BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals

Subject: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: GUEST,The Curator
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 06:22 AM

I visited Belfast on Monday and was sickened to see the amount of disgusting wall murals in Loyalist areas depicting the death of Pope John Paul. Last night on Ulster television there was a report of a Presbyterian minister who did an act of the dying Pope suffering Parkinson's disease just days before his death to a full congregation, which was met with laughter. The Presbyterian Church made a statement last night night saying they will not be taking any action against Rev, Dickinson (a good old member of the Orange Order) for this deed. This is an example of what Catholics face daily in this country.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 08:19 AM

If only disgusting murals would have been the highest level of violence in and around Belfast....

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: GUEST,just a rat in the belltower
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 08:28 AM

That sounds so disrespectful, Curator. Hmmmm ... could this be why?

Suffer the Little Children: The Inside Story of Ireland's Industrial Schools, by Raftery and Eoin O'Sullivan, the duo behind "States of Fear." The three-part television documentary shook Ireland to its core when it was broadcast in 1999. The Irish Government swiftly issued an apology "to the tens of thousands of children who grew up in Ireland's extraordinary network of what were called 'industrial schools'," as Raftery and O'Sullivan write. This book (previously released in Ireland) includes new material, which documents abuse at industrial schools in even more horrific detail: maggot-ridden food, rape, starvation, savage beatings over bed-wettings, exploitative labor practices

In the 70's, when I was 14, I had a penpal who was a year older from Dublin, Ireland. He was a student at a Catholic boarding school there, just as all his brothers had been. He used to write me strange letters, saying that he wished he could tell me about the horrible things that were being done to him and to the other students at his school. But he said he couldn't tell me for fear that his letters were being opened and read by his schoolmasters; also because I was a girl and he just couldn't talk about it with a girl. At the time I had no idea what he meant, till he illustrated one of his letters one day with a lovely pencil sketch of a muscular man's hand clenching a thick cane.

I started to 'get the picture', but even so at 14 I was still too "innocent" to have the rest of the appalling truth of what he was suffering occur to me. Fortunately for him, the Irish and the rest of the world, the secrecy and taboo against even discussing these sordid matters has now become a thing of the past.

Even so, it will no doubt take a long LONG time for the people of Ireland to forget what happened to so many of them while under the "care" of the Catholic clergy. And in the meantime, incidences of public disrespect like the one Curator describes are not to be encouraged but certainly to be expected.

The Rat

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 09:14 AM

Well Lady Rat while your post is a valid one it is no more so than The original one sided post that started this thread. You cannot get a clear picture of this conflict from someone who is emotionally involved in it.
There is equal wrongs and hatred on both sides.
As far as the Industrial Schools are concerned they are no different to the children shipped out to Australia by the British government, most of whom were abused, and mistreated. Or the Australian governments removal of Aboriginal children and placing them with non Aboriginal families where they were mostly treated exactly the same way. Many governments and closed orders like churches, and sects indulged in social engineering of this sort, then of course there was a certain Mr A Hitler with odd ideas in that department.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: The Curator
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 09:16 AM

Ah hello Rat, I said these murals appeared in Loyalist areas of Belfast where the Pope is disliked. If you think the murals went up because priests abused young boys ! (in your words to be expected).
I will let other people answer your reply, Catholic priests did not touch young loyalist youths (they may have liked to) but I doubt the tramps that painted these murals were victims of sexual abuse, maybe you know something we don't ?? Please let us know more about the fly priests slipping into loyalist areas of Belfast for a bit. Shame on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: The Curator
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 09:20 AM

One sided post Giok ? Rich coming from you.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: GUEST,THE AVENGER
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 09:27 AM

BY THE SOUNDS OF THE WAY THE CURATOR HAS SPOKEN ON THE CATHOLIC PRIESTS SNEAKING IN TO ANY AREA TO ABUSE YOUNG PEOPLE HE IS NOT A CHURCH GOING PERSON

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 09:31 AM

I have no bias one way or the other, I was brought up in and around Glasgow and learned very quickly that one shower of sectarians were as stupid as the other. I dislike all religion qually!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: The Curator
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 09:34 AM

