BS: Is Futball Rubbish?

Subject: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: s6k
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 08:51 PM

Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 09:02 PM

not if you own a big piece of the action......

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 09:23 PM

its not as rubbish as golf, golf is really rubbish.

other rubbish things= macdonalds, opera, ballet dancing, foreign boxes of juice waht are hard to open, moany people like The Shambles, people that put rubbish in other people weely bins, expensive shops, traffic jams, speed bumps and council tax. all them things are rubbish.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 09:48 PM

zijn als geen vuilnis als golf, golf is werkelijk vuilnis. andere vuilnisdingen = macdonalds, opera, ballet die, buitenlandse dozen sap waht zijn moeilijk te openen, moany mensen zoals Shambles, mensen danst dat het gezette vuilnis in andere mensen weely bakken, de dure winkels, de verkeersjam, de snelheidsbuilen en de raadsbelasting allen hen dingen vuilnis zijn.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 09:58 PM

hey...almost as clear as j0hn himself said it!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 02:03 AM

But nowhere near as rubbish as people who start threads on things that are rubbish.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 04:14 AM

While I tend to agree with sledge on his premise, I do feel that an objrctive discussion of commercialised sports including football is worthwhile.
The first problem is the malign influence of Rupert Murdoch. His injections of enormous cash into sport for the benefit of Sky TV and other channels he controls, has distorted the system.
This has resulted in sportsmen [sic] being paid obscene amounts of money. It has also distorted TV viewing, with the TV companies calling the shots re kick off times etc, so they suit the company schedules.
This influences youngsters in some cases by making them think that to become rich and famous, neither education or manners are a necessary adjunct to life. So they leave school early, or concentrate on sports to the exclusion of more mundane things like the three Rs. They can't all be superstars, so inevitably many become disillusioned and bored, and end up in bad company.
It has also put people off following sport because of its mercenary attitudes.
Then there is the situation where a British football team turns out for a match with not one Briton in the team. How does that foster sport in our own people? What it seems to do in most cases is, reduce the pool of good players when it comes to selecting a national side. If you don't bring on your own players, you don't have the choice!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 05:37 AM

I thought and hoped we'd seen the last of these "rubbish" threads for the time being.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 06:11 AM

yesyesyesyesyesyesyes - its crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: s6k
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 06:36 AM

other things that are rubbish = cricket, people who take prams into tiny shops, burnt toast, mouldy bananas, cheeky girls, programmes about house designers, and the daily star.
all these are rubbish

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Rubbish
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 08:12 AM

"I thought and hoped we'd seen the last of these "rubbish" threads for the time being"

McGrath, you dont have to read it, the clue was in the title, but I bet you return.......

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 08:24 AM

s6k,

Buy any paper expect the Daily Star, read the tv guide and then you won't accidently stumble onto any sports being broadcast, you can also use this portion to avoid house design programs, amazing eh! Then you are advised to only read the front portion of the paper as the sports often are to be found in the rear portion. When buying this paper, use a large shop as you are less likely to be inconvinienced by Cheeky mothers with prams. When buying the paper, thoroughly examine all bananas also being purchased and eat them in good time, this should stop mouldy bananas being a factor in your day to day existence. As for the burnt toast, I suggest you get a new toaster and refuse all offers of toast from those with substandard toast making skills.

I hope this info is of use to you.

Sledge

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 08:47 AM

Sledge - clue is in the title - dont like dont read

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 08:51 AM

Guest, the title is a question, where possible questions need answers, to help supply an answer you need to read the question in full. No.

I suggest you also follow may advice above.



Sledge

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: muppett
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 09:59 AM

Aye it is & what is it about football and hooligans, why does it attract them, compaired to the crowds at Ruby (both codes) or cricket or even horse racing?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 10:09 AM

The headline "40,000 England fans behave and have a quiet drink with Croats" makes such dull reading doesn't it!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: muppett
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 10:12 AM

Nay I think it would make ace reading don't you

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 10:13 AM

Muppet, if you think cricket can be a peaceful sport, try watching a match in Bangladesh, I have, if the wrong team wins all mayhem breaks loose, makes a lot of football fans seem like naughty choir boys by comparison.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 10:15 AM

True, but its not the juicy stuff that sells newspapers or give TV networks something to blow out of proportion.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: muppett
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 10:17 AM

Aye true but it makes dull reading in the news papers though doesn't it

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 10:19 AM

Not really, its just that no England fans are involved and its not on our doorstep.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: muppett
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 10:21 AM

Exactly

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: s6k
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 11:02 AM

wow thats some good advice there sledge.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Oryx
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 11:48 AM

Football is a wonderful game but it has huge problems that no one seems willing to address: Given the vast sums of money involved, cheating amounts to serious fraud. Manipulation of the referee by diving etc. should be severely punished. The referee's decision should stand for the duration of a game but if TV cameras can prove that a wrong decision changed the outcome of a game, the player/club responsible should be fined an amount equivalent to their gain from winning. That would stop it.

The other problem is the enourmous influence football "heroes" have on children. Watching school matches it is not uncommon to see children diving, feigning innocence and spitting. Why can't the professionals behave like sportsmen? Can't they be stopped? They should be prevented from exerting their influence ie. not televised. Football these days just isn't cricket.

Rant over.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 12:31 PM

the trouble with fans is demonstrated very clearly on this page.

if you point out that Christianity(perm any three religious leaders) or Karl marx has lead to millions of murders and horrific violence - and the true fan says - ah yes but Cristianity or true Marxism has never been tried......

When you say football is rubbish, given the millions we have to pay to protect ourselves from the fans, the endless tripe talked about it, the awful public conduct of many of the players..... they ah but true football is a wonderful thing, it's just never been tried......

