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BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos...
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Subject: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: GUEST,saulgoldie Date: 14 Apr 05 - 12:39 PM Wowee wow WOW! Now that Zippos are verboten in the people part of the plane, I feel that my life is a safe as it can be. :O Look, if it is ignition they are worried about, then matches should also be forbidden. And what about lighters that have no fuel in them (like if you get a souvenir lighter to remember your trip or one that was given to you as a gift like your company closed up and went to Malaysia and they didn't want you to go away with just the pink slip)? It is not like THEY can cause ignition! And anyway, a capo can be used to harm innocents, in that one can be badly used in a session causing irreversible pain and suffering in those unfortunates who have to listen. Why shouldn't they be banned...everywhere?!! Why is it so hard for our leaders to make reasonable, sensible policy that help rather than harms? Would electro-shock help? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: gnu Date: 14 Apr 05 - 12:43 PM Electrocution maybe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Blissfully Ignorant Date: 14 Apr 05 - 12:44 PM I thought this thread was about Things that Go Missing Down the Sides of Sofa Cushions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Once Famous Date: 14 Apr 05 - 12:55 PM Too bad, smoker. Deal with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: GUEST,Saulgoldie Date: 14 Apr 05 - 01:16 PM I was more focused on the absurdity of the whole thing rather than my personal inconvenience as a smoker, which I may or may not be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Sorcha Date: 14 Apr 05 - 01:29 PM And, just think of all the bomb making stuff you can put in a water bottle.....and the airlines are now reccomending that passengers carry on their own water....add a bit of sulphur from matches....... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 14 Apr 05 - 01:55 PM Shoelaces make pretty good garrotes. Laptops make nice clubs. There's no way to eliminate everything that could possibly be used as a weapon or pose a danger on an airplane. Well, there is, but it involves universal strip-searches and heavy sedation. At some point, the word "reasonable" needs to come into play. And a bit of dialogue, as opposed to the current approach of handing down infallible pronouncements from on high, might be a good idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Charmion Date: 14 Apr 05 - 02:49 PM The ultimate (so far) ridiculosity was perpetrated in December 2001 at Dorval Airport in Montreal, on the lady ahead of me in line to board an Air Canada flight to Paris -- they confiscated her plastic snow scraper, which she was taking home to Nice as a souvenir of her very interesting sabbatical in cold, snowy Quebec City. You couldn't cut fresh bread with that kind of snow scraper, let alone skin and sinew! Maybe they were afraid she'd stick it down somebody's throat -- a tempting prospect after being kept waiting in line for more than two hours. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Apr 05 - 04:04 PM I figure you could get rich by placing a vending machine at those security check areas with postage-paid padded mailers for people to mail the stuff they can't carry on board. The security folks were making some terribly silly decisions on what to seize (even though for a while you could still sit down to a nice steak dinner with steel steak knives inside the security area). SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: JohnInKansas Date: 14 Apr 05 - 04:32 PM Actually, it's been a violation of regulations for at least 15 or 20 years to pack a lighter in checked baggage, presumedly due to the possibility that it might explode or start a fire. Propane lighters were decreed to be likely to "rupture due to pressure differentials at altitude" in an unpressurized baggage compartment or in the event of "sudden decompression" in a pressurized one. Extensive "informal testing" in a bell jar failed to produce any such failures, so it must be presumed that this ban was largely a "because they can." Liquid fueled lighters, on the other hand, frequently did exude flammable fuel in the same tests. The actual hazard probably was a lot less than from a bottle of booze, which usually could be carried or checked (then, but not usually now). The stated limit was one lighter for personal use, although the reg has flip-flopped between "must be on your person" to "must be in carry-on baggage." Local vs Interstate vs International flight have also had slightly differing regulations. A decade ago I encountered a number of "examiners" who expressed great chagrin that my then-customary "hip flask" was a new sealed bottle, since they were "required to verify" that