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MBSLynne 15 Mar 05 - 03:27 PM
Ralphie 15 Mar 05 - 03:50 PM
MBSLynne 15 Mar 05 - 05:29 PM
Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth 16 Mar 05 - 08:59 AM
GUEST,Mr Red 16 Mar 05 - 10:06 AM
GUEST,Breton Cap (without his cookie) 16 Mar 05 - 10:25 AM
steve_harris 18 Mar 05 - 06:11 PM
GUEST,Mike E 18 Mar 05 - 08:59 PM
Bonecruncher 18 Mar 05 - 10:33 PM
Blowzabella 19 Mar 05 - 04:28 AM
Blowzabella 19 Mar 05 - 05:09 AM
GUEST,Sorry but I'm yet another Anon. Guest 19 Mar 05 - 08:50 AM
RobbieWilson 19 Mar 05 - 01:03 PM
Malc R 19 Mar 05 - 01:26 PM
Bonecruncher 19 Mar 05 - 07:52 PM
RobbieWilson 19 Mar 05 - 08:15 PM
steve_harris 20 Mar 05 - 04:59 PM
Cllr 20 Mar 05 - 05:11 PM
el_punkoid_nouveau 20 Mar 05 - 05:13 PM
GUEST,Puzzled Pig 20 Mar 05 - 07:21 PM
MBSLynne 21 Mar 05 - 04:41 AM
Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth 21 Mar 05 - 07:38 AM
fiddler 21 Mar 05 - 08:30 AM
GUEST,Phil & Maggie McBride 13 May 05 - 05:14 AM
RobbieWilson 13 May 05 - 06:03 AM
rhyzla 13 May 05 - 07:00 AM
Mrs_Annie 13 May 05 - 07:09 AM
Mrs_Annie 13 May 05 - 07:10 AM
GUEST,alan J. 13 May 05 - 07:13 AM
Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth 13 May 05 - 08:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: MBSLynne
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 03:27 PM

Hug me instead!!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Ralphie
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 03:50 PM

OK Lynne.
I acquiesce.
R


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: MBSLynne
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 05:29 PM

Come to the Volunteer on the first Friday night! Or I'll see you in the Anchor.......form an orderly queue please...

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 08:59 AM

Oh Ralphie! I an soooo upset! :0(

There are crsytal tears starting to run down my cheeks! Sob! If it wasn't for the fact that you're coming to support Sidmouth AND play I'd just collapse into a heaving heap of misery!

HOWEVER.....I've had a thought....Now I know where you're all going to be on the Sunday night.....I'll run down to The Bedford and give you a huge big ((((XXXXX SLURPY KISSY XXXX))))instead!

You'll be fine Ralphie, honestly!....I have that new denture cream that's advertised on the tele all the time! The Super Strong One! ;0)

Chuckle! Giggle! Splutter!

Oh dear me......this thread does make me laugh!

Lynne.....would you please STOP stealing all my Boysies!!!! Grrrrrrr.......! ;0)

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 10:06 AM

I am (AFAIK) on the mailing list and have had two pdf's. No season tickets per se, stewarding on a genre basis and maybe there will be block tickets for (say) LNE (in Salcombe Regis) or eg "tea dances". No ticket details have arrived at Castle Goch yet.

I am planning to go which is a first for me (despite various accusative sightings in previous years)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST,Breton Cap (without his cookie)
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 10:25 AM

"At Brighton the entire 'Big Top' blew down overnight"

Hang on a sec! thats where I live and I don't recall that happening.

More details please in case I am suffering from brain fade!

Dave


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: steve_harris
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 06:11 PM

"At Brighton the entire 'Big Top' blew down overnight" (etc)

Brighton is not Sidnouth although we've been told "the Ham can be pretty wild on a windy day"

Remind us when a Sidmouth Festival marquee suffered wind damage?


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST,Mike E
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 08:59 PM

There's always a first time Steve Harris. As so many people tragically discovered just a few weeks ago, you never can tell what the weather might bring.

