BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 09:40 PM

Mick, that's harsh and I don't understand. Why is it necessary for you to deride us for responding to nasty stuff? Might'nt it work better for you to send us PMs? Otherwise, true or not, the message that comes across is that you too cannot resist responding to the nasty stuff.

But I tell you what- I've had about enough of the Mudcat with this character in it.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 08:23 PM

It is idiotic to post here. Those that do are much worse than this Gibson character. I would say that you feed his delusions, but the fact that you continue to post indicates that this twisted individual is correct. Pains me to say that.

You get what you deserve.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:22 PM

He doesnt give a fuck. He isnt real. He is laughing his foreskin off at you all huffing and puffing over him.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Amos
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:19 PM

Marty:

I think if you want to be a spokesperson against intolerance of the kind about which you complain in your protestations about anti-Semtiism, you need perhaps to learn about the fact that you reap what you sow, and what goes around, comes around.

You sow intolerance repeatedly. Your talent for abusing people and finding new and creative ways to inform them that they are no good seems to be an endless source of amusement for you. Even it is though, you should be aware that it makes you look like an intolerant and sadistic person.

I have no idea where you learned this approach, but I promise you it only leads into a vicious entropic circle.

Anti-semitism is based on grotesque distortions and falsifications of truth about some people. Yet while you protest it, you continue to traffic every day in the most spiteful distortions about others. You give no honor to the truth when you create these infamous cavils of yours.

Why do you think this will work?

I don't understand.

It only works if your purpose is to aggravate and worsen matters. Is that the case? What are you really trying to accomplish, or prevent, here?


A

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:15 PM

harpgirl, you're absolutely right! I've lapsed again and I'm just feeding the troll. My apologies.

Okay, Marty, you're on your own!

Don Firth
(Oh shite, Marty! Not that one about not letting the door hit me in the butt on my way out yet again! If you keep using the same tired old lines, you're gonna wear out all your rubber stamps! But wotthehell! If that's all you've got. . . .)

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:14 PM

Don Firth knows more about what it feels like to experience discrimination than most people. He has to deal with it all the time from all kinds of ignorant people. And the Nazis also exterminated people with disabilities just because they had disabilities. People with disabilities have always been discriminated against and persecuted, all throughout history. I'd say that makes him an expert on what it feels like to experience prejudice and discrimination.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:07 PM

"What I am worried about Don is people like you. People who are genuine whiners and sponges in this country. who take and don't give and never did."

You know absolutely nothing about me, or anyone else you lavish your hatred on. You just string a bunch of insulting blather together, drawn from no actual knowledge, just your own slimy imagination, and spray it out there indiscriminately, like a frightened skunk.

And Marty, I only submitted one article to Sing Out! And here's the kicker:   they asked me to write the article. And the articles I'm writing for the other music magazine:   I was asked to do those also.

As a literary critic, Marty, you should stick to the kind of material you know:   pumping out septic tanks.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: harpgirl
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:02 PM

When are all you people going to get through your thick numbskulls that mg is a made up character and therefore is neither jewish nor anything else he claims to be???? He has said this repeatedly.

You people who interact with him as if he were a real person with these beliefs, are delusional. He is here to be divisive and profane and to behave anti-socially and for no other reason.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: jpk
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 06:15 PM

you know,if aleins ever land here and run into mg.,we will be in deep kimshee,they will meet him and decide that there isn't any intellegent life here on earth.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 05:54 PM

OK, Guest. Have it your way. n & m are next to each other. I'm so sorry, I hit the wrong key. Please forgive me if you can.

How's this"

One measly article in Sing-Out and then they said, no thank you to any more.

Better now?

Or maybe it was, " One lousy article in sing Out and they said, don't bother sending us any others.

I never claimed I was a big time pro writer like Don Firth professes to be, Guest, Whuh. And please, you could change your name to something with better grammar, like Guest What. "whuh" is what someone uneducated would use.

Thanks for allowing me to respond. I enjoyed it.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Whuh?
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 05:36 PM

"Ome measly article in Sing-Out and then they said, no thank you to any more."

Maybe you should learn the difference between "m" and "n".

You really are pathetic, even your insults are bankrupt of thought. Either you parrot back legitimate criticism of yourself as an insult to your betters or you say asinine things like that quoted above which belittle you and elevate them. Don't you realize that anyone reading that is going to wonder how many articles you have had printed in "Sing Out", but they won't wonder for long. As they read your writing they will know the answer.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CStrong
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 05:28 PM

NR

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 05:27 PM

Paranod ? Ome ? Slipping...slipping....

