BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Burke
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 07:48 PM

Schenectady    Nehemiah Shumway
Schenectady concluded
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Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 05:49 PM

Yes, and Ashtabula too! They got mentioned once in a Dylan song, but that's about it so far...

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 04:53 PM

oh, durn! Now it's just a matter of time until we hear from Walla-walla, Oshkosh, Kennebunk and Cuckamonga!...and could Coeur d'Alene be far behind?

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 04:40 PM

Is it a suburb of Albany or Amsterdam ? Maybe Gloversville! :-}
There is some beautiful country along the upper Hudson.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 01:10 PM

"Schenectady, all their troubles seem so far away"
In Hull it looks as though their here to stay,
Ok I believe in Schenectady??????
Hull will do.
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Leadfingers
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 12:23 PM

Schenectady can stop being jealouus of Hull when there are as many catters and regular playing and singing Folkies THERE as there are currently in the fair Borough of Kingston upon Hull !

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: MaineDog
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 12:04 PM

YES

I used to go to the Niskayuna Festival. It only lasted a few years, as I remember. George and Vaughn ran it. Sparky sung there one year (the same Sparky who recently passed away??) .

Also, not too far away, was the Fox Hollow Festival. Who remembers that?
MD

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: GUEST,Mayor Stratton
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 12:04 PM

It warms my heart hearing all these kind words about our fair city! I was also pleased to get a response from the Lord Mayor of Hull. I must say that that is a pretty impressive title for a civic official, but it would never sell in the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: GUEST,bRUCE bAILLIE
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 12:03 PM

...Ah, but does Shenecwotsit have a town council as useless as Hull!
I bet they don't!

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 11:55 AM

Jeri, I've got "Milton" on one forearm and "Keynes" on the other! Just looks a bit odd if you stand behind me ...

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 11:33 AM

Burl, I remember the festival (was one of the kids that put on the first one in '73). What I don't remember is what years I went, who was there, what happened, etc. It's just a function of being at that teenage to adult turning point, and it seems I brain-dumped a lot of earlier memories. I wish lists of performers existed somewhere on the net so I could remember what I should remember!

Niskayuna means 'braided waters', I believe. Larry Older wrote a fiddle tune (plus banjo tab) which I still have a copy of here. I believe George Ward did the banjo tabs. Vaughn may have done the tune, but I'll have to look.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 11:23 AM

Sken-ECK-tad-ee. Nobody is EVER going to figure out how to turn it into Hell by changing one letter, and nobody is ever going to get it to rhyme comfortably with anything in an amusing, piss-taking pome.

Consider:

Hull is dull, Orillia is sillia
Could say Milton-Keynes was built on beans, but willia?
To write a poem, it's heck to be
Looking for a rhyme for Schenectady

Steve, just try to get "Milton Keynes" on a tattoo!

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 11:22 AM

I sang in Schenectady circa 1976. It was a festival held at the Niskayuna High School, organised by the pupils of the school under the guidance of George and Vaughn Ward. Anybody remember it? I sang in Hull many times from 1964 onwards. Anybody remember that?

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 10:50 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that all English cities (as distinct from towns) have, as Les points out, a Lord Mayor, not the ordinary sort you have in the US. Lichfield, which had county status until the 1970s, even has a sherrif (scroll down to the second pic).

I've got a t-shirt with "Hull" on it: I don't think you could get "Shenectady" all on one t-shirt. And it would be a bit of a bugger as a tattoo, too.

Steve (in Milton Keynes -- the only city that's a town)

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Les from Hull
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 10:29 AM

Kingston upon Hull was so named in the 12th century by King Edward I. It is, of course, the King's town upon the River Hull. I presume that Schenectady was named by somebody with a bad attack of hay fever.

Schenectady may be in the State of New York, but Kingston upon Hull is in the county of Yorkshire. I don't have to say any more than that,

And we no longer have a mayor here in Hull. We have a Lord Mayor. So there!

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: GUEST,Lancashire Lad
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 07:37 AM

There's nowt to be jealous of old lad!

