BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops

Subject: BS: Limbaugh aired at gov't expense to soldiers
From: Deda
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 11:44 PM

Rush Limbaugh's radio rant is played for the troops at taxpayer expense, spewing his fact-free garbage to service men and women around the world. I just got an email about this, and I sent an email to Rummy saying that I found it deeply offensive. (It's a mass emailing, but I added my own PS.) Here's the story. Below is a clip.
Nearly a million American soldiers and Department of Defense staff are able to hear Rush Limbaugh due to the generosity of the American taxpayer and partisan decision making by the Pentagon. A recently published story on Salon.com gives new meaning to the phrase "fair and balanced." Salon reports that Rush Limbaugh spews his blatantly partisan views (he's repeatedly called John Kerry a "gigolo" and has said that Democrats "hate this country," among other tidbits) daily on American Forces Radio. This airing of such extreme and hateful partisan content must stop immediately.

The first hour of Limbaugh's daily radio show is aired at taxpayer expense to provide "a touch of home" to our soldiers. Limbaugh's show, on which he recently compared the torture of Iraqi prisoners to fraternity pranks, called the abuse a "brilliant maneuver" and compared the photos of said abuse to "good old American pornography," is the only hour-long partisan political talk show to be broadcast daily to U.S. troops.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 12:29 AM

Well, I signed it. He's really disgusticatin, isn't he?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: TIA
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 01:14 AM

Signed it too.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 01:26 AM

This is what I added to the message:

This country is already seriously polarized. The Rush Limbaugh show is partisan, at its best, and viciously divisive at its worst. Surely the men and women of the USA Armed Forces need and deserve inspiring and hopeful messages. The Rush Limbaugh show is inappropriate in this context.

Please rethink your position as to this matter.

Sincerely,

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: GUEST,Allan S.
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 09:30 AM

Who are we who sit here in comfort to decide what a man who may die tomorrow what to listen to. That one may like or dislike Rush is not the question. What bothers me is the fact that one may right or left and then insist that all must agree with their view.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 10:26 AM

Rush isn't right... He isn't partisan... His view isn't compasionate... and, He lies. He smears good people, and touts "good old American porn", which is insidious in it's disgusting availability... What a creep!

Anyone who tries to justify the prevailance of porn in America is seriously disturbed emotionally, and should be banned from the airwaves, if not criminally tried.

This is a nationwide scandal, that affects the world... and is being maintained with a shrug of the shoulders by Bush's 'christianity'.

Seeing him sit with the Pope was really odd...
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 11:56 AM

As quoted in this thread, Limbaugh said speaking about America, "Democrats hate this country."

In reality, generally from my experience as a Democrat, we hate what this country has become under this administration.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 12:43 PM

Who are we who sit here in comfort to decide what a man who may die tomorrow what to listen to

We were talking about what the government should provide as options, not what the listeners should choose. I think it untroward of the government to provide divisive, hate-filled jingoism as a routine fare.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 12:56 PM

"...a man who may die tomorrow"

Is there anyone whom that doesn't describe?

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 01:00 PM

As with state and church, the best government will strive to firmly separate state and hatred.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Deda
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 01:16 PM

If soldiers want to listen to Rush, that's their perogative -- but not on MY nickel, thanks. They can probably get him on-line, or however they can. I just don't want public tax money to pay for that garbage. If the government wants to provide the folks in uniform with "a taste of home" then let them broadcast golden oldies, or the CNN coverage of the house and senate.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: DougR
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 01:26 PM

HORRORS!

I suppose you all would find it acceptable for the troops to hear Al Franken's raving, though, right?

It's a given that any of the troops who do not care to listen don't have to.

Uh, could the stand you are taking (urging that the troops be deprived from hearing Limbaugh)be catergorized as censorship? Methinks so.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: emjay
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 01:43 PM

I write this as I am listening to Al Franken's Air America, but I don't propose the US Government provide it or Rush Limbaugh to those in Iraq. For a taste of home how about Garrison Keillor's Prairie Home Companion? Or how about music without commentary?
Yes, I suppose taking Rush away might be censorship, but god knows there has got to be some way of countering his lies. His name calling, his harsh and cruel ranting, his meanness are all so far from mainstream, but he is not the only one. I have heard that Dr. Laura, James Dobson, others are also on Armed Forces Radio, while a daily two minutes of Jim Hightower's commentary is the only voice for the other side. I would suggest the problem is a lot bigger than possibly censoring Limbaugh.
Does anyone remember Axis Sally or Tokyo Rose? Or Joseph McCarthy?

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: TIA
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 02:00 PM

DougR-

I agree with you. Would you approve of putting Al Franken on in order to provide the troops with a balanced set of choices?

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: JedMarum
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 02:07 PM

Who decides for me what balance is? That's my choice, right? It is not up to a person or committee in a position of leadership to formulate for me what balance is. I will always make that choice for myself - and I certain the soldiers in harms way will do the same.