And for Dave 'Breton Cap' it happened in the mid-90s when the Heineken 'Big Top' used to be sited at Falmer (O.K., not a seafront site like we used to have at Castle Field, Portsmouth but it's the fact that the entire thing blew down and we lost a whole day's show that matters).

I don't want to join in all the slagging-off of Sidmouth 2005, honest I don't, there's plenty of other people doing that it seems, all I want to do is warn of the problems that can occur with large tented structures when the wind gets up.

As for tickets which this thread was originally about, how refreshing to see Andy 'Fiddler' admit the whole thing is "a bit of a botch-up" this year.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Bonecruncher
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 10:33 PM

Maybe things are "a bit of a botch-up" for this year, but have any of the doom and gloom merchants ever tried organising a folk festival?

Have they been on the organisation Committee and been involved with bookings of guests, site organisation, camping, dealing with local authorities, marquees, seating, venues other than on the festival site (hotels, pubs etc.) more dealings with local authorities, changes in legislation, yet more meetings with local authorities, and the miriad things needed for a successful festival?

The fact that a few people, working from their own homes and without the benefit of a professional full-time organisation have already offered us so much is something to be applauded, rather that described as a "botch-up".

As has been said before, it takes two years to organise a large festival and only slightly less for a smaller one. The current organisers are trying to give us a good festival within a timespan of mere months! For a number of them it could be a first time they have attempted to organise something on so large a scale.

Perhaps some of those with comments about poor organisation might like to offer their services NOW to the organisers, rather than expecting a free ticket for a few hours stewarding, then we might have a festival of which we can be justifiably proud.

Otherwise, perhaps it might be better to refrain from adverse comment and, for what we might receive, BE GRATEFUL!

Colyn.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Blowzabella
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 04:28 AM

On the subject of how long and how many people it takes to organise a Festival...

The one that I'm involved with is organised and staged by a local authority. It provides a budget, but then sponsorship is raised to supplement that budget. Because of this, we don't know how much we can spend until we know what sponsors we have - and they don't tell you very far in advance at all! (This year, we didn't know the final budget until about seven weeks before the event!) On top of that, we don't have 'control' over any of the venues, so are subject to changes of tenancies etc, and not being sure if the new tenants will be people we can work with.

There are so many little bits of logistical things to do with staging a Festival - that take so long - and, often, you can't just do them once and be done - you've got to check and re-check that everything is in place.

We had a councillor once who said in a meeting - I don't understand why organising a Festival takes so long - all you do is make a few phone calls. Sometimes, it sounds to me as if some people posting here, who should know better, have the same attitude.

What does it matter if tickets aren't on sale for events at Sidmouth yet? If you've decided yu are going, get yourself onto the newsletter mailing list and you will, I imagine, be told when they are available. And why not, as suggested above, lend the organisers a hand in some way and stop whining!

(Another organiser, of another festival, stressed out)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Blowzabella
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 05:09 AM

Oh and I forgot to say, for all the planning and admin, there are only two of us - we do have assistance for the actual running of the event, but it can get a bit anxious beforehand!

Blowx - anxious!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST,Sorry but I'm yet another Anon. Guest
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 08:50 AM

I just wanted to reassure Bonecruncher that many of the people posting here do have considerable experience of organising folk festivals and folk venues. Blowzabella for one if you read his comments above.

It is precisely because we do know what is involved that we question the arrangements for Sidmouth this year and, specifically, whether the tented venues will ever get licensed.

Others can deride the postings on licensing issues as much as they like but no licence means no venue means no concerts.

Blowzabella is half-right in saying those planning to attend Sidmouth come-what-may won't worry about when tickets are going on sale but many others look at all the festival line-ups around this time of year and then decide which to attend.

I fear Sidmouth will lose a lot of these casual visitors this year due to the lack of confirmed detail on tickets, camp sites, venues and so on, also due to the lack of a season ticket.