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 12:46 PM

Sorry kids but you can no longer kick that football around the park with your friends because you are obviously doomed to become deranged maniacs who threaten the fabric of society due to its pernicous influence.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 01:50 PM

True
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 02:59 AM

what is it about your description of the sunny idyll of little kiddies playing footy in the park that makes me realise you never got lumbered with taking year nine for football for a term.
Now if you want to explore the dark side of the human psyche, forget about Ted Bundy movies......

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 03:38 AM

I was thinking more of those long ago summer holidays when any bit of vaguely flat ground was transformed by you and your mates into Wembly, sigh.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 01:29 PM

No it is BIG business, entertainment, a political hot potato (no politician will make laws that upset the fans) and the opiate of many.

But rubbish is too nebulous a word, and sport far too distant for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 02:25 PM

Mum, Mr Red said we can't have our ball back :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 04:29 PM

you can have your ball back just as soon as I have deflated de football.

Next time keep it out of my hospitals, my TV, my newspapers but you can keep it in Rupert Merde's comics.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: s6k
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 04:51 PM

the germans are out, so there is now no reason whatsoever to watch the futball.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Nemesis
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 06:17 PM

Sigh! It all seems a long way from when Great-granddaddy said to his workmates at the Dial Square workshop at the Woolwich Arsenal "Hey, lads, let's all chip in 6d (sixpence) for a ball and start a futball team .. I'll go ask the cricket club if we can use their pitch"

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Blowzabella
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 07:23 PM

Futball didn't use to be rubbish but I think it is now. I saw a programme (drama) many years ago, starring (name slipped mind - him who was in Minder) - yes, Dennis waterman. It was about the VERY first World Cup - forgotten about because it was before First World War. And the main league wasn't interested - sisn't think it would work. So it was left to the Sunday leagues to sort out. And the VERY first World Cup was WON by a Sunday League team from Bishop Aukland against Jeuventas (?) - all miners, who didn't 'hold' with training - wonderful programme.

I think the cup was stolen from the clubhouse about ten years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 02:14 AM

"my hospitals, my TV, my newspapers" Jeez you must be loaded, maybe you should spend some of your fabulous wealth on an ivory tower where the simple pleasures of the proles won't impact you?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:35 AM

if only......theres not enough ivory in the world to escape tonight .....the whingeing and riots if we lose, the triumphalism if we win, the tasteless metaphors about the second world war. thank god I've got a gig, not that anybody'll be there.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 12:03 PM

So many of the members of the opposing teams play in the English league, that I suppose they could call it an English win whatever.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 07:18 PM

Just want to say I'm really sorry for all those English football fans I know it does mean a lot to them - despite my feelings about the game.

Still perhaps its gonna be a special year for Portugal like 66 was for us - host nation etc - and maybe every country deserves to have one of those.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Ed.
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 07:39 PM

Amen to that, weelittledrummer

Let's just hope the 'fans' don't let their disappointment boil over.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:34 AM

sledge
Football fans are in the minority
It is just that the majority have diverse interests and so are "no-counts"

40,000 UK football fans travelled to Portugal - 10 pages in the average comic plus special pull-outs.

60,000 UK fans travelled to Le Mans the same weekend and where is the reportage? Just for the record I prefer 3 wheeled sport - no reportage whatsover in those comics despite the reigning and record breaking 8 times World Champion being ENGLISH.

AND the minority shall inherit the earth - YOU WANNA ARGUE?

You can have your ball back NOW - but I will leave it in Guernsey if you are brave enough to venture there at present.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: el ted
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:44 AM

From what I heard on radio 2 today, 20million people watched the game in England last night (I didn't) That means FORTY million English people didn't watch it either. The hysteria surrounding this pastime is ridiculous!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:46 AM

Try quoting figures when the season starts again, each and every premiership ground is a sell out, most of the first division as well, plus the many that attend grounds all the way down to the minor leagues. And thats just the UK.

""my hospitals, my TV, my newspapers" Jeez you must be loaded" must be why you can afford to live in geurnsey. (just jelous)

Never mind, only seven weeks till the season opens again, hehe.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: The DeanMeister
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:56 AM

I'm with you, Mr. Red.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 26 Jun 04 - 04:40 AM

And we get "You can have your ball back NOW - but I will leave it in Guernsey if you are brave enough to venture there at present." A threat? Our first Folk hooligan? :-)

And I forgot to mention the huge number of pub leagues, not just spectating there, a huge amount of participation but not much in the way of money.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Jun 04 - 12:14 PM

It's too much money that ruined sport in the first place!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: Mr Red
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 11:15 AM

Not seen the news about Guernsey obviously.

Similar heads in sand dept

Ibrox Park
Bradford City
Heisel Stadium
Hillsborough

spot the stadium full of sensible law abiding football fans - how could it possibly happen? Large numbers of people are a potential hazard and because the individuals wouldn't harm a fly that goes for 40,000 individuals doesn't it? Only in cranial sub-sand.
But then what do football fans know about crowd psychology?

Meanwhile: Ceilidh dancing can be dangerous - I am off to the physio dept of Stroud Hospital - financed and instigated by workers contributuions - a community initiative - my community.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 11:28 AM

Hope the injury heals soon, shame I am too far away to apply my proffesional skills, I could save you the wait.

Cheers

Sledge

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: sledge
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 11:39 AM

As for the sand, can't help but have my head in it out here, the Sahara is a pretty sandy place, and after last nights sandstorm the sand has reached places I would rather it hadn't.

Sorry if I have missed any Guernsey news, the news stirred up by events in Iraq tend to occupy our tv viewing and net access to a large degree, the footie provides some much needed relief the rest of the time. As does the cat!

Cheers

Sledge

Subject: RE: BS: Is Futball Rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 12:18 PM

Us bigger boys prefer sheep!!
Giok