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From:
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 04:56 PM

See, students? Just like I predicted.

And we're all students of the human condition, Marty, even those such as you, who do little but sit in the back of the classroom of Life and alternate between shooting spit-wads and sulking.

My life experiences are hardly limited, Marty. Nor have they been limited in recent years merely because I'm in a wheelchair. I am not "holed up most of the time in [my] little living space" as your limited knowledge and imagination would apparently like to think. I probably won't be climbing Mt. Everest (that never was high on my agenda), but there is damned little else that I can't do and not many places that I can't go.

You seem to be one of these small-minded people who assume that anyone with a disability should be locked away in a tower room somewhere and forgotten about. Well, sorry. The world is somewhat more civilized than that—even if you aren't. I would have thought that after the general response to your first attempts to use people's disabilities and illnesses as fodder for your bile, you would have learned by now, but I guess not.

Not true and meaningful, Marty. Just nasty. And it's pretty obvious to everyone here that the one with the self-esteem problem is you. That's why you keep starting threads like this. To hide behind your paranoia about anti-Semitism (you're the one who keeps bringing it up) and have your pathetic little ego stroked.

Let's give it a rest, folks. Leave this sad little specimen to twist in the wind, dangling on a noose formed by his own self-loathing.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 04:26 PM

don't be concerned Cstrong. Just keep saying stupid things that have no effect on me because you identify with the socialist liberal mentality so much and keep taking my threads to the top again.

If you don't, I will continue to. But thanks, anyway. No one is babbling but you and a few others here, mostly guests, who are embarrassed at this point by their liberal, socialist, anti-semetic behavior.

I have a few more articles ready, if you are interested.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 04:24 PM

I've noticed that poor Martins spelling gets worse and worse. And he rags on other people about their spelling as well. Yes - it's easy to see that he's going downhill quickly.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CStrong
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 04:20 PM

I'm not kidding, guys. He's on a downhill slide that is more than likely pathological. Note the deterioration of his posts: he makes less sense with each one. It;s not erratic, but steadily regressive.

Until and unless he seeks help, I'm suggesting a no-response-at-all policy. We might be contributing to his condition.

This is not a taunt, Martin. Your health concerns me.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:37 PM

Oy Vey 100

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Peace
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:27 PM

"P.S. I'd rather be a cunt than a mutilated prick."

Don't lead with your chin.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From:
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:17 PM

Among my friends and acquaintances are a substantial number of people of the Jewish faith. None—not one—behaves the way Martin Gibson does.

In fact, no one I know, of any faith (or none at all), national origin, racial identification, or ethnic background behaves the way Martin Gibson does. I have met one or two people over the years who did behave in such a manner, but they were anti-Semitic, or racist, or bigots of one form or another, or just plain ignorant, nasty people.

Marty, if people get on your case, it's not because of your religion or ethnic background; it's because of your uncivilized behavior.

(Now, students, notice, the subject's ignorant, nasty response to what I have just said.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:16 PM

well, guest, I think you are completely wrong.   

Your lectures to me are quite laughable and you do a fine job of representing a handful of morons here. Keep up the good work. I enjoy the laugh.

Please learn the difference between a "sensor" and a "censor"

I take you about as seriously as the Mothra fairies. Try to get me out of your head. OK? You will be happier and maybe not offend so easily. Kick back and grow some skin.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 02:30 PM

Mudcat sensors, Please note that the word Jerk is being used as a descriptive term.

"I don't spread anti-semitsm, carolC. I have felt anti-semitism at verious stages of my life.

the only anti-semitism I spread is my truth about it in your face as I have been doing rather successfully here. Makes you and your friends here hate the Jews even more than you already do. i have not written the articles I have posted, but they were written by people of my faith, not yours."

Marginal Gibbon

What you don't seem to realize is that it is pretty apparant to everyone who reads what you write, including Brucie and Little Hawk, you belong to at least two minorities. You may be a Jew, we have only your word for that. But it is plain to see that you also qualify as a jerk. It should be plain even to you that those who encourage you do so because they enjoy laughing at your buffoonery. That is, laughing at you and not with you. To them you are a clown, nothing more than entertainment. Have some pride, stop embarrassing yourself by invoking their names.

