BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf

Subject: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: The Curator
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:15 PM

Did any of you hear that bastard Geldolf on the television news last night calling on all hackers to do their best to bring ebay down all because a few of his tickets were listed on it. If anyone else had called for everyone to go on line and crash this company they would of been charged. This mouthpiece who wants world debts wrote off as his latest stunt, has called for everyone to head to Scotland and block the roads around the G8 summit, what about public disorder ? watch how he wipes his hands of the affair after someone dies. A failed singer, if you could call him that, who does not like being out of the limelight. It's sad him and that other little short ass from U2 are still looked upon as Irishmen. Both are assholes and a shame to our nation.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:25 PM

Is it just me, or does it look like Geldof hasn't slept since Live Aid?

He makes Kieth Richards look young and spry...

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: alanabit
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:30 PM

Ah, more pleasantries from the Curator...

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: *Laura*
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:46 PM

I agree - half of what comes out of Geldof's mouth would be slander if anyone else was saying it.
I appreciate all he does to help charity - but I think he's arrogant (full list of view of other Geldof thread)

xLx

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:52 PM

The man suffers from delusions of adequacy!
G..

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: The Curator
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:26 PM

As normal alanabit has little to offer.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:35 PM

He has music to offer and it's damned good.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:06 PM

Amen to all that; and, did you ever listen to Bono? going on and on and on .. till you wanted to shove yer fist through the TV screen and grabbing him by the nose, yell as loud as you could and scream into his ear ' you are a bore and giving us all a headache so shut the f*** up ya blatherin eeejit'

They make people think all Irish people go on and on and on ... which OC they don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: s6k
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:25 PM

and what exactly have you done to help starving people dying in africa lately may i ask?

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:25 PM

I posted in defense of Bob Geldof in the other thread,I' going to Gleneagles to protest myself and thought Bob stirring up awareness would be a good thing.

However, the whole event is rapidly becoming a media carnival, with all the politicians trying to get in on the act.   I think Geldof is sincere but the idea of protest as a feel good musical day out is counter productive.

For protest to have any meaning the participants must really care about the issues, and be prepared to give something of themselves in the protest.

The only protests which made the world think about global Capitalism , world poverty and environmental pollution, were Geneva and Seattle Where the protesters refused to be herded like sheep, took their lives in their hands and kicked the political establishment in the balls.
Without these riots, there would be no movement by any Western government in support of Third World aid.

Always remember when politicians start agreeing with your point of view....you're doin something wrong.
In this case they're gatecrashing the party, when they are the biggest part of the problem.....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:32 PM

It's a case of Geldof's mouth saying things without the benefit of brain. I'm sure he has good intentions at heart, but his way of going about things is too direct and anarchistic for the majority of people now. 20 years ago I would still have thought twice about doing what he asks. He should know better now than to entice people into anarchistic acts.

But if you arranged an event to raise money for the starving, and found that individuals were making money for themselves out of it, wouldn't you be angry?

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: freda underhill
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:34 PM

I admire Bob Geldorf. He's not perfect - but he's doing something great, and he hasn't given up. If politicians are being influenced by him, that's good, whatever their motives are.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:35 PM

My post "He has music to offer and it's damned good." was in response to Curator's remark to Alanabit.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:44 PM

Liz...If you think Bob is an anarchist, or promotes anarchist ideals, you should try to get out more....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: s6k
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:44 PM

by the way the original poster said the following:

"calling on all hackers to do their best to bring ebay down all because a few of his tickets were listed on it"

lets get things straight... Geldof asked eBay to remove the tickets, as it is VILE and DISGUSTING that people are profiting off these tickets, and i quite agree with him. they were selling for £1000 a piece. Great... and how much of that money will go to Africa? what a joke...

anyway, eBay REFUSED to remove the tickets saying it is a free marketplace and it is up to people what they sell.
Now, i use ebay very regularly, it is a great site, and very safe. but this comment is ridiculous. excuse me while i put a loaded shotgun, hand grenade, and my sister up for auction because its a free marketplace.

Anyone who profits off these tickets that they got for FREE is a disgrace to the human race.

Frustrated at ebays refusal, Geldof eventually asked hackers to overload the economy system by placing ridiculously huge bets on every ticket.
Someone did this, and there was a picture of all the tickets at 100 million pounds. and btw, it wasnt just "a few tickets" there was loads on there

The next day, after THOUSANDS of emails to ebay from customers wanting the tickets OFF the site, eBay finally agree to immediately take off any tickets for sale that go on the site.

