BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?

Subject: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,Marion Burley Griffin
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 09:08 AM

Anti-cementism is a new reactionary movement comprised of people who want to turn back the architectural clock, and live in fake edwardian cottages.

Cement is really - well, the thing that holds everything together, and unlike steel rods and bricks, it is malleable, flexible, and beautiful.

I think people who are anticementic are just old fuddy-duddies.

To see how truly beautiful cement architecture can be, enter ..
the doors of cemention....

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 09:14 AM

There is no concrete answer - to this one.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,Marion Burley Griffin
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 09:37 AM

You have hit the nail on the head there Shambles - Concrete... is so deeply a part of the modern architectural lexicon that some people have risen up against it, and call it a flexi- con. But these anticementites, I believe they have a problem with the boundaries of their own egos - and so they have focussed unecessarily on cement as a symbol for their own unbound, scattered narcissist fantasies.

personally I think everyone should indulge in a little concrete - the world would be a better place.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 09:39 AM

Maybe what is required is some concrete thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 09:42 AM

Regardless of the modern feelings on this concrete is of a deep historical nature. The roman empire used it in aquaducts and bridges. It has survied thousands of years - and no amount of PC "coverup" is going to remove the signifigance of cement from our culture. We are stuck with it.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: freda underhill
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 09:46 AM

as the man said..

        ..they have entertained cause enough        
        To draw their swords: but how the fear of us        
        May cement their divisions and bind up        
        The petty difference, we yet not know..

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 10:11 AM

Of course, this is a hard subject to discuss. And I am certain there will be mixed views expressed here.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 10:31 AM

I believe they are seeking an aggragate opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,Flamenco ted
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 10:33 AM

35N, 330kg/m3 OPC. 20agg 50slump. Is there a finer piece of poetry in the English language? I think not!

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 10:49 AM

Have you given any thought to the Asphaltic branch of this discussion?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 11:04 AM

Anti-cementism must be - time.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,Giok
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 11:09 AM

Well a lot of it comes from Portland, some of it is named OPC or Ordinary Portland Cement. Cement is made by grinding up rock, you just keep on grinding and grinding and grinding.
Portland Bill has a very nasty and perilous undersea bank nearby which is marked by a lightship as it is a danger to sailors. The bank and the lightship are both called The Shambles.
Game set and match methinks!
G ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,concrete castle supporters
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 11:34 AM

Please help save our concrete castle


http://www.concretecastle.com/

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 11:42 AM

FROM THE FIRST POST: "Cement is really - well, the thing that holds everything together, and unlike steel rods and bricks, it is malleable, flexible, and beautiful."

Yeah, those folks who use bricks are just real Mortar Forkers.....

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 11:55 AM

Cement is made by grinding up rock, you just keep on grinding and grinding and grinding.

You also have to apply some flames.............

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:32 PM

isn't there a sub-lime element to cement also?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:40 PM

I come to this with pre-mixed feelings. Wooden an alternative to cement be preferable?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:56 PM

Please - not preferable - preformed.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 01:23 PM

Oh dear really, you guys mortar know better!
G ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 02:02 PM

"Wooden an alternative to cement be preferable?" el Greko

Yes, George. There IS an alternative. One that is paper based. I'm interested in researching it with an eye toward putting it on a couple of hillside acres I have.

Building a Dirt-Cheap House

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Amos
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 02:11 PM

Who'da thunk such a stone-cold subject would cause such a dust-up??


A

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 04:39 PM

There is such de-pavement in society today, I'm not surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: frogprince
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 04:54 PM

Oh, it's hard, and it's hard, and it's hard, Praise God...

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: John Hardly
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 05:07 PM

Tunes for the Cementic...

The Morning Sun Is Shining Like Red Rubber Cement -P. Siment

I Swore That I loved Her, She Didn't Ce What I Ment

The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions So I Wish You Only The Best.

Get Along Home Cinder Block, Cinder Block.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 09:24 PM

This thread and the ideas encased herein are fine in the abstract!!

But in the concrete----no.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 10:30 PM

Y'all are demented.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Peace
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 10:41 PM

"A discussion - what is anti-cementism?"

That is a hard question to answer!