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 07:32 AM

Skin-ect-addy

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 06:10 AM

Syd Scarboroughs closed down a few years ago, too much competition from Asda and Tesco etc, selling cut price CD's, they could not compete, so went bust.
It's now an internet cafe.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 05:44 AM

The Godfather of Shetland music is 'Peerie' Willie Johnson. Born in 1912 Peerie Willie [Peerie or peedie is a dialect word for wee/small ] used to listen to music on the old valve radio, and one of the stations he listened to was Schenectady. this article mentions some of the background. I have searched for a sound clip but can't find one. So another song mentioning the name, how many are there about Hull?
Giok :~)

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: fat B****rd
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 05:33 AM

Yeah , but does Schenectady have Sidney Scarboroughs where I once bought Honey Hush by Joe Turner ??

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 05:29 AM

And I can't even pronounce Shenectenadywhatthefeck.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 05:28 AM

As I slide down the bannister of life I will remember Hull as a splinter in the arse. [ note correct spelling of arse all you Americans ]

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: GUEST,Mayor of Hull
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 04:15 AM

Hello chaps! This is the Mayor of Kingston upon Hull, England.
I would like to say that your Schenectady sounds quite an excellent place but we have things that you could never consider having in our fine City.
We have Knights of the realm, like Sir jOhn, who I believe you might have come across on this fine "Mudcat Cafe".
We have characters such as Flamenco Ted who is a fine Flamenco guitarist.
I could go on about the characters but no! The point I wish to make to all you Mudcatters in or near Schenectady is!
At Hull or within 100 miles of Hull, are some of the finest Folk Clubs/sessions/performers in the whole of England. Such entertainment as they provide is available, within that distance, EVERY night of the week, should one choose to go to them all. Indeed on some evenings there is a wide choice of types of Club to attend.
We have had the pleasure in this area of welcoming "Mudcatters from all over the world who have gone back to their homes with a most pleasant set of memories of the Clubs and the music.
I do not agree wholeheartedly that flamenco is the true path but Hull most certainly is where Folk music is concerned.
I remain yours sincerely Richard Head, Mayor of Hull.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 04:00 AM

Schenetsdydhh ? What? How the hell do you pronounce it then? Even you Yanks can pronounce Hull, but shcendyddnyd?

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 03:58 AM

Good morning to you all from sunny Hull.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: GUEST,Someone who actually studied Mohawk
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 03:40 AM

Yo Mr. Mayor...Ask any Mohawk..
It means:

"Beyond the Pines" and generally referred to any area from Schenectady on down. It's one of those slightly indeterminate Iroqouois place names that people have translated several ways just like Oneonta which means "Up on those hills" or "the hills over there" depending on who you ask. If I can get it together enough to consult one of my notebooks, I'll type it in as it is written out in Mohawk.

I guess Beyond the Pine Plains sounds better. Since Schenectady is acxtaully a VERB in Mohowk (just about everything is, maddening I know, but that's the way the language works) it's hard to give an exact english rendering.

Schenectady is indeed a lovely place, much lovlier than Hull could ever hope to be and far less likely to sink beneath water any time soon. Surely an advantage.

Last time I checked ...in the late 1980's mind you, there were even a few places to hear some good folk music. Perhpas there are even more now. Do tell.

It also has the advantage of being NORTH of Albany but not so far north as to require fluency in French.

Being North of Albany is nice because it provides a person with relief from all those pesky drunken college students from the 75 universities that seem to be clustered in and around Albany. I exagerate, I know...but it sure seems that way at times when you see the lines of staggering, puking kids on Central Avenue waiting for a Green bus.

Schenectady rocks.

It is also almost exactly half-way between NYC and my Mom's house in Star Lake NY. (where one DOES need french) Good place to stop off for a bite on the great trek north.

Hey Ho Mr. Mayor! Glad to hear a shout out from Schenectady whether it is beyond them there pines, at the end of said Pines or smack dab in the middle of them Pines. AT least you're not in The Pine Barrens of NJ!

There is, however, a place called Pine Plains in Dutchess county NY. Very pretty town. Spooky cemetery too.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: curmudgeon
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 08:37 PM

I was in Schenectady once with a fellow New Englander. We went to a restaurant which was featuring fried clams. Needing a home cooking fix, we ordered them. The fried oysters were delicious -- Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 08:27 PM

Now, Jeri,

I am SURE Hull has stained glass...


