BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Rasener
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 01:24 PM

I agree with you Wolfgang :-)

What is very evident is that most members who have posted on this thread would like the abuse to stop, but without controls. Thats fine.

I can handle myself and do not get drawn into abusing anybody personally. I also use PM to try and sort a situation out before it gets out of hand. Invariably it is purely a simple misunderstanding. I always believe the good old simple :-) helps so much to show other members that you are not having a go.

However, can anybody come up with a good suggestion on how members can best protect people who are unfortunately getting abused through no fault of their own, as invariably they get sucked into the thread and quite often cannot compete against the proffessional abuser.

It is so sad to see good members leave.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 01:35 PM

NO- no to censorship

PS- it is a very interesting poll.   There are many people on either side of this issue who never agree with each other on any other topic. (Example- how often do Bobert and Doug R agree?)

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 02:27 PM

...can anybody come up with a good suggestion on how members can best protect people who are unfortunately getting abused through no fault of their own

Perhaps a PM of support explaining why you're not launching in to the abuser on an open thread. That would greatly reduce the temptation for them to get sucked in. And it reduces the temptation to get sucked in yourself, which is probably a greater temptation for many people.

People don't actually need protecting so much as solidarity. And as for people who make a habit of abusing others, a boycott is probabaly more effective than a ban, and it doesn't need anyone's permission or approval.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: GUEST,Old timer
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 02:36 PM

Last I heard, mudcat belonged to MAX. Get that???? Not some villan, but MAX. So your poll means nothing. This is up to MAX to decide and if you don't like what he does, go somewhere else.

Me? I'll stay with MAX.

And I won't miss a single one of you that voted Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Rasener
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 02:36 PM

Very good points MoH, and something I would support. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Rasener
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 02:53 PM

Nobody is blaming Max. So stop getting so heated Old Timer.:-)
Of course it is his website :-)

What is important is to stop people flaming and abusing. Have you got any good ideas, because they would be very welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: GUEST,Blackcatter at work
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 02:57 PM

No.

My vote is with Max

Ironically enough, this has been one of the least flaming BS threads I've visited in quite some time.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 03:01 PM

I think something should be done about that!

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Rasener
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 03:11 PM

LMAO :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: dwditty
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 03:16 PM

Perhaps when the FCC is finished deciding how we should all feel about what Howard Stern says on air, they can come by here and tell us how we should all react to posts by guests, members, trollers, flamers, or people with a simple opinion. The rub is that what person A finds offensive, person B may not...and appointing who should decide is dicey at best. How I feel about someone's behavior doesn't seem very relevant to that person's right to be a jerk (lol). I guess I am just better at ignoring than others. Lucky me!

DW

btw...THIS IS a "no" VOTE.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: GUEST,Blackcatter at work
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 03:20 PM

Exactly - for instance, I am not bothered by what Martin does or says.

Now don't take this the wrong way, MG - but to me, you're sort of the Don Rickles of the Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 03:20 PM

Maybe if we can stop flaming and abusive behavior we can then try to solve world peace and global warming. I'm hoping we can wrap all this up by the weekend because I have plans.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Rasener
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 03:41 PM

LOL

I got to sort the Music Weekend at Market Rasen out now, so don't think I will be on too much to upset anybody over the weekend. :-)

I genuinly hope all of you mudcatters enjoy you Bank Holiday or weekend. :-)

May the sun shine warmly on all of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 04:06 PM

Blackcatter, what makes you say that, you hockey puck?

Political in-correctness couldn't have had a better ambassador.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 04:20 PM

Heh! Amusing stuff, as usual.

I vote No. Definitely and absolutely NO. Mudcat Cafe is like real life...unpredictable and full of variety. That's good.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Padre
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 04:31 PM

Yes

Padre

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 06:37 PM

Maybe.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: kendall
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 07:39 PM

The world is full of things that something should be done about.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 08:17 PM

NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If someone posts something you dont like either ignore it or send 'em a PM asking for clarification . DONT clutter the forum with Gratuitous abuse !

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: GUEST,fred miller
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 09:02 PM

i'd say no if I wasn't too lazy to re-set my cookie.