However the real danger is that huge crowds still turn-up expecting the usual professional organisation only to then find the well-meaning but amateur set-up this year can't cope.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 01:03 PM

Two of my least favourite words in one sentence; professional and organisation. Two of my favourites in return; folk and music. If I can't find a space to play and sing and meet folk in a seaside town in the summer I shall be very surprised.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Malc R
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 01:26 PM

No Marquee, No Concert.........Yipee!!!

Means there will be more real folk, singing real folk songs, to real music and having real fun, and all at a sensible price..we live in hope.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Bonecruncher
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 07:52 PM

Good comment, Big Mal.
Folk is about doing things , like singing, playing and dancing.
Concerts can be seen at any time, after all, that is why we have Guest Artistes at folk clubs.
It seems that the British public seem to have lost the will to do things for themselves, preferring to do the "easy" thing and sit on their chumps while others do the work (i.e. entertain them).
Probably we have been pushed into this attitudde under the aegis of "Health and Safety".
Colyn.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 08:15 PM

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see you ther


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: steve_harris
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 04:59 PM

{QUOTE]It is precisely because we do know what is involved that we question the arrangements for Sidmouth this year and, specifically, whether the tented venues will ever get licensed.[END QUOTE]

I'm glad you have this precise knowledge. Do tell us PRECISELY what is so different about 2005 compared to previous years that puts the Ham Harquee in doubt?

Or are you just Questioning things for the hell of it? A dose of the SeeRed disease perhaps? Oh dear! I think I've caught a it myself! I QUESTION if anyone has considered the risk that the Salcome Regis Liberation Front will sabotage the festival by hurling decaying goats onto the Ham Marquee from Beatlands Road!

Nurse! The screens!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Cllr
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 05:11 PM

talk about obvious!
Same poster who said Im a local govt officer is now pretending to be another festival organiser Ha ha ha ha
About these goats, African or european? Cllr


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: el_punkoid_nouveau
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 05:13 PM

If theyr'e from Salcombe, must be some perverse kind of Mountain Goat, just to get over the hill!

Or is that why they're decaying??

epn


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST,Puzzled Pig
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 07:21 PM

"What is so different about 2005 compared to previous years that puts the Ham Marquee in doubt?"

Ummm... how about the absence of Steve Heap, Mrs. Casey Music, their Safety Officer and an overall festival organiser who knows what he's doing.

"Talk about obvious" as Cllr. would say.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: MBSLynne
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 04:41 AM

Puzz;ed Pig..perhaps you haven't been bothering to read the rest of the thread? The festival may have no 'overall festival director' but is being organised by a group of people which includes a number of organisers of festivals and other events who know perfectly well what they are doing and have a long history of running events....it also includes professionals who are adequately able to advise on all matters of health, safety and legality. And they are doing it, not to make money, but because they care about Sidmouth festival and it's future, so they are going to do it right.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 07:38 AM

Puzzled Pig....this is specially for you.

"It is worth a thousand pounds a year to have the habit of looking on the bright side of things.".........Dr.Samuel Johnson 1709-1784

Read. Digest. Smile! :0)

Lizzie ;0)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: fiddler
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 08:30 AM

Mike E Please re read I did not say a bit of a botch up!

for a number of reasons isolated decisions have had to be taken, the organisors are doing their level best under difficult circumstances a botch up is not waht I said - a bodge yes - It has - against a lot of obstacles and expectations been made to work! - A ROUGH AND READY DEFINITION OF A BODGE!!

Please everyone read what is said not what you want it to say!

I support what is being done and I know the folk behind it are trying hard, have a wealth of expertise and are seeking to obtain that which they may not have when needed. Contrary to what many put out on this thread and others, they have the future of the festival, the promotion of Folk music and the protection of their clientel in mind at all times - the order here - before any one makes any assumtions that clientel is last has no relevance to the importance given to it or any other topic mentioned.

I also accept no aobligation legal or otherwise to justify this or any other email not concerning tickets on this thread!

OK - in a nutshell - THEY ARE WORKING HARD TO PROVIDE A GOOD WEEK - STOPPING TRYING TO KNOCK THEM DOWN LIKE SKITTLES!!!!!!

THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT TICKETS - I THINK IT HAS SERVED THAT PURPOSE!

Andy


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST,Phil & Maggie McBride
Date: 13 May 05 - 05:14 AM

Dear Mudcatters,

First the good news:

The new 'fRoots' magazine carries an advert from Hobgoblin saying there will be a season ticket after all covering every afternoon and evening concert in the Ham Arena Marquee.

Well done Hobgoblin for sponsoring the Marquee concerts.

Well done Hobgoblin for listening to audience demands for a week-long season ticket.

Now the bad news:

The season ticket will cost £135. It only covers the Ham Marquee concerts. It does not cover any concerts, dances or other events elsewhere.

This must make it the most expensive festival season ticket anywhere in the U.K.

We always enjoy a range of concerts and dances at Sidmouth and have been attending for many years. We had hoped to support the Folk Week in 2005 but now feel it is being priced right out of our pocket when added to transport, accommodation, food and drink costs etc.

We have reluctantly cancelled our B&B booking today and reluctantly decided to take our custom elsewhere, probably to the Eastleigh Festival in Hampshire and / or Broadstairs in Kent.

We wish all involved with the Folk Week well and we hope to return in future years if its survives past 2005 but ticket prices have to be affordable and £135 per person for just one venue is not affordable to us.

Phil and Maggie


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 13 May 05 - 06:03 AM

Really?


I just checked last years site and found the season ticket last year was £160. A Sidmouth season ticket for me and my kids has always been beyond my pocket. It is not any less affordable this year. What is on offer may be different this year but it needn't be more expensive.

I also find it puzzling that anyone would have booked to go to Sidmouth on the understanding that it would be a different kind of festival, with no season ticket, as has been said up until now and then change their mind and have to undo their commitments when one does become available but is expensive.

I willl be coming to Sidmouth for the first time this year because as a festival it has become affordable to me. There may be bits I decide not to buy into but I am really looking forward to meeting loads of friendly people and enjoying some wonderful music.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: rhyzla
Date: 13 May 05 - 07:00 AM

£135 is only part of the information!

Afternoon events: £7 -£12.50

Eveving events: £12 - £15

Seems fairly reasonable - you can pick and choose if you want

Or as Robbie says above, buy into the bits you fancy!!


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 13 May 05 - 07:09 AM


(sorry I can't work out how to do italics)

Robbie, hear, hear, I could have written that myself. We are hoping to have a holiday in a nice place, with a few concerts thrown in of people we really want to see. And hopefully some dancing round the town.
If you buy a season ticket you're committing yourself to see everything - when one night you might just fancy an evening in the pub.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 13 May 05 - 07:10 AM

Well the preview didn't look like that - and it's left out my quote. ??


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST,alan J.
Date: 13 May 05 - 07:13 AM

The £160 season last year covered absolutely everything. People could easily switch between different types of event and different venues.

If someone buys the Ham series ticket (I don't consider it a season) they still have to pay for morning workshops and the LNE, and at a price of £138 they will want to get full use from their ticket, therefore the Bedford concerts, Manor Pavillion and Blackmore Gardens events will loose potential customers.
In addition to the Ham series you could also pay for a £90 social dance ticket from Roy Godswen.

The unfortunate consequence of operating different events as separate profit centres is that the organisers will be competing for ticket sales to avoid their own losses. I suspect the use of venue-specific series tickets is an attempt to lock in a group of customers rather than provide a better service to the audience.
This is understandable from a financial standpoint, there is no cross-subsidy between events, and advance sales with provide upfront working capital for the organiser, but it does mean that the audience splits into separate distinct tribes instead of crossing between categories and experiencing something new.
I have always enjoyed the freedom to float between different types of concert, dance and session, and have the serendipity of stumbling across an unexpected delight.
I'd suggest ignoring the limitations of series tickets, and go to different events as the mood takes you.

alan J.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth
Date: 13 May 05 - 08:43 AM

Oh Boy....am I glad that Phil and Maggie McBride aren't coming! ;0)

Ain't no room in my town this year Phil and Maggie for Moaning Minnies! I live here, have done for 5 years now, but we have a family and have NEVER been able to afford a season ticket. This year, as always, we will pick and choose what we want to go to most.