Being hypothetical, Yes there was abuse by priests, but not in The Shankill, The Village or Newtownards Road. Stop getting away from the main topic. Maybe there is defence of the Presbyterian Church going on here ? Do you want the names of their ministers involved in abuse ???. Back to the main topic please.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: GUEST,The Rat
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 09:40 AM

Catholic priests did not touch young loyalist youths (they may have liked to) but I doubt the tramps that painted these murals were victims of sexual abuse, maybe you know something we don't ?? Please let us know more about the fly priests slipping into loyalist areas of Belfast for a bit. Shame on them.

Curator, thank you for the insights. I'm not Irish and I've never been to Belfast, so I have no comment about "young loyalist youth" or "fly priests" (??? - sorry, but even those terms are strange to me)

I do know that child abuse at the residential schools is certainly not the only axe the people of Ireland have to grind with the Church. But for those who survived it, it's certainly the heaviest and most horrific.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: The Curator
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 09:56 AM

I agree with you about the abuse,I do not defend it. This thread is about a minister making a mock of the dying Pope and his church agreeing with him. If the Church of England had done it to a muslim there would have been an outcry.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 02:51 PM

Loyalist youth Rat, is the young offspring of the loyalist or Protestant community, so called because of their declared loyalty to the British crown. Fly is a dialect word meaning cunning or underhand.
You must be careful not to confuse the situation in Northern Ireland with the situation and history of the Republic of Ireland, this is a common occurence among some of the descendants of those who emigrated to the US in the 1840s as a result of the potato famine. The misguided patriotism of many of these people led an organisation called Noraid, now banned, receiving monies which were used to further the sectarian strife in the north. To be even handed in this there was also fund gathering from Protestants, largely in Scotland which in its turn also contributed to the continuation of this stupid hate war.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 08:15 PM

Here's the BBC version of the story about the Minister

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: Wrinkles
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 05:27 AM

Any links to these murals?

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: Stu
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 05:39 AM

Religion is such a wonderful thing!

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: ard mhacha
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 05:54 AM

John, has it ever got through to you that resentment through the years of tyranny by an occupying country, will leave an undying hatred of everything they stand for.

Has it ever occoured to you that Sinn Feins numerous voters are not gun-toting killers, for a lot of reasons instigated by the Unionists and their Brit defenders, most nationalists find voting Sinn Fein is the one and only means of paying the scum-bags back.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 12:56 PM

I agree Ard Macha that not all Sinn Fein voters are bloodthirsty, neither faction is all bad, but on both sides voting is on the basis of religious faith rather than on how good or bad the candidate is. On both sides campaigning is being paid for with the proceeds of crime and extortion, it has taken a totally unnecessary killing of 'one of their own' like the McCartney killing to make people think before they support. But as long as the sides involved feel as bitter about each other as you appear to things won't get a lot better.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 01:44 PM

Hatred.... makes things... better?

That's a new one on me-- maybe I'll have to give it a try.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 02:05 PM

Re read please Susan
G

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: ard mhacha
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 02:26 PM

John, so you know that all of the parties are being financed by all kinds of rackets, for someone living in Scotland you seem to know more than the residents of the wee sick.

The Blair government are going out of their way to accomadate the McCartney girls, this is in direct contrast to the Pat Finucane murder and all of the other murders of innocent Catholics set-up by the Brits dirty tricks dept, Canadian Judge Cory has repeatedly asked Blair to comply with his ruling on a public inquiry, this has fallen on deaf ears.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 03:02 PM

Giok, I was not addressing you specifically, but the overall tone of the thread. Say, how come people tend to assume each post addresses the one immediately preceding-- is it just the defensiveness around here?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 05:08 PM

Sorry Susan it was a wrong assumption on my part, as you say it was because it followed my post, mea culpa.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 04:53 AM

John a little more insight into Unionist thinking here, we are in the unusual situation of having a large migrant population employed in various jobs avoided by most of the local population.

