BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 04:33 PM

I'm all for celebrating Kwanzaa, or any occasion that encourages pride of accomplishment, respect for heritage and traditions and a desire to live a more moral life. Kwanzaa is not basically a materialistic celebration to sell cards (and certainly not gifts, as none are exchanged.) We don't send out Kwanzaa cards and only receive a couple a year, so this isn't a Mother Lode for Hallmark. And, most of the Kwanzaa cards I see are produced by small, black-owned card companies.

As half of my family are African-American, some only two generations removed from slavery, I see the good in the observation. Do I need it? No, I don't need it.

But then, I sure don't need the ugly, profane interchanges of this thread.

How about bringing a little peace to the Cat and deep-sixing this thread?

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: annamill
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 04:06 PM

I feel that ANY day set aside to celebrate and enjoy any reason or life is totally worthwhile!

Let's have some more non-religious, non-traditional holidays!!

What is it the White Rabbit sang .. It's a very, merry UNbirthday..?

Love, Annamill

PS: Martin, you need help and a hug, Baby..

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 02:35 PM

MG you seem to miss the point, your rabbi would not wish to know YOU if he new YOU acted in such a dispicable way as you do on here. I bet your botton dollar you would not dare speak to him in the disgusting way you do to others on this forum - hence you are a very foney individual.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 02:25 PM

What would your priest do MTed if he knew you were competing with him and Hot Carl on the young boy sex market?

In other words, leave my rabbi and my religion out of it. You don't know him and he probably would not want to know you.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: M.Ted
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 01:24 PM

Hot Carl, Martin never posts to Mudcat between Friday and Sunday because there is a prohibition against telling people "fuck you and die" on Shabbas--

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 11:40 AM

"You are pathetic. Fuck you and die."

Come come now MG what would the Rabbi say if he knew you were saying thinks like this. He would probably sow your foreskin back on and maybe not were it came from originally.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 11:33 AM

Guest, it's you who has their weenie head in your own mouth while I laugh at your sad Guest-ass.

You are pathetic. Fuck you and die.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST,bflat
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 02:29 AM

If it is important to one, two or more people to celebrate than who am I to judge? But, for a chuckle, listen to John Forester's song The All Purpose Carol, I think that is the title, for a melody that does not exclude any holiday found about this time of year.

Ellen

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 06:44 PM

Hilarious! His compulsion to have the last word is like a permanently attached tether. All I have to do is post a line or two and this weenie comes back like a paddle-ball.

How does it feel to keep banging your head like this? Oh, that's right. You've been dropped on your head so many times you don't even notice it.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 05:46 PM

And you did a fine job of it, Hot Carl with the exception of me telling you that I was too busy yesterday with family and friends while you had a lead pipe up your scabby asshole waiting for me to respond.

It's you who is pathetic. You will be out of here soon, I guarantee it, Hot Carl.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST,Hot Carl
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 02:03 PM

And what point was that, numb-nuts? You seem to be the only one who's squirming. You were gone all day yesterday and we all thought you'd given it up, but here you are, back again for more.

I'm sure that among the black community, opinions like yours carry a lot of weight.

Pathetic.

(Now you're going to come back and tell me how you don't give a shit about what the black community thinks and then tell me how pathetic I am. There. I've done all your work for you. Take the rest of the day off.)

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 12:57 PM

I only trashed morons like you, Mted. I squite successfully got my point across in this thread and had a few like you squirming over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: M.Ted
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:43 PM

It was Martin's thread, and, typically, he's the one that trashed it, though there are many who encouraged him to do it--

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:24 PM

That's because of the easily offended radical lefties who gasp and show how intolerant they really are when someone criticizes something in their narrow little politically correct world.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:04 PM

When MG started this thread it had some content-- not much, but some. Now that it's only peevish name calling on several sides, I'm outa here.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:03 PM

Mr. Ted

I have medium self esteem. Something you seldom read about.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:02 PM

Getting sadder for you Hot Carl or whatever your real posting name is.

You are toast. Burnt.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST,Hot Carl
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 03:57 PM

Getting sadder all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 03:27 PM

Actually Big Dick I mean Big Mick brought it up Mted. I wasn't responding exclusively to just your ridiculous and untrue accusations.

Do you know Hot Carl? I think he would want to meet you. I wouldn't want to meet him. He's a walking case of HIV positive disease from his encounters with his boyfriends.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: M.Ted
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 03:16 PM

I just said you need a lot of attention--you're the one that brought up low self esteem--

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 03:00 PM

Is it odd
the God Fraud Squad
of Falwell Robertson and Graham
hate the Kwanza extravaganza.

No

I think they holler
about the dollar
and loss of 20%
missed for white Christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 02:38 PM

Nom Hot Carl or Hot fece or whatever you call yourself. it was someone else, not me. I only post under Martin gibson. If you are so worried about people stealing your pathetic identity please register as Hot Carl and see how seriously anyone takes you then, you moron.

big Mick, but you were baited because you responded exactly how I thought you would. Thanks for wasting your time dwelling on it.

