Word meaning -- budget

Subject: Word meaning -- budget
From:
Date: 23 Sep 98 - 09:00 AM

Martin Ryan wrote: Right! What about the word "budget" as in a song "The Tinker's Old Budget"? The meaning is easy enough to find - but the origin?

While I am unsure about the specific song to which you refer, as I could not find it in the DT, I will say this:

'budget' is descended from the French, 'bouge' for bag; formerly 'boulge' (from whence came 'bulge'), as in the leather pouch or sack used to hold money.

I will be happy to clarify if you'll kindly throw some relevant lyrics at me. =)

Subject: RE: Word meaning -- budget
From: Martin Ryan
Date: 23 Sep 98 - 10:07 AM

electra

Thanks! I knew the meaning alright but I was puzzled about the origin. Your comment confirms that in the original thread - where it is further noted that in Modern French, its regarded as of English origin!

Regards

Subject: RE: Word meaning -- budget
From: Picard
Date: 23 Sep 98 - 05:27 PM

Few words made it back and forth French-English-French , another exemple is the word " paquebot" from the English " packet-boat " itself from the French word "paquet " . The older the song ,more one may find this kind of thing . Sea shanteys ( chantez ? ) are also interesting . I like the ones with verses in one linguage and the chorus in another.

Subject: RE: Word meaning -- budget
From:
Date: 23 Sep 98 - 05:51 PM

From the Latin "bulga", meaning "bag."

Subject: RE: Word meaning -- budget
From: Ted from Australia
Date: 23 Sep 98 - 08:34 PM

So where does that leave the line
" Here's my bag and my budget , I give them to you"
From "Sheep Crook and Black Dog" Steeleye Span, 'Below the Salt"?
I deduced that in this context budget= money

Regards Ted

Subject: RE: Word meaning -- budget
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 24 Sep 98 - 07:14 AM

G'day,
A bit of traditional tautology?

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Word meaning -- budget
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 24 Sep 98 - 10:04 AM

Ted: My guess would be that the line translates "Here's my bag (satchel, pack) and my purse (meaning, of course, money). . . ." Thanks to the reign of French as the quasi-official national language of England for a couple of centuries following the Norman Conquestm a great many words from Medieval French entered the English language. It's likely that the anglicized form "budget" was one of these, and that it (re-)entered the French at a later date in its English spelling, and was considered a borrowing because it was no longer of recognizable etymology or derivation.

Subject: RE: Word meaning -- budget
From: Ted from Australia
Date: 25 Sep 98 - 07:44 AM

Bill
to quote Mr Data (Star Trek New Generation)
"Was not that what I said captain?" :-)
Regards Ted