Hehehe

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 11:31 PM

I FEEL A BIT AGITATED OVER THIS
I FEEL LIKE HAVING A GOOD SLUMP
OF ABOUT 90 WITH GOOD SAND A NICE
MIX OF HALF AND THREEQUARTER
AGREGATE BACKING UP TO A LARGE
HOLE PUTTING ON 4 SCHUTES
AND STRAIGHT SPITTING THE LOAD IN


I RETIRED TODAY AFTER 30 YEARS CARTING
THE GREY SHIT

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:19 AM

Concrete was invented before the wheelbarrow, and that was only invented when they built the Great Wall of China. Presumably someone finally realised that going back all that way for a few bricks each time was a bit of a pain.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 03:45 AM

Our Town by Iris Ce Ment
G ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 11:35 AM

Iris Is Demented for marrying that Iowa singer/songwriter guy!

Art

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Amos
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 11:51 AM

You could have guessed that Art would stick around in a thread like this one!!

Mortar the point, there's no punster around like him.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 11:55 AM

Nixon impeached over Aggregate Scandal!!!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 07:59 PM

"1824 Charles X becomes King of France. John Quincy Adams elected US President. JW Goodrich introduces the world to rubber galoshes. Michael Faraday invents the first toy balloon. Joseph Aspdin patents Portland cement."

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Amos
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 09:39 PM

Musta been Portland, Maine. I don't think Oregon and Washington State had been invented yet.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Alba
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 09:45 PM

"History & Manufacture of Portland Cement


In 1824, Joseph Aspdin, a British stone mason, obtained a patent for a cement he produced in his kitchen. The inventor heated a mixture of finely ground limestone and clay in his kitchen stove and ground the mixture into a powder create a hydraulic cement-one that hardens with the addition of water. Aspdin named the product portland cement because it resembled a stone quarried on the Isle of Portland off the British Coast. With this invention, Aspdin laid the *foundation* for today's portland cement industry."

I have no 'set' ideas on the matter on anti- cementism.
* Foundation...nice one eh!..lol
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 04:25 AM

Can I reinforce the argument by repeating the immortal words of Oliver Norvell Hardy, "Another fine mesh you got me into"
Sorry about these puns but as you get older you get set in your ways.
Giok ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 05:03 AM

'Things Fall Apart' by Chinua Achebe, published in 1958, is the original African novel in English which is the semninal work on anti-cementism.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: The Shambles
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 05:33 AM

Aspdin named the product portland cement because it resembled a stone quarried on the Isle of Portland off the British Coast.

What I say - from 'the Isle of Portland off the British Coast' (the original and only true Portland) - has firm foundations.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 05:59 AM

It may have firm foundations, but it's full of weird people... population 1500, surnames 3.....
A picture of a knob from Portland and a little bit of info on the area.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: The Shambles
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 08:06 AM

I have a tune called after that very knob. One called Nicodemus Knob.

It think you are wrong about the sunames (if not about the weird people).

There are 4. Comben, Pearce, White, Stone.

Actually there are a lot more sunames than these four now - but there are a lot of them with these four sunames.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Severn
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 09:12 AM

If we are getting into cementing relations, why not just do it like the Mafia does--a bit on-a the feet an' then throw''em inna the river!

If not, all you Con-Cretin-ous blockheads can argue over cementics all you want, 'cause as you've shown, the stuff can make a formidable language barrier.

Severn

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 09:51 PM

Bush being between Iraq and a hard place, knows how to mix it up, but, alas, he has no reason at all for all the rip-rap he is laying down all over that country. Strangely, the more of Iraq that is deconstructed by us, the more concrete is being transformed into dust.

As Bobby D. said, "The answer is blowin' in the wind."

I do wish that there were concrete reasons for Shrubs actions though.

P.S.----------
RIP RAP is made from the many Smallish rocks (but not small enough to be gravel)---often made by breaking up old cement and large rocks. It is used by the U.S. Army Corps Of Engineers to reinforce levees and shore lines along the rivers and waterways. STILL, the rushing waters can break it down---and carry it out to sea...

P.P.S.-------------
I am, and have never ever been guilty of anti-cementism !!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, some of my best friends are Small-ish (Rocks).

A raised fist holding one of these has become an inspirational stance for many dedicated ones these days.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 05:34 AM

Shambles - it depends on how far back you go. I had to go through the whole population of Portland looking for an ancestor who had vanished from the other end of the Bank in the 1841 census. I found him in Fleet.

But yes.. there are a few more than 3 surnames now.. but they'm all these yur vorriners who do be cumen in morn more you.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 06:00 AM

Kimberlins are what us incomers are called by real Portlanders - like my wife - (amongst other things).