As for Rush - he is greatly loved and respected by a the military, on the whole. Of course they should have the choice of listening to him, if they wish - even if you and I might not choose to. Likewise with Al Franken - or any other popular radio show host; if enough servicemen want it, they have it - and I'd be happy to pay for it out my taxes.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 02:14 PM

Doesn't this count as "cruel and unusual punishment"?

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: JedMarum
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 02:39 PM

LOL, McGrath!

Only, I suppose if it's forced on you!

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 03:11 PM

I have to agree with DougR on this one. It is rather hypocritical to deny Limbaugh(who I think is an incredible liar and hypocrit) the opportunity to broadcast to troops or anyone. Armed Forces Radio also carries NPR. Would they get the ax as well?

Sure, I think Limbaugh is a hate monger of sorts and he spews his lies to his drones each day. His craft has been honed by help from Roger Ailes who has turned Fox News into a huge success story. I would love to Limbaugh off the air - but only by having his ratings drop to the point where nobody is listening anymore.

Instead of fighting to have Limbaugh denied the opportunity to be on Armed Forces Radio, fight for the opportunity for Air America to get on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 03:30 PM

I'm in. I signed it.

I concur. Rush is okay PROVIDED they also offer Al Franken.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 03:54 PM

And what to balence NPR? Al-Jazera?

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: artbrooks
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 04:20 PM

To balance NPR? But NPR is the most balanced news program in existence today! I have yet to hear them say a rude or clearly untrue thing about either Mr. Bush or Mr. Kerry, and they seem to cover stories in an articulate and intelligent manner.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 04:29 PM

And Al-jazera has nothing but rude things to say... See my point?

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 04:30 PM

But Art, that's the problem with NPR. These days, giving the actual news "in an articulate and intellegent manner" is what can get you branded as a fire-breathing member of the "liberal media."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: TIA
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 04:31 PM

If your point is that total unbalance balances balance, yes I do see your point.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 04:32 PM

Have to give people a choice, to be fair...

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: DougR
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 05:57 PM

TIA: yes I would. Let them hear both Limbaugh and Franken if they want to.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 05:57 PM

If you look at in in terms of morale, Al Franken would be detrimental.

True, Rush is a big fat liar, but he will never hurt the morale of the troops there. Just like any where else, smart people will decide for themselves and sort out the bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 05:59 PM

I note that Limbaugh has gone on public record as saying that what went on in Abu Ghraib is a trivial matter. To balance that kind of extreme you'd perhaps need Osama Bin Laden.

The notion that you achieve balance by pitting extreme nutcases against each other is a bit questionable.

My impression is that what anywhere else would be seen as moderate or centrist views have got successfully branded, by some influential people in America, as constituting a kind of extremism.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: DougR
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 06:03 PM

I guess what "is" liberal, and what "is" conservative is largely in the eye of the beholder. It is my opinion that NPR leans way to the left in it's programming and it's news. Art/Don: if you think NPR is unbiased, I've got some ocean-front property here in Arizona etc. etc.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 06:35 PM

I wouldn't know about NPR. But the impression I get is that what we would call centrist, or even moderate conservative views, seem to be seen as leftwing in the USA, and that what you would call moderate or centrist views would be counted here as markedly rightwing.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 06:46 PM

To use a musical analogy, it's as if a country adopted a convention in which the only acceptable singing were Bass and Baritone. Singing low would mean singing Bass, singing high would mean singing Baritone. Tenors and above would be regarded as just screeching, not singing.

I think that would not be a country with a musical culture that was wholly above criticism. (And I'm not suggesting that people who were happiest singing Bass should feel obliged to sing Tenor, or anything like that - just that the range of singing voices is a bit wider than just Bass and Baritone.)

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 06:58 PM

Saying it is one thing. believing it is another, but doing it is totaly wrong BECAUSE that is how fascism of varying kinds began.

If you think one narco fascist pig preaching to an army of occupation is not wrong you need you head testing! even if both pig and army is American.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 06:58 PM

True- but the problem is to know which country is which...

From where I stand, I see an endless array of extremists off to the left, and an equally endless array of extemists off to the right. I consider myself a memeber of the radical middle.

The left says I am right, and the right says I am wrong...

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 10:30 PM

DougR-

You dah man... we see eye to eye on this one...except that if you think Fox News is unbiased I'll trade you my oceanfront in PA for your oceanfront in AZ.

TIA

P.S.

You anywhere near Flag' ?    I'm visiting NAU in August.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 10:43 PM

Just an aside prompted by something said in this thread:

Tokyo Rose was a very nice person from my experiences with her. She had a Japanese import shop on Belmont Avenue in Chicago when I was in high school -- 1956-1959 -- and I'd go in and we'd talk. Her real name was IDA TAGURI. She was an American of Japanese ancestry who went back to Japan to take care of an ailing mother---then all hell broke loose as the war transpired. She was given the choice of doing the broadcasts or death. There was prison time earlier if I'm remembering right.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 11:08 PM

If you look at in in terms of morale, Al Franken would be detrimental.

