:07 AM I never get tired of Main Street. It has been a great experience being a part of this community. The business owners are unique. They prefer to co-operate rather than compete. What a concept! Its an entirely friendly place and its in full bloom. Another odd but wonderful part of this community is that the "down and outers" are more than just tolerated. Every neighborhood has their "street guy". The "street guy(s)" do odd jobs, pick up your empty cans and bottles, and remove anything you leave in the lane (they seem to find a use for everything). They offer a form of protection because they are very territorial. They don't like strangers prowling about and if anything goes missing from the yard, they will find it for you. I often provide lunch for our street guy if he's around. The old lady across the street let him sleep in her carport when he was temporarily homeless. It is a community of mixed ages, incomes and many languages but everyone is accepted if not embraced. We have something very special here and its contagious. I hope you visit again and thanks - fighting Wal Mart was worth the effort. d |
