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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 10 - 09:15 PM Man, brings new meaning to "let's get stoned", don't it, gn-ze??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 09 Sep 10 - 01:51 PM Here's the windup... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 23 Aug 10 - 07:25 AM Hey Bobert... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 13 Aug 10 - 03:38 PM I did this with a black bear at the window of my trailer (caravan). But, I was in a trailer and I had a shotgun I could easily get to. No way "my" bear coulda got at me. If I was in that tent, I woulda done the same thing that buddy did to the polar bear. And, then, I woulda changed me drawers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 29 Jul 10 - 03:29 PM Out for lunch and shopping for the cubs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: kendall Date: 27 Jul 10 - 10:19 PM If someone has posted this I didn't see it. Black Bears.... Fight back with anything you can use as a weapon! Even a tree branch or a bush, go for the eyes. No predator will risk its eyes. And, Dave is right about using a modern rifle bullet. Do not ever fire a .410 shotgun with a modern bullet in it.. Check the thickness of the shotgun, then a modern rifle barrel. See for yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Ebbie Date: 27 Jul 10 - 01:54 PM lol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: GUEST,redhorse at work Date: 27 Jul 10 - 08:26 AM I remember reading somewhere that the way to tell a black bear from a grizzly is to shout at it. If it's a black bear it'll run up a tree If it's a grizzly you'll run up a tree.......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Ebbie Date: 26 Jul 10 - 07:32 PM I keep reading this as 'Livin' with Black Beans... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: olddude Date: 26 Jul 10 - 07:28 PM It would take me 100 years to list my encounters with the critters. I never once hunted one or had to shoot one. I have had to climb a tree when I walked between a mom and her cub ... she would have killed me if she could ... that was my worst encounter. Most of the time you yell at them , throw some sticks and they take off ... But yes that can kill you but attacks were always pretty rare in my neck of the woods .. usually again only when they have cubs. At least in Pennsylvania. Now here in western NY ... I never ran across one but they are here. I have seen many tracks but haven't see any of them. now a grizzly ... another story entirely ... big , mean and will hunt you. I am well armed when I walk in that valley of the shadow of death |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 26 Jul 10 - 06:25 PM Maybe it will teach this particular bear not to contact humans... without having to kill it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Ebbie Date: 26 Jul 10 - 02:42 AM by Rebecca Palsha Thursday, July 22, 2010 ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Almost nothing is as startling as finding a black bear on your porch -- even if you're Anchorage Police Department spokesperson Lt. Dave Parker. A small black bear was causing trouble at homes on the Anchorage Hillside Thursday morning. Parker thinks the same bear snuck up onto his porch. "I could tell the bear was shocked by the whole thing -- it was certainly startled," Parker said. "I noticed it, this morning, was out on our porch again and was going into a fish fryer that we have out there -- I grabbed my rifle just in case and thought, 'I didn't want to shoot this bear.'" It was the Police |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Tangledwood Date: 25 Jul 10 - 07:55 PM Nowadays a taser is considered pretty fool proof. Please tell me that the general public cannot buy tasers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: ollaimh Date: 25 Jul 10 - 06:26 PM i used to live in the high british columbia rockies back decades ago. we had an immediate neighbour who riased malamutes, we usuall had seven or more at a time. bears stayed away, however you do have to train them not to chase bears, id they catch it they will get injured and run right back to you with the bear in chase. this goes for any doges. malamutes are smart and trainasble but very wildn so you need some dog mastery or they will run your life. the guy with a 44 magnum, good luck. you can't kill a grizzly with anyn hand gun unless you get the shot of a lifetime right innt eh cemntre of the heart or brain. even an off centre hit on brain or heardt a grizzly has been known to run of a further quarter mile at thirty miles an hour and very angry. your really are better off with bear spray quality pepper spray or a real hunting rifle--but the rifel only of you really know how to use it. wounding a grizzly is usually a death sentece for both of you. you are more likely to survive a grizzly arract by rolling in a ball and staying calm(not easy) than wounding the bear. small grizzlies can clomb trees and big ones can knock them down so better to back off slowily and have pepper spray att hand. now we had well trained dogs and were brutasl with garbage regulations and we rarely had any bear trouble. more than once we met tourists