Al Franken has gone to Iraq and performed live for the troops. I'm sure that if the brass thought his message was detrimental to morale he would have never been allowed on stage.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 11:28 PM

Rush Limbaugh's radio rant is played for the troops at taxpayer expense, spewing his fact-free garbage to service men and women around the world. I just got an email about this, and I sent an email

Deda: If the troups had not asked for the show to be aired; it would NOT be aired.

which he recently compared the torture of Iraqi prisoners to fraternity pranks, called the abuse a "brilliant maneuver" and

Deda: I will confirm that Rush compared the abuse of Iraqi enemy combatants with a fraternity prank.

Two Bears

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 11:30 PM

This country is already seriously polarized. The Rush Limbaugh show is partisan, at its best, and viciously divisive at its worst. Surely the men and women of the USA Armed Forces need and deserve inspiring and hopeful messages. The Rush Limbaugh show is inappropriate in this context.

It's appropriate material for the troups if the troups request that the show be aired.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 11:33 PM

Anyone who tries to justify the prevailance of porn in America is seriously disturbed emotionally, and should be banned from the airwaves, if not criminally tried.

Excuse me Thomas; but there IS such a thing as freedom of speech called the first ammendment

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 11:45 PM

I guess what "is" liberal, and what "is" conservative is largely in the eye of the beholder. It is my opinion that NPR leans way to the left in it's programming and it's news. Art/Don: if you think NPR is unbiased, I've got some ocean-front property here in Arizona etc. etc.

I agree completely.

NPR constantly tries to evoke their listeners EMOTIONS instead of using logic and reason.

NPR is further left than CNN, and MSNBC.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 12:18 AM

Twa bears... "Good old American porn" is an expression of 'free speach' like rape is good lovemaking. And while we're at it, "Freedom of the press" in America is currently a perrogative for one sided reporting, propaganda, and a heafty slant to the Bush.

America is far to the right, right or wrong...
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 12:29 AM

Yes, it is just a matter of perspective. Any news organization that refers to George W. Bush as "President" instead of "former Texas Governor" or "usurper of the Presidency" or "chickenhawk warmonger" isn't liberal enough to suit me.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 12:36 AM

To fire up volunteer troops with someone other than Rush is a tall order. Face it, a steady diet of Billy Graham wouldn't cut it.

To some people, I suppose that a well reasoned factual NPR report will effectively move the heart and mind.
But that does not mean it is leftist... Unless one accepts that only a biblical quote coupled with hateful rhetoric and vengence against the traitors who do not support a corporate military government is the only kind of report that feels good to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Deda
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 12:59 AM

Is anyone seriously suggesting that in order to "balance" a statement that "The sky is blue", you'd have to give equal time to someone who insists that it's actually maroon? Rush Limbaugh's constant distortion of the facts, his assertive dissemination of total fabrications, are matters of record. Why does a blue-faced liar need to be "balanced" by anyone or anything? As for his popularity -- well, I understand that "Mein Kampf" sold pretty well in its day.

And if the soldiers in Iraq put in a request to live on a steady diet of MacDonald's french fries and chocolate bars, would they get it? And would I have an option of not letting my tax money go to pay for it?

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: LadyJean
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 01:31 AM

Franken regularly brings raunchy humor and attractive women to Americans overseas, while Rush Limbaugh is lolling around the south of France, smoking expensive cigars. Our troops would probably enjoy hearing Franken on Armed Forces Radio. He's the one who brings them the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. Limbaugh is more interested in Oxycontin than cheerleaders, more fool he.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 09:01 AM

NPR constantly tries to evoke their listeners EMOTIONS instead of using logic and reason

As opposed to the the erudite Mr. Limbaugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 02:56 AM

Thanks, Doug, but I'll pass on the Arizona ocean front property. By the way, how do you happen to have it to sell? Buy it from Bill O'Reilly?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: kendall
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 09:04 AM

Hitler's Minister of Propaganda must be smiling.(Not sure how to spell Goebbles)

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: DougR
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 02:45 PM

Don: as you wekk know, it's just a figure of speech.

TIA: If you are coming to Arizona in August, you picked the right place to go to. I live in Phoenix which is about 140 miles south of Flagstaff. The big difference is elevation though. Phoenix is around 2400 ft. above sea level. Flagstaff is around 6500.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 03:06 PM

The statement that Limbaugh is 'greatly loved and respected' by military men reminds me unpleasantly of the testosterone-driven, oxygen-deprived military people who assaulted the Mudcat some time back. I hope neither is representative of the military as a whole.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 11:11 AM

NPR constantly tries to evoke their listeners EMOTIONS instead of using logic and reason

As opposed to the the erudite Mr. Limbaugh.

As opposed to NPR trying to get their listeners to use logic and reason.

