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Subject: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 14 Dec 04 - 08:43 PM Well, looks as if Donnie has shot off his mouth one too many times, not to mention his arrogant micromangaing a war he knows nothing about, and so it looks as if his time to go is near... So how long does he have? Would Bush ask for his resigantion just before Christmas? Horrors!!! I'm picking January 7th. That oughtta give Bush a little time to be sure to get someone who doesn't have a closet full of skelitons... Your pick? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Peace Date: 14 Dec 04 - 08:48 PM Sounds good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 14 Dec 04 - 08:48 PM Before the 14th of January 05. But it will appear self-selected. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: CarolC Date: 14 Dec 04 - 08:48 PM What did he say this time, Bobert? You weren't too far off on your date for the start "Shock and Awe", so I'm going to assume you're probably right about this one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: CarolC Date: 14 Dec 04 - 09:40 PM Was this it, Bobert? Rumsfeld Talks Armor: Disgruntled troops watch Defense Sec. eat live anti-tank mine |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Bill D Date: 14 Dec 04 - 10:34 PM *giggle*...maybe a 'slight' transcription error or two there, but a pretty good representation of the tenor of the discussion. Well...I think Rummy will last a bit longer than that. I give him 6 months. Let's say May 20, just to toss off a date. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: GUEST Date: 14 Dec 04 - 10:40 PM Retroactive to December 01, 2004. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Rapparee Date: 14 Dec 04 - 10:45 PM Right after the Iraq election. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: freda underhill Date: 15 Dec 04 - 07:24 AM Memorable Quotes by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "I would not say that the future is necessarily less predictable than the past. I think the past was not predictable when it started." "We do know of certain knowledge that he [Osama Bin Laden] is either in Afghanistan, or in some other country, or dead." "Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war." "I believe what I said yesterday. I don't know what I said, but I know what I think, and, well, I assume it's what I said." "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know." "If I said yes, that would then suggest that that might be the only place where it might be done which would not be necessarily accurate.It might also not be inaccurate, but I'm disinclined to mislead anyone." "There's another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn't exist." "Well, um, you know, something's neither good nor bad but thinking makes it so, I suppose, as Shakespeare said." "Secretary Powell and I agree on every single issue that has ever been before this administration except for those instances where Colin's still learning." "Learn to say 'I don't know.' If used when appropriate, it will be often." "I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit down with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure he knows what they know that he may not know." "As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." "I'm not into this detail stuff. I'm more concepty. "I don't do quagmires." "I don't do diplomacy." "I don't do foreign policy." "I don't do predictions." "I don't do numbers." "I don't do book reviews." "Now, settle down, settle down. Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here." "If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 15 Dec 04 - 09:13 AM It would be Jan 7 or earlier, except that Condis has already accepted the consolation prize. I bet she won't let Bush sack Rumsfeld until she's completed a minimum reasonable stint at the State Department. Say a year? Thanks for the quotes freda. His politics may stink, but there's something of the flawed genius about this guy. Part of me is pleased to see him up there on the world stage, where tedious zombies normally hold sway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Pied Piper Date: 15 Dec 04 - 09:51 AM The sooner the Evil, Weasel-worded Machiavellian hypocrite is removed from any source power (except perhaps the electric chair) the better. PP |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Bill D Date: 15 Dec 04 - 05:02 PM It would be sort of a shame to lose that source of memorable, tortured, linguistic ramblings...but I can live with the loss. I think Rummy is kept around to supply the LONG version of what Bush tries to say. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Peace Date: 15 Dec 04 - 11:41 PM And he does it as well as Bush, too. Has anyone ever seen them in a room together at the same time simultaneously at once with each other as a separate pair of two people? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Wolfgang Date: 16 Dec 04 - 09:54 AM I'm picking January 7th. (Bobert) 2009? Wolfgang (grin) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: GUEST,heric Date: 16 Dec 04 - 10:16 AM What are you all on about? We haven't even started on Syria yet! 2009 it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Ebbie Date: 20 Dec 04 - 09:04 PM "A majority of Americans want Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to step down, according to a poll released, as the Pentagon (news - web sites) chief faces a barrage of criticism over his handling of the Iraq (news - web sites) war. "The CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll shows 52 percent of Americans surveyed want Rumsfeld to resign, while only 36 percent say the embattled defense secretary should remain at the post he has held since 2001. "His approval rating has dropped from 71 percent in April 2003, when Iraqi president Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was toppled, to 41 percent in the new poll. Gettin' Closer |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Dec 04 - 10:03 PM Whoa up here a minute. This looks to be a worthy contest and all as the sooner this goofus is gone the better. Yes Fionn, there is some of the flawed genius about him but the flawed part outweighs the genius part by about a thousand to one. Anyway, I'd like to enter this thing but there doesn't seem to be any prize listed. So what do you get if you win? A blowed up Hummer or what? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 20 Dec 04 - 10:14 PM Jus the hummer, Spawzder... Jus the hummer... If yer lucky... But, hey, wouldn't it be worth if jus' to get rid of Dummysfeld? Nah... Didn't think so... Ahhhh, anyone out there got a spare hummer fir Spawzder if he wins? Whoe! Get back! Hey, first come, first served... No buttin' in line, gol dang it... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: CarolC Date: 20 Dec 04 - 10:23 PM Blowed up Hummer. I just wanted to see what it felt like to say that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Dec 04 - 10:27 PM It does you good to speak "Shitkickerese" every now and then Carol!!! I like the effect sometimes. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 20 Dec 04 - 11:55 PM Well, some Hummers are blowed and some blowers are Hummers, too. Polly-wolly-Doodle-All-the-Day happens to be a favorite of mine. ANyone know it? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Ebbie Date: 21 Dec 04 - 02:04 AM Fare thee well, fare thee well Fare thee well, my fairy fey Well, I'm goin' to Lousiana for to see my Susianna Singin' Polly-wolly-doodle-all-the-day! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Peace Date: 21 Dec 04 - 03:37 AM WAIT A MINUTE HERE! I just reread the title of this thread. Does it mean that if we guess correctly as to the day he departs that we have to date him? If so, I withdraw my agreement with Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Wolfgang Date: 21 Dec 04 - 06:55 AM I must admit I share Peter fascination with that man('s way of talking). As much as I dislike his politics, Rumsfeld stands out among his peers in that Bush government. He is the least typical politician among that crowd. I'll miss him for that if he has to go. We cannot expect that the politics will change with another secretary of defense, we only can expect to be sold the same politics by a person unable to formulate a sentence like If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 21 Dec 04 - 07:58 AM Yeah, I reckon we'll all miss his Agnew-isms but not the man.. "Henny penny! If you've seen one old vase you've seen 'um all..." in reference to the looting of then Iraqi musuem... Amusing on the surface but very dengerous thinking just under the surface, Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: GUEST,petr Date: 21 Dec 04 - 08:01 PM not to mention that he's too busy to actually sign the letters of condolence to the families of the kids who died in Iraq. I guess having someone rubber stamp his signature is so much more efficient, wouldnt want to waste the mans time. (at least hes acknowledging that someone has actually died) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 21 Dec 04 - 08:45 PM Ebbie: Lyrics? I was talking about hummers -- can you hum it? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 21 Dec 04 - 08:50 PM Good recovery, pal.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Donuel Date: 21 Dec 04 - 09:12 PM He is indispensible since he is a founding member of PNAC and architect of the famous "what we need is a Pearl Harbor event" which he wrote of exhaustively in his requests for money to Congress. In a pinch you could move Armstrong (PNAC founding member and Goering look alike) over to Rumsfeld's slot. Of course Danny Qualyle is available and is also a PNAC founding member but even in an age where nothing surprises me - this would. If I have the PNAC planners pegged correctly I say they would rather martyr a fallen hero than have one so central to their whole scheme ever step down. In any case a whole lot of shredding would have to be done before the question of resignation could be taken seriously. no resignation for Donnie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: DougR Date: 21 Dec 04 - 10:37 PM I think Bobert has it about right. January 7, 2008. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: tarheel Date: 21 Dec 04 - 10:56 PM after today's massacre in iraq,i'll give him til jan.3rd... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Sorcha Date: 22 Dec 04 - 12:59 AM You really think this is gonna happen? IF it does, on any of the specifed dates, I'll donate the prize....I just gotta think of what it's gonna be....I have several ideas.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: GUEST Date: 22 Dec 04 - 10:18 PM jan 20, 2009 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: CarolC Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:40 PM If tarheel is the same person as tar_heel (aka, Chuck H.), and if he is serious in calling for Rumsfeld's resignation, then I suspect it will happen because of people fairly high up in the administration (or other very powerful people) pushing for it. In other words, if someone like tar_heel wants it, most likely it's becase FoxNews (or an equivalent right-wing news source) has told him to want it. And if FoxNews is telling people to want Rumsfeld's resignation, it's because someone with a lot of power wants it. This could get interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: LadyJean Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:44 PM I'm betting Rummy will be with us until spring, at least. He's an incompetent, but he's Bush's special incompetent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Ebbie Date: 23 Dec 04 - 01:37 AM Sadly, I don't think we - or he - know what is coming around the corner. If I were he - heaven forfend - I'd think it might be better for me to "resign" and get out of there before I got blamed for the really bad stuff still to come. We haven't hit the bottom of this one yet, folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Peter T. Date: 23 Dec 04 - 06:43 AM What is the point spread here? How many more Americans dead are we talking between now and the day he resigns or what? yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 23 Dec 04 - 08:34 AM Piggy-backing on Ebbie's observation, I was listening to CSPAN on the car radio a day or two ago and they had some guy who teaches at the Navy War College, which I must confess to having never heard of... Anyway, this guy was talking about how the Defense Department spends a lot of time planning for events 20 to 25 years out... Maybe that's wht the Pentagon is having so many problems in Iraq. They're too bust thinking about the year 2024 which is fine but Iraq is currently 2004... Now back to the contest... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 26 Dec 04 - 11:16 PM But when you ask Rum to explain why there was so little prediction in Iraq, he replies because things are unpredictable. Bobert, the Naval War College in Monterey, California, is a graduate school for warmongers who get to think up new technical tricks, new theories, new angles on old technologies, and anything else that will get them their MS and PhD degrees. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Wolfgang Date: 01 Mar 05 - 01:08 PM I think it is the right time now to refresh this thread. Everyone may explain now why they have erred and pick any new date between tomorrow and January 2009. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: gnu Date: 01 Mar 05 - 01:17 PM Has anyone got when hell freezes over? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 01 Mar 05 - 01:19 PM I erred because I misunderestimated; also, as a contributing factor, I was wrong. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: CarolC Date: 01 Mar 05 - 02:22 PM I saw in an article today that Rumsfeld is thinking about not attending a conference in Germany because of the possibility of being prosecuted there for war crimes. Here's a story about some of the law suits that are being brought against him for human rights violations: Suit Alleges Rumsfeld Approved Torture SEEKING DAMAGES "The plaintiffs want the court to declare Rumsfeld's actions unconstitutional and a violation of U.S. and international law and are also seeking monetary damages for their injuries. All eight are willing to come to the United States to testify. The plaintiffs -- four Afghan citizens and four Iraqis -- allege treatment that included beatings, being cut with knives, sexual abuse and humiliation, being locked in coffin-like boxes for extended periods, being deprived of food and water and threatened with execution and being hung upside down for hours on end. Arkan Mohammed Ali, a 26-year-old Iraqi held for a year from June 2003 to 2004, alleges that U.S. personnel twice beat him unconscious, used a large knife to repeatedly stab and slice his forearm, burned and shocked him with a small metal device, locked him naked for several days in a small wooden box, urinated on him and made death threats against him. Mehboob Ahmad, a 35-year-old Afghan citizen held for five months in 2003, said he was probed anally, hung upside down from the ceiling by a chain and hung by his arms for extended periods. Soldiers once forced him to drink 12 half-liter bottles of water in five minutes. The mistreatment of prisoners became an international scandal after the appearance last year of pictures showing sexual abuse of men -- naked and bound -- at Abu Ghraib. The administration led by President Bush (news - web sites) says only a handful of low-ranking personnel were involved. Dozens of other cases have been brought against soldiers for abusing detainees elsewhere in Iraq and in Afghanistan but previous efforts to charge senior officers and administration officials have not proceeded very far. An August 2004 report by a panel appointed by Rumsfeld stated that he and other top Pentagon leaders contributed to an environment in which prisoners suffered sadistic abuse at Abu Ghraib." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Wolfgang Date: 01 Mar 05 - 02:58 PM Rumsfeld was at a security conference in Germany last month. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Wolfgang Date: 01 Mar 05 - 03:05 PM Thew law suit in Germany against Rumsfeld has been turned down (terminated, or however it is called) four weeks ago. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: CarolC Date: 01 Mar 05 - 03:11 PM Yes. I see now that the article I was looking at was published on Feb 4. Here's what it says: "Rumsfeld also said Thursday he may skip a security conference in Germany next week because of a lawsuit filed there by a New York-based group accusing him of war crimes involving Iraqi prison abuses. The lawsuit was filed in Germany because its laws allow for the prosecution of war crimes across national boundaries." http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-rum04.html I guess he must have decided to go after all. Too bad they didn't nab him while he was there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: CarolC Date: 01 Mar 05 - 03:25 PM Crossposted, Wolfgang. Too bad about the law suit being thrown out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 01 Mar 05 - 05:37 PM Just goes to show ya that this Bush guy is a purdy danged good to his employees. Whole lot better than CBS, that's fir sure, who fire a bunch of folks over Bush's AWOL story... even if it isn't really a story... but fact. But, no, you can screw up all you want with Bush and face no reprecusssions what so ever... Wonder if he'd give me a job??? I can screw up with the best of 'um... Sho nuff can... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: GUEST,Claymore Date: 02 Mar 05 - 03:13 PM Bobert, I can say with tongue in cheek, that as long as you vote for Democrats or Liberals, you will... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 02 Mar 05 - 06:29 PM Well, Claymore, my friend, you'll probably never have to worry about me cancelling your vote out 'cause I ain't partial to votin' fir Dems. Though, sniff, I did vote for Dale Manual 'cause he got a speed limit sign set up on my road... Hey, prolly didn't stop the speeders but it's somethin'.... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Wolfgang Date: 14 Apr 06 - 11:30 AM refresh Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Wolfgang Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:12 PM refresh, so that you can check how accurate you were now we know the date of his resignation for sure. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Sorcha Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:38 PM I don't believe it!!!! YES! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: catspaw49 Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:40 PM It's a start.....a small start, but a start!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 08 Nov 06 - 07:59 PM Hmmmmmmm??? I'll have to go back and study the predictions to see who has won the grand prize... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rumsfeld Resignation Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:06 PM G'wan -- nobody got close. A |
