Song for Yankees when they lose

Subject: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Susan A-R
Date: 06 Oct 04 - 09:05 PM

When the Yankees win, they play a Recording of Frank Sinatra singing New York New York. There's a rumor that there's a Liza Manelli (sp) song that is played when they lose, Anyone know it?

As a Red Sox fan, I gotta know.

Susan A-R

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Peace
Date: 06 Oct 04 - 09:09 PM

Whether the Yanks win or lose, "New York, New York" plays in the stadium. If it's a win, Frank sings proudly with the band. If a loss, Liza Minelli sings it - slow and sad.

This is from a google of liza minelli, yankees, lose game

Don't know if it's true.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Susan A-R
Date: 07 Oct 04 - 08:00 PM

Thanks, I'll keep that slow, sad theme in mind. Along with THEEEEE YYYANKEES LOSE, THEEEEE YYYYYYYYankees Lose.   (one always homes)

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: GUEST,chinmusic
Date: 08 Oct 04 - 03:15 AM

Susan A-R
I loved your John Sterling reference. I'm a Blue Jay fan, and we don't have any piece of music to play, after a Jays victory. Of course, this happened so infrequently this season, there was no real reason to line anything up. Perhaps I'll form a small glee club for the '05 season, and we can come up with a song. However, if it's as dismal a campaign as it was this year, there's no threat in losing our voices because of over work. Good luck to the BoSox this time around. Lord knows, you guys deserve a championship. Perhaps you're aware of the story about the father and son from Boston, who were watching the game on tv and saw Bill Buckner commit his infamous error against the Mets. At that moment,the father turned to his kid and said, "son, the Red Sox killed your grandpa, and now they're coming for me."

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Susan A-R
Date: 08 Oct 04 - 09:59 PM

Well Chinmusic, they did it tonight, although it was the hard way. I'm just praying that my uncle with congestive heart failure missed that stretch between the seventh and tenth inning. It's a rough life.

It was hard to have the Jays doing so badly this year, usually I fall back on rooting for them when the Sox fall apart.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: GUEST,chinmusic
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 03:31 AM

Susan A-R
If the Yanks and BoSox wind up in the AL final, I'll be rootin' for the Beantowners. When the Jays won back to back World Series championships in the early 90s, I knew these were times to savour. Methinks Boston has the starting pitching over NY this year, but with the game of baseball, anything can happen. Though both clubs have lineups that can wear any pitching staff out, I do believe the combination of Pedro and Curt Schilling will provide the difference. Post season is all about pitching and defense, so we shall see what happens. I would like to see a Red Sox/Cardinals World Series. That would be one hell of a Series, then perhaps, some ghosts could finally be put to rest. First, the Yanks have to dispose of the Twinkies.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 09:16 AM

"First, the Yanks have to dispose of the Twinkies."

They did so, and handily, last night. Although the Twinks did hold their own pretty well on Wednesday night in NY.

As a Twins fan, I don't know which was more depressing last night--the game, or the presidential debacle.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: GUEST,chinmusic
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 07:00 PM

Fellow Guest- My choice of the word 'dispose' was perhaps an unwise one, since I'm not a Yankee fan at all. However, I'm kind of torn in regard to this issue, because I would look forward to another Yankees/Red Sox matchup. I think it's sports greatest rivalry, and I would love to see George's Evil Empire finally go down in flames to Boston. On the other side of the coin are the Twins, the little team that could. I don't like their owner, but the Twinkies front office, and manager, are first rate. Being from Toronto, I can certainly relate to the underdog. Anyway you want to cut it, I'm just enjoying playoff baseball.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 01:21 AM

Susan A-R et al, I'm a diehard Sox fan myself and I can't wait for Tuesday.
I remember of course, after Bill Buckner's infamous boot that he was sos depressed that he went to the Subway (T) and tried to throw himself in front of a train, but it went through his legs...
And we all know what Bill Buckner, Bucky Dent and Aaron Boone have in common?
The same middle name...














Fuckin'.


