BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago

Subject: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 06:30 PM

This is not the only case of prophetic paintings I have done.
Some can be viewed here http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins
PS
I updated my website for the 1st time in 4 years.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 06:46 PM

Donuel:

Impressive, mate! and even if they were not prophetic, the works alone would be impressive.


A

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 07:20 PM

It happens. I've written songs with an imaginary scenario and a few years later the exact same story really occurs.But then if you read, listen and extrapolate you can do it too!

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST,Jaze
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 07:54 PM

Very impressive paintings,Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:09 AM

This is most interesting, Donuel. Do not be so quick to react negatively to words like "psychic". All people have some innate psychic ability, but most do not consciously put it to use. The fact that there are money-hungry charlatans posing as "psychics" is no reflection on that whatsoever.

All people also have a potential for prophecy, but their minds are usually focused on something else. You evidently have some of those doors of perception open, and it's finding expression through your creative abilities.

The human spirit lives beyond time, but the human mind perceives events within the timeline. The spirit can easily tap into future events, but most minds do not accept much conscious input from the spirit. Your mind appears to be more flexible in that regard, and that is where your prophetic abilities are coming through.

Ultimately, we are all One spirit...and at that level of consciousness one exists completely beyond time. One never dies. The mind dies, the body dies, the spirit (which is pure, eternal awareness) does not. You are not your mind or your body, and neither am I. We are Spirit, temporarily using our limited minds and bodies in a mortal drama. We can all prophesy from the level of Spirit.

Little minds will either believe this sort of thing merely as a learned religious superstition...or they will ridicule it altogether as a fantasy, if they are of a non-religious persuasion. In either case, they are entirely missing the boat.

I will continue to view your work with great interest.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:54 AM

Don,

You are nothing short of remarkable, and I am in awe of your work.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:32 PM

Little minds will either believe this sort of thing merely as a learned religious superstition...or they will ridicule it altogether as a fantasy, if they are of a non-religious persuasion.

Wow! Bang on. How do you do that?

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:53 PM

I just relax, admit that I actually know nothing (despite my mind's alarmingly large library of accumulated "facts" and opinions), surrender...and it becomes obvious. I also hang out around anyone I can find who is clearly wiser than I am, and I read books written by people who are clearly wiser than I am. And it happens...

Spiritual progress is inevitable for anyone who truly desires it...but you have to watch not to get impatient!

And only about 1 person in 1,000 (if that) truly desires spiritual progress...or even thinks about it. Most people think about survival, sensual pleasure, emtional satisfaction, avoiding pain, being "right", securing gain, mating, fun, prestige, success, attention and approval from others, and profit.

They say, "Spiritual progress? I don't have time for that!"

Donuel - Is that a tiny little Washington Monument that I see in your asteroid-launched tidal wave coming down on Washington D.C. picture? If so, that's a hell of a big wave! If it happens, there will be utterly nothing left on the Eastern seaboard afterward. That's a pretty numbing thing to consider, even as a hypothetical possibility.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 01:53 PM

Very fine work of art, as usual.

However, the theme of a big wave has been all over the media in the last years. The German magazine DER SPIEGEL has several tsunami articles in the last year, a German film crew has started filming a tsunami catastrophe film in September (the showing date was to be April, but they'll postpone that now), many scientific articles about asteroid hits in the past and the probability of such in the future have been printed in the last couple of years. Any good artist picks up the themes that move the people. There is no need for long theories for a very common occurence.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:02 PM

That's one way of looking at it...

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:09 PM

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 04:04 PM

Pluritas non est ponenda sine necessitate

so there were TWO William of Occams who said it differently? *grin*

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 02:10 AM

Thanks for the nice comments regarding this hobby.
The Washington DC tsunami was based on the premise that if a 5 KM asteroid hits the Atlantic Ocean it would produce a tidal wave 1 mile high. I don't know if I got the scale exact but a 1/4 mile one way or another wouldn't make much difference.
Living in the DC area one finds huge deposits and chunks of shocked white, pink or orangish quartz that was produced from an asteroid impact that struck nearby forming the Chesapeak Bay. Also because of the impact many layers were blown away so very old dinosaur fossils abound here.

.......

As for picking up the buzz from like minds out of the ether, I think we all have that experience. Unexplained insight is probably more ubiquitous than we are willing to admit. All that differs are the "like minds". For example Brittany Spears will have different predictive insights than Steven Hawkings.

.......

If I upload 15 of my images on my website everyday, I will catch up on this updating project by summer. I wish I could maintain 2 obsessive hobbies at the same time. I have all but completely ignored music projects.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST,Morris-ey
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 12:03 PM

And your point is?

