BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left

Subject: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 08:40 PM

Here is a fine column from 2/25/04 by George Will.
More an more Jews unfortunately are realizing the shift in anti-semitism from right to left.

If the blue click thing doesn't work, please cut & paste and read this relevant article.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/will/cst-edt-geo25.html

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Peace
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 08:49 PM

http://www.suntimes.com/output/will/cst-edt-geo25.html


Which article, MG?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 08:57 PM

Brucie, Thanks for doing the link right. I tested it and it goes to where I wanted it, the article titled:

"Gibson's movie should be least of Jews' worries"

Thanks, again.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 09:39 PM

Hmmmmm, no reactions yet.

George Will is one of the most respected journalists there is.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: dianavan
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 11:20 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 11:31 PM

I have to admit. There is much truth to the article.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Nerd
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 02:56 AM

Yes, the right wing currently has an unholy alliance with Zionists, because in Christian fundamentalist belief Israel must be in Jewish hands for the prophecy of Revelation to be fulfilled. In other words, Right-Wing Fundamentalist Christians believe they must defend the Jews' right to Israel so that the rapture can occur and the Jews can go to Hell. Meanwhile, the Zionists don't believe in the Christian prophecy, so they maintain the alliance which is in their immediate interest.

But don't fool yourself. It doesn't make the right wing any less anti-semitic.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 04:32 AM

That's an interesting article though there are some arguments or formulations I do not agree with. Two examples:

(1) A formulation: The choice of the word 'migration' (from the right to the left) is very unfortunate. Something that migrates leaves the old place. 'Spreading' is a much better word. The left in several countries adopts anti-semitism but the right doesn't give it up.

(2) The argument anti-semitism = anti-zionism is put in such a blunt way that the author of the article cab be read as meaning that any criticism of Israel's politics could be seen as anti-semitism. I do not believe the author means that but he comes dangerously close to this type of argumentation.

The examples in the article are cleverly selected to bolster the intended impression.

However, the main argument sadly is true: Anti-semitism, disguised, unintentional, or even open, has become acceptable in the more extreme parts of the (European) left. I restrict myself to this continent, for I do not know enough about others.

We had at least two other threads about that theme, one for instance starting from an article by Pilar Rahola (easy to find in a search if you care).

In several European countries with sizable Arab minorities (France, in particular) physical attacks on Jews by Arabs are increasing. The Arabs in these countries are, let there be no doubt about it, on the lowest steps of the social ladder, exploited by the white majority, with little chance to get a job with a decent wage or a job at all, with little acceptance of their different culture. The left as usual, good on them, stand by the underpriviledged people with a different culture. The underpriviledge take their rage and fury, the origions of which are understandable, towards another small minority, though mostly not underpriviledged, and try to win a war in the host country which they consider they lose in their countries of origin. The left, apprehensive of the origins of the rage, go too far in endorsing the ways in which very few Arabs living in Europe find an outlet for their feelings.

Being on the side of the underpriviledged and against the oppressors it seems now natural to support the fight against Israel. Some easily forget that a small minority in a large region (Jews) once has been supported by the left in their fight for separation and independence.

In Germany, open anti-semitism is still restricted to the right (for bad historical reasons). When e chairman of the Greens once made anti-semitic remarks he had to resign within a few days. But, on the other hand, this very man is the only Green candidate to win his constituency (the others come into the parliament by proportional representation). So, at least, anti-semitic remarks don't make a left candidate uneligible.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 03:18 PM

You're welcome, MG. Thanks for the lead to the article. A few years back, I recall reading an article published by the Wiesenthal Centre for Holocaust Studies in which video 'games' available on the internet allowed one to run an extermination camp. You could choose the people you put in the camp (Jew, Muslim, Turk, etc) and the purpose of the 'game' was to kill off the quota as inexpensively as possible. I remember that the 'game' was popular amongst youth in some European countries. I imagine the White Supremist groups have their equivalent. There are some very sick puppies out there.

Bruce M

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Strick
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 11:17 PM

"In other words, Right-Wing Fundamentalist Christians believe they must defend the Jews' right to Israel so that the rapture can occur and the Jews can go to Hell."