Good article about Don Rickles in the New Yorker not long ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 01:21 AM

MG - because I felt like it.

So there.

All the whiners who complain about the flaming just don't get it. That's why I like your posts - you get it and at the same time piss off the idiots. You piss off non-idiots too, but hey, no one's perfect.

And beyond that, I don't give a damn.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 07:46 AM

The flamers and abusive posters are making fools of nobody but themselves and proving that they are at best bored and at worst unstable. Just look at them as Gilbert in "Mikado" would--"a source of innocent merriment". You can bet their only source of fun is if you respond to them in kind. You however can laugh at them. The key is not to take anything they say seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 07:54 AM

After all, I suspect some of their suggestions are anatomically impossible anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 08:09 AM

In complete, and total agreement with Bobert, I vote


NO.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:15 AM

Who cares - Jerry left because of the majority's attitude about abusive personalities in general. The same reason many of the original folks don't come back here and participate. There's some jerks here and the rest of the membership doesn't seem to much care about having the jerks personalities moderated a bit for civility.

I've seen folks berated, condemned, verbally abused, and a general lack of compassion for folks who were hurting. IMNSHO this place is only occasionally good for finding music. And not all that good for that. With a few notable exceptions.

Last bastion of free speech - last bastion of assholes that have no consequences for their verbal actions is much more like it.

As a person posting as a GUEST - what a freaking crock that word - I not only have no opinion on whether or not to moderate - if I did have one as a member it would make no difference to anyone anyway. So WTF over?

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:33 AM

No.

Though said with sadness in the knowledge that good folk like Jerry might fall through the cracks for a while.

I still believe, and I have to- to keep my sanity, that people are capable of monitering themselves, and also capable of understanding that some people are either incapable of doing so, or unwilling.

There is no society that does not have it's sick and angry members, but I don't think they need also to be disenfranchised by the mudcat community.

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:38 AM

YES, I would remove all non smoking types who live in Norf Lincolnshire!

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Rasener
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 12:58 PM

But Super Ted, don't do that to me LOL :-)

Oh but hang on, I don't live in Norf Lincolnshire, I live in the Middle Lincolnshire.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: GUEST,Blackcatter
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 03:12 PM

Yet again, GUEST 11:15 AM complained at how horrible the Mudcat is - yet the idiot won't leave.

If I get bad service in a restaurant, I complain. If I don't get reasonable satisfaction, I leave and never return. The day that Mudcat becomes a place that I don't like anymore, I'll leave. I'll likely not complain, since bad service at a restaurant is something I would hope a manager/owner woud want to correct. At Mudcat, it's a different thing.

I'm sorry other good people have left, but respectfully, I don't go into threads that I know will be annoying to me. When I do go into a thread and either read a bunch of crap, of get slammed for my ideas, I generally leave and don't come back to that thread.

The church I go to is filled with wonderful people. There are some, however, who I don't care for. I avoid them. If I wind up having to work with them, I do so for as short of time as is reasonable. I do the same here. And I am supportive of Max, Joe, Jeff, etc. It is their site and I'm not going to expect them to change it. I manage two sites of my own and I hear criticism all the time - some constructive, some not. I have changed things if someone has a good idea, but generally, I'm happy with my site and will usually delete most suggestions. No one is paying for the privilege of being at Mudcat (or my sites), so no one has a "right" to decide anything.

Anyone who claims that right is a non-entity to me. As are nearly all GUESTS.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 03:20 PM

So, did anyone tabulate the votes? Where is Diebold when ya really need it.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 03:21 PM

100 yes, 0 no, 5 Pat Robertson

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Rasener
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 07:45 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Cruiser
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 08:05 PM

Pat must have prayed for those 5 votes. Let's see:

The Trinity = 3
Diebold=      2 bonus points for being an evangelical christian republican

Proof perfect that pray works.

A scientific poll (Creation Science)

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 08:15 PM

Paying for votes is a time-honoured tradition. Used to cost a few beer; now, it costs a few supply contracts in Iraq. The happy campers figure the cost (some body bags containing kids) and some civilians will not be noticed enough to skew the vote. The White House houses filth. Let's not lose sight of that as the election draws closer. So, what will buy your vote?