I blast Limbaugh every time he says something stupid (as when he labeled the abuse of the Abu Grahib detainees as a fraternity prank).

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 11:16 AM

TIA: If you are coming to Arizona in August, you picked the right place to go to. I live in Phoenix which is about 140 miles south of Flagstaff. The big difference is elevation though. Phoenix is around 2400 ft. above sea level. Flagstaff is around 6500.

The coldest night of my life was in Flagstaff in the month of June 20 years ago.

We were crossing the desert and we had 110-120 degrees f in the daytime. Avout 8PM we pulled into Flafstaffm and it was about 40 degrees f, that was a drop of 70 degrees in temoerature, and none of us had any spring or winter clothing, and It was a very difficult cold night.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 11:23 AM

The statement that Limbaugh is 'greatly loved and respected' by military men reminds me unpleasantly of the testosterone-driven, oxygen-deprived military people who assaulted the Mudcat some time back. I hope neither is representative of the military as a whole.

Ebbie; I take exception to that.

I never served in the army; but I WAS in the last draft in 1973, and I did not burn my draft card, or run to Canada to get away from my duty if it came to me.

Ebbie: Freedom does NOT come free. It requires brave souls to stand and confront evil when it presents itself.

If it was NOT for the American troups; the entire world would be speaking German at the end of World War II. Today we face a greater threat than we did back in WWII.

I am very offended by your callous attitude to belittle brave men; when you are not worthy to tie their shoes for them.

Sorry Ebbie; but I call them as I see them.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 02:22 PM

And by the way Ebbie, some of us are still here.

And by the way, I think Rush Limbaugh is full of shit. I don't hear it around the office at all. Something about having Clinton around to actually bash helped his popularity.

I think most of us realized a few years ago that for the most part the Republicans were in charge (the Whitehouse, 3/4 of Congress and 5/9 of the Judiciary) and nothing was getting better, in fact it was getting worse. Hard to believe everything is the democrats fault now.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 06:42 PM

I think most of us realized a few years ago that for the most part the Republicans were in charge (the Whitehouse, 3/4 of Congress and 5/9 of the Judiciary) and nothing was getting better, in fact it was getting worse. Hard to believe everything is the democrats fault now.

The problem is that the Republican leadership are mostly gutless wonders for both the Congress and Senate. Furthermore; President Bush is also a gutless wonder. He said he would veto Campaign Finance Reform, then signed it.

Then Ted Kennedy was allowed to write the education bill and get almost everything the Democrats wanted.

The problem is weak leadership is the leadership if the Congress, and Senate, and President Bush unwilling to risk political capital to veto bills that should never see the light of day, and the Democrats blocked ALL of Bush Judges appointees by the threat of a phillabuster. The Republicans should have used the nuclear option making the Senate hold meetings around the clock.

The Democrat Senators were violating the previous incidents of confirming judges. According to the Constitution; the Senate was given the right to advise and consent for judges appointed to the bench. The Democrats walking lockstep and threatened phillabuster; made the Senate require a super majority 2/3 of the Senate instead of the simple majority that had been the history of the U.S.A for more than 200 years!

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 06:52 PM

I blast Limbaugh every time he says something stupid...

Don't envy you that job- heavy work!, since its each and every time he opens his gob.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 10:06 PM

May I repeat it? "the testosterone-driven, oxygen-deprived military people who assaulted the Mudcat some time back"

Chief Chaos, I enjoy your posts. It is hard for me to fathom that you are one of those infantalia. Has anyone besides me bothered to go to their/your? website to listen in on their rhetoric?

Two-bears, you may be a self-styled healer but you wouldn't catch me attending you. Quote: I've seen your aura and it's ugly...

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 11:21 PM

Two-bears, you may be a self-styled healer but you wouldn't catch me attending you. Quote: I've seen your aura and it's ugly...

You have decided that based on a kneejerk reaction; and you are entitled to it.

You know NOTHING about me, my aura, or the healing ability given to me.

I will take first hand experiences;

"You exude love" Jacqi R
"I honor you as a kahuna" Joy H
"You have hands of love" Janice S
"I never saw or felt anything like this in my life! Liz H.
"I feel as if I am about to levitate!"Evelyn P.
"This is incredible! You say you can teach me to do this!" Milton C

If you were nearby; I would be happy for you to browse my folders
of such documentation, and attunement experience when I taught two
forms of Reiki Usui Shiki Ryoho Reiki, and Tibetan Reiki to more
than 1,250 people.

over a second rate oppinion any day of the week.

The difference is that I understand that there are some extremist Muslim terrorists that are bent on attacking the inocent men women and children around the world no matter whether they are Catholics, Protestants, pagans or muslims, Jews, etc.

Remember the 3000 inocent men women and children that were killed on 9/11? Remember the terrorist attacks on Bali? Remember the terrorist attacks on the U.S.S. Cole? Remember the attach of the Embassys in Africa? Remember the terrorist attachs on Rhiad, Saudi Arabia?