Out of interest what were your three surnames? Which one was missing from my four?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 06:39 AM

But there is nothing more beaautiful, I must say,
Than framed plaited willows coated with clay.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 08:26 PM

Another interesting site about The Isle of Portland with lots of photos.

http://www.geoffkirby.co.uk/Portland/

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Gurney
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 04:38 AM

Anti-cementism. Is that what you get when concrete reaches the end of its recommended life, as some early buildings, -did I hear the Empire State?- are doing?
3:2:1 + H2O + reinforcing + sweat. Been there, done that, took the T-shirt off.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 04:48 AM

Sounds like wattle and daub to me Wilfried, as in the old song.

Wattle I do when you are far away, and I am blue, wattle I do.

I used to be able to play it on the concretina.

G

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 03:25 PM

someone who hates those agregator sites like Kelkoo and wastealotoftime.com

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 03:44 PM

Keeping in mind, as I read this thread, that the stuff that is the material for these puns is in many circles more accurately called Concrete.

It's hard to remember the difference. Definitions of both (and some other stuff).

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 04:08 PM

A gravel subject, growing graveler by the yard!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 04:37 PM

Concrete is cement and aggregate, cement is a grey dust made by grinding down and heat treating Portland type stone, it is not synonymous with concrete, merely an ingredient.

G ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: freda underhill
Date: 06 May 05 - 11:13 AM

I think its important to understand that anti-cementism is not just for intellectuals. i have mixed feelings about anti-cementism, and would draw your attention to the uplifting sentiment of concrete angels.

and I ask you? how can you hold anti-cementism in your heart, when concrete expresses the inner workings of society? Through the sculpture of concrete we discover something new .

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 06 May 05 - 11:18 AM

The final compressive strength of OPC concrete is dependant on the water/cement ratio, irrespective of mix proportions.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: jpk
Date: 06 May 05 - 05:15 PM

just remember that modern cement is only about 200 years old,we had to rediscover what the romens had known about it.and may have past it to the egyptians.and since it is nothing more than artifical stone,maybe it was used to build the big stone thingys over there.    by the way, there are a couple of books on this poss. they make a pretty good case for it!

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: jpk
Date: 06 May 05 - 05:18 PM

forgive the spelling i missed a key or two.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Once Famous
Date: 06 May 05 - 05:21 PM

Forget it. Your spelling sucks no matter what you do. I will not forgive you. Neither will Jesus.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: jpk
Date: 06 May 05 - 05:28 PM

mg. coming from you thats a real nice piece of praise,and i real dont give a rats ass what you think.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Once Famous
Date: 06 May 05 - 05:53 PM

jpk, [bleep] (for antisocial behavior)you won't give a rat's ass because you can't get it out of your mouth. You enjoy the taste too much.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,Marion Burley Griffin
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 09:14 AM

It seems the talk of anti-cementism can bring out the liverwurst in some people. the vast footpaths of concrete have their cracks, even through these a flower can always grow.

and the cracks give way to crumbles..

I met a traveler from an concrete land
Who saw: Two vast and legless hunks, so stoned
Stoned in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, some shattered visage lies, whose own,
down trodden and weary path, nor ever fixed,
Tell that its sculptor well that concrete mixed,
And yet survived, poured in this lifeless bed,
The hand that smoothed, and yet the foot that bled,
And on the pedestal these words appear:

"My name is Ozymudcattus, King of Kings:
Look upon my concrete, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away......

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 09:43 AM

I find this thread offensive. Asphaltic Concrete and other concretes have been slighted here. Anti-cementism indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 10:18 AM

The use of asphaltic concrete is an ancient practice and was mentioned a couple of times (once by me). Perhaps the puns don't run that direction (asphalt and battery rolls off of the tongue, but "asphaltic" is so close to the name of a jewish sect that it is harder to play with. . .)

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 10:20 AM

Discrimination towards Masons

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 10:36 AM

SRS. My apologies. I scanned the thread quickly and found a fair number of posts which offended me as a pavement designer and as a structural engineer. Even your link to definitions would lead the average Joe to incorrect usage of the term...

"Concrete (is) A composite material which consists essentially of a binding medium, within which are embedded particles or fragments of a relative inert filler in Portland cement concrete, the binder is a mixture of Portland cement, possibly additional cementitious materials such as fly ash and water; the filler may be any of a wide variety of natural or artificial, fine and coarse aggregates; and in some instances, an admixture."

>;o)

"I saw some grass growing through a crack in the pavement today." From the song "Jack In The Green" (I think) by Jethro Tull.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 10:48 AM

gnu, those definitions came later. My first post offered this link to the ancient stuff.

I wasn't having much luck this morning when I tried to find photos of lumps of the ancient native stuff. I'm sure they're out there though.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - what is anti-cementism?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Feb 06 - 07:06 PM

There is supposedly a mountain in Korea which is composed pf 'natural concrete'.