And so they should

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 06:50 PM

So, why only half the story, Curator?

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 08:42 PM

I get out quite a lot thanks.. and I got out a lot in the 1980's when Bob made his original ride to fame on the back of the punk rock scene.... the epitome of anarchy.

If you don't think it's anarchistic to encourage people to bring a website down by illegal hacking methods, to encourage people to deliberately block public highways around one particular town or ask them to sail up the coast in small craft - probably uninsured, unused to coastal waters, inexperienced and unprepared - to that blockade, then maybe our interpretations of anarchy are different and we should politely back off and agree to differ.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 09:07 PM

Anarchy has nothing to do with punk rock,uninsured sailors,or creating a public nuisance.

I might be a bit less cynical if I had any hope of seeing Bob give me a helping hand over the Gleneagles barricades....I dont think so!!

In fact a spokeswoman for the "Make poverty history" campaign appeared on TV lately actively discouraging anyone from going to Gleneagles.
Apparently we've all to stay in Edinburgh and have a nice time with the politicians.
I'm sorry to tell you, but your fears for public order and the solvency of the insurance companies are completely unfounded..Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:55 AM

Think; when Geldolf opens his mouth and speaks, more good than harm is likely to result. The same cannot be said for some bigmouths in high places.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: mooman
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 11:45 AM

Well said Boab! I totally agree.

Peace

moo

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST,615
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:48 PM

If you don't like what Geldolf has to say have you considered changing the channel ? It might be better for your blood pressure.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 01:15 PM

I am Irish and yes I cannot stand Bono, he is a shit-head know all, as for Geldolf well he has his heart in the right place, and he was so right about the greedy bastards on e-bay.
Bye the way Curator, have you shares in e-bay?, you are forever defending a Site made for the greedy.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST,615
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 01:26 PM

Guest - Why do you say that E-bay was made for the greedy ? I'm not disputing that - I just want to hear your side. People have a choice to buy from E-bay or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: alanabit
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 01:43 PM

"watch how he wipes his hands of the affair after someone dies..." Yes, it would be a pity if a nice, pink caucasian died, rather than one of the thousands who will die in the poverty trap... Whatever happens before or after this event, I fear that we will hear less about them.
Bob Geldoff and Paul Hewson will always be heroes to those who like them and villains to those who don't. The phrase,"that little shortass from U2..." (charming, when you think about it) is apparently supposed to persuade us that the man's opinions carry no weight, because he is below the required stature for his views to matter. I recall there were times when similar sentiments were expressed about the views of black people, gay people, women and the handicapped.
At the end of the day, The Curator is simply venting his spleen, because he dislikes the style of Bob Geldoff - I assume regarding him as a loudmouth, who shoots from the hip. He and his compatriot may have more in common than either of them would wish to acknowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 02:08 PM

I agree Alan. IMHO there is not a lot wrong about shooting from the hip, if you hit the right target as often as Bob does.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: The Curator
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:27 PM

I'll pass on your amateur psychology session alanabit, best aimed at brucie, by the sound of it he's more in need of it. Again I state Geldolf is a mouthpiece who can't stand being out of the limelight, so you feel he makes governments change their minds,I somehow doubt it. As to debt relief for certain countries, governments and banks don't write off these debts, tax payers will get the tranfer in the fullness of time, they don't suffer loses. We all know that what money was raised in 1985 by Live Aid has just been a drop in an ocean. The problems lie with the governments of these countries, ever noticed their armed forces are up to date with the latest hardware ? maybe George Bush and Tony could sort this one out.Yes as a collector I do defend ebay. It has made the marketplace for collectors a better place, have you a problem with that ? If so I don't really give a toss.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: s6k
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 03:29 PM

VERY WELL SAID ALANABIT

and also well said BOAB

and to repeat - Geldof did NOT ask for people to "bring ebay down" he told people to get rid of the TICKETS that were on sale on there.

it just so happened that one method was entering £100,000,000 for them all to cause chaos.

not an unreasonable request, i dont think

anyway ebay have seen the light, which is good - can you believe, people are trying to get round the ban by selling pens, stationary etc with a "FREE GIFT" with them - live aid tickets. ebay are not amused. they will also be taken off now

