Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Club

Subject: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 07:26 AM

Serious Kitchen will be appearing at the Waltham Abbey Folk Club on Monday 1st March 2004. The club meets at the Royal British Legion, Brooker Road, Waltham Abbey (not far off Juction 26 of the M25).

All singers, poets, musicians and audience are warmly welcomed.

Enquiries: Lynne Heraud 01920 870558.

Lynne Heraud

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: The Unicorn Man
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 10:16 AM

Ah good hello, how about putting the rest of Marches line up on here then we will know what is going on until the next Unicorn is out. See you soon.

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: GUEST, helpful Hamish
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 10:25 AM

Martin: it's here

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: breezy
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 11:40 AM

Mike Nicolson is the best offer, cant take too much instrumental, tends to become boring, guess I prefer words with my tunes that way each time I hear the tune its usually got different words.

I heard 2 S K s at Herga and they did 2 sets of tunes that sounded the same and all the singers got brassed off cos they took so long.

Wish these instrumentalists would include songs and punctuate them with instrumentals and not the other way around or play with singers.

Folk Music is for dancing to, not sitting and listening.


mmmm better get down from off this box, there could be flak flying

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 01:57 PM

There should be lots of room to dance at Waltham Abbey, and I'm sure Serious Kitchen would be pleased if people want to take the opportunity.

Tastes diffeer, breezy. My taste says this is a pretty good band.

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: The Unicorn Man
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 02:31 PM

Cheers Hamish. Have a nice night tonight. Sorry I missed you on both nights. Should see you on Monday at the super Chesham FC. If you are there that is.

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 02:59 PM

I refute Breezy's aspersions on Jon and Vicky's playing - I wasn't brassed off at all, and it was nice to hear Scottish smallpipes for a change, although the fact that they turned up on a guest night did reduce the time available for floor singers. The full SK includes Nick Hennessy - good singer, great harpist and magical storyteller, who has been booked at Herga and gave us a thoroughly enjoyable evening. Plus, Herga ia a welcoming club which could do with fresh injections of talent from time to time, and doesn't need curmudgeons like Breezy discouraging them! (*G*!)

Kitty

PS Sorry Lynne, but it's the Herga's 41st birthday party on 1 March.

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: kitchen piper
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 05:08 AM

Hi!
Thanks for your words of encouragement! Thank you for putting up for us Kitty! Actually we had phoned up the club in advance to arrange us playing, so if we really had been that unwelcome they could have turned us down!

Jonny and I don't sing, other than backing, although we do both wish that we could! We hope that there is space for both singers and instrumentalists in clubs and would like to thank the Herga for allowing us to play for them!

:-))
Vicki

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: tartan babe
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 05:23 AM

OMG!!!
Folk Music is for dancing to, not sitting and listening.
May whole reams of muscians would pelt you with tomatoes for that. For a start if you're not listening to it how could you dance to it? Secondly (and I could go on all night here) should you not be able to dance to songs? I personally love a good ballad, but what I hear a lot of the time is some boring old dirge. It takes a lot more than the lyrics to keep my attention and at least you generally find that musicians try to craft their work.

This really shows up the gulf in attitude between between some people. Some singing artists do craft their songs and think carefully about alternative chords for different choruses, then they take this to a club who all bellow out their own contrapuntal lines bulldozing out the careful, thoughtful harmonies. How do you think they feel?

Hmmm, I think this was a bit of pent up feeling for seeing artists singing on stage and struggling against the mob. I'll get off my soap box now!

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: breezy
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 02:22 PM

I'm a curmudgeon folks.

I have instrumentalists at my club.

Paley and Hunter are two of the finest, see how they do on Friday 12th march at the Duke of Marlboro

Pint and Dale do a good job hurdy -gurdy, fiddle.

I know, I'm the only person who cant take more than 1 set of 3 x 2 tunes at a time even if you change instruments

We had a player in Watford who would play one tune twice and that was it, I liked his approach ,left you wanting more. In fact he sometimes only played it once.When asked why he replied 'I think its rude to play for a longer time than what it would take for an average song to be sung'

If you think some thing is a dirge its probably the performer not putting it across or you just aint listening, or it maybe that with tunes it doesnt require the same level of concentration, in fact as a listener apart form clapping hands theres not much to do 'cept tap feet, hey thats topical tapping.

If Singingsm is opposed[apposite] to Instrumentalism, whats talkingsm apposite to ??

Me, I could listen to Kitty all night.

curmudgeon the II

breezy=wind up

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: GUEST,Dave of Mawkin
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 03:19 PM

Vicki and Jonny rock, how can you possibly get bored when you listen to them? Even if the music isnt to your choice surely you can sit up and be amazed by the speed of Vicki's fingers or the excitement of jonnys playing. I understand people have different tastes,but as you said breezy, music is for dancing to, so get up and dance!

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: GUEST,harlowpoet
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 03:41 PM

Nice to see a bit of healthy debate on our club thread. Keep it coming.

We also welcome step dancers at Waltham Abbey

Simon

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 03:42 PM

Dave,

I *THINK* Breezy is sort of trying to have a laugh. At least, I hope so. That's what I assumed about his otherwise totally preposterous post in the 'Role of Folk Clubs Today' thread.

Serious Kitchen are frighteningly good. You going?

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: treewind
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 03:42 PM

By the way, that Web page is broken. There are <STYLE=...> elements which I am sure are supposed to b <P STYLE=...> and on my usual browser it leaves most of the page blank.

I'll email the webmaster...

Anahata

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Clu
From: breezy
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 08:35 PM

They didnt do any 'showmanship' that night.

laugh , what me? I'm always serious.