Bless you, Nerd but I have to disagree. In the words of a deeply fundamentalist friend, "the Jews have their deal with God, we have ours". I know not everyone agrees, but it's scripturally based:

Romans 11:25-29

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
   "The deliverer will come from Zion;
       he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
    And this is my covenant with them
       when I take away their sins."
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.

(italics added)

Not trying to convert anyone, just pointing out that a good number of fundamentalists (not that I'm one) firmly support Israel because they believe they're on the same side.

It's sad that for once people are trying to get along rather than kill each other and we can't be pleased with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 02:52 PM

Wow, bible spouting, just like on cable TV.

Sheesh!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Strick
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 04:26 PM

Sometimes you have to beat them at their own game.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: michaelr
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 07:33 PM

"George Will is one of the most respected journalists there is."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Sam L
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 09:23 PM

George Will is a pretty darned good conservative journalist, given extra credit maybe because there are so many popular put-on hacks in the field. But he's not so bad as a many others. Backed into a corner he merely throws up his hands and wonders why we are evil, but at some point we all do--except for some liberal hacks who think one day we will all be much better people if we just keep mouthing the right platitudes. He's better than that, at least.

   I do think there is a trend wherein it's cool and free-thinking to criticize Israel. Because compare them to other countries, right?But compared to a lot of other countries it seems on balance that they are being specially singled out for this brand of "fairness." Some of my Jewish friends criticize the living crap out of Israel, but they've been there, recently, and know much more about it than I do.

I don't know that the good of this country could have been achieved without the bad that was part of the same damn deal. Do you?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Sam L
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 11:54 PM

The above was before reading the column, not that I disown it.
   Boy it goes quickly from Europe to America then from (sometimes) trendy criticism of Israel to Hitler and exterminating people. Look! it's a bird! it's a plane! no it's a dweeby guy in a bow tie and a cape making lots of absurd over-reaching leaps in a single bound. Too quick for me, it's like reading soup. A nasty one with weird crap thrown in to make it seem "gourmet." Maybe he's reduced to this gunk because he's as aware as anyone that the conservative president and candidate is an incompetent disaster.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 03:06 AM

I do think there is a trend wherein it's cool and free-thinking to criticize Israel. Because compare them to other countries, right?But compared to a lot of other countries it seems on balance that they are being specially singled out for this brand of "fairness."

I disagree. South Africa was criticized just as much. More so, I'd say, because when we criticized South Africa, we didn't raked through the coals for doing so.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Nerd
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 03:09 AM

Strick, the problem with using Romans 11 in that way is that Romans 11 says that all men have been made disobedient by God, so that he may have mercy on them all. In other words, according to Romans 11, everyone will be saved.

But most fundamentalist Christians do not believe this. They do not believe that Jews will automatically be saved. They believe that Jews will, in fact, go to Hell unless they convert to Christianity.

I can't speak for your friend, and fundamentalist Christianity is not monolithic, but certainly "accepting Jesus Christ" is essential for salvation to MOST fundamentalist Christians. Inasmuch as Jews do not accept Jesus, they are destined not to be saved.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Strick
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 11:49 AM

Sorry, don't mean to have a theological debate here. Much truth in what you say given the tension between Romans and John 3:16. Some even think other Christians are going to hell. They do remember what Isiah, Jeremiah, the minor Prophets and Revelation say about the Remnant. Since they can't tell who will or will not eventually be "saved", they have to respect them as human beings. No one I know is blithely sitting around waiting for everyone else to die and go to hell. Only the most annoying go around trying to convert everyone.

Even the most hardcore know that the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah. They know that it isn't important that you consider this His first or second visit, only that you accept Him when He comes.

Now if you're from my tradition, Romans 11 opens up a lot of interesting possiblilities, particularly if you know that God, while keeping His promises, still gets to do what He pleases. Over the centuries it's the people who try to put God in a box and wrap Him up with a bow that usually get the bigest surprises.

Sorry for the sermonette. I know this isn't the place for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: kendall
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 11:58 AM

George Will is so far out in right field that I can't hear what he is saying.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Strick
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 12:00 PM

But he does love baseball.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Frankham
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 12:20 PM

Anti-semitism is not the same thing as criticism of Israel's policies. I am an American and am critical of many of my country's policies but that doesn't make me an anti-American except in the mind of narrow bigots.