AND this year, more than any other we will enjoy ourselves and look forward to a great Folk Week that people like you are just SO miffed about!

Sorry to disillusion all you McBrides, but I'm afraid that Sidmouth is now full of people who love the festival and the folk week and are prepared to support it in whatever way we can. We SO don't have time for Moaning, Stirring Minnies any more!!

Look out Hampshire and Kent....they're on their way down to you!! ;0)

Right....move along...thank you.

SO pleased that Robbie and Annie are coming! :0) Great, positive people! Whoooop!

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth
Date: 13 May 05 - 08:45 AM

Woops! And Alan too...sorry Alan! Glad you're coming along as well!

Any man that uses the word 'serendipity' is very welcome in my town! ;0)

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST,Eye lander - not logged in!
Date: 13 May 05 - 12:26 PM

I read an email or something the other day saying that Hobgoblin will be sponsoring the Ham Marquee and there would be a season ticket for that venue @ £125 or £135 can't remember which now. But I am sure if you go to their web site there will be info there.

Jillie


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth
Date: 13 May 05 - 01:26 PM

And here is Hobgoblin's site Jillie. I hope this works, I'm an absolute techno dingbat! Fingers crossed!

http://www.hobgoblin.com/hobnob/news.htm

Barry, if you're out there, can you activate it for me as you did last time? Totally hopeless at this! ;0)

Or, if Barry's not there and anyone else is......HELP! ;0)

Thanks.

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST,Sidmouth Resident
Date: 13 May 05 - 03:28 PM

What a well-argued post from alan J and what a silly post from loony Lizzie cheering at the news that people are NOT coming to Sidmouth.

Lizzie dear gal, why do get such a perverse delight from seeing people leave Sidmouth? Surely you should be trying to bring them to Sidmouth?

I too think the cost of a season ticket for the Ham marquee is ridiculously expensive at £135.

As others have pointed out, last year's week-long season ticket at £160 got you into everything, not just one venue.

I fear this is just another example of the lack of co-ordinated planning for this year's Folk Week.

Each individual promoter is only concerned with his or her own interests and to hell with the rest of the festival (whoops, Folk Week).

As I've said so many times before, some of us Sidmouth residents want to see a proper festival back in our town.

We're not all like Lizzie only wanting a handful of pub sessions and small-scale dance displays on the prom or in obscure church halls on the outskirts of town.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth
Date: 13 May 05 - 03:56 PM

Dear Fellow Sidmouth Resident,

I've managed to get Mr. and Mrs. McBride to put you in the back of their car and take you down to Hampshire or Kent with them! Isn't that just the most wonderful news!!! It cost me quite a bit, but trust me, I think it's worth every penny! ;0) I've even packed a picnic for you to eat on your journey. I do hope you like spam sandwiches. ;0)

I think, just to be on the safe side, that it is probably best to leave town as quickly as possible, as Mr. and Mrs. McBride's car is a bit of an old banger (apparently!) and you may have to push it for part of the way, but at least you'll have some miserable company to keep you happy. ;0) Mr. and Mrs. McBride are so pleased that you are leaving town that they volunteered to come all the way down from their home town to pick you up and take you to whichever festival they eventually decide upon! What good people!

This will now mean that yet another groaning 'Folk Week Basher' has left Sidmouth and it will leave one more space for a vibrant, optimistic and loving person to come to my town who will make certain that they enjoy Folk Week to the full. ;0)

Oh! If, when you finally reach Hampshire or Kent, you are blessed with an overwhelming desire to stay there, do please let me know and I will ask Potburys to forward all your furniture on for you.

Always like to help wherever possible.

Bon Voyage!