wanting to hike to see the grizz. i'd just shake my head. when assjed directions i'd say"we don't hike in their territory and hopefully they won't hike in ours" they were c locall ycalled fool killers. most deaths weretoruists hiking in grizzly country. grizzlies are territortial. when in their own territory they are very agressive, but their home territory is mostly up high and remote. they seem to really hate humans and other bears and try to live alone except when mating. when crossing your territory foraging they are much less agressive. i watched a neighbour shout at one till it left(i ran for the high powered rifle but didn't need it). but it was in his garden and it knew it was out of its territory. it was going down to get the salmon run. if you want to see a lot of bears at once find the local salmon run--i don't advise it but i did it carefully once from a cliff above. hundreds of bears catching and eating. the grizzliesa and the black bears stayed on opposite sides of the river, and the mothers were fattening up the young so they were too preoccupied to notoce people. still i wouldn't go down and fish. generall if you don't do dumb things you have no trouble. grizzlies do bnot hibernate all winter. they get up once or twice to fatten up again. yu really don't want to meet one then. so when cross country skiing still keep you eyes open, and take a trained malamute. the dog will notice the bear long before you do. i was up high once with three senior dogs(the best trained) and one grumbled and i looked down about a thousand or fifteen hundred feeet, and there was a grizz standing and sniffing the air. bead of winter and lots of snow. i skiied about five miles out of my usualy way to get home. bears don't like horses as stated but if a bear sppoks a horse you're in trouble. two ranchers i knew dies that way. they weren't found for months when people noticed the smell. the grizzly will burry a corpse to soften it up for later. on the whole though they were intertaining neighbours as long as you strictly do not feed them or put any garbage or compost anywhere they can smell or get at |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Ebbie Date: 25 Jul 10 - 06:15 PM "Regularly piss on a half dozen trees at the perimeter of your property - the higher up the tree, " gnu, May 9 05 You have any advice for women *g* "...don't try to race them, don't talk to them. "Rap May 9 05 I had in interesting - and nnn-threatening - experience once in talking to one, Rapaire. "...folks are recommending a chain link (cyclone) fence with an electic wire and close to the house." 'Bobert May 13 05 The National Forest Service, Bobert, on occasion does experimental plantings as well as various other plots in the wilderness. They routinely string the area with a single strand of electric wire, set up with gasoline generators. Keeps all manner of bears away. Nowadays a taser is considered pretty fool proof. Did you see the recent story of a bear that was tased on someone's front porch. Got to say it may me feel sorry for the bear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 24 Jul 10 - 07:47 PM ÉÉÉÉ.... oh... my keyboard went south again. É = question mark ... and I picked up stones from a brook and got the bear to follow the sound when I threw them and I took my stones the hell outta there in the opposite direction. Can`t be arsed to post the rest of the story again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 24 Jul 10 - 06:42 PM A hundred pound bear? The bastard! I ain't never shot a bear. Even though I been face to face with some bad bastard bears. And I mean face to face. Just stared each other down and I won (I had firepower so I ain't "brave" er stupid). I also been stalked by a few, but I outsmarted them and never had to use deadly force. Only time I was ever scared was when I was deep in the woods and bein stalked and all I had was a knife. But I had a good arm and I picked up ston |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Bobert Date: 24 Jul 10 - 05:31 PM Well, since beginnin' this thread, what, 4 years ago, I have learned to respect the bears but not fear them... I've have several encounters with them and with the exception of one where I had to detour all the rest ended up with the bear running away from me as fast as it could... I mean, I like bears for the most part... Seein' as there are a couple million acres of woods behind our farm I have let about 3 or 4 people come up to hunt... One guy shot a 100 pound bear and it broke my heart to see that little bear dead on the back of his truck so I told him we didn't appreciate him killin' a bear and the couldn't come back... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 24 Jul 10 - 04:11 PM November in Virginia? Are they hybernating in Toyotas? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Donuel Date: 24 Jul 10 - 03:15 PM This year Virginia will have a three day open hunting season on black bears. I understand this is the first one in a very long time. I am guessing but I thought I heard Sept 26 to 29. I am pretty sure it was not November since they want them out and about for the hunt and not hybernating. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 24 Jul 10 - 02:08 PM Grizzly theft auto? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 24 Jul 10 - 02:07 PM Hello, Allstate Insurance? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: frogprince Date: 31 May 10 - 07:26 PM Which adds a whole new literal sense besides the usual usage of "I'm here to tell you". : ) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Riginslinger Date: 31 May 10 - 07:21 PM I think it was my first real job--I was driving a water truck for some ol' boys who were loggin' down around Happy Camp. The very first day, a little bear rolled down the hill and I hit him with the water truck. He jumped up and scampered up a tree. I got out to see if he was hurt, when I heard this really loud roar behind me. It was Mama Bear. I'm here to tell you, it didn't take me long to get back in the cab of that truck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 31 May 10 - 11:39 AM Ahhhh... what did they think was gonna happen... Mon May 31, 7:31 AM By The Associated Press ANCHORAGE, Alaska - A hiker shot and killed a grizzly bear with his handgun in Alaska's Denali National Park, officials said. A man and woman reported that they were hiking Friday evening when the bear emerged from trailside brush and charged the woman, park spokeswoman Kris Fister said in a statement. The man fired nine rounds from his .45 calibre, semiautomatic pistol at the animal, which then stopped and walked into the brush. The two reported the shooting to rangers, who restricted access to the Igloo Canyon area for fear that the bear was wounded and dangerous. On Saturday, rangers found the dead bear about 100 feet (30 metres) from the shooting site. Park officials are determining the justification for the shooting. It's legal to carry firearms in that area of the park but illegal to discharge them. Rangers said it was the first known instance of a grizzly bear being shot by a visitor in the wilderness portion of Denali, formerly called Mount McKinley National Park. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: mg Date: 19 May 10 - 10:04 PM I have dental floss and q-tips and magic markers and I do know how to use them..they are right next to my computer should someone invade my property..or a black bear..and we have tons of them here. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 19 May 10 - 11:28 AM Lucky man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Rapparee Date: 05 Jul 05 - 11:45 AM Our Uncle bobert's not right in the head He's been that way all his life, my mother said Its not that he's violent or falls down the stairs Its just he goes living, living with bears He goes li li li living, living with bears Raggy bears, shaggy bears, baggy bears too There's nothing on earth Ol' Bobert won't do So he can go living, li li li living He can go living, living with bears Well we begged and we pleaded, "Oh please won't you stay" But he upped and moved hisself off to Luray, And the bears all barged in and they took him away Now he's living with black bears Grizzlies and Cave Bears, And the place demands all of his time every day. CHORUS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: GUEST,gnu Date: 05 Jul 05 - 10:43 AM Wouldn't let me post as gnu, sooo When I got to my camp on Friday, a young black bear took off from under the camp like a bat. Guess he figured I wasn't coming back due to my long abscence. And, it's nice and cool under there. SOB ripped the door off the fence on the side of the camp but didn't do any other damage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: LilyFestre Date: 05 Jul 05 - 12:22 AM Bobert... Have you seen any bears yet? How about some photos? I saw a big ole black bear last week...strolling through a struggling corn field....got a photo of him too....kinda far away....but stull..he was BIG! Bears are an interesting sort. I am scared to death of them yet intriqued to the point of being able to watch them for hours...from a distance or inside a car. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Rapparee Date: 28 Jun 05 - 09:14 AM Hmmm...does Tim's make special muffins and things for this purpose? Can you go in a get a dozen "Bear Bait Bagels"? I'd like to try them. Why is there no Tim Horton's in Pocatello -- I know that they've got 'em in the States. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: gnu Date: 28 Jun 05 - 06:44 AM From today's Times & Transcript, Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada: A young black bear visited a few backyards on Waterfall Drive in Riverview yesterday. Here, the bear checks out the live trap set up by the Dept. of Natural Resources. The trap was filled with Tim Hortons muffins, bagels and doughnuts since 'Everyone loves Tim Hortons.' The bear was capatured and taken out of the town. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Rapparee Date: 19 Jun 05 - 10:39 PM Ralph was two and just barely talking. Tony was showing me his new, double barreled (side-by-side) shotgun. Ralph toddled up to the table where we were sitting, pointed at the shotgun and said to me, "Daddy's tools. Don't touch!" and walked away. I'm not saying that nothing untoward has never happened. My brothers, one Christmas afternoon recently, were sitting in the porch swing talking. Out came nephew Ted, the youngest of the nine Nozdral, with the blowgun his father had bought himself for Christmas (don't ask why!). Ted had been shooting it at targets all day. This time he shot a dart into his father's...fundament. When his father returned to Earth, the blowgun was quickly put away by Ted's uncle Ted, while the boy's father was having hydrogen peroxide poured onto his backside by his wife (who was none to steady due to excessive laughter). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Jun 05 - 09:41 PM Isn't it fun when you can surprise your children like that? (One of my favorite scenes in the novel To Kill a Mockingbird is the children's astonishment when Atticus is called to shoot the rabid dog). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Rapparee Date: 18 Jun 05 - 10:22 PM If you have weapons you must must must take responsibility. THAT was drilled into me when I first went to learn to shoot at the age of 12. "You," they said, "are responsible for where that bullet goes. You. Not your mom, not your dad, not the guy next you, not your best friend, but YOU." And I can still recite the "10 Commandments" -- and I try to live them (as does all of my family, including my sister): Treat every gun as if it were a loaded gun until YOU, personally, have proven otherwise. Be sure of your target. Be sure of your backstop. NEVER point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot. ...and so on. Six hours of safety instruction before we could even think about firing five rounds at the firing line. Why? Why did my mother insist that each of her four children fire the first two "ranks" at the rifle range? In her words, "There are a lot of guns out there and I want you kids to at least know which end it which." It took, with a vengenance. Each of my brothers hunts and shoots and has firearms in the house -- and each of my brothers' children (nine of them, total, but it seems like more) knows how to handle firearms responsibly. And my sister? Well, here's a little story. Back in 1991 I bought a bolt action .22 rifle for target shooting. And I took it apart one day, put it in a gun case and took it over to show my brother Tony. At his house one evening I reassembled it and handed it to him -- he looked it over, and then (naturally) his two oldest sons HAD to look it over. I was starting to disassemble it and put it away when my sister said, "Let me see it, Mike." So I handed it to her, and the two boys started to snicker. I mean, Aunt M is going to look at Uncle Mike's rifle? This is gonna be GOOD! It was. She dropped the magazine, opened the bolt, checked the chamber, flipped the rifle over, stuck her little fingernail into the breech to reflect light up the barrel, closed the bolt, clicked the trigger, put the rifle to her shoulder to get the feel of the balance the rifle, put the magazine back, handed me the rifle, and said, "Nice." The two boys were left with their jaws on the floor...and now, with a younger sister who can (if she wishes) outshoot either of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Peace Date: 18 Jun 05 - 08:44 PM We aren't seeing many here just now. Give it a month. They'll be all over the place, and we can expect some--three or four MVCs as a result. Moose, deer, elk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: bobad Date: 18 Jun 05 - 08:33 PM You sound like a very responsible gun owner Rapaire, if only all the others were like you America would be a safer place. What a coincidence about the moose. I was coming home from a trip to the big city a couple of hours ago and there was a young moose, about the same as in the pic but probably female (cow ?) just beside the road a couple of kilometers from my place. She jumped and bounded off at the sight of the car. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Rapparee Date: 18 Jun 05 - 07:41 PM Wow! There was a picture (scroll down, on the right) in today's paper of a moose (!) in one of the city parks! That's two moose in town so far this year (and one cougar in Chubbuck, just across the street). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Rapparee Date: 18 Jun 05 - 07:36 PM Got me, bodad. I keep the permit up for two reasons: first, my wife's an attorney and in the past she's worked with various security forces investigating illegal drug activity (crack, actually) and second, since I have firearms in the house it forces me to periodically brush up on firearms safety. And no, I'm not getting rid of my guns. They are locked up, with trigger locks, inside a "gun safe" locker. Ammunition, such as I have, is locked away elsewhere. There are no children here, and any that visit will have had classes in firearms safety. I have hunted in the past and wouldn't mind doing it again. I also enjoy TARGET shooting, both cartridge and muzzleloader. On a range, not out in the hills blasting away. I'm far, far more Olympics than Rambo -- for one thing, I can't afford the bullets Rambo types blast the countryside with! I do NOT live in an urban area -- the town here has 50,000 people and is one of the biggest in the STATE. Idaho has 1 person for every 69 acres -- it's rural, with a vengance in some places. In fact, even this town is considered to be a "rural area." And I kinda like it this way. (And yes, I've been to London, Dublin, Paris, Cork, New York, DC, LA, 'Frisco, Chicago, St. Louis, New Orleans, Denver, Toronto, Seoul, Tokyo, Quebec, Montreal, Vancouver and other such places. In fact, I'm heading out to DC again at the end of July. But I won't take weapons.