God I wish Rick Fielding were still around for this.

Seamus

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 10:18 AM

The curse gets broken this year. You heard it here first.

Seamus - you have been around here long enough to know the fuckin' rules. When you are going to tell a joke such as the Buckner/Dent/Boone joke above, you owe us all an "underwear alert". I now have to go change my shorts as a result of soiling them. Don't make me call your Mother.

Mick, a HUGE Red Sox fan.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:34 PM

Mick, I'll second that! Go Sox!!

Seamus ( I got my cookie back)

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:38 PM

And I second your wish, I wish Rick were here to see this too.

Mick

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: GUEST,chinmusic
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 02:23 PM

A word about the Yanks/RedSox series in a moment. I would like to comment on the unfair playing field between the haves, and have nots, in MLB. I noted this morning that the Twins are probably going to lose a few key players this winter, due to free agency. Some are eligible for arbritration, which could further muddy the process. This is simply how CBA operates, but when was the last time a team, say like New York, had to let one of their great young players go because of financial constrictions. Until MLB finds a way to make teams more financially competative, things won't change much. The luxury tax is a joke. Wealthy teams just say to hell with it, and pay the penalty. I am not on the owners, or players side, of this issue, but simply pro fans. Just in passing, what the hell have all the strikes been about over the last thirty years anyway? Things haven't changed much. For all of the success of the smaller market clubs like Oakland and Minnesota, they'll still lose many of their stars when their free agency time comes up. Makes a fan lose heart. End of rant.

       Though I hope the Bostons finally defeat the Yankees in a big series, I have no emotional investments in either team. I'm just looking forward to seeing some passionate, and good ball. Keys to the series maybe the state of mind of Marino Rivera, following the accidental deaths of two members of his family, in Panama. I look for Trot Nixon to be a pivotal force for Boston, since I've always admired his grit and ability to come through in the clutch. The health of Curt Schilling's ankle will be another key. For New York, there's always the Derek Jeter factor, and status of their starting pitching over a seven game series. I like the BoSox in 6 games.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Cool Beans
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 04:55 PM

Go SOX!!!

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Susan A-R
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 09:21 PM

Thank you Seamus!! I was young and not quite so jaded back in 86 and I went to sleep after the 8th inning thinking that the Sox had won the World Series in that sixth game. I want that feeling back again, it was awesome!! Of course, I then woke to the terrible reality.

Mick, I'm glad to hear that this is the year. Will they still be beating the Yankees when we are at the getaway?

Theee Yankees Looooose

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: GUEST,Tinker's Son
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 10:16 PM

Yankees are going to win due to two reasons, 1. They are the BETTER team. 2. Because Pedro Martinez stinks, so you guys just need to accept that and move on. Thanks to the curse of the bambinio.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 12:52 AM

THE SOX AND HOUSTON IN THE WORLD SERIES.
That'll be the headlines in a week or so.
And won't it be great to see Curt, Pedro, Tim, Derek and the others beat Clemens!
Not that I care one way or the other.....
As long as the Yankees lose to the Sox.


Seamus

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 01:33 AM

Wait ...... Tinker's son????? ...... which son?? Are you the son of our Tinker, she of the clan of the mother hen who keeps the rest of us layabouts on the straight and narrow? She who must not be challenged or a painful death will occur? She of the bawdy damn blues song (you didn't hear that from me, son.) The camera master, the black belt in documenting every song, skit, joke, and bodily function, at major Mudgatherings?

Son, ....... your place in Heaven is assured.

But, and remember that ole Uncle Mick tried to be gentle ...... the Yankees are going to get a down home, going to Jesus, no two ways about it, buttwhuppin'. Got it, son? Now, go get yourself a Coke, sit in the corner, and smile when Boston fans speak to you. There you go.

Uncle Mick

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 01:39 AM

Aaawww, Mick, that was so sweet. You big softie!

F**K THE YANKEES!! F**K THEM ALL TO HELL!!

See Mick, I can be sweet and gentle to those Huns too.