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST,MBSLynne
Date: 13 May 05 - 04:00 PM

*sigh....how many times does the same thing have to be pointed out to people before they get it fixed in their heads? This year is a ONE OFF because there was not the time or money to organise the festival on anything like the same basis as usual. Next year it will be a proper festival again instead of "folk week". You cannot expect it to be a totally smooth and polished organisation in the time that was available and with no money on which to do it. Personally, I think a tremendous job has been done in getting it organised to the extent that it has been.

I agree entirely with Lizzie...we do not need people who are determined to see only the negative and obviously have no desire or intention to enjoy the week and have fun. There will be enough of us who ARE going to enjoy it and are really looking forward to it.

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 05 - 04:04 PM

Sidmouth must be very proud to have such a narrow minded nasty piece of work like lizzie to promote it.

People like her, not that there are many are church hall material. They feel important in places like that.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth
Date: 13 May 05 - 04:09 PM

Hmmmmmm.....'Guest Alan J'.....think you caught me out there! ;0)I was tired when I looked at your post, but now that I've woken up a bit more............Double Hmmmmmmmmm! I was wondering where Stevie Scarlett had gone.....think I just found him....the little red minx!

Mind you, I still like that 'serendipity' word. ;0) (I'll bet the McBrides and that Sidmouth Resident would use that word too!)

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth
Date: 13 May 05 - 04:13 PM

Hello Lynne! Wavey Smiley!!

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth
Date: 13 May 05 - 04:21 PM



Oooohhhhh! Nooooooo! If only my mind was narrow I wouldn't have written anything. In fact...if my mind was narrow and I was nasty I'd be a bit like you I guess. ;0)

Luckily....I'm usually to be found rolling around the floor with laughter at some of the things that get put on here! And I'm telling you.....with my sense of humour.....they wouldn't ever dream of letting me into the church hall in the first place! ;0)

In fact, over this last year I've laughed so much that my wrinkles now start at the corners of my eyes and go right down the side of my face!! The things I've sacrificed for Sidmouth! And I'm only 19!! ;0)

Thanks for your sweet post though. Very thoughtful of you to bother to put it on.

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST,Fritz The Cat
Date: 13 May 05 - 06:31 PM

So Lizzie is (to quote her own words) "usually to be found rolling around the floor" (while) "making spam sandwiches".

She's nuts I tell you. Bonkers. Completely stark, raving mad.

Will the last folkies to leave Sidmouth please take Lizzie with them.

And don't eat her picnic food if you value your health.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: EagleWing
Date: 14 May 05 - 07:31 AM

I agree entirely with Lizzie...we do not need people who are determined to see only the negative and obviously have no desire or intention to enjoy the week and have fun. There will be enough of us who ARE going to enjoy it and are really looking forward to it.

Sorry Lynne but this time I have to disagree with you. The more I see of Lizzie's posts, the more I realise that she can be every bit as nasty as Countess Richard. The McBrides were not anti-Sidmouth, they had already booked their accomodation to come and then realised that the whole thing was going to be too expensive. They did not come over to me as moaning minnies but as disappointed punters. Lizzie did not have to be pleased that they are no longer coming, she should have been disappointed that fans have been put off. After all, she does not have to travel nearly 200 miles as you and I do. She's already there. Why does Lizzie have to be nasty to everyone who decides, for whatever reason, not to go to Sidmouth this year?

Frank L


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 05 - 08:43 AM

Why does Lizzie have to be nasty to everyone who decides, for whatever reason, not to go to Sidmouth this year?

For the simple reason that she is a nasty person. Seen through by all except those with similar leanings. Her exclamation marks and smiley faces are hiding nothing. Her message comes through loud and clear to anyone with more than a couple of brain cells. I don't think either fiona or diane were in the wrong in expressing their opinions. It actually endorsed what alot of people are already saying, but can't be bothered to put in writing and be met with the manic ravings of an exceedingly sad individual.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 05 - 11:17 AM

OOhh, previous guest is on first name terms with Fiona and diane - do you care to reveal your identity?