I would have been impressed if you had predicted when and where this "tsunami" of yours was to occur.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 01:15 PM

It is nasty and absurd to suggest that I care to impress morrisey or make a natural disaster mine, but the picture does depict Islamic Asians.

As I said before I only notice the striking similarity of some pictures to actual events after the fact. With the exception of some editorial political cartoons I make no conscious effort to predict the future.

John Titor was however extremely accurate in predicting the future...but he may have had an advantage that is hard to imagine.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 01:50 PM

It is nasty and absurd to suggest that I care to impress morrisey or make a natural disaster mine, but the picture does depict Islamic Asians.


I think Morris-ey has a valid point. There's nothing prophetic about anything that occurs AFTER the fact. The people in your picture Donuel look to me like an Arabesque crowd, nothing at all like the poor bastards that died after the tsumani. And while I can see it might be logical to assume some or all of them may be Muslim ... just what does an Islamic Asian look like anyway? And why is the water in your picture not coming in from the sea? There's no tsunami depicted at all.

It's too soon for this sort of flippancy, mate.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 02:05 PM

lol When will it be time for flippancy. I love flippancy.

Could you clarify what "AFTER the fact implies"?

All of the 5 tsunami pictures were done 1-3 years prior to the catastrophe.

The huge twin tower collapse painting was completed in 1999 and had been in various stages for 10 years.

Perhaps you mean:
That I notice a painting's similarities to an actual event after the event occurs is of no predictive consequence since it was not declared verbally.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 02:43 PM

Are you claiming to be psychic?

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 02:48 PM

No, he's not claiming to be a psychic. He's planting dumb little clues so the rest of us morons can save him flapping his own lips.

By the way, someone tried to bomb WTC in '93 so I think we can put one of those pictures down as post -event, and the fact that it's got a tidal wave in it at the same time - water on the brain?

Pretty talented, though, I'd think of hiring Don to illustrate a sci-fi mag cover.

all that other stuff about encyclopedia and keys in the mail. I'm sure I've read plenty of tales like that. Advertising bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 03:05 PM

As I said, BPL, everyone has some psychic ability. Even robomatic. :-) That doesn't mean, however, that their busy little minds will necessarily ever put said psychic ability to use, either intentionally or in an unaware fashion.

It's like musical ability or the ability to feel compassion and understanding for others. It may be there, in a latent sense, in anybody...but that doesn't mean it gets put to actual use, necessarily...

Most people are too busy most of the time to utilize either their latent psychic ability OR their latent ability to feel compassion very effectively. And they busier they are, the more opinionated they are, I'll wager. At a value of far, far less than a red cent to each opinion, most people are basically mental paupers.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 03:38 PM

How about we let Donuel answer?

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 03:41 PM

How about if he change his name to Claire. Claire Voyant.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 03:48 PM

Wow! Great name. Remember that name, folks.... Claire Voyant. I predict we have not heard the last of her.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 04:29 PM

Donuel, If in fact this is prophetic, which I can see is a possibility, it's freaky because I can look at that painting kind of like a succession of things to come. Kind of like a painting of quatrains.
The towers, the tsunami, what I question is, if it were to be a progressing painting of the future, could our next disaster be a massive astroid storm? Or those lines even occured to me as being (to put it mildly) rockets red glare.
That is not a good thought but I questioned what they were when I looked at the painting.
One can believe this to be prophetic, one can also believe as did Nostradamus that future events can be changed. I believe I prefer the later.
You do very interesting work. I also liked your tsunami poster with the whales.
Peace, Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 08:43 AM

Everyone has the ability for critical thinking (even, no I better skip that part), but in some it is not put to actual use, they are kind of latent thinkers.

(the 'everybody is/has...but doesn't realise/admit' clause is a prime example how to make an assertion that cannot be refuted by anything/anyone)

Anyone likes Bush, even Bobert, though in him this tendency is a bit more latent than in others and he doesn't like to admit it.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 11:50 AM

It's bullshit and you fall for it.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST,Morris-ey
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 11:53 AM

Nostradamus didn't prophesy anything accurately either.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 06:56 PM

It's not always necessary or useful to refute a statement just because somebody else made it... :-)

I prefer discussions to arguments, given the choice.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 07:12 PM

touché

The more powerless we feel the more we sink to arguements instead of loving discussion.

Three cheers for lip flapping:


Iraqi oil was there to take
so George was in a hurry.
With a spear from an olive branch
he attacked them full of fury.
Now the pipeline is his
but the plumbing is shot
its full of explosive holes.
The fortune is lost
Despite the lives it has cost
To achieve his desired goals.
What can we show
for a billion a week
Money for CEO's.
Just think what we could have built
with 1 and 15 zeros.
A flood of blood
for a lake of oil
is a trade that's made in hell.
The modern day El Dorado
is just an oil well.
Troops can't guard all 12,000 miles
for the oil to flow.
You may not think much about it
unless it's your time to go.
Think what we could have built
right here at home,
where Conquistadors
tortured natives
in search of El Dorado.