I must compliment Sav Malbarski on his set of 3 tunes on the whistle tonight in Barton , this guy is really nifty, 3 mins max and the tunes were gud uns.

His forte is the flute , his voice carrys a song well and he's written some worthwhile songs

was it an overton whistle, cos I saw Phlardy on Thurs?

Dont comment on his guitar though.


Spotlight Sunday in St Albans, starts at 8 at the Legion, floor spots on a 1st come basis
Legion like in W Abbey

mike sparks on Friday at the Duke of Marlboro in St Albans

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Club
From: JonnyDyer
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 02:12 PM

(Jonny from SK in case you didn't know). sorry for this ramble ....

Well ..... nice to walk into a friendly folk community and find someone slating you! ah well .... you can't please everyone all the time....... and nor do I want to.

I enjoyed Herga .... from the curry downstairs in the pub (now there's a great symbiosis!) through the other floor spots - to the reason we were there - Cloudstreet.

Cloudstreet were excellent as always ... though I felt a little sorry for them at times. Some of their songs have great choruses perfect for singing .... and boy did herga sing .... a magical sound. However .... there are other songs where the choruses change each time depending on the context of the story and the development of the music themes. It was a shame that some of the audience were so intent on their participative pleasure that they didn't listen to Nicole and John .... thus squashing all their craftmanship with sheer volume.

I had a long discussion with my dad once.... he hated my teenage funk-fusion music complaining it was all the same .... whilst I hated his choice of opera for the same reason. We eventually agreed that music tends to sound the same whenever you make no attempt to listen to what's actually going on (for what ever reason). I now enjoy a bit of Puccini and dad can tolerate some Jazz sub-denominations .... both by making an attempt to be more tolerant to what we are listening to. ... and having respect for the artists who are trying to present their own message in their own way.

However ..... Breezy has a point. Herga is a song club! (it says so on the website and everything) ...... so I guess they don't really want to hear 4 minutes of just tunes.   We probably shouldn't have offered to do a floor spot - and read the small print first. It just seemed a nice idea seeing as we were going to see Cloudstreet anyway. (We also didn't need to provide any "showmanship" because we were floor spotting - we paid the same as everyone ... lol).


I probably wouldn't go to Herga again .... I'm much more interested in tunes than words (mostly because I cannot sing for toffee) ... and there are plenty of clubs across the country that cater for the whole spectrum of folk music.

Which brings to my point.

I don't think Breezy is curmudgeonly ... he is only making a point about his taste in music. It raises a serious issue about the fragmentation of folk music. We are all lumped together by other music genres and even by ourselves ...... yet in reality, there are massive cultural differences between song based folkies and tune based folkies.

I wont get on my heritage soap box here .... but suffice to say .... folk music has never truly existed before .... its never needed to be defined before and its philogenesis means that it is a catchall for all music played by anyone at anytime. I'm pleased that Breezy knows what music he likes ... and hopefully he will be instrumental (bad choice of word?) in keeping the songs he likes alive. Meantime I'll concentrate on the tunes. just so long as no-one else thinks that either of us represent "folk" as a whole ..... we are both part of it.

Off to bed now ..... safe in the knowledge that someone likes us (kitty? dave?) and that I have a higher boredom threshold than Breezy!

Cheers

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Club
From: GUEST,harlowpoet
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 03:04 PM

Jonny

Our club thinks you're good.
Two of you did a floor spot about three years back which I still remember.

Looking forward to a good evening tomorrow.

Simon

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Club
From: Bassic
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 10:37 PM

I love your music SK.

I am a very very famous and influential folk type person who has been watching this stuff for years (at least 3 and a half!) and so my opinion is very very important and every one should listen to me cos I say so.

Ok, so that is a joke, but as you both know, I have put in a fair amount of time around Scottish Small pipers (and I have also "had a go") so I think I do have enough knowlege to know when I am hearing real tallent! More power to your elbow!! ;-)


Next week I will be mostly talking about










singers! :-)

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Club
From: Bassic
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 11:02 PM

PM for Vicky

Was that ok? You can send the free CD to me here at home........sorry Jonny........I dont know nowt about guitarists so I couldnt say anything really.......you might be crap for all I know!! Try asking j0hn from Hull......you remember him....in Whitby? He was the guy in the hat that time we was having a cup of coffee in the Spa caffee....you remember? He knows lots of people who play guitars and can always use a few extra quid.

Aparently there are some people that also do heckling at folk clubs..........things like............"go on then....play Riverdance!!"......and "do field of Athensomwhere or other"..........and............ "what time is the disco comming on"....would that be any good?

Let me know if you want them........I think they live in Worthing but they might be persuadad to NW London for the promise of a few pints;-)















oh boy am I in trouble now!!

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Club
From: GUEST,Lynne Heraud
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 04:40 AM

I'm delighted that the Waltham Abbey Folk Club audience decided to ignore John Breeze's rude comments about Vicky Swan and Jonny Dyer (two thirds of Serious Kitchen).

We had an excellent and VARIED (Yes Breezy, VARIED) evening. They clearly have a good fan base and are booked at no less than 15 festivals this year, as well as doing 'proper' jobs.

It just goes to prove that you should never rely on anyone else's opinion - go and see for yourself.

Singaround next week at Waltham Abbey Folk Club. Singers, Poets AND Musicians warmly welcomed.

Lynne Heraud

Subject: RE: Serious Kitchen - Waltham Abbey Folk Club
From: breezy
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 05:45 AM

I wasnt rude, just stating an opinion and opening up lines for discussion.

If I did offend I am truly sorry and crave forgiveness.

See you all around soon.

Mike Sparks on Friday in St Albans at the Duke of M

btw we had a fiddle floor spot last friday,


so thats that for a year.