Those terrorists do not respect life of ANYONE. I choose to stand against evil whether the opinion is popular or not.

Two Bears

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 01:56 AM

Incidentally, I said: "The statement that Limbaugh is 'greatly loved and respected' by military men reminds me unpleasantly of the testosterone-driven, oxygen-deprived military people who assaulted the Mudcat some time back. I hope neither is representative of the military as a whole."

Let me recast that statement. I said that I hope neither Limbaugh nor the the foul-mouthed adolescents on that military website are representative of the military as a whole.

And Two_bears, you responded: I am very offended by your callous attitude to belittle brave men; when you are not worthy to tie their shoes for them."

I just hate to call anyone names but you, sir, are a typical Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 07:08 AM

Let me recast that statement. I said that I hope neither Limbaugh nor the the foul-mouthed adolescents on that military website are representative of the military as a whole.

First off. Please allow me to give you a bit of an education.

1. Rush is NOT a conservative commentator. He is more an entertainer.

If you want to listen to a conservative commentator; go to Nashville's WTN (99.7 FM) radio station and listen to radio commentators like Steve Gill, or G. Gordon Liddy, or any online radio station that airs Sean Hannity.

2. Do not judge the military by what you see on military websites. There are lots of weekend warriors that like to talk a good game as if they were Rangers, Green Berets, or Navy Seals. By weekend warriors I am referring to people in the National Reserves or have retired from the army, and their career did not go anywhere, and in order to appear bigger than life; they lie, or take credit for things other people did.

And Two_bears, you responded: I am very offended by your callous attitude to belittle brave men; when you are not worthy to tie their shoes for them."

I just hate to call anyone names but you, sir, are a typical Republican.

Ebbie: Thank you for replying to my message.

No I am not a typical Republican? I am not a Republican at all. The last few times I voted for someone it was in neither party. I usually vote Libertarian, Constitution, or Natural Law parties.

I was just offended when you insulted brave men that are dying almost every day to protect society from a bunch of terrorists that can not be bargained with, can not be reasoned with, and they want ALL infidels (anyone that has a different opinion about Religion) DEAD!

Two Bears

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Big Jim from Jackson
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 10:14 AM

Much of the above is not even worth responding to. Talk about thread creep! The origional post complained about tax payers' money being used to foster a one-sided point of view. That does not seem fair.
    As for getting into the merits, or the lack of merits of the individuals (Rush and Al) or the organizations (NPR and Fox), everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Jackson, Missouri, is the next town west of Rush's hometown, Cape Girardeau. I am a native of Cape Girardeau myself. I know Rush III, knew his dad, Rush II, and his grandfather. I have my opinion of the family as a whole and III as an individual. However, I don't think that declaring him a villian or a pillar of virtue has much to do with the origional post.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 12:15 PM

Whether out of some sort of animal sincerity, or purely as an entertainer to electrify his listeners, Rush has taken on the persona of a loud, belligerent, unreflective, insensate, bigot.

Of course, I could be wrong... :>)

But that sure is how it seems to me.

This is something for tax money to go toward? Ptui!


As with state and church, the best government will strive to firmly separate state and hatred.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 12:40 PM

The problem with Rush is that he is an entertainer with the power of a commentator. His rhetoric is accepted as gospel truth by some. In this way he can be the messiah of a generation and not be held to task when any of his followers, egged on by his view of things, act on something believing they are right. The followers are acting on their own and are fully accountable for their actions but Rush just says, "I'm an entertainer", like that would cover anyone yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

I am astounded that when Barbra Streisand or some other entertainer gives out their political view we always here "They're entertainers, what do they know? I don't want them telling me how to think!" and yet here's Rush who claims to be an entertainer strutting his stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 01:11 PM

He's a foaming asshole.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:27 PM

To all of those who criticized Rush Limbaugh above- how many of you have actually listened to him?   I bet very few of you.   (I define listining as more than 10 hours total in a lifetime)

If you have criticized him without having ever heard his show you are full of it.   Reading other peoples remarks is not the same as making up your own opinion.   Many times people criticize out of context remarks when his is doing parody and take as a serious comment.   (like when he proposed taxing the poor)   When you depend one someone elses article or quote you never know what context it was in.

Limbaugh has been the most successfull talk show host in history.   There is no debate in that.   Over 20 million people listen to him every week, not to mention his web site, or newsletter.    There has to be a reason why he has been so successfull and every liber radio show in history has failed miserably.    (If you think it is because there are that many conservatiives and so few liberals in this country you are really in trouble)   My guess is that you think most Americans are stupid.   

