CAMERA Folk

Subject: CAMERA Folk
From: ET
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:07 PM

Today CAMERA are celebrating the increase in drinking real ale at the expense of bland larger. So far so good. But CAMERA also are celebrating, after decades, shaking off an image of fishermens knit jumpers, beards and folk music - Radio 4 am.

I rather like the image of jumpers, beards and folk music - don't you?

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: number 6
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:17 PM

HuH ????

I thought this thread was going to be about photography.

sIx

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: My guru always said
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:19 PM

Sorry, I thought that the real ale buffs were CAMRA, at least that's what it looks like on my membership card.....

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:33 PM

CAMRA

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:57 PM

I was expecting a photography thread too.

My experience of CAMRA was always of a bunch of nerds who would go on about a wonderful pint of "Old Dogfart" despite the fact that it had been kept for so long, and so badly, that it was onyl fit for putting on chips.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: sapper82
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 05:04 PM

Guest has obviously never tasted a decent pint.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 05:05 PM

'twas indeed on the evening news celebrating the opening of 88 new small regional breweries.
Don't know which festivals you've been to Guest but the wonderful choice of 38 beers at Off the Tracks were kept well and sadly didn't have the chance to be kept for any longer than Saturday night.
The bar at Festival at the Edge is staffed by CAMRA volunteers all weekend - a great bunch of men........and women!
p.s. I think you mean Dogs Bollocks

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 05:15 PM

4:57 Guest...you can hang that hat somewhere else.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 06:19 PM

There was a great moment at the Beer Festival which was part of Wallingford Bunkfest last year - the man next to me looked up at the enormous array of different casks behind the bar in the tent, and asked the lady serving "What do you recommend?" "Dunno, they all taste the same to me" she said...

They don't of course, but I think people can get too reverential about the mystique of food and drink. Beer is for drinking, not for going into rhapsodies about. (And it's largely thanks to CAMRA that there's still plenty worth tat is drinking.)

As for "an image of fishermens knit jumpers, beards and folk music" that describes the people I like to be round when I'm drinking. Well, the men anyway. Though maybe it's more likely to be weskits rather than jumpers. And a plague on people who go on about "image" and yuppie talk like that.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: My guru always said
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 06:29 PM

Think I prefer my Dad's old pewter Pot though, glasses are too easy to lose at beer fests!

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 07:52 PM

GUEST has tasted lots of decent pints which doesn't change my experience of CAMRA as being a bunch of piss heads who would think meths wonderful as long as it came from a hand pump.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 08:53 PM

Wrong. Very wrong. If you feel like that just drink Budweiser. Fresh out of the Clydesdale.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 08:53 PM

GUEST Would not have had decent pints but for CAMRA. As a founder member over Thirty years ago, all ale would have been aerosol Keg and no handpumps to be seen. European Lager was 5.2%, 3.5% In the UK. under fhe same brand name at a more expencive price,what a con! It still goes on though ,Ruddles County 5.2% now 4.2% a sickly sweet weak brew after a takeover to enable crap beer to be sold under a good name and there are many others,most to be found in Punch Tavern pubs and other similar marketing chains. Find a pub with one good brewery selling one good brand or drink Cider,not bulmers though.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 02:02 AM

A bunch of piss-heads couldn't have become the most successful consumer organisation in the UK, could they? Capable of organising a week long event in one of the larger conference centres in London with breweries queuing up to hire stands? Capable of polling thousands of consumers to produce a top-selling handbook of the best places to drink beer? Capable of persuading a foreign government not to sell off all their breweries?   

As for style, there are plenty of youngsters in CAMRA and plenty of suited yuppy types. As with folk music the aran-sweatered types are only a visible minority made more visible by cliched and lazy journalism.

You may well have had a few decent pints, Guest, but you'd have had far fewer without CAMRA to ensure that they were available.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Crystal
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 03:52 AM

I heard the bit on Radio4 too. It had me go from half asleep into full rage mode in 0.5s. Usually only the sound of John Prescott can do that!