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:00 PM

I can buy paying for votes, but praying for votes is dirty pool. Not to worry, though. This site is programmed to ignore Pat Robertson votes.
So, hey, anybody want to bribe me?
Shambles?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: GUEST,Tam the bam (nutter)
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:18 PM

I vote No.
I do not believe in any form of cencorship excuse the spelling, i have on occassion being writting terrble things on the mudcat, but the reason for that is because I get angry at some of the comments that some people write, but after I have read their comments I say that I am sorry.
I don't believe that anyone should be censored at any time free speech for all.

NO

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:58 PM

Come on Joe - for years I thought you, katlaughing, Art T. and WYSIWYG were the only honest folks here.


I could be wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:51 PM

I dunno Blackcatter-- I AM from Chicago. We DO vote early and often. But no, I have not figured out how to make praying pay! Yet! :~)

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 02:26 AM

Les. Middle Lincolnshire sounds sort of "Lord of the Rings'ish" you know middle earth and all that. I think "Mid Lincolnshire" and proud of it also "Non-smoking" and proud of it ted!! When we travel...which we do often...we go to enjoy music..not to cause consternation by poisoning the lungs of those we go to see or perform for.
You 'ull lot are terrible.. They should deport you all to Dublin where the pubs are non smoking. LOL. Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 04:27 AM

No Joe I do not want to BRIBE you.

Are you then open to OFFER?

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:38 AM

Whaddaya mean thought we were, Blackcatter? I am wounded to the core to think you've changed your mind about our honesty!**bg**

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Devilmaster
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 03:00 PM

Just wanted to add my opinion and say no.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Blackcatter
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:51 PM

Mea culpa, my dear kat.

My trust in human nature does have bounds. I will trust you and the rest (and actually, that list should be longer) about as far as anyone I know, but if I feel a sharp pain in my posterior, I'm going to check to see if I'm getting screwed. . .

From one cat to another - meow.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Bernard
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 10:14 PM

YES

I used to spend a lot more time on Mudcat than I do these days... I don't agree with censorship, but I do agree that mindless thuggery is morally wrong.

The difficulty is deciding where to draw the line, and who is to draw it...

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: pdq
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 10:29 PM

Shambles - you must make it an Offer he can't refuse!

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 12:32 AM

Yeah, Blackcatter, we're honest - nobody's offered us a penny yet.
...and they're not likely to.
-"Honest" Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: M.Ted
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 01:22 AM

Just a little reminder of what you have all voted to accept--and thanks and a tip of the hat to Martin Gibson---


Subject: RE: BS: Supermarkets destroying Communities
From: Martin Gibson - PM
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:12 PM

You are both girlie men.

You Ron Davies and fool troupe, are about as intellectual as roadkill. You both wouldn't last in a high school debate or on a mean city street.

As for my musical ability, you both prove to be completely ignorant as this is just a typical example of making your pompous assumptions on not knowing all of the facts.

ie. You have not heard me play or sing over the last 40 or so years.

You fools troupe display all of the maturity of a sad, bitter old man, set in your ways. You are so removed from your youthfulness, that you can only think inside your own very small box. It's the type of maturity that allows me to use shit language on you full knowing that it DOES yank your chain and will get to show how easily it is that you offend in all of your political correctness.

It's pretty entertaining.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 02:16 AM

Just a little reminder of what you have all voted to accept--and thanks and a tip of the hat to Martin Gibson---

The question(s) were not if we like vandalism - but we all would be foolish not to accept it as a sad fact. Accepting what you have no power over (the postings of others') is a good start to at least ensure that we all do not become vandals.

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 02:55 AM

Thanks, MTed, for the reminder of why I voted "yes."

Blackcatter...I feel a sharp pain in my posterior, I'm going to check to see if I'm getting screwed. . . could it be just a claw and not a screwing? *g*

I'll see yer "meow" and raise you one phit of a hissy.:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting
From: JennyO
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 07:32 AM

And thank YOU Shambles, for a reminder of why I voted NO. I'm with Shambles on this one!