MTed, funny, I've been told I have a big ego. You say I have low self esteem. I say, you've nothing better to do than read my posts and respond to them. Please get a life. Or at least try to have some fun here like I do. what would your family say if they knew you date other men?

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: M.Ted
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 01:47 PM

I'm not squirming, Martin--

If you could give a damn, then why bother to do the same thing, over and over? It looks a lot like you need a lot of attention, and you say any outrageous thing you can to get it--the only thing is that you can't hold it together once you've got the attention--What would your family say if they saw string of posts you've left? Your rabbi? Your doctor?

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 12:58 PM

Martin, I have a news flash for you. Everyone here is not stupid or reactionary. Your comment about pubic hair, designed to bait me, failed miserably. It only demonstrates the point I make. You do these things to make folks dance, so you can take some perverse pleasure in it. Do you do this to make up for other inadequacies? I am just curious. You really do come off as an ignorant person of low self esteem. I don't live that far away, and I am sure we could hook you up with some counseling.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST,The Real Hot Carl
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 12:39 PM

And there, fellow unregistered GUESTs is one of the hazards of deciding to stay unregistered. Any sick-o, like, say, Martin Gibson, can log out, come back on as "GUEST,whoever," and post anything they want under that GUEST's tag.

The last "GUEST,Hot Carl", at 09 Dec 04 - 06:19 PM is not the real me. I've never even met Clinton. In fact, we're many hundred miles apart. Too bad. Although a bit surly at times, he seems to be a gentleman of clear perception (which may account for his sometimes being surly). I would happily buy him a beer, but that would be the extent of the relationship.

The prime suspect, since he is obviously warped enough, and since he is incapable of winning a battle of wits with me, or anyone, because he is totally witless and therefore has to resort to cheesy tactics like this is obviously Martin Gibson.

How sad is THAT?

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 12:31 PM

You don't get it Mted. I just don't take it seriously at all.

It's me who's got guys like you squirming. I could give a damn.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: M.Ted
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 12:20 PM

Martin is his own worst enemy--I must admit that sometimes it is funny to see how, no matter how hard he tries to be serious, within a few posts, he falls into the toilet--it gets a little tiresome to see it happen so often, though, and I suspect that, though there is fair amount of real outrage at the things he says, there are a few who bait him deliberately--remember the spirit of the season, everybody!!

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 11:45 AM

Oh, Guest you are just full of crap.

Not even clever. I just love to make you squirm. You are weak and are just so easy to offend.

Big Mick, do you wear your pubic hair in an Afro? Can you even see "it" without looking in a mirror?

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 02:49 AM

"...stupid holiday self serving to a race that thinks it's entitled to no criticism."

MG is a racist prick. i hear he's also very fat, over 350 pounds and has a dick so small that he can't find it inside all the folds. he really envies those darkies with the 10 inchers. i've heard he'll crawl on his knees for a half a mile for a chance to suck on one of those. (hey, how'm i doin' MG? when i grow up i wanna be as much of a foul-mouthed , racist, knuckle-dragging prick as you. tho nobody can ever be as good at it as you, you hot, hot , hot, hunk of flaming poopoo!)

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 10:13 PM

And by the way, Martin, it is African American, not Afro American. An Afro is a hairstyle. Have fun with that bit of political correctness.

There is something wrong with a person who uses crude terminology at the drop of a hat criticizing someone for using the name Hot Carl. The fact that you can't see that it is you that has the problem is why I say you are beyond help. A shame really, but a fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST,Hot Carl
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:49 PM

I have to admit that I have been walking funny since Clinton boned me. But there's not much there to hurt that much.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:46 PM

Who says it's accepted Frank.

Most Afro Americans don't have much to do with it from what I have heard.

And you are quite wrong when you don't think people are making money off of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 06:53 PM

Kwanzaa is no more an invention than any other holiday. All holidays were "invented" for some reason or other. Actually, Kwanzaa is an attempt to celebrate African-American traditions. No one in their right mind would insist that there are no African-American traditions. It can't be compared to religious holidays because it has more of a cultural base than a religious one. But even Christmas is more of a pagan holiday than it is a Christian one. Christ was certainly not born on December 25th according to the most reputable scholars of biblical history. The Christmas tree, the yule log and the giving of presents have more to do with pagan traditions. Thanksgiving was an arbitrary holiday declared by past presidents. Chanukkah, a festival of lights and taken for the eight days of oil that sustained Jews has it's origins in antiquity and is probably more ancient than many of the other holidays we celebrate but it was originated as a holiday by someone and is honored as a religious and a cultural holiday.