I would imagine that there are quite a number of Israeli's who are critical of the Sharon regime. I know that they are often "refusniks" and put in jail.

George Will can write fairly well and purports to have a modicum of persuasion in his arguments. He is opinionated, however, and reflects a Right-wing point of view. That's why he is on the op-ed columns and not to be taken as the final word on anything. In short, it's spin.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Sam L
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 06:35 PM

Well CarolC you may disagree, but the example of South Africa doesn't address my opinion about "a lot of other countries, on balance". It only addresses the "compared to other countries" that I pointed out. I'm sorry if you were raked over the coals for your opinion, and I don't mean to imply that yours is trendy, but I think I do see a bit of a trend.

   Will's column roller-paints a big hunk of the world as Euro-loony and anti-semitic, and is so busy with it he doesn't have time to express an opinion about Israel. Hunh. Without saying whether he does or doesn't think there's grounds for legitimate criticism of Israel, his mush of accusation seems pretty darned cowardly. The possibility that a current trend of criticism might be sympathetic to that of many American Zionists themselves doesn't seem to occur to him, and yet my friend Seth despises Sharon, and only returned from studying in Israel because of his father's health.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 07:29 PM

I guess I don't understand your point then, Fred, about "a lot of other countries, on balance". I can only speak for my own reasons for doing things, but when it comes to criticizing countries, Israel, and South Africa and the US South during aparthied, all have received similar criticisms from me at one point or another. Other countries get criticized by me for different reasons. I criticize the US about as much as I do Israel. South Africa is no longer problematic in the ways that it used to be, so I don't tend to focus on that so much.

Most of the other countries I might criticize are being made more problematic than they might otherwise be because of interference from the US, so I would like to see what happens in those coutries without our interference before I form any solid opinions about how they do things.

I find myself agreeing with your second paragraph in your 28 Feb 04 - 06:35 PM post. But that's hardly surprising. I've never had much use for the "opinions" of Mr. Will.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Sam L
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 08:06 PM

CarolC my point just isn't directed at you and your opinions in particular. Maybe that's the part you miss? It's quite facile to compare a thing to a few other things, yet it may still seem that some come up much more often than others that might also. It is a trend when British military provides a large share of villians and buffoons in movies. Or when the bad guys tend to be either Europeans or Dennis Hopper. Noticing a trend may feel unflattering to someone who'd rather not think so, but it's really a separate question from whether particular criticisms are valid or not.

George Will is pretty good at criticising Bush from a conservative point of view, and as often as he alienates me out with his perspective, I try to look at other points of view. What kind of liberal would I be if I didn't?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 09:36 PM

I didn't think your point was directed at me, Fred. Maybe I'm not getting your point just because my perceptions of things are very different from yours. I've been hearing way more criticisms from the vast majority of people in the US about Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians, the French, "old Europe", and on occasion, even Canada, in the last couple of years than I have of Israel. If I were to try to establish the presence of any trends as far as criticism is concerned, Israel most certainly wouldn't be at the top of the list of countries or peoples who are getting the most criticism.

I saw an action movie recently that was made not too long after 9/11. The bad guys in the movie were a French man and a bunch of Muslims and Arabs. Most of the bad guys in movies these days are Arabs, Muslims, and the Russian Mafia. So in popular culture, Israel isn't even on the radar screen for criticsm or bad guy status.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 09:51 PM

ZEN JUDAISM

If you wish to know The Way, don't ask for directions. Argue.

Take only what is given. Own nothing but your robes and an alms bowl. Unless, of course, you have the closet space.

Let your mind be as a floating cloud. Let your stillness be as the wooded glen. And sit up straight. You'll never meet the Buddha with posture like that.

There is no escaping karma. In a previous life you never called, you never wrote, you never visited. And whose fault was that?

Wherever you go, there you are. Your luggage is another story.

To practice Zen and the art of Jewish motorcycle maintenance, do the following: Get rid of the motorcycle. What were you thinking?

Be aware of your body. Be aware of your perceptions. Keep in mind that not every physical sensation is a symptom of a terminal illness. If there is no self, whose arthritis is this?