Martin I really doubt that you HAVE felt anti-semitism. I realize that I ask you this since you are both a Jew and and incredibly ignorant, insulting and anti-social jerk. How can you possibly tell the difference between anti semitism and anti-assholism?

By acting like a moronic jerk while "proudly" proclaiming your Jewishness you seem to be trying to associate the two in our minds. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but we have no trouble seeing when you actually represent Jews, which is nearly never, and seeing when you are representing Assholes which is often.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 01:44 PM

Gibson at the last Mudcat Gathering

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 12:50 PM

There are different races, so stop denying it. they all have traits and characteristics that are the root of stereotypes.

However, Jewish is not a race and it is kind of stupid to think so.

Most Jews are of the caucasion race, fot the apparently uninformed here, although that is not at all exclusive.

And the article was posted because it is the opinion of one respected journalist.

Please stop the whining denial. also, making the excuse that anti-semitic rmarks can't be identified, that's a total crock. complete and total bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: freda underhill
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:33 AM

I agree, Pied Piper, one human race. this article on the genetic lineage of european jews points out that in ancient Israel, the Jewish priesthood was handed from father to son. But at some time from 200 B.C. to A.D. 500, Jewish status came to be defined by maternal descent. Even though the founding mothers of most Jewish communities were not born Jewish, their descendants were.

New genetic data dispels the theory that european and other Jewish communities around the world were formed by families who were fleeing persecution or making invited settlements. A new study now shows that the women in nine Jewish communities from Georgia, the former Soviet republic, to Morocco have vastly different genetic histories from the men. In each community, the women carry very few genetic signatures on their mitochondrial DNA, a genetic element inherited only through the female line. The women's genetic signatures are not related to one another or to those of present-day Middle Eastern populations.

in other words the men married out. if you take the more recent theory that you have have a Jewish mother to be Jewish, then there goes all the Jewish communities outside the Middle East.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Pied Piper
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 05:56 AM

So Martin is 100% Jewish (whatever that means), is there a test?

There is no such thing as the Jewish race, the white race the black race or any other race.
There is only one "race" and that's the Human race, and Martin represents an all to common aspect of it.


PP

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 12:14 AM

I wish more Jews could see what the so-called Jewish, Martin is doing. He is trying to incite anti-semitism by being as uncouth as possible. By starting a thread such as this, he is trying to label all liberal thinkers as anti-semites because their social/political views due not coincide with his non-religious beliefs. He trolls for anti-semitism and then tars everyone with the same brush. This is man who cannot separate religion from politics. He is no better than the Muslims who do the same. Martin Gibson should strap on a suicide bomb and end his charade. He might emerge as a human being with a true identity.

P.S. I'd rather be a cunt than a mutilated prick.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 09:14 PM

There have been anti-Semitic remarks, I agree. But not even one that I know of from an identifiable member. Regardless of Marvin's contentions, LIBERALS, by their very nature are not racist or anti-Semitic. LIBERALS want to do well - and they want EVERYONE else to also do well. If they do not feel that way, they are NOT liberal.

Jack the Lad: "It does seem to me that some people here just lick their chops when they can get another dig in either at Israel, the Jews or both. Not to mention the foulmouthed utterances of someone else- to defend the above.( whom I reluctantly have to admire for his doggedness and determination)"

Doggedness and determination are not necessarily good qualities, Jack the Lad. When the means are destructive, vicious and ignorant to an extreme, surely you would agree that doggedness and determination are qualities no one should cultivate.

I can only believe that you have not read this individual's posts enough to get any idea of what the man stands for.

If you have read his posts and still have a sneaking admiration for him, you got a problem, man.

Which is hard for me to believe. I have read your posts.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 06:12 PM

I saw a couple of them, Sleepless Dad. And when I did, I sent Joe a PM and requested that they be deleted. And they were.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 06:10 PM

Ok. I'll address this one...

CarolC, anyone so obsesses as you have been to rip Israel does not certainly does not convince me.

I'm not the one starting all of the threads. In fact, I've never started a single thread on this subject. You are the one who is obsessed.

That military is there to protect their borders.

It's not the military at the borders that I am talking about. I suport the presence of the military at the borders. It's the military that is inside of those locations that I have been talking about.

and there are much more non-Jews in Israel and part of their society AND government than for sure the other way around and you know it.