All of these migrants, mostly from eastern Europe and Portugal are living in the nationalist areas of the large towns, these poor souls only here to better their lot, have been hounded out of every Loyalist district in the north of Ireland, as one local girl married to a Pakistan gentleman remarked, in relation to the Loyalists, "these people won`t tolerate anyone but their own kind", the couple have gone to England, this case was highlighted in the local press.   Does this tell you anything regarding, bigotry and racism?.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 05:59 AM

Doesn't surprise me in the least Ard Macha they're suffering from a siege mentality, made worse by the inclusion of Bertie Aherne et al from the republic in the peace negotiations, they just think everybody is against them. Because they have been favoured and supported, even when they shouldn't have been, by successive British governments they've come to feel untouchable. It's a bit like the king's new clothes, they haven't discovered their lack of cover yet. It all goes back to the indulgence of Carson and his cronies by the then government, it set a bad example. I just wish we could see a united Ireland, when I was over a few weeks back the border was invisible anyway, don't really see the point in maintaining the facade any more.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: GUEST,rún
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 08:39 AM

I would like to congratulate the curator for bring to the attention of every one how sick these people are who mimick the pope and kick him when he is down and ill

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 10:39 AM

What is the difference between mocking the Pope and mocking Ian Paisley?

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: Den
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 11:57 AM

The differences are many and varied. But in the context of this thread Reverend Stephen Dickinson (a protestant Minister) not so much mocked the Pope but mimicked him and his disability due to Parkinson's disease at a gospel rally in front of hundreds of people. You would think that as he is a man of religion himself his actions were, shall we say a tad inappropriate. I'm not sure that I have heard of a catholic priest publicly mimicking Ian Paisley and his afflictions. I stand to be corrected however. Den

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 12:41 PM

Den there is little danger of you being corrected, I see in to-days paper that the Lambeg drums were blasting forth in north Belfast shortly after the Pope`s death was announced, and DUP members of Ballymena council refused to enter the council chamber until after there had been a vote of sympathy on the Pope`s death.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: DougR
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 01:03 PM

Wow! It is difficult for one on the "outside" to comprehend the depth of hate that is evident in Northern Ireland. I wonder if there will EVER be peace there.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: heric
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 04:48 PM

Psuedo-apologies amaze me. This guy said: "I unreservedly apologise to anybody who would have taken offence."

Meaning, therefore, that there are some who would find it offensive, and some who would not.

Put it in geographical context, and you have a real rotter there.

He couldn't bring hinself (or be bothered) to say "I apologize for my wrongful behavior."

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: Jimmy C
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 05:33 PM

Maybe now many of you will understand previous postings from myself, Ard, Curator and others. The out and out loyalists in the 6 counties have to be the most ignorant and bigoted people on earth, read about the children going to school in Ardoyne e.g. (I do not mean all protestants - only the die hard loyalists).

I know of cases where a loyalists would not let a new catholic insurance agent inside his door, but he left it up to his wife to tell the catholic not to step inside. I know this for a fact because I was the insurance agent working in Belfast for an English company (Royal Liver) this was in 1966 before the troubles even started, these people are consumed with anti-catholic hatred 24 hours a day 7 days a week and 52 weeks of the year.

Also (Guest) - The difference between the Pope and Paisley is that the Pope is a clergyman, properly educated and trained having moved through the ranks from priest, bishop, cardinal etc.on a platform of peace and reconciliation. Paisley on the other hand received his degree via a correspondence course from somewhere in te U.S.A. His whole life and career has been built on bogotry and hatred. Thats a big difference. I sincerely hope you are not comparing these two individuals.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: Den
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 11:38 PM

Lets face it Ard, it doesn't take much to amuse the ignorant.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 07:29 AM

Giok, you hit the target with that reference to the Protestant siege mentality. It is a known and predictable factor in conflict, and any serious attempt at conflict resolution must take it on board and deal with it. (Which is what much of Senator Mitchell' work was all about.)