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Stu
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 04:01 AM

Perhaps GUEST is frequenting the wrong sort of pubs. A decent real ale pub will have a lnadlord who understands how to keep his beer, which ones need an extra week in the cellar before going on and so on.

I still think a decent pint of real ale is proably the best alcoholic beverage in the world.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 04:11 AM

John Prescott for King

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: GUEST,clogger
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:06 AM

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Gurney
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:11 AM

Yeah, Clogger, it does that to me, too.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: GUEST,clogger
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:18 AM

Maybe guest has been to some of our folk festivals (burntwood.. etc), where the "beer" is so bad because the organisers don't view good beer as essential to a good fest.CAMRA have shown a lack of ability to come up with anything constructive about this on several occasions that I am personaly aware of! If you want good Beer/Folk go to fylde, the marie hall has won several CAMRA awards (deservidly)and the music is PDG too!
I do reserve the right to wear my arran jumper and my beard during the tent flying contest!!!

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 08:50 AM

Nonsense! After a bad festival at the London Arena where the conditions were so hot that the beer wasn't keeping very well ( to say the least!), CAMRA went away and invented a cooling system that could be installed on individual racked casks. This system is use at the GBBF and many other festivals each year and is used in many pubs.

If the beer is bad at festivals now it isn't the fault of CAMRA but the festival organisers.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: tarheel
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 11:27 AM

the thread name was CAMERA..as in photography...not CAMRA
duh................................

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 11:43 AM

Smile please

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 01:28 PM

Here's the list from Miskin @ Easter 2005, And not a poor drink all week-end


Subject: RE: Miskin at Easter 2005
From: Miskin Man - PM
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 10:50 AM

Hows this for a tentative list

Youngs Bitter,
Woodfordes Wherry
Charles Wells Bombadier
Highgate Foxes Nob,
Young's Special,
Brains Reverend James,
Batemans XXXB

Thatchers medium Cider   
Plus all the normal pub tipples of course

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: My guru always said
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 02:18 PM

Ah, the Reverend James *sigh*

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Cloger
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 03:56 PM

1st....the thread mentions BEER not Photo's
2nd....There are some dam good folk festivals where there is good beer. Unfortunately there are still some festivals where the beer is cr**. For the life of me I don't understand this, as a group the average folkie is a publicans dream come true, loads of beer drunk and no hastle....we can even be trained to bring our glasses back.
Where the beer is bad I can only think of two reasons
   A   The bar does not know what (s)he is doing
   B   The bar does not care and views us as a captive audience who will drink poorly racked/conditioned,and upto (past) the "sell by" date beer at whatever       they think they can charge for it
CAMRA like any organisation has good and bad members in it and my previous comments (guest clogger) may very well only reflect the latter.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: MuddleC
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:01 PM

More power to thine elbow, let's fathom the bowl.....

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:12 PM

If you feel like that just drink Budweiser. Fresh out of the Clydesdale.

Ah but that's the American stuff they sell under that name, and which is marketed in other countries, probably as an undercover dirty trick by people who want to make the USA a laughing stock.

Try the real Budweiser Budvar from the Czech Republic, which is definitely worth drinking.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:51 PM

Having returned from my local Fullers Pub that serves the perfect pint. They even vent air from the cellar to the hand pumps so you have condesation on them in humid weather. served at 11 degrees Celcius as it should be. I do resent some that serve Real Ale without any thought about cooling. Warm beer that turns to vinegar , GUEST had a point. Towels and a watering can is all that is needed to look after a firkin.

Subject: RE: CAMERA Folk
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 01:48 PM

I guess gest wishes he hadn't bothered.

Wine women and song? How about real ale, good company and some old songs and tunes?

The Beech in Chorlton has Timothy Taylor Landlord, Abbot, and many other delights together with amazing Irish music every Monday. The Marble Beer House has Marble Manchester Bitter, Ginger, Lagonda and many guests with the odd tune or song from time to time. Chorlton Folk Club has Hyde's Bitter at £1.30 at South West Manchester Cricket Club evry Thursday.

We owe much to Camra and to people who sing and play tunes.