I would contend that if they did a survey of the US military that 80% or more would support Rush.   I would also contend that Al Franken or Michael Moore would need a large number of armed guards if they toured a military base.   We conservatives believe in free speech and free markets.   None of us complained about the military getting NPR.   Liberals believe in free speech only as long as it is liberal philosophy.   Rush Limbaugh has to be censored.   Hey- you can't even get fox news in Canada.   I say let the market decide.   Give the soldiers a choice and let them listen to whoever they want.   Here's a hint how that would turn out.   Rush is on 650 stations.   Franken is on less than 6.   By the time you read this, he may not be on any as checks keep bouncing.   The public has spoken.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:47 PM

Larry K, if you make assumptions like that, you are the one who is full of it.   Many of us have and do listen to Limbaugh. It is somewhat of a game to pick out his lies and BS. Very entertaining.

Most of us are not saying the Limbaugh should be censored, only that people need an alternative - the truth. People have been swayed by charismatic entertainers before - from Billy Sunday to Hitler. I'm not comparing Rush to Hitler, just that masses of people can be swayed by lies and rhetoric. Give them what they want to hear and they will listen.

Franken is on 14 stations at the moment, plus XM and Sirius. He will soon be on the Dish network plus several other affiliates. Check your facts straight before you post. I know you probably learn from a manipulator of words, but the truth can be found if you look for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: emjay
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:57 PM

To Guest, Larry and others--I worked long enough in government to know how quickly people rush to judgment without information or without enough information. I have listened to the requisite ten hours of Rush Limbaugh and a few others of that ilk. I know how it can influence your thinking even crowding out common sense.
Conservatives, that is true conservatives, believe that things as they are need not be changed. The Limbaughs are reactionaries who want to change things, who think we once knew how to do it better and we should go back to the good old days.
I once sat with a group at an educational conference where the reactionary speaker spoke of countries where thieves are punished by having an arm cut off. I heard applause and favorable comments in response. Those were reactionaries, too.
Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer, but to many of his listeners he is a voice of truth. He is dangerous. He influences his listeners to believe every word he says and to want to act on his commentary. I believe more people vote with Rush's comment in mind than vote with actual information.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: TIA
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 03:07 PM

I've listened to hundreds of hours. It is a great mental excercise to spot his myriad logical fallacies. I can't comment on "the truth" of much of what he says, except that when he happens to stray into my field of expertise where I absolutely can spot "the truth", he is usually full of sheet. Maybe he does better on other subject matter.

Shall we judge worth based on popularity? Most listened-to radio personality? It isn't Rush. It's Howard. (BTW I've listened to hundreds of hours of Howard as well).

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 03:45 PM

speech only as long as it is liberal philosophy.   Rush Limbaugh has to be censored.   Hey- you can't even get fox news in Canada.   I say let the market decide.   Give the soldiers a choice and let them listen to whoever they want.   Here's a hint how that would turn out.   Rush is on 650 stations.   Franken is on less than 6.   By the time you read this, he may not be on any as checks keep bouncing.   The public has spoken.

The troups are the ones that are being shot at and killed on an almost daily basis.

Their opinion of what they want to hear on Air Forces Radio is the only oppinion that really matters.

Maybe they want to hear the conservative point of view instead of the traditional liberal propogands.

There are better talk show hosts than Rush; but since they are the ones getting shot at; they have the right to decide what they want to listen to.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 03:55 PM

Ive heard him.

As for most successfull (stet) talk show host in history this depends entirely on what you think a talk show host is there to do and what it would look like if he succeeded. This is similar to saying the National Enquirer is a successful newspaper. It's true only so long as you have absolutely no respect for quality, virtue, ethics, accuracy, style, form, or decency.

Barring those factors, I am sure you are right, LK.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 08:12 AM

Lots of folks considered the televised McCarthy /HUAC hearings "entertainment", too. Then there's the popular (in some right-wing circles) "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

Does that make either of them a reliable source of factual information?

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: GUEST,larry K
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 11:38 AM

I have zero problem with anyone who has listened to Rush not liking him or critizing him.   My problem is with the majority of people who criticize Rush who have never listened to him and are basing their opionions on heresay or other peoples opinions.

When Franken started he was on 6 stations.   Two of the stations had problems with payrolls/lawsuits and went off the air. (LA and Chicago I believe)   Since than, I have read about payroll problems, mass defections with most of the station leadership resigning, and Franken working for no salary.   I did not read anything about expanding to 14 stations.    That surprises me as the launch of Air America was promoted heavily throughout all the media.   Even 14 stations is miniscule when compared to other syndicated hosts.   Bill O'reilly, Laura Ingram, and others have all started new shows in the past year or two with over 100 stations right out of the box. I will wait till he makes Talker Magazine heavy hundred list before I would consider it any kind of success.

Rush has been the leading talk show host in ratings (per talker magazine) for 15 straight years now.    There are many other conservative (and liberal) hosts that have come and gone and have never been number 1.   In addition, talk radio was a dying market. Rush revolutionized it and made it a very successfull format today.   To not give him credit for that is ignorant.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 11:55 AM

Larry - there is no question, Air America has only a handful of stations and it is minor compared to the huge numbers that Limbaugh gets. You need to understand that Air America is starting from scratch, buying time on INDEPENDENT stations - stations that are not owned by Clearchannel or one of the remaining media conglomorates. It is very difficult to get a voice on commercial radio when large corporations control what we listen to.