I can understand what makes you say that people who are emotionally involved cannot be objective, but such a view is unjustified and even a bit patronising. (OK, so comments like Jimmy C's above: "The out and out loyalists in the 6 counties have to be the most ignorant and bigoted people on earth" don't help my argument.) Also I'd say you're wrong to think that the way people vote is determined by religion. Religion now counts for much less on both sides of the divide than a generation or two ago. There is still an obvious overlap between religion and politics, but on the whole, people vote politically. Even when religious differences were more pronounced and were considered more important, many Catholics voted for Paisley expecially in European Parliament elections.

Ard, you're dead right that the Blair government has been falling over backwards to accommodate the McCartneys. We'd expect that. The estraordinary thing is that Sinn Fein have been doing the same. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw them getting a standing reception at the ard fheis, but it was obvious then that the armed struggle was finished for good. (Albeit because the IRA had won, as Brendy once said on this forum.)

When it comes to mocking Catholics and the Pope, Paisley of course has plenty of form. Way back before the troubles, more than 40 years ago, he hired the Ulster Hall in Belfast to stage a parody mass - a sell-out production of course. I was surprised to see that the minister in the latest outrage was not from Paisley's Free Presbyterians but from the Presbyterian Church.

The guy has issued craven, unqualified apologies, and his behaviour is completely beyond the pale of what would be acceptable to his own church - which is one with a liberal tradition behind it (if not in front of it!), going back to the 1798 Rebellion and the United Irishmen. There are many Presbyterians who still hold to the values of those rebels such as Jemmy Hope and Henry McCracken, and they will have been thoroughly ashamed and disgusted by what happened.

The loyalist murals can sometimes be hard to stomach, but I                      go along with Wolfgang - they're not the biggst crime on earth, and invariably it is loyalist communities that they blight.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 07:35 AM

It was common in my youth when I lived around the Glasgow area to see the graffito 'Fuck the Pope' emblazoned on many walls, which most people just ignored, and so they should.
G ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: *daylia*
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 07:45 AM

Some of the Belfast Wall Murals - but not the most recent, sorry. There's some interesting comments at that link:

"Sad Because Its Just Propaganda That Keeps The Bitterness Alive
Located: All over north belfast where i live

Its time all the bull here was over---Wall murals only create bad feeling and encourage kids to join in with all the stuff I have lived with all my aduld life-----Thats sad because I grew up during the troubles in belfast and the younger generation dont understand that its a few people runing there lives

Submitted by: Ian from Belfast, Northern Ireland"



Under The Shadow of The Paintings
Located at N. Ireland
Im 16. I have lived in n,ireland my whole life. I have grown up with troubles so i know what goes on. If you would of asked me the question, do I think murals are good I would of said they are great! They have a lot of imformation. But now I am doing an 'art project' on the murals in N. Ireland and honestly its making me sick to my stomach that I have to carry on with it, because ALL it is, is men in masks with guns and I look at these so called murals (drawning on walls!!) and think to my self is the troubles ever going to end? NO! not with an attiude like people going to draw on walls guns and stupid badges!they dont symbol nothing! the paramilitary groups are a complete waste of time! they are NOT freedom fighters they are terrorists!!!!! im only 16 and I have this attuide, is that the right attuide for a teenager!! whats the world coming to!!!!!

Submitted by Meg from N, Ireland"

Sounds like some of the young people in the area are starting to get the picture anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 11:20 AM

It was the Presbyterian association that took me aback. I was raised in that church and agnostic though I am (shh), the bulk of my social associations relate to an American Presbyterian church, which I attend with some regularity. No one I know there could relate to, or (I suspect), even understand such behavior.

As best I can interpret that rather short BBC article, the guy wants to people to know he wasn't making fun of a disability. It contains no disclaimers that he was mocking the Pope's mannerisms in the death process. I assume he was, and conclude that in his environment, he sees no need to apologize for it.

Not the biggest crime ever, of course. Somewhat enlightening, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 12:15 PM

A non christian I don't understand why these neo Nazis bother.

If you want to get even, go to silentlambs.org and download their fliers .

All you need to know about the Presbyterians right there, BTW the JW IS a Presbyterian sect.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 02:06 PM

From to-nights BBC News NI, Polish workers in Foyle Meats walked out in protest to-day as a result of verbal abuse from Protestant workers on the death of the Pope.

