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Subject: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Rasener Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:12 PM All this poll requires is for each member to vote yes or no to the following. Guests votes will not be included in the final anaysis. Vote YES If you want the moderators to take a very strong approach to mudcat members who FLAME or are abusive to other mudcat members. Good humoured banter is not the issue. Stop guests being able to contribute to mudcat threads. Only allow them to read threads. Make guests post in a seperate section that is moderated and abusive posts removed immediately. Have a "report to moderator button" when a thread seems to be getting out of hand. In such cases the thread is locked until the issues are sorted out. Vote No If you don't agree. Remember guests do not get a vote, so any posting from guests is ignored. At the end of the day, I think most decent mudcat members do not want the abuse that seems to be going on at the moment, to continue. I have to say that I am getting alarmed at the amount of abuse that is being handed out by the minority, which is causing good mudcat members to leave the forum. So "Stand up and be counted" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: katlaughing Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:15 PM Yes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: jimmyt Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:16 PM yes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: maggiethecat Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:17 PM yes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,The Newt Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:22 PM YOU BETCHA! You've bought my vote there Villan. Now the, who shall we nominate for Mudcat Guest Gestapo Coordinator to take on the job? It'll be grand to watch the round-up. You can sell tickets to support Max and his poor wee indigent family! A Guest "Free Speech Zone". I love it! Did you get that idea from the Democratic Leadership Council? Thanks there Villan, et al. This is the best laugh I've had all day! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Amos Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:26 PM No. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Rasener Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:29 PM Sorry forgot to vote YES |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Bill D Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:30 PM 'yes' to the concept 'no' to the details, which are much too complex to administer easily just a requirement that 'guests' must choose a name, even if they don't register, would satisfy me. really abusive posts would continue to be deleted and certain threads closed at the discretion of Joe or Jeff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:31 PM NO!! I am against censoring any of these posts. This is not Disney World. I don't care for anonymous guests either, they are gutless trolls. The flaming is wrong. However, I despise the suggestions you have made. You are suggesting creating a "thought police" and I am dead set against that. This supposed "abuse" is something we all need to deal with. I was flamed a few weeks ago by a guest and I went off the deep end. It was my fault for becoming a victim. Closing down all the bars will not cure alcholism. Everyone needs to deal with this as individuals. I hate the premise of this thread. Can I get a moderator to remove this????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Clinton Hammond Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:36 PM Yes... But I think -Stop guests being able to contribute to mudcat threads. Only allow them to read threads. Make guests post in a seperate section that is moderated and abusive posts removed immediately.- Are unnecessarily repetitive |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Cluin Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:36 PM Who's deciding this stuff? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Rasener Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:37 PM I understand what you are saying Bill D, and accept "yes in concept. This is a serious YEs or No situation. If we start commenting then it will soon become flamed. That is not the intention. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,The Newt Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:38 PM That's right. If BillD doesn't get his way about MAKING guests be members, then he is gonna...keep pissin' and moanin' about guests like everybody else does! Ironic, isn't it, that Jerry Rasmussen left because he was fed up with asshole members, yet the best solutions that have been offered to solve the problems follow along these lines? CROWD: Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her! BEDEVERE: How do you know she is a witch? VILLAGER #2: She looks like one. CROWD: Right! Yeah! Yeah! BEDEVERE: Bring her forward. WITCH: I'm not a witch. I'm not a witch. BEDEVERE: Uh, but you are dressed as one. WITCH: They dressed me up like this. CROWD: Augh, we didn't! We didn't... WITCH: And this isn't my nose. It's a false one. BEDEVERE: Well? VILLAGER #1: Well, we did do the nose. BEDEVERE: The nose? VILLAGER #1: And the hat, but she is a witch! VILLAGER #2: Yeah! CROWD: We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah! BEDEVERE: Did you dress her up like this? VILLAGER #1: No! VILLAGER #2 and 3: No. No. VILLAGER #2: No. VILLAGER #1: No. VILLAGERS #2 and #3: No. VILLAGER #1: Yes. VILLAGER #2: Yes. VILLAGER #1: Yes. Yeah, a bit. VILLAGER #3: A bit. VILLAGERS #1 and #2: A bit. VILLAGER #3: A bit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: greg stephens Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:40 PM NO Of course I dont like abusive anonymous crap. But I like these proposals even less I'm afraid. They are designed to deal with a real problem that annoys most of us greatly, but the solution propoed is worse than the problem. Sorry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Deckman Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:45 PM I vote "NO." (does that surprise you?) If you think that reguliar members are leaving MC, just wait until you see the numbers of "moderators" that will leave if this plan is put in effect. I learned, some time ago, that the easiest answer to flamers is also the MOST effective. Just ignore them. I'm still amazed at the number of long time MC'ers that seem incapable of NOT RESPONDING to jerks. In my own case, there are two regular catters that, if I even see that they have posted on a thread of interest to me, I quit that thread. Notice that I did NOT say that I challenge them to some kind of a pissing contest, I just leave the thread. I hope, given time, enough catters will catch on and those very offensive catters will find themselves locked in a room, all by themselves, pissing each other off. In the meantime, I've got a LOT BETTER things to enjoy. CHREERS and THANKS to all. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Rasener Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:45 PM No problem Greg. Its a vote |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Raedwulf Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:50 PM Yes. In principle. In practice... Who appointed you to ask, never mind decide? So this'll be another pointless thread that you can respond to or ignore at your pleasure. Much like all the rest that the Clones rarely deign to take notice of, then? So it'll have what effect then? Bugger all... Yep, that's what I thought... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Bill D Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:51 PM *grin*...great, Ron Olesko...."I hate censorship..please delete this thread" newt...if I don't 'get my way', I will still be here, and "pissin' & moanin'" will be the least of my concerns. I have opinions, and I sometimes state them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,The Newt Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:56 PM Ah Uncle BillD, please tell us more bedtime stories about the wicked guest witches. Did they lock them up in a Free Speech Zone tower at the edge of the political wilderness? Did they ever burn any of them? And did they eat them all up with barbeque sauce? Please Uncle BillD, tell us ANOTHER wicked guest witch story! Please! Please! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Bill D Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:02 PM tsk..you see, Villan? They don't stop. Funny *I* should be flamed by a guest who is posting like I suggest, WITH a name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: DougR Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:06 PM No. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Don Firth Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:10 PM I'm pretty much in agreement with Bill D, 25 Aug 04 - 05:30 PM, but as he says, administration would be the problem. Probably best to leave things as they are, so I guess my vote is "no." I've tried what I thought was "good natured banter" in response to being flamed, but I've come to the conclusion that it's counter-productive. Joe Offer was right in his notes to newcomers and it seems that it also holds for Mudcat vets as well: ignore the flamers and the trolls. Mudcat is too good a resource for all kinds of things, I like it here, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let the vermin drive me out. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:11 PM No. Villan, you are pure evil. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,The Newt Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:11 PM Face it BillD. The guests have got you surrounded. WE WILL WE WILL HAUNT YOU! WE WILL WE WILL TAUNT YOU! You see, we've been through the desert on a horse with no name... Oh, the maddening irony! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:12 PM If we censor "abusive" today, where do we stop?. Do we censor "obscene" tomorrow? How about "politically incorrect" next week? Surely there are some folks who would be delighted to see us censor "heretical", "sacriligious", or "contrary to the national interest". How about "not in line with proper vegetarian thinking", or "all posts that promote alcohol abuse"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: khandu Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:12 PM No |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: wysiwyg Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:12 PM I abstain. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:14 PM No Just boycott the posters who poison the place from time to time. Don't reply to them, don't acknowledge them, don't even read their posts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:15 PM Lynch me please, you lovable Mudcat mob you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:17 PM I know I can't vote, but can I be milk monitor? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Clinton Hammond Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:19 PM "wait until you see the numbers of "moderators" that will leave if this plan is put in effect" Sounds like a good reson to do it right there! This place even HAS moderators? Coulda fooled me.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:23 PM that was a good one, Guest! I vote YES to GUEST as official milk monitor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:25 PM No, just write on the blackboard, " I will not cause irritation and chafing to The Villan for the rest of my life." 500 times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,The Newt Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:26 PM Only if I get to be the sidewalk crossing guard, and carry the STOP flag, Guest 6:17. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM I think that I will vote again. Here in Chicago you can vote early and often. So, No. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Jim Dixon Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM No. I could support a milder solution, but the one proposed is too drastic. For instance, if you had proposed restrictions that apply only to BS threads, I could support that. I would not support any system that did not allow guests to request lyrics or make comments about music. I am concerned that people who post only to music threads won't even notice this thread, thus biasing your survey in favor of restrictions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM And again: No |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: robomatic Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:33 PM NO |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,milk monitor Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:34 PM At last I've got a name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,SueB Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:35 PM Are these really the only options? Then, no. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:36 PM This is starting to look a lot like the Florida elections in 2000, isn't it? I feel so...dispossessed. My vote won't be counted. Yet so many gather around screaming about it, just like in Florida. To speak a Roddy Doyleism, I guess us guests are nothin' more than the Mudcat's niggers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:36 PM BillD said it very well: "'yes' to the concept 'no' to the details, which are much too complex to administer easily." The devil is in the details. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Metchosin Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:37 PM No |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:38 PM Villan, you are now losing big time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,The Newt Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:39 PM Congrats there, milk monitor! I've been using this one for a couple of threads now, and I have to admit it's growing on me. Truth be told, I'm just waiting for one of the guest witches to turn me back to a regular cookie carrying member of the mob, so I can play burn the guest witch too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,milk monitor Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:40 PM Robbed! I've just realised I still don't get to vote. Someone chuck in a NO for me please. Newt : no problem. The job's yours. MG : sorry all out of chalk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:41 PM Well, as you can see, there are conflicting opinions. Some people want one thing, and some want the complete opposite. Seems like there's no way to keep everybody happy, but we try to keep a balance. What more can I say? We will continue to delete serious racism and personal attacks when we see them. We just can't play host to that sort of stuff. It's still true that the very best way to deal with flames and abuse is to ignore them, to act as if offensive posts were invisible. That "discipline of silence" doesn't seem to happen around here as often as it should. I would like Mudcat to be a gently, friendly place where people feel comfortable - and I'm deeply embarrassed when it's not. Right now, it sees that too many people around here just want to do battle. I'm sorry, but no amount of editorial work will change the essential spirit of things here. We do what we can to put out fires; but peace has to come from the community, not from some sort of editorial enforcement. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Cluin Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:42 PM I think you're missing an opportunity here. Maybe you'd like to pole a few guests. It'd likely be quite painful for them and you'd get something out of your system. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: artbrooks Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:43 PM I can't agree with these very different issues being lumped together, so no. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:50 PM ummm...nice play on words there Cluin....I think. |