Of course they are having HUGE financial problems. That does not mean they are doomed for failure. They have restructed their managment. Their initial plan was to lease time on stations and keep all the ad revnue for themselves. They are now adopting a more traditional approach which will enable them to create deals with station groups and share ad revenue.

Ratings in New York for April have shown that Air America has more listeners in the 25- to 54-year-old demographic from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. than did WABC, where the Limbaugh is heard. Air America also beat WABC among the 18- to 34-year-old group. Not a bad start.

Whether Air America suceeds remains to be seen. The fact is, they are disproving a belief that liberal radio voices are not marketable. Limbaugh is a genius at working his audience and building his show. He has to be given credit.   The left never had a voice to counter that.   Al Franken alone has proven that it can be done.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 02:55 PM

All of you who are crying about Rush being aired to the troops or anywhere else are just scared of the truth. And by the way some of you describe him makes it look like you listen to him as much as I do. It's kinda of like Frito Lay chips, you can't just eat one. So all of you liberal democrats who support John Cussin' Kerry(King of Distortion), just keep on listening and just maybe the truth will start sinking in.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Tweed
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 05:08 PM

Wait a minute....Rush Limbaugh iz aired to US Troops? Iz you saying thet somehow Cheney and young George has somehow managed to FART Rush Limbaugh at ar own soljurs over there? Iz thar no end to the debvilish trickery obv them two jackels? I remember thet Spaw witnessed a spectacle in hiz backyard whar Paw farted an image obv Jerry Falwell out on hiz wall or fence, but this iz more evil than ennyone culd evber guess. I yam az allus...stupefied senseless.

Tweed

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 05:20 PM

Guest, Dave:

I think that the matter of concern is that the government is providing Rush without giving others a chance: They object to defacto funding of the program. I happen to think they are right- BOTH sides ( or all sides) of the issue should be presented. But I am not sure I would want to be telling a bunch of young men and women with guns and armor how I think they are all hoodlums and evil babykillers...

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 07:40 PM

"I would also contend that Al Franken... would need a large number of armed guards if they toured a military
base."

FYI al franken went to iraq and entertained the troops there and seemingly had no problems. it was in the news a few months ago. do you ever get your news anywhere besides the fox propaganda network? and do you know if rush has visited iraq? just curious.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 09:03 PM

Yo, Twwezer... You got it all wrong there, pal... They don't actually air Limbaugh, they "air" him. This ain't 'bout farts 'er nuthin like that... Like you needs farts when you got the real deal? See, it seems a lot like flagilation except there's a real pile involved with Rush. Know what I mean?

Ahhhh, speakin' of flagilation. What is a liberal, Dave, Guestperson?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 09:15 PM

I have zero problem with anyone who has listened to Rush not liking him or critizing him.   My problem is with the majority of people who criticize Rush who have never listened to him and are basing their opionions on heresay or other peoples opinions.

The problem is that the newsmedia takes quotes that will evoke emotion out of context to make him appear as badly as possible.

I am not a Rush Fan. I prefer other talk shows. I like to listen to G. Gordon Liddy, Sean Hannity, Rollye James, Steve Gill, rather than Rush.

The problem is that Rush is not a real conservative. He expresses conservative ideas with a lot of entertainment.

In my opinion Rush, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Phil Valentine, etc are embarassments to the conservatism.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Two_bears
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 09:21 PM

Wait a minute....Rush Limbaugh iz aired to US Troops? Iz you saying thet somehow Cheney and young George has somehow managed to FART Rush Limbaugh at ar own soljurs over there? Iz thar no end to the debvilish trickery obv them

Rush has veen on FART as tou call it for many years (even before George W. Bush was elected.

I am not a big fan of Rush, and I do not care either way if Rush is aired to the troups or not.

The right way to do this; is allow the soldiers that bleed and die to keep America strong decide which shows are aired or blocked. Their oppinion is the ONLY opinion that really matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 11:29 PM

REFRESH so those interested can see what I said about Tokyo Rose (Ida Toguri) in my last post to this thread a while ago.

I wasn't kidding. I found her to be a very nice person!!

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Oct 07 - 04:20 PM

Isn't this a wonderful thing for them to hear:

On the October 2 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh denounced a recent ad by VoteVets.org that featured Iraq war veteran Brian McGough, calling the ad "a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said, then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media in a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into." Limbaugh went on to say that "[w]hoever pumped [McGough] full of these lies about what I said ... has betrayed him." Limbaugh denounced the ad despite admitting "I haven't watched the ad."

In the ad, which was created in response to Limbaugh's recent characterization of U.S. service members who oppose the war in Iraq as "phony soldiers," McGough says to Limbaugh, "Until you have the guts to call me a 'phony soldier' to my face, stop telling lies about my service."