DH

>>>>>>>>>>>


6 o'clock news.


Terminate, eliminate
Murder slash and kill
Dispatch, assassinate
Drop a poison pill

Liquidate eradicate
Put them down and quell
Settle a score
Slaughter and gore
Send them straight to hell.

Decimate meet their fate
Slay and take a life
They shuffled off their mortal coil
Far from pain and strife.

Hit , slaughter
Shot their sons and daughters
Take em out
Capizass
Whack like all the others.

Snuff, stuff,
fatally rape
Decapitate the head of state
Lets all get really tough

Deprive of life, take a ride
Until they've had enough
Up with ultimate sacrifice
Opps they lost their life.


Turn the gun on the crowd
Teach'em for us all
Strafe and bomb
The human race
With precision shock and awe.

DH

Todays FUNNIST news story -
Margaret Thatcher's son gets a one year suspended sentence for trying to steal Equatorial Guinea by financing a coup.

What is the sentence for giving away a lb. of pot? lol

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: hesperis
Date: 14 Jan 05 - 12:37 PM

Donuel, if you used a script like coppermine gallery, you could just upload the pictures instead of having to make html pages all the time. Updating's a lot easier. I don't know if angelfire would support php and mysql though. Whatever works, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: frogprince
Date: 14 Jan 05 - 02:19 PM

"All people also have a potential for prophecy...The spirit can easily tap into future events"
L.H., I was just about raised on Biblical prophecy. I haven't thrown out the Bible, but I frankly no longer believe in prophetic prediction. There are a few things we can predict with reasonable certainty, such as chemical reactions or the trajectory of a projectile, if we are sure we actually know all the variables. When it comes to the distant details of social and political history, not a chance; everything depends on a virtually infinite number of human decisions, not one of which can be predicted with any certainty. Long range "prophecy" could only be valid if the future was absolutely fixed and determined from the beginning; Calvinism to the Nth degree.
If the mess in Iraq could be predicted a thousand years ago, there is no point in even expressing regret about it; it was inevitable.
I do believe you are, in many regards, a conscious and spritual person. To me that would mean that you should be able to "roll with"
the uncertainty of the future, not depend on alleged foreknowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 05 - 03:32 PM

We should be able to see a comet pass by this summer.
The word comet sounds pleasing to me, while astroid sounds derogatory.

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushface8.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jan 05 - 03:55 PM

Oh, I certainly DO NOT depend on alleged foreknowledge. By no means! I just think that all people have a hidden potential for prophetic prediction, that's all. In most people, however, it is a badly atrophied or entirely unused potential, and even in those who DO appear to have an obvious talent for it, it may be entirely misleading...since it may be driven by their own emtional needs and prejudices...or their expectations. Their expectations are generally formed by the culture around them and/or their religion and other influences like that.

I do not regard the Book of Revelations as a reliable forecast for World events.

Nor do I believe that the destiny of the World was set in stone thousands of years ago. We are always shaping a new future through our individual and collective use of free will. If one has a genuine prophetic gift, one may glimpse a future event...but the use of free will may in the meantime alter or prevent that event...in which case, one's prophetic gift, if it was real, might well lead to a revised prophecy! :-) (before the event, I mean, not after it...)

Things are not set in stone, they are constantly alive and changing. Prophecy can serve as a warning. If the warning is taken seriously, and acted upon, then the prophecy has altered the future in a desirable way and served a very useful purpose.

One can use normal means of reasoning to prophecy...example: I can use normal reasoning to warn someone that, due to the fact that there is a freezing rain warning, they might be running the high risk of having an accident driving to Barrie, so I warn them to stay home tonight instead. I am prophesying danger, using normal reasoning in that case.

On the other hand, the weather might be perfect, and I might still suddenly get a very powerful gut feeling that someone should not drive somewhere that night (I VERY rarely experience that sort of thing...when I do, I take note of it.) I would then not be using normal reasoning at all, but making what most people usually think of when they hear the word "prophesy", I suppose...a recommendation based on something other than normal reasoning.

And some people have a gift for that.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 05 - 01:39 PM

are you people out of your mind so many people have lost there parents and lost there children

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Feb 05 - 04:40 AM

Donuel, thanks for the link to your website. I've always just looked at the individual pix you've put in threads, so never saw the poems and the rest of it. Some powerful stuff there and superbly done, as usual. I look forward to your many additions.

Do any of you remember that when you point a finger at someone else, four fingers are pointing back at you?!