Are you saying that there are more people in Israel who are not Jewish than there are Jews in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem? This may be so. And I think it's great to have Jews living in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. Just not in segregated, Jewish only settlements. I whole-heartedly support any Jews who want to live as Jewish Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem in Palestinian villages along with the other Palestinians.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 06:04 PM

I would love to see some of the antisemitic posts that you talk about. I don't think they exist. If they do exist then it's wrong. My guess is that the posts got nastier after Martin got out of control. He has no one to blame but himself. But racist comments are always wrong.

I still haven't heard why Martin thinks is alright to call a woman a C**t - it's just as bad a word as j****y.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:55 PM

You're right. but now you use that as a cop-out, Carolc

I will address the issues to guest,sensitive.

The anti-semitism element of Mudcat is severe whether I use profanity or not. Much profanity was aimed at the ones who were anti-semitic or at best, complete idiots who deserved it.

Your right. some posts do get deleted. Unfairly as I have pointed out to Joe. but the majority do not. so, yes I am controlling my profanity, but not the points that need to be made which, based on the overwhelming response on them, I have done as successful as could be.

And you are again right. I get no charge out of debating here.

I don't owe anyone a debate on my opinion. If you want to respond, fine. I just think that if your opinion is full of crap, I will tell you so, also. Why tell you why? I don't care.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:49 PM

As I said before Martin - "cunt" and "dirty Jewboy" are both wrong. Ignore it if you will. But they are both wrong. It's a shame you are such a misogynist.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:46 PM

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, Martin. You are not worth the time or the effort because, as you, yourself have said so many times... you do not exist.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:44 PM

Agreed Sensitive. But I doubt that Martin will address those issues. He's unable to do that. He'll respond with an insult that will have nothing to do with the recent questions.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,sensitive at the moment.
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:34 PM

It might also be of interest that this swing of Martin Gibson's onto this issue of Anti-semitism has sprung force since the deleting of many of his posts, on various subjects, that were degrading at best and downright disgusting at worst.
It would appear since He is unable or unwilling to adjust his communication skills that his Mission (doggedness and determination) has been to undermine, bait, insult but never debate ( he states he does not come into this Forum to do so) the three threads he has started on this important issue.
I would suggest that some of the replies to martin gibson's posts, which are angry or retalitory are not based on his faith but on his previous and continuing treatment of people here.
Personality not Principles.
Most of the anger and frustration is aimed at martin gibson the Cyber persona and not at a person with a made up name that claims to be Jewish, how can people be sure of this statement when the behaviour of the person making it is so bizzare and aggresive for no reason at times?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: jpk
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:28 PM

does mg. really have any jewish blood in him, or is he just whinning for sympathy.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:26 PM

To repeat the question before Martin forgets --

Martin - You often call the women here "cunts" on a regular basis - in order to insult and degrade. Do you see any difference in that and IF I were to call you a dirty Jewboy in order to insult you ? I don't see any difference. BOTH ARE WRONG. Why do you keep playing the race card ?

The last 6 guest posts have been mine. Sleepless Dad

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:10 PM

Jack - Most of the insults you see directed at Jewish people are misdirected anger toward Martin. My guess is that you will see very few posts of that sort before he arrived. If you find them please cut and paste so we can see what's gone on before. I've never seen them.

There is a big difference between being at odds with the policies of a country's government and hating the people of that country.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:04 PM

Jack the Lad, the person who posts as GUEST,Allen also lives in Israel. Israel is represented here. Unfortunately, we don't also have any Palestinians posting here who live in the West Bank, Gaza, and/or East Jerusalem to tell us about their experiences in those places.

Despite all of Martin Gibson's lies to the contrary, I do support the existance of Israel. The problem I have with many of the arguments of people who are talking about the "new anti-Semitism" is that they don't take into consideration the many people, both Jew and non-Jew, who support the existance of Israel, but who are working to try to end the military occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem and the segregated, Jewish only settlements in those places. To try to suggest that those of us who support the existance of the State of Israel but who want to see an end to the occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem are anti-Israel and anti-Semitic, as Martin Gibson does, and as do many of the articles he has been posting here in the Mudcat, is not only totally dishonest, it is also hateful.