From the October 2 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:

    LIMBAUGH: VoteVets.org has -- they describe themselves as an organization comprised of veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns who oppose current policy in Iraq. They've put together a TV ad that takes aim at me. This ad's going to run on Fox News, on CNN, it's going to run on WMAL radio in Washington, $60,000 ad buy that's going to run, I think, on our local West Palm Beach station down here. And there's a man identified as Brian McCoff -- McGough -- it's M-C-G-O-U-G-H, I'm not sure how he pronounces it, McGo, McGuff -- I haven't watched the ad.

    "He discusses his service in Iraq, the wounds he suffered there, and he says to me in this ad, "Until you have the guts to call me a 'phony soldier' to my face, stop telling lies about my service." You know, this is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said, then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media in a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into.

    "This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him. They're not hurting me, they're betraying this soldier. Now, unless he actually believes what he's saying, in which case it's just so unfortunate and sad when the truth of what I said is right out there to be learned."

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Peace
Date: 05 Oct 07 - 06:03 PM

I think Rush should change the first letter in his name. May I buy him a 'B'?

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 02:12 AM

He (Rush) deserves no notice, acknowledgment or air time he's plainly a bag of bad wind, let him blow bye like the gaseous stink he is 7 the ass he always will be.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 08:23 AM

But, of course, Rush Limbaugh was unable to serve himself, because he had his ears stuffed full of Oxycodone, and couldn't hear the artillery rounds going off.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 08:53 AM

Actually, he did not serve because he had a cyst on his ass. No kidding.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 11:00 AM

So that's why they call him windy. He's always in-cyst-ing he knows best as the wind passes his ass from which he speaks.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 06:07 PM

When was the last time the troops heard Al Franken on the radio? He had to go there to be heard.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Peace
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 06:09 PM

"he's plainly a bag of bad wind"

I have never seen shit spelled that way before.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: Amos
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 06:19 PM

"Limbaugh's "Phony Soldiers" Slur
Thu Oct 4, 3:00 AM ET

The controversy over what Rush Limbaugh meant when he uttered the phrase "phony soldiers" last week isn't just another broadcast sideshow. As the political power of conservatism declines, the symbolic authority of figures such as Limbaugh is likewise shrinking. That is why he backs away from his own words, rips them from context by selectively editing his program's transcript, and insists he didn't demean soldiers and veterans who dissent from the Bush White House war policy — as he and his fellow partisans have done so many times before.


This revealing episode began on Sept. 26 during a conversation between Limbaugh and "Mike," a caller who identified himself as an active-duty soldier and supporter of the Iraq war, who warned against the consequences of withdrawing U.S. troops "because Iraq itself would collapse and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so."

At that point the host interjected, "There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even — if — the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull — what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? . . . I don't think they have an answer for that other than, 'Well, we just gotta bring the troops home. Save the — keep the troops safe,' or whatever. It's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people."

Replied Mike, "No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media."

Limbaugh agreed: "The phony soldiers."

Two days later, under heavy critical fire for using those words, he claimed to be the victim of a "smear." He served up a neatly trimmed transcript of the Sept. 26 program, omitting more than a minute and a half to make it seem as if his "phony soldiers" reference was intended solely for an anti-war activist who had allegedly masqueraded as an Army vet. That falsified transcript has provided fodder for Limbaugh's defenders, a motley assortment of bloggers, Fox News personalities, and a Republican congressman from Georgia who has actually introduced a resolution commending him.

Not content with insulting the troops, the Limbaugh clones seem to think any soldier who examines the transcript will be too dumb to figure out how they have tampered with it. It is equally telling that both he and his defenders change the original phrase "phony soldiers" and say "phony soldier" instead — because the plural belies his alibi and emphasizes his nasty intention.

While today he whines because Media Matters for America, the progressive watchdog group, caught and publicized his slur, he cannot escape what the audio proves.

Only in a media environment where conservatives have long felt exempt from scrutiny would Limbaugh still feel free to mock the military service of those who disagree with him. He is, after all, a certified chicken-hawk who cheered on the Vietnam War as it ground up tens of thousands of young Americans, but saw no reason why he should serve. His local draft board in a Missouri county, where his family enjoyed political influence, granted him a 1-Y deferment after he dropped out of college and forfeited his student deferment. Explaining how he escaped the draft, he has cited both a "bad knee" and a cyst on his backside that supposedly rendered him medically unfit."


Excerpt from Yahoo News Opinion section.

Subject: RE: BS: Rush Limbaugh is aired to US troops
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 06:34 PM

I wrote about the phony soldier thing to the local station which carries the bum's Rush show. I told them what I thought and asked that they take him off the air. Here's their reply:

I've been listening to Rush since 1990 on KNZZ. I have NEVER heard him say anything negative about our fighting men and women!! The phony soldiers related to one person, who lied about his service, and
was never in Iraq.

Also, if any of our talk show hosts attacked our armed forces, I would not hesitate to take them off the air.

Talk about blinders being on!