BS: Obesity dilema

Subject: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST,average paunch
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 11:17 PM

watched a TV program about a syndrome
where children have no control over appetite
and can eventually eat until they die
if left uncontrolled.
It is very sad, and no joking matter.
Many must live in care homes under supervision
possibly for life.

However seeing people at the extremes of morbid obesity
eg. man in early 20's @ 30 stone weight..

could'nt help wondering about the basic problems of day to day routine
we all take for granted and deal with without problems..

after much consideration..
the question that most puzzles me and partner
is..

how do such mammothly overweight people manage to wipe their arses..????


Please treat this question seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 11:28 PM

A friend of mine is dealing with all of this, and the doctors are no help. He was weighed and told he had lost 12 pounds-- their scale just didn;t go high enough. He found out a week later had was actually nearly 200 pounds over the weight the doctor's scale showed.

There are a lot of adaptations and accommodations. Arse-wiping involves adapting a brush that will reach and not scratch. (Wet the brush, wipe, riunse, wipe, runse, tap off solid bits, rinse, and wrap brush with clean washcloth for a final polishing/drying.)

Men's and women's skin tissues in the nearby perineal area are different, so an individual has to choose and try different things to find what works. There is no store I know of where specialized products are conveniently available. It's quite a trick to make these things portable enough to maintain a normal range of social activities, but it can be done.

Other considerations involve powders to maintain healthy skin, since yeast infections and secondary bacterial infections can develop in skin folds. Like athlete's foot strikes between toes-- antifungal powders, cortizone/antifungal creams to treat skin outbreaks, etc. Gold Bond Blue (NOT Gold) is good for daily maintenance. Again, there is no store servicing these needs. One must be creative in finding adequate supplies and products in regular stores. (Gold Bond Blue is a menthol foot powder, actually.)

Dead skin also can be hard to remove in hard-to-reach places (feet, ankles); special products and brushes must be used.

Aren't you glad you asked?

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 11:29 PM

And it helps if one can spel, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 11:30 PM

Some people don't manage it-- the wiping. Too scared to ask anyone for help, too embarrassed.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 11:33 PM

They climb on a horse and slide back and forth.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 11:41 PM

I wish! LOL! Have to try that!

ONLY AT MUDCAT...

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 12:10 AM

I have often pondered the same question regarding female fashion victims
with extremely overlong talon like fingernails.

There are certainly doubts in my mind about the personal hygene
of more than a few wealthy 'elegant' and glamorous society dames.

Not that I'd ever get close enough to any of them
to confirm my reservations one way or another

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: Teresa
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 12:29 AM

fashion victims ... I do like that. :)

The thing about a high-maintenance lifestyle is ... you've got folks maintaining you. Got the picture?

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: MBSLynne
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 02:47 AM

Good grief!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 06:01 AM

BIDET!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST,Morticia
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 07:38 AM

the syndrome you are discussing is Prader-Willi, I think.....

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 11:30 AM

Two more words on the subject:

butt floss

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST,fat smelly arsed & proud Englishman
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 11:35 AM

BIDET !!!???!!!

in an ENGLISH bathroom..

NEVER !!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 11:46 AM

That's why you are fat and especially smelly.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: LilyFestre
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 11:47 AM

Prader-Willi Informatio can be found here:


http://www.thearc.org/faqs/pwsynd.html


Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST,Charmion at work
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 02:13 PM

The Ottawa Citizen recently ran a series of articles on the prosecution of a man with Prader-Willi syndrome who was in court on many charges of stealing food from supermarkets and failing to pay in restaurants. His parents are either dead or no longer able to take care of him, and no group home in the region would take him -- for one thing, everything edible in the house has to be locked up very securely all the time. After being held in jail on remand for weeks, he was (if I recall correctly) discharged at trial on mental health grounds and committed to an institution. God alone knows what will become of him: Ontario psychiatric care is criminally underfunded and chaotically disorganized.

No, there's nothing funny about Prager-Willi syndrome.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: LilyFestre
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:15 PM

The thing about Prader-Willi Syndrome is that it doesn't even have to be something you or I would consider edible. I once had the opportunity to observe a young man over the course of 6 months with Prader-Willi and the care he received. This man would eat wood, paper, cloth...anything he could put into his mouth, he did....very dangerous indeed.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: Morticia
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:29 PM

try and imagine what it must be like to be chronically hungry all the time, your body crying out for you to fulfill it's most basic of needs.......even right after eating......, then imagine you have associated learning disabilty so you don't even, can't even understand what's happening to you......really think about that...then decide if this is an appropriate place for jokes.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: hilda fish
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 06:18 PM