I support the existance and security of the State of Israel. I also support all of those people, inside of Israel as well as outside of it, both Jew and non-Jew, who support an end to the military occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, and an end to the segregated, Jewish only settlments.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:01 PM

Martin - You often call the women here "cunts" on a regular basis - in order to insult and degrade. Do you see any difference in that and IF I were to call you a dirty Jewboy in order to insult you ? I don't see any difference. BOTH ARE WRONG. Why do you keep playing the race card ?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Jack The Lad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:56 PM

Why do you feel I lost my courage, Ebbie? Because sometimes these discussions make me feel sick to my stomach?
There is a lot of provocation going on here. It does seem to me that some people here just lick their chops when they can get another dig in either at Israel, the Jews or both. Not to mention the foulmouthed utterances of someone else- to defend the above.( whom I reluctantly have to admire for his doggedness and determination)
Jack The Lad

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:49 PM

Are you listening to Jack Martin ?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:47 PM

Martin, you use the charge of anti-Semitism as a tool of power and punishment on anyone who pisses you off for any reason whatever, and on anyone who disagrees with you on any subject whatever. And, like some of the people in some of the links you have provided, you are using the term anti-Semitism as a tool of power to silence any dissent on a subject that is political in nature.

These are not legitimate uses of that term, and they will cause the spread of anti-Semitism just as much as hate speech will, in their own way.

It's not about equality for you. For you, it's all about supremacy. You are a Jewish supremacist.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:43 PM

Jack the Lad, I was cheering for you - and full of hope - until your last paragraph, where it seems to me you lost your courage.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:40 PM

Are you listening to Jack Martin ?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Jack The Lad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:36 PM

I wonder if I am the only Mudcatter actually living in Israel.
I feel that I may be one of the few who actually knows what it is like here. I don't post much , because of the blind ignorance and thinly veiled, or even blatant hatred of some who do.
I left my homecountry many years ago and came to live in Israel, partly to escape the incidents of antisemitism as I met as boy there.Isolated incidents, but nonetheless enough to cause me to want to escape them
I am proud of the many achievements of Israel in fields beneficial to humankind- too numerous to mention.
I am proud of the multicultural and multiethnic facets of Israel.
I am proud of the fact that when walking the streets of Tel Aviv I see white, brown, yellow and all shades and hues of people walking, working an living side by side. Israel was the first and one of the only countries to accept a boatload of Vietnamese refugees adrift on the ocean- and give them citizenship. I am proud of Israel's airlifts of poverty stricken , sick and starving communities,to Israel, giving them new lives and hope.I am proud of schools such as the one in which I teach, accepting Muslims, Christians, Arabs and Jews, no questions asked, treating them equally and giving to each whatever he/she needs. Apartheit- pshaw! Utter rot- nonsense.
I am proud of the fact that I can demonstrate- speak out- publish write- sing what I like- about whomsoever I like- or about whatever I dislike.
I deplore what religious fanatics do in the name of God- or in the name of what they believe to be their God given right- yet I will defend their and my own right to live here. Hopefully soon , in peace with our Palestinian neighbours-. I will do whatever it takes to bring that peace about- and hope that our "enemies" too will arrive at that realisation.
Israel will live , peace will come and no amount of antisemitism or anti-Israelism will move me or the hundreds of thousands of others who share my views from working towards those shared goals.
I think it is sad and sick for Mudcat that no subject seems to provoke so many threads at once or so much animosity, so many snide little digs,or open hatred, as anything or anyone who mentions Israel, antisemitism or Jews. I dislike the trolling - on whatever side , which goes on, causing inhabitants of the pond to rise to the bait,swallowing all sorts of nonsense, hook line and sinker.
Jack The Lad

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:33 PM

You havn't answered my question - why do you ask for empathy and offer none in return ?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:17 PM

Martin - You seem to ask and demand empathy - yet you offer none in return. Why is that ?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 03:55 PM

I don't spread anti-semitsm, carolC. I have felt anti-semitism at verious stages of my life. You, on the other hand have no clue as to how it feels in your gut.

the only anti-semitism I spread is my truth about it in your face as I have been doing rather successfully here. Makes you and your friends here hate the Jews even more than you already do. i have not written the articles I have posted, but they were written by people of my faith, not yours.

As I have said before, I am a proud Jew who belongs to a great synagogue. You will never be able to make that statement CarolC, and because you can't, you will never really know what anti-semitism really is, and how it makes one feel who is a Jew. Never.