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:39 AM

I have great admiration for Geldof! Here is a guy who has saved many lives already through his organising abilities. Here is a man who can draw attention to the plight of 'the world', particularly the third world. How can some of you knock this guy for achieving something?
How many of you either give something or do something for the third world....if everyone pulled together perhaps the world could be a fairer and much happier place for those who are not as privileged as you! I would rather be a latter day superhero to millions of Africans than the negative focus of a mudcat critic....which should Geldof be?
He did not try to bring Ebay down...just to cause a commotion where those tickets wee concerned, by overbidding for them...Yes it would have taken some sorting out...but bring the site down? NO WAY.
This whole event is getting the sort of publicity it needs in many good ways and some not so good..but hey folks....what are you doing to help?
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: mooman
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:14 AM

With your great wisdom Curator why don't you do something for world poverty instead of slating Geldof. He's in a position to influence things and does.

moo (also an Irishman and who does not believe either Geldof or Bono bring shame on their nation)

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Stu
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 06:35 AM

People like Geldof will always draw flak from those (to quote Python) "with a vested interest in the status quo".

The truth is you need to be a gobshite to get attention in todays media, and Geldof has always done a lot more harm than good. Live Aid was a pivotal point in the thinking of the population here in the UK. It's taken a few years to sink in, but ordinary people now believe they can make a difference (even if the anti-war protests were ignored by Blair - he may just have learned his lesson), hence the excitement over these concerts.

Bono et al may not be the most articulate spokespeople for the cause but at least they are listened to and have been able to bend the ear of world leaders, and that cannot be bad.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: The Curator
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 08:59 AM

My wisdom is there is enough debt in this country to be dealing with. Sort out your own backyard before you do onto others.Todays ITV lunchtime news showed film of South Africa and reported mugabes men were burning the food aid in front the villagers. Is your answer to keep sending it out in the hope the governments let some through ?These are the governments that sought their own independance.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 10:57 AM

I am surprised you take this view Curator, as your country has been the main beneficiary of British taxpayers for centuries.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:36 AM

We have had a twisted Nazi-type join this forum. And people here are slagging Geldolf because he's tryin' to help people? Keriste. Give it a rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST,JennyO
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:52 AM

No, brucie imitator, they aren't.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:59 AM

People must need someone to bash? Perhaps he drives home to some how selfishly they live their own lives? Rather than sit on his fat arse and drink fairtrade tea, Geldof puts his head above the parapet and has put more food in starving people's mouths than all his detractors.

I doubt if the EBAY fiasco bothered him much, it got his message on prime time tv again, no such thing as bad publicity they say. More power to his conscientious elbow.

Bono doesn't need the money or the glory either from being part of this. Selfless folk worry those who couldn't a toss about something unless it happens in their backyard.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:07 PM

Can the Curator explain what Mugabe's men are doing in South Africa?

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: The Curator
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:11 PM

The news report was about South Africa and how they supplied Mugabe's men with equipment. Do you understand that ? is it clear enough for you now ? British taxpayers money was spent in Ireland yes. We would have prefered if they took it and their soldiers back with them. I have never asked for or needed a british handout in my life, so your viewpoint is wasted on me.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:14 PM

"Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST,brucie - PM
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:57 AM

No Jenny, I need a lie down."


The above is not my post.

CLONES: Note well, SVP.

The below is not my post.

"Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST,brucie - PM
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:42 AM

All my posts here are beginning to sound like the outpourings of a hysterical nowadays aren't they?"

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST,Dublin up
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:22 PM

Curator, he speaks with forked tongue, his view is in direct opposition to any republican I know,his attitude towards blacks would not go down well in his local cumann.

He is coming across as a mean, mean,man, he would be described here in Ireland as being as tight as a fishes ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 07:31 PM

CLONES--neither of these are my posts.

"Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST,brucie - PM
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:57 AM

No Jenny, I need a lie down."

"Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: GUEST,brucie - PM
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:42 AM

All my posts here are beginning to sound like the outpourings of a hysterical nowadays aren't they?"



Thank you for your kind words there JennyO.