Seamus

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Tinker
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 08:37 AM

Honest I tried to raise 'em right. I was born and bred a Massachusetts girl. My first born first saw the light of day in a Boston hospital for goodness sake. But living in the New York Metro area has warped their sensibilities when it comes to sports.

"...sit in the corner, and smile when Boston fans speak to you..."

The only one who can get that rule enforced is my Dad. Sorry Mick, but all four of my kids consider Uncles fair game when it comes to sport loyalty. Even my brother the Patriot season ticket holder has yet to find a way to shush their analysis.... Oh wait he seems to enjoy egging them on... Kinda like the folks here....

Today's rumor around the house is that the curse will once again prevail. It has already begun with an injury laden pitching staff .... It seems to be the only thing all four kids can agree on.

tink

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 12:54 PM

Tinker, disown them, and cut them from your will.
See how quickly they'll come around to the correct way of thinking then! Ha!

Seamus

Go Sox!

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 01:31 PM

Haven't checked in on this thread for a few days...

Big Mick! I you were really such a long-time BoSox fan, you would already have KNOWN the middle name shared by those three guys, and therefore not have fouled your skivvies!

I grew up near New York as a Giants fan (they weren't always in San Francisco, you youngsters out there) and later, in '62 -- like all the other Giant and Dodger faithful -- learned that I had been a Mets fan all my life. I have no great attachment to the Yankees, but don't hate 'em either (having grown up peaceably with so many Yank devotees).

The financial disparity among MLB teams, certainly, is disruptive to competitive balance and therefore unfair not only to the "have-not" teams, but also to *all* fans of the game. However: even though a low payroll may prevent a team from enjoying great success, a high payroll does not guarantee anything at all. Witness my hapless Mets, and also Steinbrenner's pre-Joe-Torre Yankees. Boss George couldn't buy a championship for many years, no matter how hard he tried, no matter how many mangers he fired, and no matter how many times he re-hired Billy Martin. But now, with a truly brilliant manager in charge, the Yankees have once again become a "dynasty."

I'll be watching the Sox-Yanks series with great interest, but no rooting interest at all. On the one hand, I would love to see Boston finally get a break and win the Big One for a change; on the other hand, as someone who truly admires Torre (and Derek Jeter, too), I wouldn't feel badly about a Yankee victory, either.

Of course, come the next and final round, I'll revert (out of habit, if nothing else) to my lifelong allegiance to the senior circuit and root for the NL representative in the World Series, be it Houston or St. Louis.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: GUEST,Cleany
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 01:38 PM

For some reason they play Sweet Caroline at Fenway a lot. I believe this is the RS year.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Perdan
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 01:56 PM

I think someone needs to sneak a copy of "Tessie" into Yankee Stadium
"Boston, you are the only, only, O-O-nly!"

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: GUEST,chinmusic
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:46 PM

PoppaGator-
I have great respect for Joe Torre. He's always been a classy gent, with great ability to harness the egos in the dressing room, and get the most out of their talents. However, do you think he would haved fared any better than Lou Pinella, with this year's Devil Rays? So, what I'm saying, is that any manager also has to have the horses to win. Sometimes there are exceptions to this rule, but this is pretty well the case. Joe Torre has been the perfect manager for the Yankees 'dynasty', but I think it goes much further than that. Under GM Brian Cashman, the Yanks have spent their money more wisely during his tenure, but just the same, he's had access to Steinbrenner's large bankroll. All GMs should be that lucky. This has allowed him to fill the holes with all-star talent, in so many positions. It may still be a bit of a crapshoot, but I'd take my chances with that situation, any day of the week.

    Like myself, you remember the old days of baseball, when success was predicated on a good front office and a productive farm system. The Yankees have as much money invested on the their bench, as do some clubs in their regulars. Look at the standings in the AL East over the years, and basically they're the same at every year's end. Regarding the NFL, for example, and you'll see competative balance in that league. This is because of a salary cap. It may not be the perfect solution, but it gives fans hope, in NFL cities.