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: EagleWing
Date: 15 May 05 - 04:31 AM

OOhh, previous guest is on first name terms with Fiona and diane - do you care to reveal your identity?

Pot? Kettle? Black?
As a poster who tries always to make certain that my identity is obvious it seems strange for one unidentified guest to have posted the above to another unidentified guest.

As to first names, Diane is easier to type than Countess Richard and Fiona signs herself by that name.

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth
Date: 15 May 05 - 05:34 AM

Frank....come over here and sit down and I'll tell you a story.

This is the story of a folk week, one that many people never wanted to happen and one that many people did. And so.....they went into battle. Sidmouth was verbally kicked, stabbed, bruised, spat on and poisoned, as were the people who stood up for it.

However, the people who wanted the folk week, because they saw through all the hurt, the anger and realised that something so very precious was at stake, chose to ride through all that hatred.

Now, at times it has been hellish for many of us. I'm sure that more than one person who has been so 'verbally abused' has thought "I've had enough....no more!"...but Frank....they stayed. They did! And I have nothing but the utmost respect for them all.

Do not ask me to have respect for the people who have tried so hard to undermine Sidmouth. They have twisted and confused, they have tried to wipe out people, they have tried to wipe out Sidmouth!

If you read Robbie Wilson's summing up of 'The McBrides' post and take a step back you may see that Robbie has hit it right on the head, he can see exactly what I see and what Lynne sees. We have been dealing with the 'Moaning Minnies' and the 'Sidmouth Stirrers' for neary a whole year now! We can smell them out Frank.

First of all, very few people book themselves into Mudcat as Mr. and Mrs. anything! Well....apart from the infamous 'Mr. and Mrs. Gigg' who appeared in the 'Who is not going to Sidmouth' thread...I packed them off too! ;0)

I am done with people coming on here and putting down foul words about Sidmouth, Frank. If you care deeply enough you will see through it all as well. I tell you what...if The McBrides would like to tell me where they were booked in for their alleged visit to Sidmouth, I'll see if I can find them somewhere better value, it may be hard, because the town and campsite are both getting booked up fast now, but if they REALLY want to come to Sidmouth, I'm sure they'd do anything NOT to miss it!!

And don't have a go at Lynne, obviously you know her, but Lynne has been an absolute Sidmouth Guardian Angel. She too has been spat upon by Diane, she too has fended off some pretty unpleasant words. I have a deep respect for Lynne and many others who have done the same.

Diane loathes me from the Radio 2 board, pure and simple. She loathes Show of Hands, she loathes the fact that I have put many, many positive words down on the Radio 2 board about them. She has done everything she can possibly think of to get rid of me, even down to calling me a racist, a facist, insulting my children, calling me thick, dull, stupid and pornographic! (amongst other things!) And all on a BBC board! Hey, that's nice isn't it? However, if you choose to see Diane's view of me, so be it Frank...it is entirely your choice. I will not lose sleep over it, for long ago I put on my Eleanor Roosevelt knickers, which have Eleanor's wonderful words on them...."No-one has the right to make you feel inferior without your consent!" Diane does not and never will have my consent, neither does Fiona and neither do you or anyone else.

And so....today as I write this there is, once again, a group of brilliant people in my town Frank. The Sidmouth Folk Week Committee are right at this minute, as I type, meeting, yet again, down in The Arts Centre in Sidmouth. They have, once more, given up their week-end to plan Sidmouth Folk Week, so that everyone will have the best time possible and it will all go as smoothly as possible. Some of them have come twice the distance that you were planning to come to Sidmouth, hundreds and hundreds of miles, over and over again...for one reason...Sidmouth Folk Week and keeping Sidmouth alive!

But, unlike other festival organisers, they have had to this under a huge torrent of verbal abuse on messageboards, they have put in their time, their own money, their love, for something they believe in deeply! They long ago turned away from Mudcat, as it was causing them distress, quite understandably! They have put their heads down and just 'got on with the job' and they have moved this festival forwards to a place where no-one dreamed it would be. Other people would have walked away from all this hatred and criticism, but they didn't, they stayed and so Frank I have the deepest admiration for them...the very deepest!! And THEY and THAT is why I stay on here and take the verbal abuse....because I believe in them and I believe in Sidmouth.

