BS: Is folk music a religion?

Subject: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 02:29 PM

Posted this somewhere else but thought it might be worth a few thoughts in its' own thread.
Now that Jedi Knight has been recognised as a valid religion, then perhaps we should start our own church, name suggestions welcome.
Then we could become an opressed minority overnight, and people who made rude remarks about folkies could be tried for blasphemy, and if found guilty they could be sentenced to listen to Elmer P Bleaty records for 5 years. We could claim that our religion required us to sing in pubs with a load of our mates, and as it would be a religious ceremony we don't need a PEL. we could elect Bishops, and Archbishops, we could have Folkies and Tarts theme parties We would be entitled to have a Folking Archbishop sitting in the House of Lords, he'd fit in well with some of the folking idiots that are there already.
How about, The Folking Church ?

Giok:~)

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: gnu
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 02:46 PM

And there would have to be an associated school... Folk U.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 02:55 PM

Anything's a religion to people that take it seriously enough. Anything. Why not folk music? My religion is dames, guns, good food and drink, and paying work.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:07 PM

Sounds a good idea until you think about schisms.We already know the folk fundementalists,nay, bigots even, but then there'd be a breakaway by the happy clappies;an Irish sect would evolve; arguements would ensue as to what songs could be sung at services and if they could be accompanied by instruments or not;a sect would form that only played the tunes; a new sect would demand dancing services;then there'd be wimmin only meetings; a male only breakaway sect would open the first folk church brewery;edicts would be passed demanding that tankards and beards be worn at all times or excommunication would follow.
I can see it all clearly.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:12 PM

...and I suppose Buffy SAINT-Marie gets automatic canonization?

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:16 PM

No, she gets the pioneering dike award, presented by Ellen Degenerate.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: gnu
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:16 PM

or reverberzation ?

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:23 PM

Cool! And we could take days off school and work just to sing!! Religious holidays!

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:47 PM

a 'dike' keeps rivers and oceans from flooding property. Buffy is more talented than I thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:50 PM

Where would the 'Little Dutch Boy' stick his finger?
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:53 PM

Whoe would Ellen Degenerate share her strap-on with?

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:00 PM

dIke

dYke

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:04 PM

Bill H

I appreciate your expertise on the subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:10 PM

Buffy Sainte-Marie gets automatic canonization regardless, as far as I'm concerned. And she's no dyke!

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:14 PM

Does that make Dick van Dyke an oxymoron?

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 04:54 PM

We can't get two people to agree on what folkmusic is. Now it's gonna become a religion? Oooooookay.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 05:12 PM

In our new Church of Folk Music, Joe Offer will be important.

He will be in charge of preaching to the choir.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 05:23 PM

I would join, if i weren't already a member of the Church of Don't-give-a-damnism. (No, really, i am..)

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 05:40 PM

Bill H?

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 05:51 PM

In our new Church of Folk Music, Bobert will be important.

He will be in charge of holding...

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 05:54 PM

Well that's great, we have schism to start with...that'll save time.

LOL!!! BPL!!

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:19 PM

"I see it, but I don't believe it!"

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 11:24 PM

I ain't gonna be an altar boy. That's final.

Is there gonna be an altar?

(Say, do y'all need travelin' outhouses for the church? I can get you a great deal.)

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 04:45 AM

Is Martin Gibson the new anti christ ?

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Peace
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 05:12 AM

Martin Gibson is a little devil. The anti-Christ lives across the hall from me. He gets all stoned at odd hours and plays this bloody rap music at 10,329 decibels with lots of bass. We had words a few nights ago--morning, actually. Basically, it was a brief conversation that involved the use of a few polite words. Things have been quiet since. He's a quiet guy when he isn't making noise.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 06:23 AM

The travelling outhouse IS the church. It is where one can sit and ponder the big questions of the day such as E# or Fb. Lower pitched farts, of course, can be troublesome.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Peace
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 07:39 AM

I'll say. Like leaving a room filled with unconscious people is definitely UNcool.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 07:55 AM

Well that's me out of it ........ I'm not joining ANY religion

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 07:58 AM

Not so much a religion, more a way of life.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 08:17 AM

I don't think some people are taking my thread seriously, like what it was intended to be ;~)
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 10:07 AM

How can anybody?

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 10:10 AM

Aye Martin; there's the rub.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 11:11 AM

Stop rubbing it then.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 11:14 AM

Rub it if it feels good.

stop when you don't need to any more.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 12:18 PM

How do you know when you've reached that point?

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 12:33 PM

Some people need to be told everything, don't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 01:06 PM

I like your new spectacles

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 24 Dec 04 - 04:09 AM

Can you type a little louder please?

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Bassic
Date: 24 Dec 04 - 04:23 AM

On the first day Goik created Folk
On the second he created Morris
On the third day he did research at Sharp House
On the fourth day he created Old Time
On the fifth day he created Bluegrass
On the sixth day he thought it was about time for a revival
On the seventh day he had a day off and went to a session in the "Ferrit and Laptop"

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Dec 04 - 06:30 AM

Morris!! Nah mate you can't pin that one on me.
Giok
[or am I Goik? I get so confused]

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: 42
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 07:57 AM

In Canada there would be some serious tax benefits to being a religion...church property would not be taxed for one thing.

j

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 08:01 AM

I think the question (though well meaning) is rather understating the situation a trifle.

Paraphrasing Vince Lombardy - Folk isn't everything - it is the ONLY thing.

#8^)

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: GUEST,Crystal
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 12:46 PM

If folk music becomes a religion what is Cecil Sharpe? The savior or the anti-christ? See also Bob Dylan.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 01:08 PM

This gives rise to a weird vision of Maud Karpeles as the BVM.
WOWEEE!!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Songster Bob
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 02:59 PM

"I see it, but I don't believe it!"

