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Subject: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST Date: 14 Mar 04 - 09:20 AM I don't know what anybody elses thoughts are, but I listen to Mike Harding's folk programme every Wednesday, and am getting more and more sick of hearing American artists superseding our own. We have fantastic new up and coming artists such as Míse, a fantastic young Irish band (excellent CD), and young Harriet Bartlett who even Phil Cunningham is promoting by producing her first CD (an excellent on at that - and at the tender age of 16). I've heard Harriet's CD played on the Andy Kershaw show on Radio 3, but never on Mike Harding's show, and haven't heard Míse's at all. Come on, what are we doing in this country? We should be supporting our young artists... it's hard work, or are we just sucking up to the American's again. Perhaps it's the Tony Blair folk programme.. I'd be interested to know other people's thoughts on this. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: TasKiNG Date: 14 Mar 04 - 09:33 AM I totally agree. Looking around the net you find loads of great new folk / acoustic music that never gets any air play. I have stopped listening to mike hardings show as the american stuff just does'nt interest me. }:-> |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,perplexed Date: 14 Mar 04 - 09:35 AM What about the new "middle aged" talents? |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: The Borchester Echo Date: 14 Mar 04 - 09:49 AM A predominance of American AND Irish, I'd say together with MOR mainstream stuff you can hear anytime elswhere in the schedules. Not that I've anything against a lot of this as such, only that it's promoted at the expense of our own traditional inheritance. You're right, Guest, the Andy Kershaw programme on Sunday evenings (and Late Junction on Monday to Thursday) - both R3 - are far more likely places to hear up-and-coming artists than on the sole hour supposedly dedicated to 'Folk Roots & Acoustic' music on R2 on Wednesdays. It's an issue that erupts into acrimony time and time again over on the BBC R2 site. Smooth Operations, the production company that puts together the MH show on behalf of the BBC, make the excuse that they have a 'remit' to draw in the casual listener which sounds like a lazy excuse for dumbing down to me. The R3 site however has recently discussed the possibility of a R3 Extra network which, although world music-based on the lines of the existing evening sequences, would obviously be able to devote much more airtime to home-based musicians. It won't happen if you don't lobby hard for it though... |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,SteveM Date: 14 Mar 04 - 09:56 AM Well said, I'm shocked by the lack of promotion for young folk bands on Hardings show, I was at Chippenham last year and was amazed by the wealth of talent shown by young artists, bands like Beltaine,Pepper in the Brandy,Mawkin and NO I.D was wonderful to listen to, such a shame I havent heard anything of them since. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST Date: 14 Mar 04 - 10:15 AM I agree, but I think that we shouldn't have to put up with listening to primarily American music, or not listening at all. MH's show is meant to represent the best in Folk Roots and Acoustic music, and at the moment, it isn't. If nothing is said to the BBC about MH show then it will never improve. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,Flook fan Date: 14 Mar 04 - 10:17 AM Why is it that Mike Harding doesn't play fantastic bands like Flook? |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,Auldtimer Date: 14 Mar 04 - 10:42 AM Since you are feeling so strongly about all this why don't you e-mail or write to Mike Harding via the BBC. Not just once but every week. Tell him how you feel and make sugestions about tracks and artists. Don't leave it to others. cheers. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST Date: 14 Mar 04 - 11:05 AM I have. Thankyou |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: The Borchester Echo Date: 14 Mar 04 - 11:09 AM Mike Harding in a Living Tradition interview: "We are not trying to satisfy the committed folk listener with one hour devoted to one particular specialism...it is not our remit just to reflect the music currently going on..." He is also tired of people telling him how to do his job: "I don't give a toss...I don't want to waste energy arguing with somebody from a folk club in Lower Ecclestone or wherever..." In any case, Smooth Operations produce what the BBC tells them to, or so they say. So what's the point in telling them what to do when they refuse to listen? Looking to set up alternatives is the only answer. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: Rasener Date: 14 Mar 04 - 12:50 PM The best way is to complain long and hard at the advisory council that overseas complaints about the BBC. They are independant people who voluntarily listen to complaints about the BBC. They are the TV Licence payers committee. Thats the way to do it. Have a look at this site. http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/running/nationalbroadcastingcouncils.shtml |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: Folkiedave Date: 14 Mar 04 - 03:34 PM It want help if you get your facts wrong. Flook were played a lot at the time of the launch of Rubai. Mise were played a lot at the time of the young folk awards. Any complaints along those lines and that is the answer you will get. Dave www.collectorsfolk.co.uk |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: Richard Bridge Date: 14 Mar 04 - 04:27 PM Well I don't listen to Mike Harding 'cos evry time I try it there is no folk music on it. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: Art Thieme Date: 14 Mar 04 - 10:43 PM It's a damn good thing that it's not my show. If it was I'd get rid of all the bands. I'm so sick of fiddle tunes and slip jigs et al that I could scream. My program would be just about all singers --- ones who accompany themselves with one guitar (theirs) or banjo ala Alex Campbell and Jack Elliott, Roy Harris and Norman & Betty McDonald and Derrol Adams and so many other word oriented story ballad singers. The kids would be nowhere in evidence until they pay some dues, get some taste and actually become folksingers. What I mean is, for sure, I'd get the flook out o' there ! Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: Dave of Mawkin Date: 15 Mar 04 - 05:45 AM Did I hear someone say my name?! Im not sure boycotting the Mike Harding show is the answer, afterall, its his show, he has a right to play whatever tunes he wants. However I think the only answer is to write to the BBC Radio 2 people and tell them that Mike's Show is not enough. Its obvious on Messageboards on these type of sites that there is a market for folk, so why the beeb dont do enough for us is beyond me. We shouldnt be moaning about 1 radio show that doesnt play folk, we should be moaning that there isnt another 10 shows dedicated to folk music. Whether young people get airtime or not, it doesnt really matter, as the trend seems to be swaying from 'traditional' ways of promotion e.g folk clubs, and appears to be going in the direction of arts centres and pubs, so its only a matter of time when radio shows will sit up and listen. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: greg stephens Date: 15 Mar 04 - 07:29 AM Totally agree with Dave of Mawkin, previous post. Complaining about the content of one little programme really just seems to create resentment and defensive surliness in the people you are complaining to, without any particular benefit to outweigh that. Mike H and his producers have their tastes, I have mine, you all have yours. we cant possibly satisfy them in one hour. All we can do is bang away for more airtimee. Either using the argument about popularity(millions of folk festivals, millions of records sold blah blah) or "national heritage" (duty of BBC to give airtime to pricelss cultural heritage of the nation etc etc). Keep writing, keep emailing. be patient. our time will come (well, our time may come). |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: pavane Date: 15 Mar 04 - 07:45 AM I don't see why we also have to have Eastern European music, songs with words in languages few people speak. There is plenty of English (and British) traditional folk music & song. The American stuff often seems more appropriate to the Country programs (And there are MORE of these shows anyway, so why clutter up a folk program with them). Back in the old days of Folk on 2, we actually had live recordings from folk clubs - Ok, some pretty dire, but others interesting. For example I have NEVER heard the alternative tune to My Johnny was a Shoemaker (which is not really folk but a composed American song) anywhere else. I still have a few of these shows on cassette tapes including one at the Bull in Blackmore, where I used to go C.1970. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: greg stephens Date: 15 Mar 04 - 07:56 AM I dont know how to put this tactfully, pavane: let's just say that live recordings from folk clubs might not be the best possible way to convert more people to listening to folk music. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Mar 04 - 09:15 AM Pavane - aye right! Greg, I think you'll find the "new voices" series of LPs were in fact so recorded, and damn good they are. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,noddy Date: 15 Mar 04 - 11:34 AM never mind the Young talent what about us talented old foggies who have been around for a bit? |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,Crystal Date: 15 Mar 04 - 11:41 AM I'm trying to write a program proposal for a TV show dedicated to how cool folk music really is. As such I'd be looking to show as many young bands/singers/dancers as possible. Unfortunatly I'm relying on my best friend for assistance and he's trying to produce a documentary currently. I'm writing to the BBC about their shameful lack of folkie type programs on tv and radio. Hopefully this will soften them up and make them say yes to my proposal! MWAHAHAHA *ahem* |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: pavane Date: 15 Mar 04 - 11:44 AM If people don't like the music, how can you convert them? By playing something different? Seems to defeat the object.( (And you don't need to be tactful ) |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: greg stephens Date: 15 Mar 04 - 01:46 PM Well, I hsve no objection to the use of a folk club as a venue to make excellent recordings of dynamic, entertaining charismatic musicians, that will sound brilliant on the radio. I was more querying whether sticking a mike up in Little Piddling-in-the-Mire Folk Club will necessarily produce what you are looking for. I speak as someone who has recordings of many cracking nights in folk clubs which...well. let's just say they dont bear repeated listening unlesss you have a nostalgic affection for the people concerned. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: Dave of Mawkin Date: 15 Mar 04 - 02:33 PM I totally agree Greg.Some nights are fantastic, but the majority of folk club nights are dire,boring and not a good avert for folk at all. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,Peter from Essex Date: 15 Mar 04 - 04:05 PM One of the reasons that most clubs are so dull is that decent musicians have abandoned them for bar sessions. The last time I was in the Cuckoo, Radley Green there were more participants than there were singers and audience combined at the last club guest night I went to. With regards to airplay I thought this was only avaible by competitive entry these days. And once you have had your 15 minutes of fame the next round of competition winners take their turn. Dave - in answer to your query on the BBC site, check out the links from webfeet for calling tips. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: Dave of Mawkin Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:40 AM Cheers Pete. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,Blackford John Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:52 AM Both Mike Harding's prog and Scotland's Travelling Folk have become more about World music. For traditional song in Scotland, the best shows to hear trad song on are Robbie Shepherd (Scotland)and Billy Anderson (Tay A.M). Both Robbie and Billy play songs and tunes by performaers who are working the folk scene - clubs, concert halls, pubs and hotels. One of the liveliest folk clubs that I've played at is Dalgety Bay in Fife, where the audience behave as if they are wanting to share in having a good night out rather than hear the latest in Andean Nose flute tunes. There is a place for everything and a balance would be good to hear on radio. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,Crystal Date: 17 Mar 04 - 05:40 AM TAY A.M??? I've been in Dundee almost three years now and never come across anything remotly resembling traditional music on Tay A.M, when? |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,Blackford John Date: 17 Mar 04 - 03:35 PM Tay A.M on Thursday night - Billy Anderson's show covers ceilidh type dance music and Scottish folk song. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST Date: 17 Mar 04 - 06:23 PM Good-oh, now to convince my boyfriend to go out while I listen to it! What time is it on? |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,Dan Abnormal Date: 17 Mar 04 - 07:14 PM The best thing to do is to give up on MH and start your own radio show. If you have a broadband connection try googling for a service called "shoutcast" that lets you broadcast over the internet. Announce your programme here and elsewhere and get on with doing it better than smooth ops. I'm not being flippant btw, if anyone does this I promise I'll listen, and I should hope other mudcatters will too. Going back to the first post in this thread, Mise have been supported no end by MH - they played live at the Folk Awards pre-show at his personal request, and are regular session-buddies of his. He just hasn't played them on the air. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: yrlancslad Date: 18 Mar 04 - 06:08 PM Why waste your time with MH. I do a show in California on traditional music and song from the UK and Ireland and play as many new talents as I can get hold of, young or old! You can listen in on your PC at KZSC.org 12-2 am your time on tuesday mornings. Also if youre a talent not getting airtime over there send me a CD and if your any good at all I'll play it.Talents played in the last few weeks include Keith Kendricks,Mark Dowding, Bandersnatch, Mary Humphreys, Balshazzers Feast,the Boat Band(greg Stephens), Denny Bartley,Harriett Bartlett,Nick Hennessy, Lynne Heraud& Pat Turner,Peta Webb&Ken Hall, etc, etc. Malcolm Rigby 18555 China Grade Boulder Creek CA95006, USA |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,reggie miles Date: 18 Mar 04 - 07:07 PM I'll have to agree with Guest Dan Abnormal. If you've got the time to howl about someone who's not doing the job to suit your taste, then you've got the time to get your stuff together and do it better yourself on the web. PalTalk is another place where anyone can do a radio show. The basic service is free to acquire and use. I've already been approached by several folks, via my performances at a few of the open mics there, and asked to play live on one online radio show. I've also bumped into other folks there who have offline radio shows and wanted my recordings to play on their shows. It's the new frontier. Why not use it to make a difference and fill the void you perceive? |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 18 Mar 04 - 10:16 PM Using simple logic and statistical fact....
of course the Americans will out-produce, out-perform, and out-market you.... their shear population numbers (and lack of in-breeding) guarantee a greater pool of genius....and their economic access to technology combined with an advanced "leasure society" give them the opportunity to apply the resources.
Quit your whining, work harder, and buy American.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: Folkiedave Date: 05 Apr 04 - 07:51 PM Ignoring the spelling error,,,,,.........I assume this is irony?.............lack of inbreeding?????? err.....sure? dave www.collectorsfolk.co.uk |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: KJ Date: 06 Apr 04 - 02:47 PM We've got one foot in the grave, lots of grey hair & saggy bits, we don't get no airplay either,sigh............ |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: radriano Date: 06 Apr 04 - 04:15 PM Actually, it's the same here in the US. New young talents don't get much airplay. Bashing Americans in general is not the answer but only exacerbates the problem. There are lots of traditional performers in the States that face this same problem. |
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Subject: RE: New young talents not getting airplay... From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 04 - 03:40 AM Here here radriano. I have nothing against the Americans, it's just annoying that these young artists aren't being supported enough. They need to be encouraged, and the way things are, then the folk tradition is going to die out, because it's such hard work for them. |
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