BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah

Subject: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:11 AM

If there was already a thread on this, I apologize. It apparently happened awhile ago, but I never heard about it till this morning.

Story here

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:22 AM

I heard about it on NPR yesterday or maybe the day before.

An eclipse would be nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:26 AM

Dear Gawd! Aided and abetted by a US Senator, no less, we are now blessed by the self-appointment of Sun Young Moon as the Savior of Humanity and the True Parent of the species.


What pornography!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:38 AM

Now, if it had been Nana Moon I would have bought it...

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:55 AM

A Democratic Senator, at that.

What implications does this have for the separation of church & state argument? And why has it only just come out in the news?

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Deda
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 11:11 AM

All of the Moonies have known for many years that Moon considered himself the Messiah returned. (They don't raise any fuss about it because they believe him, for the most part. Every few years there's an interesting defection and a little flurry of interviews, maybe a book.) However, since he talks about this only in Korean, and spreads vast amounts of money around Washington, he's managed to get away with it, astonishingly enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 11:15 AM

Moon is a stealthy man. He means to take over the world someday (after countries like the US have destroyed civilization as we know it). This is his stated mission. You can check it out on his website:

http://www.unification.net/

This why I wonder at people who are willing to use Moon's media outlets as a source of information. If his stated agenda is to take over the world after the world as we know it is destroyed, I find myself concluding that he sees it in his best interest to hasten the destruction of the world as we know it. So everything I read in the Washington Times, and from UPI, I read with the idea that this "information" must be percieved in some way by the Moonies to be in service to the goal of ending civilazition as we know it.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 11:17 AM

Say nothing against my man Moon. I remember back in 1976, when he put on a 2 hour fire works celebration at the Washington Monument in DC. It was the best display I'd ever seen.

Moon for Messiah! Or better yet, chuck Cheny and have him run as VP.
I bet Mr B would like a little tiera of his own.

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 11:21 AM

Reverend Moon is a very strange man. At the Ashram where I stay now and then in Trinidad we had a visitor who was a former devotee of Reverend Moon. She was rather confused. She had been very devoted to Moon and had followed his every command and suggestion for many years. At one point she was informed that he had picked out a husband for her from among the other devotees. This was a man she didn't know at all. He had also picked out spouses for several hundred other people and they were all married in a mass ceremonial. She said the marriage turned out reasonably well, although she found it odd to marry someone she knew nothing about at first! (grin) They had 2 children in the years following. Eventually the marriage broke up rather acrimoniously, and the woman in question began feeling uncomfortable in Moon's organization. She came to the Trinidad Ashram (which I hasten to say has absolutely NO connection to Mr Moon whatsoever) looking for answers to her spiritual questions. I found her to be a very defensive person, afraid of being hurt, but she calmed down some after awhile and I think she had a pretty good time visiting the Ashram, which is a very welcoming and unpressuring place. You are not required to believe anything there, you are just required to behave responsibly, follow a daily schedule of work, meditation, and so on, and have a good attitude toward other people. And you have to go outside the Ashram grounds, for instance, if you want to smoke a cigarette or something like that.

Anyway, this lady who was the former devotee of Reverend Moon had a kind of conflicted attitude toward him. She still respected him a lot, but felt that she couldn't be part of his organization anymore. She still thought that he had probably chosen her marriage partner correctly. I found her whole attitude puzzling.

I would go a long way out of my way to avoid getting tangled up with Reverend Moon or anyone else who would crown himself among a bunch of political bigwigs and announce that he was THE MESSIAH. I consider such people extremely dangerous.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 11:41 AM

And there was I assuming that Keith Moon had finally got around to rising from the dead - probably too pissed to do it sooner - and told us that Tommy was right after all!!
Shame!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 11:54 AM

We need a new version of "Goodnight, Moon."

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 12:14 PM

At age 84, Moon would seem fairly vulnerable to the encroachments of time. Unless he is visibly and publicly raised from the dead?

What fools we mortals be.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 12:24 PM

I thought the whole idea was that the Messiah would not reveal him/herself to anyone as such.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 12:29 PM

I'm certainly not a biblical scholar, but isn't Jesus reputed to have revealed himself as the Messiah to his followers?

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Nerd
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 12:49 PM

Just for clarification's sake: there were Democratic AND Republican senators at the event. Moon himself supports the Republican party and its agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 12:51 PM

Well, he's no parent of mine, that is for sure. He may stuff it.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 01:32 PM

Carol, I meant the Second Coming. At least that's always been my own understanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 02:54 PM

There are a lot of different ideas out there about the Messiah. :-)

As for the "second coming", we'd already be at about the 539,000th coming by now...or something like that! Whenever Christ consciousness (or enlightenment) occurs in a human being, there you have the "second coming" or the 139,000th coming of the Christ in human form. It's an inner state of consciousness, and it's not confined only to adherents of the Christian churches.

Such individuals are not normally given to declaring themselves the one and only "messiah" up above everyone else, but rather to saying to all people: "This that I have done, you can do as well." "Go forward and sin no more." "Take up thy bed and walk." "Ye are Gods and sons of the most high." "These things that I have done, you can do the same and greater."

The Christ is not an outer exclusivity limited to one physical expression in one historical figure, but an inner flowering of the full potential of what it is to be human...and simultaneously divine. That is the natural birthright of all people.

As for Reverend Moon, he appears to be in a very exclusive mood. For this reason, I would not regard him as a very good spiritual leader.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 03:19 PM

I don't think Jesus ever claimed to be the Messiah. When asked if he was the Messiah, he usually responded with "Who do you think I am?" He was a great one for answering a question with a question. Plato was the same way. The idea was to precipitate a discussion, often to demonstrate that pat answers could be misleading. Ironic when you consider how heavily fundamentalists of every stripe depend on pat answers.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Mooh
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 04:06 PM

Jim Moon built my mandolin, but he's not the second coming. Keith Moon is a drummer, so he can't be the Messiah, can he?

Enough silliness already...

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: GUEST, Isiah Thanyou
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 04:25 PM

Messiahs are ten a penny and universally useless except to fulfill a need in the gullible.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 04:28 PM

Hey, why let it bother you? At least now we have someone to sue for all those Acts of God.....

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 04:48 PM

Ah! Well, now that we've heard the definitive word from Isiah that should settle it once and for all. :-)

Casinos, lotteries, expensive aphrodisiacs, and political party conventions each fulfill a need of the gullible too...and they're much more common than self-proclaimed messiahs.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 05:06 PM

Hey, why let it bother you? At least now we have someone to sue for all those Acts of God.....

Really? And Moon's got deep pockets, too, I bet. Ok, who wants to be the one to start the class action? We've got some lawyers around here...

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 06:22 PM

He's got very deep pockets.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 08:03 PM

Hey, haven't you heard?

11. Thou shalt not sue the shit out of the Messiah.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 08:05 PM

I think it'd be a waste of valuable time anyway. :-) That's how I feel about lawsuits generally. It's better just to avoid entanglements with such people as Reverend Moon in the first place, I figure.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: GUEST,Practical
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 08:43 PM

Well, lets find out. Crucify the son-of-a-bitch and see if he raises from the dead.

Subject: RE: BS: Moon Proclaims Himself Messiah
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:05 PM

I read the story in the Washington Post...and spent the rest of the day walking around quietly singing Dan Bern's "Jerusalem"...

-- Gary