-- Wrong! It's religion, so the phrase is, "I believe it, but I don't see it!"

And the "Do you need to be told everything?" remark brought to mind a joke with the punchline, "Put it in, pull it out! Damn it, lady, make up your mind!"


Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Amos
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 06:02 PM

Of course folk music is not a religion. It is merely a form of time-travel.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 08:57 PM

Will there be human sacrifice?

There were in some of the old religions, and if we're gonna be traditional...

Of course, we might make allowances for vegetarians, and only sacrifice wheat germ...

Just some stray thoughts that have apparently not occured to others, or they were too politic to post.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble, who's been known to pour a horn of honey wine at the foot of some old tree.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Bert
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 11:51 PM

Nah, Mudcat is the religion and folk music is it's object of worship.

Martin Gibson is a girl and her name is really Kay Harmony, which could account for the obsession with dykes.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Bert
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 11:57 PM

And we get to have a Gargoyle on our church.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 02:24 PM

Hey Bert, I'm no girl, but I'm hearing you're butt fucking Ernie.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: tarheel
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 03:36 PM

i look on the folk music scene as a cult...they all look as if they just woke up from under a rock or come out of the cracks of the walls,everytime a festival is near by....
i have never understood the long pigtail on the guys nor the long hair on the gals...
to me,that combination does NOT a musician make!
and just because thery play in a smelly bar room somewhere in the UK,does not make them a great entertainer either!
when you are the customer and drunker than a cpooder,all music sounds great...no matter who the performers are!
oh,i'm happy that we don't dress up for performances like we did back in the 50's...cowboy hats,boots, coat and ties...anything to make you look nice and clean!
and,your music was clen then too!
no dirty words,or dirty moves on stage....
just a staight performance...(Of course Elvis changed all of that!)
dang,i miss the 50's!
the decade before the hippies and comtemporary country music!

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 03:39 PM

tarheel, you forgot to mention that the prayers of the folk music religion require braying and warbling.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 03:49 PM

Oh do shut up you idiot.

I think folk music is reminiscent of ancestor worship in various religions - especially Pagan Roman religion where the lares and penates, the spirits of the ancestors and the household, had their own cult. By singing these songs we honour our forbears, their loves, struggles, disasters and triumphs.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 04:12 PM

Ooh-Ah Cha Cha Cha.

Was your ancestor Puff the Magic Dragon? do you honor his struggles, disasters, and triumphs by singing his song?

do you pray to the Glen Yarbrough warbling folk music idol>

Pagan roman, my ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 04:14 PM

It all sounds a bit dodgy to me. All very well if your forbears were gallant sailors, or buffalo hunters, or roving jacks of all trades.

but what if they were quantity survryors, carpet layers and hairdressers - these people never get honoured with folksongs...

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 04:25 PM

Maybe Ooh-Ah's forbearers were hairdressers.

Maybe they were Cha Cha dancers.

Or even guys who worked in Hot dog joints.

I don't know.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Bert
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 04:46 PM

LOL Kay.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 04:59 PM

How's Ernie, Bert?

Hope he's not sore.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 05:57 PM

I think Martin Gibson is almost a cult.
Giok :~)

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Bert
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 06:08 PM

He'll survive

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: tarheel
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 07:39 PM

hehehehe,with a name like Martin Gibson(obviously a nick name of sorts...)he has to be a cunt...oppps,cut....geeezz...cult!!!...lmbo...
too funny!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 11:07 PM

No cunt where these legs come together, Hoss.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Teresa
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:15 AM

When I was fifteen, I heard my first "Celtic Music" and truly had a religious experience.   Same with old-time Apppalachian music, and subsequently world music. I could feel the primal nature of it; something timeless and ancient and soul-stirring. So, for me, yes, it has that feeling, along with nature and the recognition of truly human virtues.

And, Giok, I can't help laughing about your prerequisites/conditions. :)

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 04:13 AM

I am lucky enough to have two forbears whose occupations provide a lot of folk songs - my great-grandfather sailed around Cape Horn to San Francisco and a great many of my others were illiterate farm labourers, which I'm very proud of (resist that temptation Martin! Resist it!). Also soldiers but only wartime recriuts - great uncle died at Passchendaele.

If you sing 'Puff the Magic Dragon' and think it folk music you are a real sad bastard Martin. (Actually I forgive you, I think your outbursts rather fun).

I agree with you completely Teresa. Folk music has the power to make you feel connected to the past in quite a spooky way - I remember the first English song I heard, it was 'Brigg Fair' and all my hair stood on end. "I had that sense of recognition...here was something I'd known all my life, only I didn't know it..." (Ralph Vaughan Williams, on discovering English folk music).

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 10:00 AM

Ooh-Ahh Cha Cha Cha, you're right. Puff the Magic Dragon is not a children's folk song.

It is a rap song about gay militant lifestyles.

Please get a grip. but glad you like what I post, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 05:18 AM

Isn't that 'Poof the magic fag-on', Mr Fartin' Gibbon?

OOOOOOOOH YESSSSS!!!! (I just got a good grip).

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Peace
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 05:35 AM

Out with the old and in with the new.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Peace
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 05:57 AM

The first folk song I recall hearing was that classic done by Lonnie Donegan (sp?). I do not remember the title, but the first line went, "Does your chewing gum lost its flavour on the bedpost over night?" Ever since then I have loved folk music.

The first American folksong I remember was "Flying Purple People Eater."

These songs have stayed with me, almost religiously, and they define the parameters that enclose what I consider to be folk music today.

Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 10:06 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Is folk music a religion?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 10:44 AM

As religions go, folk music is one of the best.