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Subject: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Snoozer Date: 07 Mar 05 - 06:01 PM Hello All! A friend is looking for a recording of a song she swears was on an old record her father had. She believes the song is well over 30 years old. This is what she remembers of the lyrics: The whole of Scotland's wearin' black All dressed up for their ? and Prince Charlie's chose the place himself The grave ya call Culloden With hungry men, he faced the Duke With hungry men and weary With slogans and faith They met their death They fought and died for Charlie McDonald he glowered and stood a'back His pride was heart wrecked sorely He would not fight on any other place But on the right of Charlie I've looked around the 'net and mudcat and can't find anything matching these lyrics. Has anyone heard of it? Know anything about it? Any information would be appreciated. By the way, my friend lives in British Columbia (Canada). You never know, geography may be a factor in finding this song. Thanks! Susan |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Mar 05 - 06:10 PM No info on the song sorry, but... "Lost" LOL Now THERE'S a prefix we need to have made permanent! |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: GUEST Date: 07 Mar 05 - 10:05 PM I would guess that you're the same sort of Little englander who rejoiced in "The Sun" headline GOTCHA when they sank the Belgrano, and sent over 400 young conscripts to an early grave. You sure you belong here? |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 07 Mar 05 - 10:17 PM "Snoozer" is American, and Clinton is Canadian. Where are you from? "Little" England? "Little" Scotland? Little knowledge, evidently. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: GUEST Date: 07 Mar 05 - 10:34 PM Well, I'm from Scotland, and I posted in response to Clinton. I found his LOL just a tad offensive. There's nothing funny about what went on at Culloden. The song lyrics sound just like the sort of crap that Gaberlunzie, or maybe the Corries used to sing. Hope this is some assistance. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Peace Date: 07 Mar 05 - 10:41 PM Any chance she's confusing it with "Sound the Pibroch"? |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Mar 05 - 10:52 PM Guest.. stuff it out yer fat head... My LOL wasn't ABOUT Culloden... It was about the invention of a new and potentially VERY useful Mudcat prefix... "lost" Wanna know how much I care about what happened at Culloden? Imagine the orbit of Saturn... Culloden was SO long ago, and so far away, THAT'S the size of the rats patoot I don't give! Yer from Scotland? Big whoop... everyone is from somewhere... "I found his LOL just a tad offensive" Here's a quarter... call someone to come build you a bridge so maybe you can get over it... |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Mar 05 - 10:56 PM No luck. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: GUEST Date: 07 Mar 05 - 11:02 PM My, my, it's nice to know the kind of rational, reasonable people we encounter on this site. I don't often visit, but if you're the norm , I don't think I'll bother in future. Long may your head stay stuck up your *rs*. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Mar 05 - 11:14 PM This from a butt-muffled Guest?!? LOL THAT'S funny! "rational, reasonable people" Where, exactly is it written that, anyone who doesn't want to, has to give a flying tinkers toe-nail about some skirmish or other a million years ago?!?! That it gets your juices going, fine and Jim-dandy... but why does it have to move mine in the least??? In other words, since when does something meaing something to you, make it mean sh!t to me?!?!?! Why should it even have to?!?!?!?! And why should my dis-interest be taken as any offence?!?!?! Don't you have anything better to do? |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 07 Mar 05 - 11:20 PM I'd expect it to be a modern song, perhaps based on the metre of one of Hogg's less successful romantic effusions. "Guest" probably has the right idea mentioning Gaberlunzie and the Corries, both of whom perpetrated some pretty embarrassing modern songs on this kind of subject; though, to their credit, probably not this one. Thanks, incidentally, for explaining what you meant. I myself, as an Anglo-Scot (though one whose ancestors, like the majority of Scots at the time, had the sense to keep clear of the final Jacobite debacle), was inclined to be offended by that rather snide "Little Englander" crack, but we can let that go since it turns out that you were talking to Clinton. He's always getting into fights. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Mar 05 - 11:21 PM I'm just misunderstood Malcolm.... LOL |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Boab Date: 08 Mar 05 - 12:43 AM Looking over the lyrics, I am inclined to agree that it should go the way of "Stop Yer Ticklin' Jock"----- |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Snoozer Date: 08 Mar 05 - 06:41 AM Well, first I must say I was rather tickled by Clinton's initial post suggesting that "Lost:" should become a permanent prefix. As for those of you who commented on the song, maybe I have this wrong, but it sounds like since you *think* the lyrics are not very good that I should just forget finding this song and helping out a friend. Hopefully some helpful mudcatters will be able to read through all the gunk above and and provide some useful suggestions. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Clinton Hammond Date: 08 Mar 05 - 01:18 PM "suggesting that "Lost:" should become a permanent prefix" I still think it's a great idea... And I'm sorry your thread got covered in guest-gunk... " it sounds like since you *think* the lyrics are not very good" Don't give two cr@ps about what THEY might think... worry only about what YOU think! This might get answered one day, or it might be another in the long list of Mud-stumps... Good luck Snoozer! |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Little Robyn Date: 08 Mar 05 - 01:43 PM It would almost fit to the tune of Prestonpans, also about Charlie, which is in the DT here. Culloden Robyn |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Jim McLean Date: 08 Mar 05 - 05:52 PM I wrote it in 1969. I used the tune The Bonnie Hoose o' Airly, I think it's called. I'll post all the lyrics tomorrow. The song was part of a themed LP based on Bonnie Prince Charlie and I attempted to show how he was responsible for the massacre of the highland troops and how devided the Scottish forces were. I think you have to read all of the lyrics as the scrap given was, yes, scrappy. Jim McLean |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 08 Mar 05 - 07:15 PM I am a descendant of Highland Scots but I am always a bit disturbed by attempts to make Charlie a hero. The fact is that he was a traitor to Scottish attempts to wrestle control of their country from the English. He had a lot of support and he drove the English forces from Scotland but his greed was for the throne of England and he invaded behind their retreating troops. If the fool had fotified the Tweed he would have had the support to hold the line, and Scotland would have regained it's independance. After invading England he lost the support of a large part of his troops who returned home. His army fell apart and his retreat ended at Culloden with a slaughter that ended the fight for good. Those who were left in the Highlands were forced out by clearances and starvation. It is not a legacy in which I have pride. Slainte, Sandy |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Boab Date: 08 Mar 05 - 10:20 PM Aye, Sandy---his only interest was in the throne in London and the "divine right of kings". Had he succeeded, his only interest in Scottish independence would have been to make damned sure it didn't happen. Thirty nine thousand men under arms in the Highlands---nine thousand "flocked" to his banner. Gave rise to some good songs though----- |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Snoozer Date: 09 Mar 05 - 06:35 AM Jim, that's great! Is the song on any current recordings? Thank you!! Susan A. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Jim McLean Date: 09 Mar 05 - 08:00 AM CULLODEN or DRUMMOSIE MOOR Words Jim McLean 1963 Tune The Bonnie Hoose o' Airlie (A wee bird cam tae oor hoose door…) Pub. Duart Music London I wrote this song, not as a romantic ballad in praise of Charles Edward Stewart, but to show how his arrogance and the incompetence of his generals, coupled with the fierce pride of his Chieftains, notably the MacDonalds, led to a terrible slaughter and was the beginning of the end of the Highland way of life. The hail o' Scotland's wearing black, A' dessed up for the soddin, (burial) Prince Chairlie chose the place himsel', The grave yaird o' Culloden. Wi' hungry men, he faced the Duke, (Cumberland) Wi' hungry men an' weary. Wi' sticks and stanes,' gainst England's guns, They thocht they'd win for Chairlie. MacDonald he glowered, and stood aback, His pride was hurt richt sairly, Hw wouldna fecht on any other side, But on the richt o' Chairlie. On England's side, wi' lack o' pride, The Campbell smiled sae slyly, Oor Hielan' men, were split in twain, They focht baith for George and for Chairlie. The Redcoats gaed doon on yin knee, And held their muskets ready. Their bellies ticht wi' breid and cheese, Their haunds sae warm and steady, Oor Hieland men upon them cam, Their rags aboot them barely. Wi' slogans an faith, they met their death, They starved and died for Chairlie. He stood on a knowe, the fecht tae see, The snaw fell on him lichtly, But in scarce an oor on Drummossie Moor (hour) He witnessed the murder o' his country. The hale o' Scotland's wearing black, A' dressed up for the soddin' Prince Chairlie chose the place himsel' The Graveyaird o' Culloden. PS Snoozer, it was recorded by Alistair McDonald on Nevis LP101 but I doubt it's available. I have cassette you can have if you like. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: GUEST,GUEST Date: 09 Mar 05 - 12:41 PM A great song Jim! The wee bit quoted at the beginning does not do the song justice and gave a false impression. That Chairlie was a proper scumbag! |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Peace Date: 09 Mar 05 - 03:21 PM Mr McLean: That, sir, is a fine piece of writing. Congratulations. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Jim McLean Date: 09 Mar 05 - 04:29 PM Thanks Brucie, I wrote it over 30 years ago when to sound off against Bonnie Prince Charlie was considered treason! |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: nager Date: 09 Mar 05 - 07:45 PM Jim is a fine songwriter and what a pity such a request as snoozer's has to get caught up in all that silly rubbish above. I visited Culloden last year and it sent shivers right down my spine to be standing there despite the battle happening so many years ago. Well done Jim |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Selchie - (RH) Date: 10 Mar 05 - 09:28 AM nager is right, the battle site at Culloden is an awesome place to be. (Glencoe is another). I'm new to singing & one of my first songs is Massacre of Glencoe, I've known & loved it for many years. So thanks Jim, I now have Culloden to add to my list of Scottish songs too. Rosie |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: GUEST,Crystal (via the back door) Date: 10 Mar 05 - 11:18 AM Hi Selchie, Massacre of Glencoe is a great song I couldn't agree more! Mr McLean also wrote the absolutly fantastic "Don't Cry In Your Sleep" about the highland clearences, if you are looking for lovely lyrics and a gut-wrenchingly sad tune then I recomend it. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Selchie - (RH) Date: 10 Mar 05 - 01:22 PM Thanks Crystal, I 'll look for it. The Scottish history interests me & Don't Cry in Your Sleep was suggested to me by Snuffy yesterday. Just haven't had time to follow it up yet. Certainly will now. Rosie |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Rapparee Date: 10 Mar 05 - 06:43 PM I, too, have been to both Glencoe and Culloden and they are both haunted places. I visited the Antietam battlefield in the fog and felt the ghosts; I would not like to visit either of the Scottish sites under similar circumstances. Great song! |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: GUEST Date: 29 Jul 19 - 08:36 AM Alistair McDonald He sings this song on the album called Battle Ballads. The album I believe was produced in the 60's |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: GUEST Date: 29 Jul 19 - 08:46 AM I'll Post the album number tomorrow |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: GUEST,Starship Date: 29 Jul 19 - 09:19 AM https://www.discogs.com/Alastair-McDonald-Scottish-Battle-Ballads/release/1798903 |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 19 - 07:19 AM https://www.discogs.com/Alastair-McDonald-Battle-Ballads/release/7743183 Major Minor records MMLP51 |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Jim McLean Date: 30 Jul 19 - 12:32 PM I arranged, produced and wrote some new songs for that LP. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Jim Carroll Date: 01 Aug 19 - 03:28 AM There are two longish songs in Scots Gaelic, with translations on the massacre, in John Lorne Campbell's 'Highland Songs of the Forty-Five' (1933) (Culloden Day (with tune) and 'Another Song on Culloden Day.They come with a fascinating description of the Jacobite song-maker, John Roy Stewart (1700-1752) Well worth seeking out Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 19 - 08:51 AM Hi Jim, yes, my father purchased the album in the late 60's. I absolutely love it. I have the original (bad scratched now) but I got another in the 90's after searching for a while. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Jim McLean Date: 02 Aug 19 - 11:33 AM In was surprised at the title of this posting "old song..." but then I realised I wrote it over 50 years ago. |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Mrrzy Date: 04 Aug 19 - 05:36 PM Does remind me of Sound the Pibroch [sp?] - the Clancies do a great intro with The barley grew up out of the graves. I always thought it included a weather report... Patchy fog, fog, fog! |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: GUEST,akenaton Date: 05 Aug 19 - 11:35 AM Ha Jim, I get that feeling all the time when I go to some old roof or house exterior to do repairs and I suddenly remember that I built the bloody thing 50 years ago! Maybe your work will be more permanent than mine :0) |
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Subject: RE: Lost: Old song about Culloden From: Jim McLean Date: 05 Aug 19 - 11:52 AM Yes, time is going so fast now. I wrote We Dinnae Want PolarIs in 1960 so that's nearly 60 years ago and it was sung the other day. |
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