    I may not have convinced you with this side of the issue, but I think it worthy of discussion. I happen to think that Boston has a deeper starting staff than the Yanks this time 'round. Without Petitt and Clemens on the staff, I don't think the Bombers are nearly as strong. Still, this is a New York/Boston playoff, and we usually know who comes out on top. However, not this year, in my humble opinion.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 04:05 PM

chinmusic,

I agree with everything you just said. Of course, Torre wouldn't do a better job with the Devil Rays than Sweet Lou -- not better enough to make much of a difference, anyway.

But not everyone can make a winning team (or even a "team" at all) out of a collection of stars. It's a rare and special talent; Joe's got it, and the Yanks need it. None of Torre's recent predecessors -- by "recent," I mean since Stengel -- could do the job, despite George's free spending.

Joe Torre's performance is similar to that of one of my favorite personalities in another sport -- Phil Jackson. I was a big fan of Phil's when he was a bench player with the Knicks in their championship years, and the biggest hippie (and perhaps the smartest guy) in professional sports. As a coach, he's been blessed with the very greatest talent imaginable, and usually won. It's a tribute to his great intelligence and wisdom that he has usually gotten his superstars to control their egos and function as teammates.

You may well be right about the Boston pitching staff being better than the Yankees' this year, but I think the Yanks have a better defense, or are at least more likely to come up with game-saving defensive plays. (That is, Jeter is always capable of pulling an unbelieveable play out of his, er, whatever.) On offense, of course, both teams are super. A tossup, sez me -- of course, we'll see what happens over the next few days.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 04:27 PM

Poopa, oops, I meant Poppa, I did know their middle name. But it was the delivery ..... hahahahaha. I could see my buddy's face and in my mind I could hear him say the words. Cracks me up now, just thinking about it.

Go Sox!!

Mick

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: GUEST,chinmusic
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 04:51 PM

The history of pro sports is littered with teams that could've, and should've, but lacked that special something to become winners. This is Joe Torre's greatest strength, both as a person and manager. In Toronto, Cito Gaston had the same quality. Folks here said he had the talent, which was true, but a manager has to meld them into champions. Last year during a Yankee broadcast, I heard John Sterling deliver this wonderful line, and I thought I'd share it with you. He said,"if Ernest Borgnine and Karl Malden had a baby together, he'd have looked like Joe Torre." It broke me up, man, and all's I can say is, let the games begin!

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Blackcatter
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 05:11 PM

The Red Sox have yet to honestly exercise the curse. Until then, no amount of trying will bring them a Series.

I was just disappointed that my Angels lost to the Rex Sox, even though I knew they would. There's no poetry in the Sox losing to a team with little shared history. I think it is unlikely that the Sox will make it into the Series this year simply because the perfect poetic ending ot the year would be the Yankees ending their dreams.

Not that I'm a Yankees' fan - ther are two teams I root for: The Angels and whomever is playing the Yankees.

Salary caps will be the only way baseball will change.

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 05:12 PM

No offense, Mick -- I, myelf, am laughing yet again in response to your explanation/elaboration. But not uncontrollably -- my drawers remain (relatively) clean...

Is this really a "music" thread any longer?

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: Tinker
Date: 13 Oct 04 - 10:27 AM

This is Tinker's daughter. First off my daddy is from NY, he agrees with us; therefore, we will not be cut off. Secondly who won the first game? I believe it was the YANKEES!!!

Subject: RE: Song for Yankees when they lose
From: PoppaGator
Date: 13 Oct 04 - 12:37 PM

It was an exciting opening contest -- for a while it looked like the only reason to continue watching was to see if Mussina would get his perfect game, but the Sox came back and made quite a game of it.

As the teams get deeper into their rotations, the Yankee's shortage of quality starting pitchers will probably become evident, and the Sox should come back to make things interesting.

I'm so glad I can be interested *without* having a deep emotional investment in either team. I suppose I'd prefer to see the underdog Bosox prevail, just for variety's sake, but I don't really care that much. Some people are going to be very unhappy, whichever way it goes.