Someone dear to me is grossly obese and we look after her. That means we wipe her bum, massage oil into her cracks and creases and so on. We joke about it in order to protect her dignity but it is very difficult for her. I've learnt to assess situations so that she is near the toilet, the chair can hold her, there are no stairs and so on. She is now also wheel chair bound. the worst of it is that people don't know why she is overweight and without being asked offer her such things as dieting advice and exercise advice. How rude is that? She is who she is and has a right to be accepted as that, not judged. I know why she has her weight as does the rest of her family and as much as I'd dearly like her to lose it as it is disasterous to her health, in the end other more painful things such as grief at the loss of three dead children and many other things have to be dealt with before the weight can and she is 70 this year. It may be too late, who knows? Overweightness in itself is a condition that eventually can be dealt with - it's the value judgements around the condition that make overweight peoples lives miserable. Prader-Willi syndrome is also a horrible thing and many of its sufferers do end up in prison and eventually in institutions where the best that can be done is surgical or chemical intereference such that they are almost vegetables. I see it often.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: hilda fish
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 06:22 PM

Çontinuing - I once saw a program about the fattest woman in the world. It was really scarey talking as it did about 'enablers' etc, people who slyly feed and encourage to eat more. this womans husband makes videos of her to sell ( a turn on for some) and had to practically carry her around until ultimately she was completely bedridden. He oiled her and looked after her, including wiping her bum, and massaging her callouses of which there were many. Eventually she decided that she didn't want to be the fattest woman in the world because she knew that she would die. she lost weight but the damage had been done. she will never be an independent person and her husband is very disappointed. He likes 'big' woman. Does anyone know any more about this one?

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:08 PM

God bless you, Hilda.

For women there are also complicated practicalities of menstruation. Normal pads are no use-- too small to cover the areas where things tend to "travel" to. So-- Depends fastened to underwear by sewing elastic bands dropping down from the elastic waistband. Again, every grossly obese person out there has to figure this out on their own. And feels bad about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: goodbar
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:07 PM

my buddy is like, 5 foot 8 and 160 pounds or something. his nickname is "fat" or "fat ass". he's ENORMOUS!

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST,Melani
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:10 PM

My developmentally disabled son was in a special program with a kid with Prader-Willi Syndrome. He was not quite three, and was generally happy and pleasant, not overweight, but he also didn't talk. His mother was very concerned about the future--she had heard stories about people eating out of garbage cans, etc. They had a lock on their refrigerator. I don't know how that kid turned out--haven't seen him in 14 years.

When my son was on the ketogenic diet to control seizures, we also had to have locks on our fridge and kitchen cabinets. We were very lucky--Daniel was generally cooperative, though he would cheat whenever the opportunity arose. His meals had to be measured to within a tenth of a gram, and could only consist of certain foods. We had to carry all his food with us. Even so, we could still go out to eat, and he would even pick the restaurant, even though he couldn't have anything but his own special food. We were even luckier in that the diet actually cured him--since the day he began it to the present, he has had no medication and no seizures, a rather rare result. He is not longer on the diet, and can now eat anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: Terry K
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 02:54 AM

I've always been concerned about the bum wiping thing for ordinary, everyday people. The way I look at it is that wiping is a short-term expedient given that there is no other option, but the offending area should be washed as soon as possible. Hence bath, shower or better yet for washing in between showers, the good old bidet.

After all if you spill, say, tomato juice on your arm, leg, hand or whatever, you wouldn't just wipe it off with a piece of paper - I'm sure most of us wouldn't feel properly clean until you've had a wash.

So how come shit on the nether regions is OK?

And I will definitely look at the long-nailed fashion queen in a different light!

cheers, Terry

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: Teresa
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 03:09 AM

Yes, I agree; paper alone is unsanitary. I'd love to have a bidet!

It's interesting that people tease the overweight, especially since (at least in the states) more are becoming fatter and fatter, and at a younger age, too.

teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 11:26 AM

People tease others about pretty much anything Teresa - overweight, baldness (I'm both of those!), goofy teeth, big/small tits, whatever they see as amusing. For the teasee the important thing is to have thick skin. Mine's got much thicker over the years! LOL!
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: Bert
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 11:36 AM

And back pain can also give you problems with wiping your bum, so you chubby folks don't have to feel alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 12:13 PM

Doesn't one make one's butler do it? (Wearing the white gloves of course!). ROFL!
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 27 Jan 05 - 11:43 AM

I once saw a program about the worst jobs in history... of them was wiping the kings arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: LilyFestre
Date: 27 Jan 05 - 02:31 PM

I heard a radio show once where folks called in a contest to see who had the worst job ever....the vote was for some poor guy who had to clean the peep stall rooms at an adult bookstore. YICK.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Obesity dilema
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 27 Jan 05 - 03:58 PM

I've decided the worst job is guano harvesting in Peru - five tons per day! Workers and slaves kept jumping off the cliffs.

Which reminds me of Guantanamo, not just that torturing people would be a sucky job, but the military has revealed that those prisoner guys keep trying to kill themselves as an attention-getting device.

Sorry for the thread drift but I didn't start it.