Breathe in. Breathe out. Breathe in. Breathe out. Forget this and attaining Enlightenment will be the least of your problems.

The Tao has no expectations. The Tao demands nothing of others. The Tao does not speak. The Tao does not blame. The Tao does not take sides. The Tao is not Jewish.

Drink tea and nourish life. With the first sip, joy. With the second, satisfaction. With the third, Danish.

The Buddha taught that one should practice loving kindness to all sentient beings. Still, would it kill you to find a nice sentient being who happens to be Jewish?

Be patient and achieve all things. Be impatient and achieve all things faster.

In nature, there is no good or bad, better or worse. The wind may blow or not. The flowering branch grows long or short. Do not judge or prefer. Ask only, "Can I get this wholesale?"

To Find the Buddha, look within. Deep inside you are ten thousand flowers. Each flower blossoms ten thousand times. Each blossom has ten thousand petals. You might want to see a specialist.

Be here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so complicated?

Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkes.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Sam L
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 10:34 PM

Right CarolC. It's not even on the radar screen. Except among liberal intellectuals, which is what the subject of this thread is clearly about. Not about people who are eating Freedom Fries or action movies exploiting 9/11,or popular culture generally. No, I don't expect to see a Zionist villian in a theatre near me this or next month. Maybe being raked over the coals has disposed you to want to miss the obvious, but the subject is still a trend among liberal intellectuals, not Everybody. You seem annoyed by the idea that I've heard other people than you criticising Israel. Sorry I think I have, I'm probably mistaken. I live in the Ohio River Valley, and now that I think of it when I thought they said "Zionist" they were probably talking about their "sinuses", which is a common complaint. So, my mistake. Never mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 01:06 AM

I guess I'm over my head in this discussion. I don't hang out with any "liberal intellectuals" so I don't know what kinds of things they talk about. My mistake.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 10:43 AM

When people do stupid stuff they will try to rationalize it with some verse or story from their respective religions.

But stupid stuff usually comes to taking other folks stuff. This ain't sanctioned by any major religon that I am aware of but it continues.

Follow the bucks!

And give Faith and religion danged break...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 11:41 AM

Sorry for the sermonette. I know this isn't the place for it.{

Sure it is (the place for it, that is). There's no restriction "below the line". You might have to put up with irrationally angry responses to it, but this is the place for it.

Liberalism and anti-religious rationalism are the majority here but that's more by default than design. Most "communities" become a bit incestuous in their thinking and this place is no exception -- but just because you will be despised for your POV doesn't mean that you cannot express it here.

Might even be a breath of fresh air (as your presence has been) to have someone so polite AND knowledgeble AND possessing of a different POV than the majority here.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 01:21 PM

Kendall: get a hearing aid! :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 01:52 PM

I saw an action movie recently that was made not too long after 9/11. The bad guys in the movie were a French man and a bunch of Muslims and Arabs. Most of the bad guys in movies these days are Arabs, Muslims, and the Russian Mafia. So in popular culture, Israel isn't even on the radar screen for criticsm or bad guy status.

That's because we know who owns Hollywood and controls the media.

Not everyone is as rich as Mel Gibson and can afford to bypass the owners and controllers to tell the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Peace
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 02:55 PM

"That's because we know who owns Hollywood and controls the media."

Maybe your half of we knows, but this half doesn't. Who?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Nerd
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 03:54 PM

Brucie, it's an international conspiracy of Jewish bankers and communists. At least that's what they used to say back in the 1930s.

Why would Jewish bankers team up with Communists? No one seemed able to answer that one.

Strick, I for one enjoyed the sermonette. Interesting stuff!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Peace
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 04:22 PM

Thank you, Nerd. I'm a little slow at times.

So, let me see if I understand you, GUEST. You don't like Jews because they are part of a conspiracy to do what? Go to synagogues? So if I read you correctly, you don't like Israel because you don't like Jewish people? So, in short, you are a racist. Well, I'm not.

Geh cocken offen yom, then have a nice day.

Bruce Murdoch

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 05:08 PM

Guest, 29 Feb 04 - 01:52 PM, if what you're after is to spread hate, please don't use my words to help you do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Strick
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 07:01 PM

I for one throughly enjoyed "ZEN JUDAISM".