CLONES AND JOE

JUST IN CASE I AM HAVING A MEMORY MOMENT HERE, WOULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHICH URL I POSTED THOSE FROM? BY MESSAGE WOULD BE FINE. AFTER THAT I CAN TRACK THE PIECE OF SHIT. AND I WILL.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 05:33 AM

Curator's views would certainly have been more at home in Germany circa 1933 - 1945, in addition to which his manner is rude, ignorant, and aggressive.

All of which gives us a good basis on which to weigh the likely merit of his opinions.

Thanks for that, Curator.

Go live your mean, introspective, self obsessed life, while better folk, like Geldof, Bono, et al continue to try to help humanity.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 05:54 AM

Amen

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: The Curator
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 05:56 AM

Funny how assholes always refer to the 1933-45 period when they have nothing of merit to contribute. I have no affiliation to such a party and have never stated support of understanding of their beliefs.I go however give understanding to your post considering your current state of mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 11:27 AM

I'd rather be an asshole with genuine concern for his fellow man, than an opinionated nonentity who is more worried about the extra penny in the pound that might be added to his taxes.

As for the comment about Germany, I stand by that. Your contempt for the non white races shines clear in your every comment about their plight, especiaqlly as you seem not to have noticed that the real root cause is the rape of their resources by the white, civilised(?) races.

Adolf would have counted you an asset.

You don't need to be a member of any party to hold racist views.

And my state of mind is fine. You are just incapable of understanding the concept of compassion.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: The Curator
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 12:44 PM

A long winded response from someone with little going in his life. Yes everyone loves your compassion, you really are an IT KIND OF GUY, keeping up to speed with everything trendy. Do you really think throwing money at this situation helps ? Thanks be to god your not in politics or a position of power. Please remain a nobody.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: C-flat
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 01:25 PM

I think Geldorf is sincere in his beliefs and actions. His language may be too direct for many but no-one can deny his ability to cut through red-tape and get his message out.
He is almost single-handedly responsible for instilling social awareness to a generation of young people following a period in popular culture that was in total opposition to the "Peace/Love" movement that preceded it.
I'd rather have Geldorfs' in-your-face brand of activism than the total apathy displayed by many politicians and, for me, it doesn't fall into the category of anarchy which is all too often without genuine aim or reason.
Look at the millions raised in the years after Live Aid. How many of those events would ever had taken place without Geldorfs' template?

C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 03:38 PM

When did I ever post anything that advocated throwing money. My wish is for the West to stop TAKING money from people who have none, by continuing to profit from the interest on loans set up for that purpose, and not for the benefit of those people.

Geldof does believe in using money to buy what will help them, and, whwther you agree with him or not, it's better than doing nothing.

What have you done lately to help anyone but yourself?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 03:57 PM

Let me see: Geldolf is getting slagged for trying to raise money for people who need it. And--well, there IS no and. So, what's the problem?

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: The Curator
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 05:00 PM

Yes I do see your point, no you did not post anything about throwing money at this problem, I asked you the question. I am glad to see we are back to the point of issue again. Taking money from this people you feel is wrong, that's fine with me. But did these countries ask for loans in the first place , answer yes. To wrap this up, these countries are turning into desert year by year. Food parcels are not the answer, this goes on year after year. We need a long term solution. And that means looking at the people responsible for the starving and that has to be their governments. These governments need to be brought to task by more powerful world leaders and told in not too many words get your act together or we will do it for you. Throwing food and medicine at the problem is not the answer. Yes it's needed, but it needs to arrive in a stable country.Don asked here what have I done to help anyone ? Answer 28 years as a paramedic. In my spare time I work with four self help groups in the area. Maybe it's you that needs to look at yourself. I rarely talk about what I do.

Subject: RE: BS: Enough of mouthpiece Geldolf
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 05 - 05:14 PM

Countries are not going to develop if all they are developing for is to pay off debt. Governments that are not stable won't do that. They will 'get theirs' and screw their own peop[le. Happened (and happens) again and again. However, I don't see this as something that should be done by a 'country'--USA et.al., but maybe as something for the UN to tackle.

I hear on radio about two decades ago that a person buying a $45,000 house amortized over 20 years with interest at 10% could expect to pay $155,000 by the time the place was paid off. How can these 'third-world' countries expect to get out of debt with compound interest and no developed resources? And when companies like Halliburton go in they tend to take most of the money OUT of the country. Helluva problem and solutions will be difficult. But, I don't think paying off the debt is gonna happen. If the cash ain't there the cash ain't there.

BM