the contents were indeed liquor if the seal was broken, but were not allowed to break the seal. One of them actually salivated visibly (and was kinda cute that way). At some, but not all, terminals, you may be offered the option to "mail" prohibited items to yourself or to a friend rather than having them confiscated; but this depends on how much time you have available and the nearness of a mail deposit point, and on the willingness of the inspectors. Unfortunately, postal regulations technically prohibit mailing any item containing compressed gas or liquid/gas fuel, due to "hazards in automatic mail handling equipment." Pocket knives and nail clippers presumedly could be mailed. An acquaintance a few years back went through several months of "difficulties" with postal authorities when he included two 12 ga shotgun shells in a package of things a friend left at his apartment, which indicates the P.O. sometimes did then, and almost certainly does now, inspect packages fairly carefully. Ten years ago, I ran into the problem of a compressed gas bottle that was part of an emergency door actuator system. The bottle's certification had expired, so it needed to be removed from the airplane to be replaced, but ICC regulations prohibited transporting it outside the airplane without a current certification (the ramp is under ICC control, not FAA). Took us weeks to figure that out. I believe someone resorted to **SA/LLH transport, but wouldn't want to name names. Too many regulations. Not enough useful ones. **(sneak about/lie like hell) John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: GUEST Date: 14 Apr 05 - 04:36 PM Having been a student of Hap-ki-do for over 30 years I really wouldn't need a lighter, knife or gun if I wanted to take over an airplane. My hands and feet would do just fine.... Will there ever come a time when martial artist will have to register with the FAA or be bannd from flying all together? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Sorcha Date: 14 Apr 05 - 05:26 PM Mother in law just got home from Honduras....she had a conch shell in her carry on so it didn't get broken....was classed as a weapon....but she did have a chance to put in the checked bag. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 14 Apr 05 - 07:28 PM Well, if a conch shell is classified as a weapon, then we won't even ask how an accordion is classified. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Blissfully Ignorant Date: 14 Apr 05 - 07:32 PM What about rubber bands? Someone could get on a plane and ping them at people! Rubber bands are a menace to society!!! Ban them!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: John O'L Date: 14 Apr 05 - 07:37 PM Accordion? WMD of course. (A conch is more for the quiet assasination of an individual) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: GUEST Date: 14 Apr 05 - 07:42 PM I guess one could "conch" someone on the head with it.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Sorcha Date: 14 Apr 05 - 07:46 PM It had sharp points on it!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: ranger1 Date: 14 Apr 05 - 07:51 PM Long before 9/11, George Carlin did a piece on airplane security. He pointed out that you could kill someone with the Sunday New York Times. I recently flew from New England to Washington (state, not DC). They made us take off our shoes. I was probably more of a hazard with my shoes off than a bomb would have been. Not to mention the fact that my shoes are so dilapidated that they couldn't possibly conceal anything! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 14 Apr 05 - 09:05 PM "you could kill someone with the Sunday New York Times." How? By forcing them to eat it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 14 Apr 05 - 09:37 PM We flew halfway across the country today. We were asked if we had lighters OR matches. We didn't. However they missed the nailclippers we had with us. We forgot to take them out of one of our carryon bags and they were overlooked completly. But for some reason the flight attendent would not allow us to use the booster seat we had with us for our four year old. Something about a regulation and it would be dangerious in the event of a crash. I know that we've used it the last three or four times we've flown with him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 14 Apr 05 - 09:41 PM Obviously, removing shoes is just the first step. All passengers need to be naked. But then the stewardessess, should be too............. I'm off, see you later! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Peace Date: 14 Apr 05 - 09:42 PM "You couldn't cut fresh bread with that kind of snow scraper" Having lived about 25 years of my life in Montreal, I will attest that not only can one not cut fresh bread with those scrapers, one cannot scrape the bloody ice off car windows with them either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Stewart Date: 14 Apr 05 - 11:12 PM And a tuning wrench for a hammered dulcimer, confiscated at Seatac as a lethal weapon! S. in Seattle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Apr 05 - 11:13 PM They stopped collecting nail clippers a year or so back. I think I even carried my P-38 on my keychain on the last trip and they didn't assume I was going to pry open the cabin door and slice the captain's throat with the can opener portion. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: GUEST,shanghaiceltic Date: 15 Apr 05 - 12:46 AM I have a pipe knife which though it has no blade does have a spike for digging out the ashes from my pipe. I carry it in my hand luggage and have never been stopped. I was allowed to take an umbrellas on board a recent flight inside China but not a wooden bokuto or my shinai (bamboo swords for kendo). A well rolled magazine would make a very offensive weapon. Also now drinks are inspected as you are not allowed to carry on alchohol on internal flight. I saw a hapless German tourist in Beijing trying to persuade the non Greman reading security staff that his cans of beer were non alchoholic. I offered to interpret for him and was told by the staff that they did not believe it was non achoholic as why would anyone buy beer with no alchohol? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: dianavan Date: 15 Apr 05 - 01:03 AM Banning potential weapons makes no sense when they allow you to take your duty free bottles on board. How long does it take to smash a bottle and put it to someone's throat? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Leadfingers Date: 15 Apr 05 - 09:18 AM Please dont tell the authorities , but I forgot to put my mini multi tool in my hold baggage when I flew back from Portaferry - It went through the X Ray check in my Jacket pocket without being spotted !! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Ebbie Date: 15 Apr 05 - 12:29 PM The Alaska Folk Festival is going on this week. Last night a woman who had recently returned from Israel- and flown Israeli airlines - said that the safety measures they take are nothing like those in the US. Does anyone have more information about this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Apr 05 - 12:53 PM I've heard that the Israeli system is microscopic in the intensity of their inspection. Is that what you're getting at? SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: JohnInKansas Date: 15 Apr 05 - 01:02 PM Ebbie - Each airline has their own interpretation of the rules. Some rules on carry on vs checked baggage can be rather arcane, and quite a few predate 9/11 but are more carefully observed now. In addition each airport has it's own interpretation of the rules. In addition, the inspectors at each boarding gate may interpret the rules differently. This set of rules especially may change when a new shift comes on duty. In most US airports, it has been the practice to do all the inspections at central "boarding area entries," where once you've been approved you can proceed to the area specific to your airline. At these inspection points it doesn't make much difference which airline you're going to. A few places have added inspection points you must pass to get into the individual "airline's area," and you may or may not get a clear indication from the airline of what their rules will be there. A very few airlines then make an additional inspection for those boarding each specific flight, or may use the insepction at the "gate" in lieu of the one at the entry to the airline's part of the terminal. "Personal inclinations" of the boarding agent(s) and/or "what kind of nut the pilot is" may affect what they allow there. Now if you want to know what the rules are going to be, you ask ...(?) Also note that the rules may change at any time, so what they told you the day before your flight may not apply when you get there. Allow plenty of time to stop and read the current posted rules completely and carefully before you enter any inspection area. Then if necessary, you can exit and mail any "unexpected hazard" to yourself, and will only have to deal with the "port police" who determined that leaving the inspection point was "suspicious activity" under the current "terrorist profiling" standards. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: JedMarum Date: 16 Apr 05 - 09:26 AM I believe capos are banned. I had to check my bag because of it capo and harmonicas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lighters, Nail Clippers, and Capos... From: Scoville Date: 16 Apr 05 - 11:24 AM The last time I flew, I wore slippers to the airport. Red fuzzy slippers. The baggage x-ray guy looked at me funny but at least I didn't have to spend 20 minutes having my shoes examined like I did when I wore lace-up cowboy boots. My capo would be banned. I have one of those big 1970's D-shaped ones and it could definitely be used in a pinch as brass knuckles. |