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST,Dreamseer
Date: 02 Jul 05 - 01:38 AM

That is awsome. You painted things that were to come before anyone had knowledge that they were to caome. there is also a tsunami that is about to hit the earth of a proportion that has never been seen before. This tsunami is a spiritual tsunami. and it woill chande the landscape forever just as the asian tsunami changed there landscape forever. The Kingdom of God is here and we shall see it manifest in power,as if it were ACTS book 2, As the tsunami is made manifest and people walk in it. Let thje earthquake and shake and release the tsunami upon our lives.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jul 05 - 09:59 AM

Dreamseer I don't know why you resurrected this thread but with typos like yours you must have ENORMOUS fingertips. ; )






On this 4th weekend let me quote myself for awhile...

As long as we allow the men who promote War as God's will to live, so others will die, we are destined to live and die in war.

They call for war on a corrupt trumpet made from Scripture or Quran.

To shove that trumpet down their throat would require thousands of shoves down thousands of very rich throats.

And if all the voices that called for war were gagged, who would govern themselves?

Who would manage to control population willingly without uranium wars and planned pestilence?

It will take you personally to find this answer in Peace.







does one recognize the poet anymore.
In these dark days of deception the truth becomes revolutionary;
and the people who claim goodness put the flame to art, ideas and love.


A wish for peace
is like a poem
no one understands
it is a watercolor in the rain

To die for peace
is a delusion
seen clearly by the soldier
on his last ragged breath

To live for peace
is a wish some die for.
That we dream of
while at war

The prayer for peace
is for hypocrites
it is always for "our side"
whoever those killers may be

Realists and idealists
prey upon each other
The certainty of war
verses a hope for peace

The years our nation
has not been at war
since 1776
is zero

Some distance themselves
from the facts of war
and others pass it down
from weary father to anxious son

The shortest distance
between two points
is a marvelous invention
and its weapon application

So it is again the season
For whatever it is worth
for good will to men and Peace on Earth
Quote the poet honestly

"It Never was, and will be nevermore".

yet it is always promised in the next revolution.








Good times , End times
As events turn worse
It's too late to learn
If you're breathing the curse
It may be our turn
With sorrow to come
Still the Dark Ages
Were Golden for some










We seldom call wars

a war anymore.

They are operations.


The careful, skillful,

sterile removal

of infected foreign matter.


We shall call this one

Operation

Sage Bush host.


Don't bless the "Father"

the "son"

and their holy roast.


..................





kill
every last one
and burn
their ideas
you will find
you're still not done.


what you fear
darkly descends
from the womb
of religion
born again
like the son of immortal revenge.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST,dreamseer
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 03:54 AM

My fingers are quite small,,,
I responded to thread because I seek. I found your paintings and story behind them,way cool. I am doing a study about Tsunami rather it be in nature or in realm of spirit. It is true that There is always war over trying to prove who is right,who is wrong who is the master race or who is expendable. We war on earth and in the air and everywhere on between. What is it all for. In the end all we prove is just how little we really know and the more we need to seek truth.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 01:31 PM

Dreamseer. Imagine the waves as water rushed in to fill the cracks between the emerging seperating continents from Pangea.

Imagine the great flood as the melt water of the last ice age broke through creating the badlands in the now western US states.

Imagine when the Mediterranean filled.

People say, 'Water will seek a lower level', when we know it is only gravity at work.

People say 'war will settle a score or level a playing field' when we know it is only greed/self preservation at work.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST,dreamseer
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 11:12 PM

and in deep water is the treasure,that which is hidden. That which is not always seen in the open,in the shoels. as the waves break onto the shore it is always changing taking and bringing change but in the deep in where truth is ,it is where the waters that change comes from and where that which was in need of renewal is brought back to

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 12:26 PM

And thereunto the plains shall perforate the instigation of wrath, whereupon the heavens shall team and even the fishes under the earth tremble. And all mankind shall be vilified before the rent pervades the spirit.

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST,dreamseer
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 03:38 AM

and they do tremble the waters and all within. oh al-Quiada why do you hate so. Do you thinl you can change the world through your hate. You may have thought your plan was in hidden,but it was not. I saw that you were up to your tricks and were ploting on saturday. I dreamed of your plan. I saw what you were up to.But what you planned for evil, or for good in your eyes view is being turned around. It is just another shaking of a quake to release the healing waters, oh come mighty tsunami rise up and change our land

Subject: RE: BS: I did 5 Tsunami paintings 1 year ago
From: GUEST,dreamseer
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 04:04 AM

the waters tremble all all that is within. oh al-Quaida, why do you hate so, do you think you will change the world through your vigal of hate??? You may have thought that your plan was jidden but I saw that you were planing on saurday ,I saw you plot in a dream, what you planned for evil,but in you site good. It is just another shakinging as part of the quake, of rise mighty tsunami amd change our land forever