The Polish Support Community in Derry are meeting with Trade Union Officials to discuss the walk-out.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 02:10 PM

Peter, I see that you have been taken in by that old fable of , Catholic workers voting for Paisley, really Peter I am surprised, we have been listening to this from the first time the old bigot stood for Protestant supremacy.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: Big Tim
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 02:36 PM

The IRA won Peter, please explain.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 04:32 PM

Tim, I hope the Polish workers win.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 04:34 PM

Who won or lost, if it's all over that is, depends on which side you are on.
G

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 07:39 PM

Big Tim, read the threads. I think Brendy explained last time I quoted him.

Ard, I met and interviewed Catholics who were quite open about voting for Paisley. And they were adament that many of their friends did too. I can only go on what they said of course - they might have done the opposite in the privacy of the ballot booth.

One of the reasons they supported him was that he was seen as being effective in attracing investment and jobs to places like Strabane. He did sometimes take up such causes, as I saw for myself at the Strasbourg parliament way back in the late 70s, but only so far as it suited his own agenda. It goes without saying that such Catholics who supported him did not know where their best interests lay.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: The Curator
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 07:58 PM

Were you there for his verbal attack on the Pope when he addressed the sitting at Strasbourg ? I have lived in the North of Ireland for 50 years and met many many people, I am yet to meet a catholic who would vote for Paisley or any member of the D.U.P./Third Force. It just doesn't happen.It's only talk.Did you ever hear of any Jews in Germany in 1939 being taken under the wing of Adolf ?

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: ard mhacha
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 10:24 AM

Peter, I don`t ever remember Paisley bringing jobs to Strabane, and as for the Catholics you interviewed, I would love to have met them, c`mon you have visited here, can you imagine any Catholic telling you truthfully, that they voted for Paisley?, what were they to gain?.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: The Curator
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 11:17 AM

A nature ramble with Sammy Wilson ard.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 11:40 AM

The puzzle is more the other way round ard mhacha. I can't see why any Catholic would tell me they voted for him if they didn't. In one case I remember Catholic people shaking his hand in a well-known hotel up the Antrim coast. I asked them how they could have done that, and they said he was a "real gentleman." Some said they'd voted for him in a recent North Antrim parliamentary election (March 1974) - and would do so again.

That encounter stayed in my mind as this "real gentleman" then brought N Ireland to its knees with the UWC strike. I'd have been interested to go back and see if those folk really did vote for him again in the second General Election of that year, but didn't get the chance. I wasn't "visiting," by the way, but living and working in Belfast (1971-82).

I don't know that Paisley actually did anything for the Strabane economy, and I wasn't meaning to say he did. I should be able to pin down the dates I was there, so maybe I can track down what he said and find out if it had any effect.

Curator, no I wasn't in Strasbourg for Paisley's verbal attack on the pope. So what? Were you? Anyway, a verbal attack on the pope is not necessarily a crime, or I'd have been in jail long since.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: The Curator
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 12:54 PM

D.U.P./Third Force one here ard.And posting on the Lord's Day ! No I wasn't in Strasbourg either Peter,but saw it on the television news the next day. I was away watching the other D.U.P./Third Force members do a night raid on Clontibret.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: ard mhacha
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 04:11 PM

Peter, For years we listened to the DUP trying to put a civil face on their bigotry, I remember listening to DUP members telling us that they had Catholics vote for them, not one Catholic was produced.

When the Catholics going to Mass in Ballymena were subjected to verbal abuse and bullying by a large crowd of Protstants, this mob of bigots was led by DUP Ballymena Cllr, David Tweed, can you expect me to believe that those Catholics voted for Paisleys man in Ballymena?.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope John Paul Belfast Wall Murals
From: ard mhacha
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 06:57 AM

Tim, good win for Celtic over Hearts, and also noted the minutes silence for the Pope had to be stopped after 24 seconds, when the Hearts supporters started bellowing out all sorts of obscenities against the Pope, I am not surprised having seen, a couple of weeks ago, the Panarama programme on Scottish bigotry.