Kwanzaa is for the purpose of honoring the African-American cultural life which; I support whole-heartedly and think of it as much deeper than a Hallmark card.
It isn't for the purpose of commercialization (that is nonsense) but for the solidarity of a specific cultural group and in the same way that Christians and Jews band together culturally for Passover or Easter. To denigrate it is to also denigrate any other accepted holiday in America.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST,Martian Gibbon
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 06:34 PM

Happy Kwankaa

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: number 6
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 06:26 PM

I'll have another Moosehead .... lager

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 06:20 PM

Christmas is everyones holiday

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST,Hot Carl
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 06:19 PM

Everybody's wrong, everybody's crazy, and everybody's a pervert but Martin. He's the only person on earth who's normal.

Total psycho.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 05:16 PM

Christmas is not my holiday, so I don't care.

Most definately, neither is Kwanzaa.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Cluin
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 04:42 PM

No problem with criticism of anything at all, Martin. But you've had your say. We've heard your opinion on the subject already.
You've got nothing new to add, so now you're just trying to jerk people around (which I admit isn't too hard around here unfortunately) because you're bored or something. And I've got better things to do that deal with that, but I won't begrudge you your fun. A very merry un-Christmas to ya.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 02:37 PM

Big Mick and others.

It's actually all of you who are having the hard time dealing with it.

In you politically correct worlds it is I who perceive many of you as sick. You really can't deal with much criticism of something so you lash out and accuse.

I guarantee you a clean bill of health here and functioning quite normally with normal people. Is a Guest who calls himself Hot Carl normal?

You know what some of your problems are? when people express their true feelings on something your undies start to crawl up your crack. and Big Mick, from what I understand you have one big crack.

I think Kwanzaa is a stupid holiday self serving to a race that thinks it's entitled to no criticism. it makes you the sick one when you try to suppress the feelings of others.

Cluin, so what if Kwanzaa is here to stay? If it's here to stay, you had better get used to criticism of it and anything else that is about bullshit. So, you deal with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST,Hot Carl
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 12:04 PM

If MG isn't a latent closet queen, then why does react the way he does?

Classic!

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Cluin
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 11:18 AM

I'm with Big Mick on this one.

Whether you think Kwanzaa should exist or not (I do; one more holiday is no bad thing in this increasingly hectic world), it is here to stay. Kinda like Bush Jr. in the White House for the next 4 years. Deal with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 10:53 AM

MG is indeed beyond redemption, he is a sick sad old bastard who does not care for the well being and feelings of others. You are correct he is to sick in the head himself to see the sickness involved for others. He will reply he does not care about others, which is again proof of his sick moron traits.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 10:31 AM

Yes it is an invented holiday. Yes it is recent. They all were at some point. They could only be celebrated for centuries if they started somewhere.

Kwanza was started by a people who became one on the basis of discrimination. The thing that caused the discrimination, slavery, beatings, murder, and destruction of the varied native cultures that they came from, was the same thing that brought these peoples together. It was their skin color. It was the common bond. As they went through their trials, eventually a common desire to tie to the various cultures that spawned them emerged. And so these peoples created a holiday. They created it to share the beauty of these ancient civilizations and their values, but more importantly it was created to reclaim the pride in where they came from. That is not a bad thing, nor is it deserving of the vitriol with which this person spits out the predicate of this thread.

Martin Gibson points out a sad fact. He points out that intellect and decency have nothing to do with each other. Often the sadist, or the perverse person, is intelligent, in fact above average. Martin takes delight in seeing you all dance. I wish he could see the sickness involved, but he cannot. He is a lost cause and if I had my way, I would ban him indeed. But the rest of you can help yourselves. You can cease playing the game that he wants you to play. He says this stuff so you will react. That is how he derives what passes for pleasure in his sick world. But then again, maybe this is how many of you manage to get some pleasure too.


Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Peace
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 11:25 PM

The more things change . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 11:22 PM

Who cares?

I don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 11:19 PM

Martin---

Most Mudcatters disagree with you on the "feud" business.   And I think most are probably tired of it, likely also bored.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 09:08 PM

Read, idiot Guest. No one said they did anything in front of me you stupid moron.

Clinton, I just love to yank your smarmy faced chain. You are a fool. And you think anyone else knows what you babble about? Hardly. Except maybe one of your butt buddies. Go stick your Hot Carl up your ass far enough until it's in your mouth.

Martian, Happy Mars attacks day. Ack. Ack.

BTW, Ron, I still say it's not been a feud. It's just been one 6 month long yank of your politically correct fat ass, that's all. Happy Holiday to you, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 07:23 PM

"it's just that I have no use for them and their perversions, that's all. they can do as they want as long as they don't do it in front of me..."

They did it in front of you?!?!

Where were you hangin' out buddy?

Subject: RE: BS: Kwanza is an invented non-holiday
From: GUEST,Martian Gibbon
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 06:46 PM

Happy Hanukkah