Now for my children! Of course you must have realised that I'm not 19! My two children are 10 and 18. They came out of school about 3 years back now. Between the bullying and the craziness of the National Curriculum, which is putting unheard of pressures on teachers, who are passing that on to our children, they basically began to fall apart. My daughter, in particular, couldn't see a way out! This beautiful spirit that I had made stay on in school, because I thought there was no option, lost her will to live basically! Her soul was crushed by it all, as are many other young peoples. It has taken me three long years to resurrect her spirit and it now shines bright and clear. She has no GCSE's....she has turned her back upon all exams, she wants no part of them. She is one of the most intelligent people I know, I am extremely, heart-breakingly proud of her in every single way it is possible to be. A colleague of hers from Tavistock College, a young girl called Stephanie, has recently committed suicide. There but for the grace of God.......

My son is dyslexic, he was already being shouted at for gettting 2 out of 10 in his spellings....he was SIX years old at the time. He was kicked, half-strangled, teased, bullied beyond comprehension! He is a kind, quiet lad who also now has a spirit that shines out! He will probably not take exams either, unless he so chooses. Again, an intelligent, lively, loving young lad with a passion for life and a warm view of all people.

And Frank, when I look around me and see so many broken spirits, so many young people on our streets vomiting up not only alcohol, but their very souls at times, I see a society that is no longer working. A society that seems to have abandoned its' young people for profit! Read John Gatto's 'Dumbing Us Down' about the American Education system and how EVERYTHING that is happening over here happened over there, (and sadly is still happening now) about five, ten years ago. It is all there in a short, concise book, written by a man who was a teacher for 30 years!

BUT, when I go to Folk Festivals I see society at its very best, as it once used to be, old teaching young, young teaching old, all dancing, singing, enjoying TOGETHER. I see people who can be free to be themselves, who have found a joy in life and life SHOULD be joyful! And THAT is another reason why I have chosen to fight for Sidmouth and if anyone out there doesn't like it or is prepared to undermine what Sidmouth is about.....then just now and again Frank I will damn well pack them off with a flea in their ear!!

I've read through all your Sidmouth posts and you have always gone on about people having a sense of humour, well look at the way I normally try to fight off the moaning minnies, with humour, but just occasionally, and I was expecting it over the tickets, things go a little too far and I react accordingly.

So to all those who choose to say unpleasant things about Sidmouth or about me and others on here...well I always did fancy the cotton socks of that Rhett Butler, so I'll leave you with his words:

"Frankly my dear....I don't give a damn!" ;0)

Lizzie :0)

PS...I hope we can still be 'friends' after all this mix-up Frank, for I realise that this sort of 'mix-up' is exactly what the moaning minnies want to happen.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Lizzie in beautiful Sidmouth
Date: 15 May 05 - 05:37 AM

Apologies to everyone for length of post above....but....well...I had a lot to say!

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 15 May 05 - 07:34 AM

I started the thread with "Who is not going to Sidmouth"you have not got rid of me yet Lizzie.
Scooby


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: EagleWing
Date: 15 May 05 - 07:56 AM

Frank....come over here and sit down and I'll tell you a story.

Wow, Lizzie, too long a story to answer here - will reply with PM when I have an hour or two to spare.

I should point out that I am not taking, or changing, sides in this discussion. I still believe that there is no excuse for the way Diane foulmouths on these threads. But I also believe that there is little excuse for you to be nasty to people who, for one reason or another, ruffle your feathers.

We agree about wanting peace and joy to characterise our folk festival experiences. "You are not wanted here!" messages do not help to achieve that.

Frank L.


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Subject: RE: Sidmouth Tickets
From: Leadfingers
Date: 15 May 05 - 08:00 AM

No tickets required for the New Tavern though Gerry and I would not refuse a breer !!!


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