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: bobad Date: 18 Jun 05 - 07:05 PM oops that was me at 7:00 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: GUEST Date: 18 Jun 05 - 07:00 PM Rapaire Just out of curiousity,(without getting too personal) why would one need to carry a concealed weapon in a civilized country, unless one were an undercover cop or something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Peace Date: 18 Jun 05 - 04:20 PM To add to Rapaires list: Near me: Serated edge Scotch tape dispenser. Comb Stapler Wall Floor Desk--both edge and corner Floppy disk Keys |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Rapparee Date: 18 Jun 05 - 03:59 PM Bodad, I was in the Army...the Infantry. Weapons are tools. What are weapons can also be tools of sport -- fencing, archery, target shooting, skeet, tossing the camber, discus, shot put, javelin come to mind. There has been a lot of glorification of weapons and even more misrepresentation of them (e.g., shooting a car in the gas tank doesn't cause the car to blow up, although all of the gas will leak out). Weapons are, themselves, no more a solution than any other tool -- a hammer, say, or a knife. You are quite correct that other things could be used as weapons. Here's a list that are right now within reach of me: CD jewel cases various computer cables my belt my shoestrings my shoes my ballpoint pen the pressurized can of air I use to blow dust out of the computer eyeglasses cleaner a stapler zip disks keys the albuterol inhaler in my pocket a roll of nickels books magazines Note that not one of these things is usually considered a weapon -- indeed, I could bring any of them (except for the canned air) on an airplane without comment -- in the case of my belt I would certainly want to do so. Bodad, I have permit that says I can carry a concealed weapon, which is usually thought of as a pistol. I don't carry, as a rule. I have a cell phone; cops are far better armed than I could ever afford to be. But I started shooting at 12, at targets, on a range, under VERY close supervision. Comfortable with weapons? I suppose so...they're all around me -- and you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: GUEST Date: 18 Jun 05 - 03:16 AM October. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:57 PM I understand living with BROWNbears....even Grizzley and Polar.
Blacks I cannot speak-for.
Most state DFG will use "cherry-bombs" "m-80's" to discourage the bears from the immediate area .... before trapping.
Bottom line - keep ALL smellables (soap, food, drinks, cigars, deoderant, gum and candy) locked in a tight bear-resistant, sealed container.
Trapping is live - and transport to their wilderness point of oragin is swift....
Sincerely,
Consider it like illegal-immigrants - remove the tantalizing-treat - and they won't be around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: bobad Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:30 PM I get the impression that you have an interest in weapons and are quite comfortable having them around. For myself I have never owned a weapon per se, although many items can be used as weapons, and to tell the truth I've never been comfortable around them though I recognize that they do invoke a morbid curiosity in me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Rapparee Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:15 PM I wouldn't use either to defend my house. In fact, as long as you didn't harm anyone living here you could take everything. Bear in mind, however, that I have a nightstick, and I've been trained to use it correctly. No, it's not weighted. It's so much nicer than guns and knives, especially indoors. No messy bullets holes, no ugly stains on the carpet, no loud noises (except screams of pain from broken bones). Did I mention my bow and arrows? A 45 lb. pull take-down recurve; I draw a 31-inch shaft. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: bobad Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:05 PM In view of your gun and knife collection I won't be breaking into your house anytime soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Rapparee Date: 17 Jun 05 - 10:58 PM Okay. I can very easily and by taking only a very few steps put my hands on at least nine knives and one cavalry saber. The blade lengths of the knives vary from a about three to twelve inches. I have other knives around elsewhere, too (I'm not counting the ones in the kitchen). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Livin' with Black Bears Question.... From: Rapparee Date: 17 Jun 05 - 10:52 PM My brother Tony has a Puma; he's had it since the early '60s. It's his favorite knife. I have a boot knife I took off a punk wannabee at the library in Indiana once; I use that for throwing because it is, actually, pretty well balanced for that. I've got a couple of other knives, too. |
