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Subject: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:37 PM Okay, folks, it's 6 Illinois police officers, a bunch of other people, it just happened, and it's on film. Check it out at: UFO filmed in Illinois and on the News tonight See it while you still can. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: GUEST,TIA Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:42 PM It is gone already !?!?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:42 PM 'Scuse me, I believe they have provided a visual animation of the object, as reported by the police officers. Their stories seem to all agree on the appearance of the object. I imagine the real thing was a whole lot more exciting to witness than this little film that ABC has worked up from what the police told them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:43 PM No, TIA, it's still there. You get the Rogers Yahoo page. You then will see 4 main stories at the top, where the video screen is. You open the UFO story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: GUEST,TIA Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:45 PM I must be a dummy. I don't see a video screen, and none of the top stories say UFO ?!?! (I even did a "find on page" of UFO) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:46 PM What? Wait a minute... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Cluin Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:48 PM It wants me to log-in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:48 PM Click on "VIDEO: UFO Close Encounter" It's among 4 news stories at the top of the page, to the right of the little video screen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:49 PM Aww, shit! Maybe it only works for people who are on Rogers HiSpeed. (sigh) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: GUEST,TIA Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:50 PM Dang, ya had me all worked up there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:50 PM It's on the ABC News, if that's any help. "ABC News on Demand" Try a google search for ABC News, I guess... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Cluin Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:52 PM I logged in with my Yahoo Mail name & password but still can't see where the item is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:55 PM Okay. Tried Google. It's part of an investigative report for ABC News by Peter Jennings. It's a simulation film of what the police saw they say. I'm the one who got excited and thought it was a standalone news report, cos that's what it looked like, but it's part of a larger investigative show on UFO's. Here's the story: 7 days Archive ABC puts UFOs on its radar screen By Kathy Blumenstock The Washington Post February 22, 2005 Flying saucers and strange beings that have visited Earth aren't the typical topics reported by Peter Jennings, anchor of ABC's "World News Tonight." Jennings, whose new two-hour special (8 p.m. Thursday, WRTV ) tackles the subject of UFOs, admits he and his production team began the project with doubts and a dose of curiosity. "We have a lot of skeptics -- I am very skeptical -- but we seriously investigated something a lot of people are serious about," he said. "And when we come to the end, this is wonderfully interesting. "More than 80 million Americans believe intelligent beings from somewhere else have come here," he said. "Forty million believe they have seen UFOs, so this is of deep interest to people." Produced for ABC News by Jennings's production company, the program examines the UFO phenomenon from an early milestone: a 1947 sighting by a man named Kenneth Arnold. Segments include visits to the Center for UFO Studies outside Chicago to a radio talk show on "UFOlogy." That show's host, Art Bell, cites among his 18 million weekly listeners "the most informed UFOlogists, the best scientists and some of the craziest people you'll ever meet." Spanning the range of believers and skeptics, sightings and science, the show includes interviews "with people in so many traditional, trusted walks of life -- cops, pilots, detectives, scientists, historians," Jennings said. "All with their own views, but all who have taken this seriously." Some of those interviewed describe what they have seen in the sky, from mysterious lights to giant hovering triangular objects. In 1997, hundreds of people reported seeing a large craft move slowly over Phoenix. In 2000, police officers from five different departments spotted a strange object in St. Clair County, Ill. The police-radio relays describe the low-flying, brightly lit object being tracked. With no videotape of the sightings, Jennings' program uses sophisticated animation to illustrate each incident. Photographs were taken of the locations, duplicating weather conditions and time of day, then witnesses' descriptions were used to depict the event. "In every piece of animation, we talked to the eyewitnesses, built the animation according to what they said, then went back to show them," Jennings said. "And they'd respond, 'No, it was bigger,' or, 'The nose was redder.' So ultimately what we have is animation that accurately reflects what you hear the eyewitnesses describe." Executive producer Tom Yellin said the UFO field is "a risky thing to report since it doesn't go with the conventional wisdom that this stuff is kind of silly." Like Jennings, Yellin initially had reservations about devoting a program to UFOs. "I thought it was all a bunch of baloney. Even though it has public appeal, you don't want to do something that subjects you to ridicule just to get a rating." But Yellin discovered "a tremendous amount of information that deserves further examination. "The U.S. government and every government has a policy of knocking (UFO reports) down, and that is very different from covering it up," he said. "The field has been abandoned to kooks and amateurs, and we felt it was worth looking at more closely." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 23 Feb 05 - 09:56 PM I watched the recreation... wondered how they got such a good video for a moment.. :-) Unless someone has the UFO's itinerary.. If it happened in Illinois, it must be true. People in Illinois never exagerate or tell tall tales.. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Cluin Date: 23 Feb 05 - 10:07 PM Try here. Apparently it will be on ABC tomorrow night (Feb 24th) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Teresa Date: 23 Feb 05 - 10:14 PM Although I'm a skeptic, one of my lifelong dreams has been the discovery of extraterrestrial intelligence, and that is why I have always been interested in the sETI project. Maybe I'll take a peak at this program. :) Teresa |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Feb 05 - 10:15 PM Yeah, well, I was a skeptic too, until I saw some. That was way back in the late 60's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: paddymac Date: 23 Feb 05 - 10:40 PM It has always seemed to me that the odds must be pretty thin the we (eathlings of all sorts) are the only form of sentient life in the universe. The bigger question ight be if "they" are so smart, why are they bothering to visit our rock? :>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Feb 05 - 11:07 PM They are probably visiting every place they can go to. We do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 23 Feb 05 - 11:23 PM They want to steal our minerals and other wealth! We're Lucky Ol' George has Weapons of Mass Distraction! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Bill D Date: 23 Feb 05 - 11:59 PM well...an animated recreation of a report. That sure gets ME excited, allright...*grin*. Makes me wonder why they wait till the report. Just do 30-40 varied animations and let the public vote on which ones best resemble what they or their 2nd cousins hairdresser says they saw. I have seen pictures, videos, models, drawings...etc...some of which were really interesting...but so far none which made me go "whoa!!!" I really, really hope they catch one before I die....but I ain''t holding my breath, 'cause I don't look real good in blue. (I know, I know, LH...you saw a couple...damn, you shoulda called me!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: open mike Date: 24 Feb 05 - 03:44 AM for those who are not aware of what Teresa said// SETI is the Search For Extra Terrestrial Intelligence http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ and Art Bell's Radio Show now called Coast to Coast has interviewed many witnesses and believers over the years http://www.coasttocoastam.com/ it used to be called the aRT bELL sHOW HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF CIRCULAR OBJECTS IN THE SKY ON FEB 12--http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page835.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Wolfgang Date: 24 Feb 05 - 05:18 AM They are coming closer! It could mean evil! Rupture! Why have they killed two veteran UFO researchers last fall within the time of three weeks? First John E. Mack, distinguished Harvard professor, and three weeks later Betty Hill, multiple abductee. Natural death the doctor has said for Betty. Give me break, who can know that with certainty? With a woman of 85, for how long do you think a family doctor looks for unnatural death? And Mack? Run over in London by a drunk driver when crossing a street. Run over by a car? You have read that in many books and seen in many films haven't you and more often than not it was foul play. What have these two people found out that they had to be killed within such a short time? (the central word is 'recreation'; the film is a recreation and it is thought for recreation) Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: greg stephens Date: 24 Feb 05 - 06:58 AM Wow, they've actually got a simulated animation of a UFO? I've always been a bit cynical about this sort of thing, but now...this will change my whole approach. A recreation of what one might look like, huh? We're talking hard evidence here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: GUEST,TIA Date: 24 Feb 05 - 07:18 AM The real story is that the European Mars Surveyor has found an actual continetnal glacier on Mars. Ice. Real ice, not evidence of former ice. Ice=water. Water=life. Take it to the bank, there is/was life on Mars. I hope I live to see the day that the final proof positive of extraterrestrial life is found. It is definitely out there. Now, how intelligent....? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Rapparee Date: 24 Feb 05 - 09:22 AM I was never sure about WHY the Folks From Out There would visit the Folks Here, especially with all the other Planets Out There they could visit. Just seemed statistically unlikely and besides, they didn't stick around. But Now I Know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Amos Date: 24 Feb 05 - 09:32 AM Well, when you look at how we have done, with all the advantages necessary for carbpn-oxygen based life (water, temperature, etc) extraterrestrial life is not likely to be very intelligent. I think the recurring myth of highly advanced civilizations is wishful thinking driven by the ubiquitous evidence of our own thick-headedness individually and collectively. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: MudGuard Date: 24 Feb 05 - 09:37 AM SETI - the follow-up program which was started after the complete failure of the STI program ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Pied Piper Date: 24 Feb 05 - 11:08 AM Oh dear, I'm going to have to agree with Amos again. "Water=Life" not true Water=the possibility of life. The fact that life on earth got started relatively shortly after the temperature dropped sufficiently for liquid water is not evidence for the ubiquity of life in the Universe. We only have one case to deal with so extrapolation is meaningless. It took 3.8 Billion years (ish) to produce a species that is aware of it's place in the Universe, maybe only on planets were sufficient time has passed can intelligent life occur. Therefore only the ones that start early manage the trick before their Suns leave main sequence. All this is speculation until we have some REAL way of assessing the probability of intelligent life else ware. The discovery of life or past life on Mars (if it's detected) will clearly have a big impact on these arguments but we'll have to wait until the evidence arrives one way or the other. Here endeth the first lessen. PP |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Bill D Date: 24 Feb 05 - 11:47 AM oh, I believe there is life 'out there' somewhere....since there are 64,734,934,851,122 galaxies out there.....wait...I missed 2 in Taurus...64,734,934,851,124 galaxies, with an average 129.4 billion stars in each, I bet the odds favor someplace having it's version of Mudcat, wondering if WE exist. But I also know how far it is between those stars and galaxies, and the odds of us being found, IF anyone could do the travel bit. now UFOs can be VERY real, without positing Space Aliens....out at Groom Lake (Area 51), they have lots of ideas they don't share with you & me...who knows what might be buzzing about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Cluin Date: 24 Feb 05 - 12:36 PM There was a very interesting article in Analog last month concerning the possibility/probability of advanced life existing elsewhere in the universe. Physicists, astrophysicists, and biologists have been applying the latest discoveries and theories to the problem and have been whittling down the numbers drastically. For all the things that have to go right, there are a million things to go wrong. We may well be alone out here, folks. And we'll never be out of the woods. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 24 Feb 05 - 12:41 PM Heh! Heh! Nice to see the usual hearties weighing in here, comforting themselves with their already-established notions of reality. Good thing I got a chance to correct MYSELF before you chaps had the glee of doing it for me... Bill, if I had known how to reach you back in the late 60's when I saw the whatever-it-was, I WOULD have called you. Be assured. But I was in New York State at the time, and I suspect you were not. Why not watch the show tonight on ABC? You might find out something interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Liz the Squeak Date: 24 Feb 05 - 12:46 PM Rap - it's because so far, this is the only planet with chocolate! I'm a hopeful sceptic.... but I can't help thinking of the final words of the Monty Python song from 'Meaning of Life' So remember when you're feeling kind of small and insecure, How incredibly amazing is your birth; And pray that there's intelligent life, somewhere out in space, Cos there's bugger all down here on Earth! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Cluin Date: 24 Feb 05 - 12:53 PM We've all seen things we couldn't explain. About 5 years ago, a buddy and I were playing Ottawa & Kingston (Ont.) and were heading north and home from the latter town. We'd gotten a bit of a late start and ran into some bad weather in the Muskoka area which slowed us down, so it was well after dusk before we raised Sudbury. It was around 11 pm or so, heading west on 17 between the Sud and Blind River (ha!), when I saw a bright streak of light rip across the sky to the south, disappear below the tree line, followed by a bright flash on the horizon, out over Lake Huron. My buddy and I looked quickly at each other: "Holy f__k! Did you see that?" We fully expected to hear on the news when we got home that a plane or meteorite had crashed into the lake that night, but never heard another thing about it. We both never forgot it though. Not the first or last time I've seen interesting things along that lonely, and otherwise boring stretch of road. The only more eerie stretch of highway I've been on is the road north to Timmins, especially in the dead of winter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Wolfgang Date: 24 Feb 05 - 12:55 PM BTW, Little Hawk, have you already forgotten your resolution from last June or have you changed your mind since then? AFO = Alien Flying Object was it, not UFO, at least for those who have not yet already-established notion(s) of reality Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:00 PM I don't really care, Wolfgang. As I am not on trial in a criminal court here, I see no reason why I should fret over every single exact word I have said on the subject in the past. :-) Every day is a new day, Wolfgang, complete with new viewpoints and perceptions, and new ways of expressing one's ideas. AFO, UFO, QFO, whatever...use whatever you like, and I'll do the same. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Cluin Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:05 PM Don't forget the UPI. Unidentified Party Injury. Those bruises, scrapes and contusions you wake up with in the morning (or afternoon) that you don't remember incurring the night before. Or maybe you've been abducted by ETs? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Donuel Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:07 PM Life is stranger than fiction. I witnessed enormous triangular craft, disks and seemily intelligent plasma spheres yet my friend Allen Hyneck NEVER got to see any UFOs with his own eyes. Having had a minor career in the field I have also seen the predjudice, derision and actual physical attacks against people who's only crime was seeing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:24 PM Mmmmmmm! Only in the US could this happen! There's more chance of finding those WMDs in Iraq (and there's no chance at all of that). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Clinton Hammond Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:26 PM Peter Jennings was on The Daily Show last night, and said he went into this research a sceptic, and came out a sceptic... Until new evidence (O.k... ANY evidence) is discovered, I will continue to believe that we are NOT being 'visited' by 'little green men from beyond the moon' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 24 Feb 05 - 02:59 PM Cluin, in all his awesome and infinite wisdom, said: We've all seen things we couldn't explain. And that, my friends, is a fact! For instance, I've often seen my Beautiful Wife! Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: GUEST,TIA Date: 24 Feb 05 - 03:01 PM Ahhh, but in our (albeit limited, human, largely earthbound) experience, everywhere there is water there is life. Why should another planet with conditions conducive to liquid water be any different? I'm betting it'll be microbes incapable of piloting a spacecraft across the vast interplanetary distance that must be traversed to visit Illinois. BTW what will Creationists or ID proponents say about extraterrestrial life? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Wolfgang Date: 24 Feb 05 - 03:08 PM Thanks for the response, Little Hawk, and for this thread. You sometimes can't remember exactly what you have said half a year ago, you sometimes can't perceive exactly what is in front of your eyes (why else would you have made that mistake in starting this thread. And in that 'you' I include everybody here. This thread is a beautiful demonstration that both perception and memory are fallible. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Little Hawk Date: 24 Feb 05 - 03:18 PM That is quite correct, Wolfgang. :-) I'm thinking I should get Joe Offer to change the thread title, in fact, to something a little more accurate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: M.Ted Date: 24 Feb 05 - 05:19 PM All I know is, Everything you know is Wrong!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Bill D Date: 24 Feb 05 - 06:48 PM Cluin..50 years ago, I had the same experience you did...I was out collecting on my paper route, when.. Whoooommmmmmmmmm....boom! BRIGHT light and flash.. The papers were full of it next day...."Bolide" meteorite, zipping over Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, heading for N. Mexico...Dr. Lincoln Lapaz, a native of Wichita was interviewed about it, and tried to find pieces.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Chief Chaos Date: 24 Feb 05 - 08:34 PM Well, If you were looking for extraterrestrials I'd welcome you to DC. No-one as stupid as the current administration could be from the human race! I mean doesn't he look like something that came from Uranus? ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Bill D Date: 24 Feb 05 - 10:40 PM speaking of our Great Leader: UFO..Un-initiated Fondling Object |
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 24 Feb 05 - 11:01 PM After his nefarious "fall from the gracious" networks.
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Subject: RE: BS: Illinois police see and film UFO. From: Bobert Date: 24 Feb 05 - 11:02 PM TRUE STORY, Okay, fir those of you who have heard Bobert's UFO Story then just scroll past it but.... .... it was like May of 1971 and I was teachin' school an' there was this purdy gal, Lisa Hadley, the school had hired as a teacher's assistant and so she was assisting me with, ahhhh, my harmones out in a park in Langley, Va. We had just parked my old 1960 VW van and we were kinda messin' round on a blanket not too far from the parking lot when.... .... we both kinda looked toward the Potomac River just a 1/4 mile from where we were and then... ... THERE IT WAS!!!!!! Yep, oh I hate this part, it was a flyin' saucer. We both saw it clearly for almost 20 seconds before the surrounding trees blocked our vision. But we saw it... And clearly... I mean, CLEARLY... Now I ain't gonna say it came from outer space 'cause I don't know that. But I know what I saw and if there are any doubters here in Mudville, I am perfectly willing to submit to poligraphs and hypnosis, at yer expense of course, to prove it. Now, just a sidebar... A couple days later I went to visit Lisa Hadley and we talked a little about it. Her father worked for the CIA there in Langley and she told me that after telling her dad about what we had seen that her dad told her she couldn't see me again. That was the last time I saw Lisa Hadley... But this is a true story. Ir was a flying saucer. No doubt. Bobert (with bag over his head) |