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 07:33 PM

Zen Judaism is bullshit. There's even less of those knuckleheads then there are Jews for Jesus.

Kendall, George Will is so far in right field that you can't hear him? Maybe you are too far in left field.

The truth is amongst the Jewish community, of which I truly am an active member,is that there is a growing undertone of anti-semitism on college campuses. I think that is related to this article.

Please do not compare George Will's conservative approach to the likes of Rush Limbough or Sean Hannity. You can say he is wrong and not know what he is talking about, I believe he does. MichaelR may laugb that he is not repsected as a journalist, but no one here or anywhere reads anything by MichaelR.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Strick
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 07:35 PM

"The Buddha taught that one should practice loving kindness to all sentient beings. Still, would it kill you to find a nice sentient being who happens to be Jewish?"

Gee, and I thought it was just for comic relief, like the "ZEN BUBBA" thing that's been circulating.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 07:48 PM

If you say so.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Strick
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 08:26 PM

"Drink tea and nourish life. With the first sip, joy. With the second,
satisfaction. With the third, Danish."

Well I could be wrong, but my study of Zen or Buddhism never once turned up a reference to Danish.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST,freda
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 08:29 PM

yes, there is a growing tide of antisemitism, particularly since the war in Iraq.

but that antisemitism seems spread through a lot of communities, left and right.

to suggest that criticism of the current government in israel is antisemitism, is a generalised attack on the right to political comment. it projects negative motives on political opponents.

it implies, you can only comment legitimately where you agree with me.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 10:21 PM

The shift though has been from the right to the left.

Now it's the downtrodden Palestinians who the liberal left has aligned with. More and more Jews who did align with the left now, like me, tend to sit on the fence in a moderate approach to it all.

The common sense approach is that neither an extreme right or extreme left stance will get you anywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Sam L
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 11:43 PM

Sure, I admit to knowing some liberal intellectuals CarolC. Quite a few more if you use the term "intellectuals" very loosely. I know it's uncomfortable to have one's views vaguely associated with a trend, but get over it. Or don't, and deny that you've ever noticed any such thing as a liberal, or a liberal intellectual. Oh, you already did, okay. I think I've heard of it, though. There's where we disagree, apparently.

I've heard all kinds of things. I've heard people say they wouldn't watch Seinfeld because it was Jewish propaganda. I've heard people ask if Rosh Hashanah was the Jewish "Easter". (Yes, I said, it is, and Tupac Shakur is the Jewish St. Patrick.)

   As for Hollywood I think there's a lot of truth that Jewish people have made big contributions to it. One reason is that Jews were able to get into the business when nobody else saw the potential of it, and another is that Jews have had to have a portable sense of of culture, and could tell cultural stories, when other people couldn't see there were cultural stories to be told. (They just thought things were the way they were.) People can call it a conspiracy if they want, but I usually call it people being who they are, doing their work.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 12:10 AM

I'm not arguing with you Fred, or doubting that you've experienced what you say you have. I'm just saying that I'm not in a position to participate in this discussion based on my own experiences, since I have not had that experience myself. I live in rural Alabama. Care to guess how many "liberal intellectuals" there are in the trailer park (across from Fort Benning military reservation) where I live?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Peace
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 12:13 AM

Can that be done on the fingers of one hand, or do I just use my elbow?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Strick
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 12:16 AM

Oh, oh, oh, (raising hand). I know! I know! Two, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 12:28 AM

I don't know, brucie. I haven't met any here myself.

Strick, JtS isn't a liberal. He's a conservative. And I'm not willing to put myself into any categories, since I find that my views about things tend to be all over the spectrum. Sorry to disappoint ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: bazza
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 03:25 AM

As soon as its mentioned that the Jews run Hollywood the media and banking etc somebody comes up with the racist card,the fact is that they do.They are a vey clever race and have a natuaral apptitude for making money caused I think by christian belief that forbade usary and the Jews filled the gap also the Rabbi,s married thus passing on there knowledge to there children etc where the Christians kept the flock in ignorance and only a few priest had any education.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Strick
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 09:26 AM

Even if what you say is true, Carol, he's a Canadian Conservative which puts him two shades to the left of me and John Hardly has called ME a liberal.