8-{E

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 08:26 PM

And Schenectady has that lovely theater, pictured in the upper right of the top banner. I'm sure the mayor could tell you more about it.

I used to love driving around the Stockade area. Every house seems to have a small stained-glass window where the stairs began. Does Hull have those? I think not!

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 08:12 PM

and Schenectady is a lot closer to my muse...

8-{E

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: beetle cat
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 08:10 PM

Hey, and schenectady is better because it's Mayor posts on Mudcat.
Don't see Hull's Mayor here!
Does Hull even have a mayor?

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: beetle cat
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 07:59 PM

How about Schenectady songs?
"I Can't Spell Schenectady"
"The Burning of Schenectady"
(both in mudcat threads)
Any More??

-Mary of Brooklyn.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 07:54 PM

You're breakin' my heart, Stratton. My keyboard is wet with tears.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: GUEST,Mayor Stratton
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 07:47 PM

We don't want your kind in Schenectady, Chongo.

Moving on...

The name "Schenectady" is derived from the Indian term, "End of the Pine Plains".

Thomas Edison moved his operations here in 1886; the venture eventually became General Electric.

Schenectady was the filming location for the 1998 movie, "The Horse Whisperer" and the 1973 movie, "The Way We Were".

Well-known residents have included:
· Mickey Rourke, actor
· John Sayles, director, writer, actor
· Ann B. Davis, actress (housekeeper on "The Brady Bunch")

Historic sites and museums: Schenectady Museum, Schenectady County Historical Society Museum.

Colleges and universities: Union College, Schenectady County Community College.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: beetle cat
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 07:26 PM

There is a Hull in Massachusetts too.
or is it Connecticut?
no, it's Massachusetts.
That's where the lifesaving museum is.
They have good tea. : )
I'm drinking some now.

But yes. Hands down, Schenectady wins.
I have a friend there. His name is Andrew.

May I ask, where did Schenectady get its kickin' name?

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 07:15 PM

A dumb grifter who came from Schenectady
Paid five bucks for a quickie vasectomy
Said the Doc, as he flaid
With a rusty switchblade
"It worked fine for that kid's tonsilectomy!"

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: PoppaGator
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 06:56 PM

Laxative chocolate?

I didn't know Hull was *that* important!

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 06:55 PM

I think of laxative circuit breakers and muddy switchgear.

I've been to Hull and the best thing about it is driving on to Hannibal. Or Marblehead. Or even Palmyra.

Oh, wait, you mean the one in England. Sorry, I think of Hull, Illinois.

There was a young man from Schenectady
Who a surgeon snipped for a vasectady....

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 06:48 PM

When I hear Shenectady I think of GE circuit breakers and switchgear.
With Hull that is muddy estuaries and laxative chocolate.

No contest really.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: GUEST,Mayor Stratton
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 06:37 PM

That is so true. We consider the name "Schenectady" to be the coolest name for a city there is. When you hear the name Schenectady, you know right away that it has to be a very special place. When I hear the name "Hull" on the other hand I think of being stuck in rush hour traffic. It's a mind-numbingly dull sounding name in my opinion. In fact, Hull even rhymes with dull. How about that!

Schenectady doesn't rhyme with anything. That shows you just what a unique place it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: beetle cat
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 06:25 PM

Schenectady, that is.
MB

Subject: RE: BS: Brooklyn jealous of Schenectady.
From: beetle cat
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 06:22 PM

It certainly has a cooler name..
-Mary of Brooklyn.

Subject: BS: Schenectady jealous of Hull
From: GUEST,Schenectady City Council
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 05:55 PM

We in Schenectady, New York are incensed at the undue amount of attention given here to Hull, UK, otherwise known as Kingston Upon Hull. It's ludicrous and unconscionable. Hull is not nearly as important in the general scheme of things as Schenectady. Schenectady has been the site of several important historical events, and is located in New York, the Empire State, greatest state in the Union. Hull is a flyspeck compared to Schenectady.

See our beautiful city here:

Schenectady, New York

We expect the Mudcat gap that is presently favoring Hull over Schenectady to be resolved before the beginning of 2005 or we will be forced to take legal action.

* Mayor Brian U. Stratton, Mayor of Schenectady *